Old School Methods Vs. New Fangled Gadgetry | The MeatEater Podcast Ep. 551

Steven Rinella talks with Ryan Callaghan, Clay Newcomb, Randall Williams, and Phil Taylor.
Topics discussed: Experiences had in and around The Wilma Theater; morels in moose tracks; “Ole Slew Foot” performed by Clay and Phil the Quiet Man of Talent on the harmonica; banning sonar in WI?; drones and hunting; traditional use vs. technological advancement; what would the long hunters say?; poison arrows; genuine snake oil rendered off a Burmese python; habitat selection methods applied to hunters wearing GPS; and more.
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[@TurkeyN3ckkk]

That boy Phil!! He’s like a superstar athlete pay that man whatever he’s asking

[@marybabeyko7812]

This is the greatest podcast in general to have ever been recorded. Putting it on KZbin has been the best idea since rifling in barrels boys!

[@robertmiller8529]

Heyo hi

[@TheRealTimKennedy]

Oh you mean the secret lib leaning, toe dipping politics in other states natural resources when it’s convenient podcast?

[@mosdeclassified1462]

Y’all are my favorite to listen to while I’m at work doing restoration bodywork! Godspeed from Bismarck! Come hunt and fish in Nodak! I’ll take you out pheasant hunting.

[@ECregsOutdoors]

Phil is THE MAN!!!

[@daviddicker1316]

Phil freaking killed it with the harmonica!!!

[@sb.6606]

Did anyone catch the “no more auto tune” comment to which clay replied “gotta tune it by ear”. Hilarious!

[@codyj7532]

I caught that as well

[@bryp88]

"A fresh set of eyes will always find more 79 Chevy keys"

[@mikebarker6628]

That ending song is so ridiculous funny 😂

[@curtisnelson8676]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/fGmqn4OidpKad8kfeature=shared

[@sampankratz8621]

Awesome stuff. Great rendition of Ol’ Slew-foot. Love that tune so much I named my UP hunting camp “Camp Slew-foot” after my first trail cam pick was of a big boar sniffing around camp. Check out Billy Strings for a ripping version, Billy would make a helluva podcast guest too…also a Michigan boy and a bass angler.

[@ExpeditionAngler]

Haven’t gotten but about 15 minutes into the podcast but now you got me excited ol slew foot is one of my favorites!

[@Luke-mp3lj]

In my opinion, as for the use of tech while hunting, drones give the hunter an “unfair advantage”. They can find and follow and animal. You could even chase or “push” an animal. With a lazar range finder or red dot you do get an advantage but only to confirm your shot. You still have to get to the animal and have a shot bf the advantage of tech comes into play, this allows you to make a more ethical shot and wound less animals. Cell cameras are right at the edge of what I would consider “ok”. At least you have to go out and set it up, and it’s not exactly live.

[@rogerfuglsang2088]

This conversation could go even further. Where do you stand on crossbows? I think all this technology makes it easier to keep harvest ethical, quick kills and less waste. The people that hunt and fish by the rules will always follow the rules. The people that brake the rules will always do it no matter the technology they have to help them. If the penalties get harsh enough to truly scare people they will stop poaching animals.

[@flatsquatch]

Podcast room looks like a fancy men's apparel showroom... Montana must be getting hoity-toity? Does first light sell Rolex?

[@Dandymansam]

I don’t think Clay’s question about whether a live scope for fishing is analogous to a drone for hunting is too much of a stretch. I say ban them, looking at a screen the whole time shouldn’t be what fishing is about.

[@ggray19]

Reference to a "bunch of girls with scabs on their knees and elbows" went a different direction than I instantly expected... likely more my issue than the story teller's.

[@shoothuntride9456]

Yeah I was bracing for more of a punch line like "You know why New Mexico girls wear underwear? To keep their ankles warm."

[@danorris5235]

When I was growing up our area had a massive meth issue. It's still around, but nowhere near as commonplace as it was. Whenever I hear the word, "scab," that's the first place my mind goes to regardless of context.

[@DanteMendez3541]

Best outro song yet

[@jasontraska2616]

Sooooo...why aren't Clay and Phil doing the new outro for the podcast...?????

[@joec3247]

20:50 Clay on the guitar, and Phil on the harmonica! Dope 👏🏽✊🏽💪🏽🙌🏽🙏🏽

[@frankjerardenno2678]

Mr.newcom better stick to taters and onions🤣👏🏽

[@TristanSAlexander]

Phil is a true Renaissance man

[@zacportelli4658]

This is peak podcasting.

[@RaittMcleod]

I really want to hear Clays version of Sam by Sturgill Simpson.

[@joshbenda5659]

As someone who lives 20 minutes from Missoula and grew up 40 minutes from it it’s fun to hear Steve’s and Cal’s experiences. Though I’m a lot younger, I too have my fair amount of stories of Missoula. Town is/has changed a lot but still hold a special place in heart.

[@BikeThrottleOfficial]

We need to hear Callaghan’s dirty playground stories! 🍿

[@redwade7803]

Where can I get the closing song?

[@ZGADOW]

Excellent song at the end

[@curtisnelson8676]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/fGmqn4OidpKad8kfeature=shared

[@RoddKittilson]

A True Hunter and Fisherman reads the terrain, weather, habit,signand food habits. Through trial and error and lure You become more aware of All things meaningful to hone your skills. You are Not even close to being considered a "Hunter" or "Fisherman" using half of the technology out there now inmy opinion! Not even a Guided Hunt constitutes You being worthy. I would call You a "F-g"!

[@woodsmn8047]

back when I was hunting there were strict laws against crossbows and even more so silencers which we now call suppressors but now lots of hunters routinely use them so just because we quickly ban new tech don't mean it will remain banned in the future

[@claytonholland5608]

Steve is wrong about Steve Earle's best song. Its Ben McCulloch.

[@drewandcharlie7583]

Bros.. really good discussion. Really good. Almost like a bunch of hillbillies know what they are talking about. Almost they they need folks like yourselves making policy instead of a bunch of single mom pick-me liberals outlawing salmon fishing in california. I feel the pendulum swinging. People are sussing out the stupid. Props boys. Great podcast

[@TVaughn80]

I love the closing credits song!!

[@danorris5235]

Sorry. I don't think ridiculous equipment should be utilized to further damage the fisheries around me. Yes, some would use it responsiblely, but unfortunately in my personal experience they're a small minority. We've dealt with this level of tech before (at least in WI) and decided you're not allowed to abuse it to gain an edge on hunting and fishing. You do not get to use your drone to drive deer. You do not get to use electronics to locate or call target species. You do not get to use engineered nets of hooks to troll with. We don't even allow baiting for several species because of a blatantly unfair advantage it creates. This is a classic case of rich people with no/low skill in a given sport wanting to purchase something that circumvents the lifetime of experience and built skill us "poors" have honed to be considered good at it and the rich will cry if they don't get their way. Just learn to fish like an actual angler and participate in the sport as intended or leave your tackle in the truck. And now people somehow think live imaging sonar should be legit on WI waters? I'd say there's a screw loose, but the reality is they need to visit the hardware store because several clearly fell out. Mean? Sure. Untrue? Nope.

[@Robertlee530]

Also it will add further monetization of hunting . With limited tags in the west and disappearing accessibility to public ground . Some technology and techniques need to be approached with kid gloves !

[@ski4life9]

Can we get the tablature for clays music!? Would love to play this bad boy at hear camp

[@joekraemer8697]

As another fisher from Wisconsin I agree. Want to select a fish like that go to the grocery store

[@evanbisson4048]

The irony is she chucked your keys into the cornfield because you wouldn't quit talking about your old girlfriend 😂

[@jeffharper9292]

What is the artist and title of the outro song? That is the funniest turkey song I've heard! Love pretty much everything the Meateater gang does!

[@Robertlee530]

Not all states promote the killing of does . Virgina still has antiquated views on such practices!

[@steveg7066]

Is the turkey rap song at the end real, and if so- where can I find it? What's it called... I need to know more

[@cynic6964]

Howdy Steve, what is the matter with that wrist? Better get that wrist working before archery season. I hope it gets better soon.

