Old School Space Marines vs Orks, Warhammer 40k battle report

[@WoffbootPootle]

Thank you Winters, always a pleasure playing you! Those interested can find more by looking up Woffboot (or my name here) in the usual places

[@wintersSEO]

Fantastic opponent. Fantastic army. Always a pleasure to have you on the channel, my friend.

[@Damnedlegion40k]

This video brings back memories of my first bat reps I watched at the end of 8th edition and began my journey into 40k, thanks mate

[@WoffbootPootle]

@@Damnedlegion40kthanks, I got back into 40k midway through 8th watching Winters on KZbin; so feels good to play him on the hallowed turf!

[@Koh-Learn]

Oh my Buddha... I remember the homemade Whirlwind and DIY Baneblade.... memories of my teens in the 1990's flooding back... oh, and I've found a load of random metal and old skool plastic kits.... a veritable treasure trove to go through, assemble and paint (eventually)...

[@WoffbootPootle]

Yes! So glad that there are so many of us who remember all that stuff

[@lancourt]

Those aren't oldmarines! Those are future dreadnoughts!

[@WoffbootPootle]

💪

[@ge9367]

😂

[@darnokx9277]

Those models, just lovely! I do not even care how the battle goes, watching these is enough to make my day already. Thank you so much for this one!

[@WoffbootPootle]

Thank you so much (and I’m glad you don’t care about the game as it wasn’t as close as I’d hoped it would be…I’ll just have to go back sometime

[@efzmonkey]

Such an amazing looking army, full of character and such a lovely paint job.

[@WoffbootPootle]

Thank you sir!

[@jimmicuss2667]

Now THIS is how you play 40k! Passion and nostalgia!

[@WoffbootPootle]

Yes, only shame was I was hoping for a much closer game :-( …I’ll just have to come back sometime!

[@jimmicuss2667]

@@WoffbootPootle sometimes the dice gods send their decree on who will win and nothing will stop it. Certainly hope you return!

[@WoffbootPootle]

I’m booked in for my next game already (and two previous games are on Winters’ channel already)

[@sturm9087]

Ever thought about playing not just old school models but an old school battlereport. Like your favorite possible edition in a old school game, I know I would watch it

[@brapscallion]

Such a lovely looking old Ultramarines army. And I love watching Pootle on the channel. I'm not a competitive player, but I love watching how much pleasure he gets out of tactics and playing a good game. Great batrep.

[@WoffbootPootle]

Aw, fanks Braps! I wish you hadn’t baked those dice so well: there were periods when it seemed they didn’t have any sides with 1s, 2s or 3s

[@rquer7913]

I haven't watched a battrep since the 9th release... But this one is a must to watch. As a Marine player, it stills hurts so much to see how Space Marines have been phased out in the game and the lore. Thank you Winters!

[@WoffbootPootle]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@ge9367]

I feel your pain brother.

[@RobJonesWrites]

That turn one shooting from the OG Marines bloody lovely. Takes me right back to 2nd and 3rd ed. Let's see how the orks respond!

[@WoffbootPootle]

Nothing like looking around desperately for just…one…more…gun… and then finding it!

[@wrathofconstantine9720]

WoofbootPootle beautiful army Sir. Great batrep. Cheers guys

[@WoffbootPootle]

Thanks man: high praise from you!

[@WoffBoot]

Fantastic nostalgiahammer! This is going to be a good one.

[@WoffbootPootle]

Looks a bit like I’m commenting on my own batrep, but I think most know that it’s Stylus in there; thanks sir

[@jameshogg6878]

That restored my faith in the Emperor’s finest, that did. Scouts for the win!

[@WoffbootPootle]

And I even refused a flank in your honour

[@adie_h_333_painting]

I don't watch 40k bat reps anymore but this one warmed my cockles. Still have my RT era Crimson Fists. Not as beautifully painted as these Ultras tho! Loved the old aesthetic so much more personally.

[@WoffbootPootle]

Thanks: my cockles are warmed by all the love towards the old boys

[@Lamthesavender]

amazing game, that dude knows his onions! and how to kill mushrooms XD

[@WoffbootPootle]

Thank you, it all clicked very well. Braps’ dice were rolling very hot for me in turn 1 in particular

[@PhilDocIan]

As a marine player who started at the end of 2nd (collected a lot of my army in 3rd and 4th edition) and has zero primaris marines, I have no issues with the legends options. At least they still feel like they are part of the current game, even if separated into the "casual play only" category. I expect in the next edition most of my army will lose that "legends status" support and I will essentially have to proxy all of my oldhammer marines as some sorr of primaris marine instead. When that happens, I'll make the move with them to the most current rules. In the interim, I'll just be the old man at the game table with my old models saying things like "back in my day..."

[@WoffbootPootle]

Play it your way!

[@ge9367]

Proxy away. We all know who the real proxy marines are! 😂

[@FortuneFaded2006]

Oh boy thats a calssic looking Marine force

[@WoffbootPootle]

Thank you, it’s been so much fun putting it together

[@hallowedknight7288]

As someone who first started collecting Warhammer during the start of 10th edition it's really cool to see the old school retro minis. Makes me want to get some and have them stand next to my primaris black templars to see the differences.

[@WoffbootPootle]

I put a pic on the well known pic-sharing place of the new Termie Cap next to the fella in this batrep: the scale difference is incredible

[@SilentSooYun]

I first got involved with 40k through Space Hulk, so my collection of lead and pewter Terminators is... substantial? I've gone ahead and re-based them with the larger bases and some bits of cork board to bring them at least up to eye-level with modern Termies, they're so wee! They were also early candidates for magnet conversion, also, since the various armament configurations are why I have so many to begin with :) The thing I miss most from Oldhammer are the banners. I loved the quirky pageantry of grimdark Sci-Fi warriors with colourful banners flying above the various units to identify them; it was something uniquely Warhammer

[@WoffbootPootle]

My Orks have got plenty of banners (see the Winters game back in October) but that’s why I decided to do the Medic with a banner: love the craziness of them

[@B__C__]

SilentSooYun: 'I first got involved with 40k through Space Hulk, so my collection of lead and pewter Terminators is... substantial?' If only by weight alone.

[@joshuabrowncrow]

Always funny, narrative, educational, and calming to watch and listen to your show. Painting some pewter orks right now, it’s good to see you guys playing old school because it took us all a lot of years to collect.

[@vincentcowden8104]

I am so glad to have seen a video featuring a pure firstborn marines list (hopefully more in the future) that still holds up great without the need for newer primaris units. I've got a large collection of firstborn marines that I am currently re-basing to proper sizes and watching this has made me more relieved and confident going forward into 10th edition and glad I never sold off all of it just for what is the current thing, glorious and cheers to you!

[@WoffbootPootle]

Good for you! I’ve never bothered rebasing mine

[@obscurage]

This was an entertaining battle report! And the terrain was gorgeous! You asked a question about Legends armies in the end: I have basically two Dark Angels armies on the works - a purely Legends army and a Primaris army. I also have some lore-brewing considering those if I ever get them to operate simultaneously. Plenty of hobby time to be enjoyed with those! A couple of games I've also played with the Legends leg of the army so far, but my total number of games is so small still that I can't really say if I enjoy Legends specifically or not. All of the minis I do enjoy! However, I'm a bit planning of doing some 3rd edition gaming since that's the time when I originally got to the hobby. Thus, it'll be maxing out the Legends portion of the armies!

[@WoffbootPootle]

Sounds perfect! I also have a load of Primaris Ultramarines and I normally mix and match rather than going for one only, but having your own lore for them is great. It’s not just about the games: collecting and painting the models is often enough for many people

[@obscurage]

​@@WoffbootPootle hear hear! I've very much leaned towards painting and collecting during my hobby stints, gaming has been one small aspect of the whole thing. Anyways, keep up the good work with all things hobbying!

[@wakcedout]

man i had that metal jump pack chaplain before they made it finecast. wasnt a model you wanted to place on a hill and suffered horribly from the wobbly model syndrome. but damn it still looks better than the ones they have now in plastic. and even tho i started with necrons in 5th edition near its last couple years. i got into space marines before 6th came around and the metal models were still available at my local games workshop store. and as a result i too get a fond liking for them and there is just something more stylish about those metal models over the new plastic. as nice as the plastic can look and easy as they are to assemble, they just dont compare to those gorgeous metals.

[@WoffbootPootle]

You’re absolutely right

[@Potato-nt5if]

old school matchup loving it

[@scottwebb3781]

I love the old school models, love to see them in battles 🙂👌🏻

[@WoffbootPootle]

Cheers, me too (obviously!)

[@Anthoninoatletico]

I don't play tabletop anymore but this was really entertaining. Loved the ultrasmurfs legends but, although he played perfectly, he also had a lot of luck with the die. GG.

[@WoffbootPootle]

I really did: those dice were rolling crazy hot at times (which is a shame, because it’s much more fun when a game is closer). Thank you though

[@thehowards8432]

Thanks - love these casual and fun battle reports.

[@Eric-jt8yx]

Love the classic minis. Great for every edition

[@WoffbootPootle]

Cheers, absolutely right!

[@andes559]

Beautiful matchup as always but this dice rolling was painful to watch. You took it like a champ!

[@WoffbootPootle]

I blame Braps: we talked off camera afterwards that it’s far more enjoyable to lose a close game than win like that: there were periods that it felt like I couldn’t roll below a 4…

[@alangodfrey9504]

Very cool Ultra Marines army! Great batrep!

[@WoffbootPootle]

Thank you

[@strigoi_guhlqueen8355]

Would you ever be interrested to do some 2nd edition on the channel?

[@MrBertie7]

Last time I played was 2nd edition...

[@jhnlk]

Pooooootle! Your army is a delight.

[@WoffbootPootle]

Thanks my friend!

[@magnos_decimus]

Need to get some old-school Ork wartrakks, buggies, and battlewagons, Winters

[@WoffbootPootle]

I played him in October with three old lead Warbuggies. I wish I had some old Wartraks…might have to scout eBay

[@jackcarter9210]

I’m hungover and you’ve released a battle report … good timing!

[@moviedofamily]

Murphy is here! How glorious! I always thought him a myth! Thank you, Winters!

[@johnronald6115]

He had a laser pointer.....+2 to recover the C.A.T.

[@jonathanwernham2296]

This makes me want to do a 1st born dark angels 😊😊 time to find some old lead deathwing and ravenwing

[@WoffbootPootle]

Do it!

[@TITAN_101]

Takes being attacked by a Meuzeum to a whole new level

[@WoffbootPootle]

😂

[@Rookie40K]

Awesome Ultramarines army! Dying to know which blue paints were used?

[@WoffbootPootle]

Thank you! Standard modern paint schemes I’m afraid: Macragge Blue, Nuln Oil, Calgar Blue and Fenrisian Grey. I do still have some RTB01s painted with Enchanted Blue but they’re really not worthy of KZbin

[@Rookie40K]

@@WoffbootPootle Thank you for answering! They look fantastic!

[@angeloildistruttore4847]

i do play "first born" list sometimes and i've lots of fun! i still put in my list "first born" a squad usually also if i play primaris list they still do a great job on battlefield with a heavy long range weapon 😁

[@stephenworthington-white8294]

Just pulled out my Marines from storage to play with my kids. All pre 93!! Gonna fix them up and relearn how to play with the new rules. I do love the weight of the old lead models. I think I will miss having plasma grenades, I used to cause so much chaos with those devils!! Happy wargaming!!

[@WoffbootPootle]

Good on you! Get them back out on the table!

[@maijin007]

so OOP lead painted with arsenic and radium, those marines could be a dirty bomb :)

[@ellesse3862]

Enjoyed the clash of ages, those beakie veterans showed why they're veterans .. brutal. Beautiful miniatures, nice to see people using them instead of shelving them for newer shiner bigger beasts and meta mayfly toys. Original terminator, still after one of those, I do love a mix of generations in my army as I chase fun not meta.. its always a win with Orks.

[@WoffbootPootle]

Thanks and I completely agree with your approach (obviously!)

[@ScrubGamerRN]

Would love to see you go back and play an OG 1st edition game with the OG Models against someone else who plays with the OG orks!

[@WoffbootPootle]

I never played 2nd-7th editions but did consider playing a game of Rogue Trader with one of my friends on the Woffboot blog but after I investigated a bit further I backed down as the rules are bonkers complicated, though it was originally meant to be MUCH smaller armies

[@WoffbootPootle]

Mind you, recreating The Battle At The Farm would be glorious!

[@vcfirefly2508]

Great game! Absolutely love that Firstborn army!

[@WoffbootPootle]

Thanks: so do I!

[@ericsmith9212]

Great to see Legends units played. I think too often they are ignored and even shamed to play. Unfortunate, because there are a lot of great units to play. I like to play legends, especially with Ravenwing using Techmarine and Librarian on bikes

[@WoffbootPootle]

Cheers, absolutely spot on

[@rodderyup7401]

I haven’t played 40k for 30 years but I seem to remember the cover / to hit modifier was applied at the beginning no ? Looks like they apply it after the damage role ?

[@WoffbootPootle]

You’re quite right, it’s all changed. In RT days soft and hard cover gave -1 and -2 to hit, but cover in tenth edition gives an additional pip to your armour save (with an exception that a 3+ save isn’t modified to a 2+ if hit by a zero AP gun).

[@rodderyup7401]

@@WoffbootPootle Ok thank you for the reply

[@94Angelwing]

I own lots of units that are now legends datasheets. I and my opponent are happy to see them on the table top. I'd love to see people using them more rather than having the mindset of legends = doesn't exist. I appreciate that tournament games are a different thing of course but thats just one facet of the game.

[@WoffbootPootle]

It’s a lot to do with who you play against and HOW you play: as a generalisation, legends units aren’t as powerful but I think that’s a good thing as it (should!) lead to more balanced and exciting games

[@-nope3030]

Missing a trick here! Should totally do this in 2nd or 3rd edition.

[@WoffbootPootle]

Great idea, though I never played 2nd or 3rd

[@Thedagda801]

No school like the old school! Brilliant stuff, thank you!

[@kinsung888]

Anyone know where I can get the rules for an OG Razorback? The one with 1 lascannon and twin plasma gun. :P

[@ourcommonancestry6025]

Next time I get to England I'm bringing minis and gonna play you and every other wonderful 40k KZbin poster

[@CowardlyViking]

When they have chance to get them all ready, the lovely lads at Live And Lets Dice may have an old metal army to play against!

[@meatybtz]

This needed to be done in 2nd edition rules ;p

[@Nedkelly1974]

Thank you for this. Loved watching the "old" SM's kick some green skinned butt.

[@WoffbootPootle]

Thank you

[@simonturner6734]

Wow, proper space marines! Love it.

[@WoffbootPootle]

Thank you!

[@sierraminiatures]

Excellent as always!

[@aglumm9469]

You should build and play a 2nd edition army winters.

[@TheButlerboy89]

Stunning army!

[@WoffbootPootle]

Thank you

[@yurybarsukov6166]

Such a glorious battle, the Emperor protects! Like and comment to support the best wh30-40k channel as usual)

[@wintersSEO]

Thank you

[@andyswarbrick7452]

Another great report. Good to see all these legend units back on the table. