Old School Flip Lines | Ep. 60

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[@harrywatsonpaddle]

Hi Zach, great series - really enjoying all of the episodes so far. I’m a paddler (kayak and raft from the UK, now living in Canada), it’s really interesting to see some of the differences in safety attitudes between the two continents - especially when it comes to the clean line principal. The vast majority of paddlers I know in the UK will carry a length of webbing, tied with a water knot. However, they would be very unlikely to carry it in the manor you describe (wrapped around the waist). The reason being - why would you wrap something around your body, which could snag on something, but would not break until under more than a ton of pressure? For myself, carrying the rolled up webbing/biner combo in my PFD pocket is the number one choice. I would also consider doing what you have described with the waist wrap, only if it’s covered up by a drysuit/top tunnel. The downside for the PFD carry is the extra pocket bulk, but I don’t think it’s really too bad. Webbing is a super - versatile tool, including for lowering boats and a mini-close distance throwbag. I also used it successfully once on a really sketchy hike out of a steep canyon as an improvised climbing harness. For the sewn loop options, take a loop at the ‘snake sling’ by Palm Equipment and the ‘king python’ by Whetman equipment (both UK companies). I think they are making products that might fit your description. Cheers & looking forward to future episodes.

[@GearGarageTV]

Thanks for the great comment! Yes I think storing it in a PFD pocket is a really good idea. We don't talk about the clean line principle here in the U.S. but it's time I learned more about it.

[@davidroberts5577]

All I've ever used on my cat is the NRS bag flip lines. Never had an issue finding them when the cat was wrong side up. On our rafts we would always pre- rig flip lines. That said: I find your videos on flip lines very informative and interesting. I can see eliminating places the boats or people become tangled up in. Thanks for all you share Zach🕉️

[@GearGarageTV]

A normal flip line can be used for a other things like an anchor. I've never been a fan of those NRS lines.

[@richardservatius5405]

ever use a sail anchor to pull a raft down river when strong winds want to blow you up river? your flip line could be used to hold the flexible bucket to the raft. snake river is excellent example.

[@GearGarageTV]

Nope

[@jeffa3332]

Hey Zach. I've been working my way through your Gear Garage video's and appreciate the thoughtful discussion that you're bringing to all things whitewater. I've used a Salamander Golden Retriever waist belt for many years, for both kayaking and rafting. It fits snug to your body and doesn't have any loose lines dangling out of it. It also has a quick-release belt, so I've never felt threatened that I would become trapped or entangled by the rope or waist belt. It also has a short 8 foot section of line (with locking carabiner) stowed on one end that you can quickly deploy as a flip line or tow tether, should you need it. It's the best all-in-one solution that I've found for having both a throw rope and flip line on hand at all times. I also carry a couple of webbing anchor slings like yours, but keep them stowed in my dry bag in case they are ever needed. Cheers!

[@GearGarageTV]

Thanks for the info. Salamander makes great stuff so I'll definitely check it out.

[@brucecooley4170]

Another great video, that thin line might be nice in a PFD pocket, not everybody wants the waist belt. Or as a backup device

[@brucecooley4170]

Also I know you are not a fan of flip line bags tied on the boat, but a lot of private guys seem to have them.

[@MrTrevorfrommass]

Daisy chain it super tight and pull the tail through opposite at end. Then you can have it either in a pocket or hang it exterior. I prefer to have all gear necessary for a two to one system on myself . Flip line 4 locking Carabiners 2prusik loops. Pulleys are optional but recommended a throw line on your person is highly recommended although the rope diameter and prusik diameter is hard to match between personnel throw lines and rescue line diameters.kayakers more often than not should have a personal trough line. just remember how hazardous rope can be in water.

[@grahambates3931]

should i get the 44'' or 10 foot blue water rope?

[@scottgunter392]

Thanks for all the useful info, I have watched almost all your videos and have found them to be super informative. You didn't mention the flip lines made by NRS (that come in the orange bags) any comment on those for multi-day trips? If you ever take requests for videos I would love to see how you rig your rafts for multiday trips. There seem to be countless ways but it would be helpful to see how the pros do it. Specifically weight distribution, frames, seat configuration. Cheers

[@GearGarageTV]

Thank you for the nice note - I'm glad you like the videos. I really, really don't like the orange NRS "flip lines." I do like requests but a video about rigging a gear boat requires a gear boat so it make take a few months.

[@brettjohnson3197]

can you explain why you do not like the nrs bagged flip lines? I can assume but would be good to hear from your experience. thanks @@GearGarageTV

[@GearGarageTV]

@@brettjohnson3197 There are three main reasons (1) The could possibly tangle on something like a branch (2) Pulling on a straight rope is harder than a loop of rope or webbing like most flip lines and (3) They are hard to find and untie when the boat is upside down. A modern flip line is better for flipping boats back over and can also be used for anchors and other uses.

[@jaredlinkhart6528]

Flip lines are only a part of it. Any information to provide for flipping rafts outfitted for multi day adventures? We all practice on empty boats...

[@GearGarageTV]

Yep I'll work on a video about flipping gear boats but it may take me a while to get the video I need. Thanks for the suggestion!

[@superguidegear3085]

Happy New Year! First off I think your flip line there is 1" not 1/2" with a MBS of 4000lbs. That 1\2“ dyneema runner from Bluewater has a MBS of 3500lbs. So half the size and nearly 90% of the strength. Also I think you'll find guides who wear throwlines on there belt do not wear flip lines around there waist. Too much stuff. I remember showing up in Oz and having a throwline, flip line, and CPR Kit around the waist... Way to much for someone who swims as poorly as me.

[@GearGarageTV]

Yes you're right that it's 1" webbing. Thanks for the info. I'm playing around with the sling and going to do a follow up video.

[@axcoolxname]

Personally I don’t like having my line wrapped around my waist just incase it does get caught on something. I do have several friends that added a Slipknot to there lines so if it does get caught it will open up 2-3 feet more so you can escape

[@tedjohnson401]

You probably have heard this, but if you haven't, we are trying to get away from shortening carabiner to 'biner. The reason is that we have more Hispanics as customers these days, and "Beaner" is a derogatory term. I thought it was a bit "politically correct" when I was told, but the next day I had a sweat Mother, Daughter trip from Mexico City. I would have felt awful offending them. Keep up the great videos.

[@andrewr8042]

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