[@jedibowen]

Correction for Cal. The atom bomb was dropped 4 years after Pearl Harbor.

[@codyj7532]

Live scope isn’t as big of a jump as the hunting cartridge was.

[@brianparmenter3583]

Live scope today is just luke fish finders were back in the day.

[@reesefish1532]

Spencer bringing the rollback to meat eater was the best

[@paulhangle6523]

Eventually only the rich will be allowed to hunt and fish. Sad.

[@billybob8228]

If Wisconsin allows live targeting most folks "in the know," are suggesting the state will lower bag limits. As a Wisconsin trophy Fisher who practices primarily catch and release, I'm okay with it. My 80-year-old uncle who likes to keep and eat everything would be against it.

[@danorris5235]

I'm definitely in the same camp as your uncle. I fish to eat them, and don't hate catch and release anglers. What does drive me a little nuts is some (nowhere near half, even) are definitely playing fish to exhaustion, have them sucking air for three minutes, opted not to harvest the fully legal fish because they are never going to eat a fish, and then slam it into the water and make the claim it'll live because it limped away. I've watched that happen at least once every season since I was twelve. With livescope that's an increasing problem and the bad anglers can do more damage than they already are killing both trophy fish before their time and potential harvest for those who want to consume the resource.

[@Hanover_outdoorsman]

Oh I love the ending music . Remixed yelping ! Love it !

[@mericaallah2615]

One of my favorites so far man I wanna go back to Missoula

[@Verlisify]

The song was wonderful

[@hamblin113]

Coursing is using dogs on hunting, was amazed no one there knew that.

[@AndrewWork-h4z]

Just wait until we're using jetpacks to get up into the mountains

[@DanGross9]

New Mexico has a program through which legally harvested wild game can be donated.

[@Eric-dr5bj]

As does Colorado. Probably to try and prevent waste of less desirable species or cuts

[@MrTheBurkes]

What's the name of the song at the end?!

[@Stockettguns]

It was crazy to listen to Steve's and Ryan's reminiscing about Missoula! I graduated from the school of forestry at U of M in 2000. Must have spent half my time in the computer lab in the basement of the journalism school! Listening to this was a great walk down memory lane. I graduated high school in 92 but served a mission in Italy and spent a few years working construction, hunting, fishing, and backpacking before I decided it was time to go back to school. Thank for laughs!

[@jakewarren704]

Just here for the outro song

[@TrumpTheImmortal]

Always been a running joke why couldn’t my dad have been a golfer. Instead of an outdoorsman. I honestly tried to get my kids into golf when they were younger. But they wanted to join archery. Even my daughter loves it.

[@jityogfitre8d591]

What a great podcast, I loved the entire podcast, really enjoyed the technology discussion, how will it effect hunting and fishing, good or bad, helpful, or do we keep it old school, some things to think about

[@MrRyanmcmahon]

Old Slough (slew) foot, is badass

[@paulhangle6523]

Clay is right.

[@mikebarker6628]

One of the issues of the line of thinking that “we can wait until it comes to the point of an emergency.” Is that is exactly what the people who want it NOW have a motive to push towards so they can get what they want. There’s countless examples of this in the political sphere. Think about Afghanistan turning into Iraq, and the Patriot act, both being ideas that were definitely floated before 9/11 that caused uproar. That road through Alaska could follow the same lines.

[@LadyCoffinnail]

I'm from Pablo, Montana and it's crazy how much things changed over the years but God do I love the mountains and animals

[@griz800]

Random thought. Maybe you hit on the lynchpin to the problem when you brought up reverence. If you want resolution to the pro v anti hunting question appeal to each sides shared reverence. That's where good faith conversation lives. If you want to balance sustainable hunting, resource management, and the market, appeal to and reward those who come from a position of reverence. Reward those who trend toward increasingly primitive methods and disincentivize trends toward making it easier. The industry won't like it, because they are solely dependent on those who trend away from the primitive. It's a problem for anything deserving of reverence when an industry is rewarded for ignoring those who feel it. Traditional and primitive hunters are the most reverent of hunters, and both major magazines supporting the practice seem to have disappeared from my local supermarket shelves in the past few years

[@jescowan26]

couch shame😂

[@SouthDetroitFishing]

Here's one to fan the flames.... Why shouldn't there be a formal market for invasive species?

[@flow7791]

19:05 Clay & Phil killed it!

[@billybob8228]

As a Wisconsin hunter I'd rather see more trophy bucks walking through the woods then dead deer on the side of i-39. This morning from Wausau to Madison 143 miles, dead deer every mile and sometimes two or three together.

[@travisl5650]

I think those states could easily clean out big doe populations if they invest in their youth and make hunting cool agian, it’s truly a lost tradition

[@dougsmith6175]

My wife and I got engaged on the afternoon of the OJ Bronco chase and her Mom was totally distracted and relatively uninterested in our news because she was so enthralled with watching the chase on TV. It's funny how that event has almost become a "remember where you were when" moment in history.

[@jordangryg5442]

Steve i need some advice . I live in Ontario, i have been fishing all my life some hunting with my father . Now i had a son hes now seven . I have caught 2 fish in the last three years . This last weekend my son didnt want to go fishing because we dont catch anything ( shore fishing ) i cant get him off of the screen . Im scared im ruining fishing for my boy . We tried worms minnows lures . Please help steve what am i doing wrong !?

[@Rando-h9d]

I would like to see Steve and Cal do a traditional Hunt and a Tecno Hunt in the same place. To see how much difference there would be.

[@alexadams9437]

Fishing with live scope is the same as archery hunting white tails with thermal drones.

[@sarahult5090]

Spencer and Steve coursing is a English hunting term referring to hare hunting with hounds.😊

[@Ronnie-NE-Fishin]

Early in the podcast I gotta tell Phil I was totally getting distracted by the swaying camera man and legit laughed out loud when you cut to another camera like oh shit thanks Phil I don’t wanna miss this and have to rewind 😂✌🏻

[@ryanbailey6600]

Howard Crockett (aka Howard Hausey) and Jay Lee Webb wrote that song in 1960.

[@TrumpTheImmortal]

Great podcast idea. I think Steve should have his brother on this year. I think they need to air out their dirty laundry.

[@koreywilliams4570]

Using drones for hunting. Scout the land without ever stepping foot in it.

[@pondwalden8291]

The biggest game changer to any outdoor activity is having a wife that lets you go whenever you want

[@johnferrera8804]

The end song is the best part, pretty funny! Well done!

[@brettprice5600]

Johnny Horton's Honky Tonk Man contains the most famous version of Ole Slew Foot.

[@terrybennetts7898]

Another great show. Issues that have to be delt with. Love the song at the end. Who is that?

[@natehorton7531]

Fwiw a native Californian and I'd love to hunt doe

[@robertirving7764]

Bozemaan changed a lot since I lived there 20 years ago!! I lived in Gallatin and loved it. Now that whole area is so different. Mind blowing to go into Bozeman this year.

[@robertirving7764]

I worked at a place called Gourmet gas station. I learned allot about cooking different animal there. That was my first introduction to cooking wild game.

[@brandonkending7920]

Love the outro song on this one! Pretty clever! 😂

[@Soondite71]

That old elevator likely only had one direction leveling. So he may have had to over shoot the floor because it only had down leveling.

[@MrThatnativeguy]

Are you scootn ootn?

[@johndeereboy820]

What is the closing track to the podcast?

[@megtim]

I don’t know why it doesn’t say in the KZbin description but if you look in the description on Apple Podcasts it always says…this one is Bo$$ Tom by Jesse Collins

[@dougriddles1703]

Boss Tom by Fallen Rock

[@shoothuntride9456]

Nice job Clay and Phil!

[@NotbuyingIt-zm2ti]

Phil didn’t just play the harmonica and the “foot tambourine”, he also took the high notes in the chorus. Nice job, Phil!

[@patrickreardon8414]

Ni

[@glenj.loftus8697]

Rest your neck Clay... jeez

[@marybabeyko7812]

First!!

[@tomt810]

You can hunt in way less expensive clothes, just sayin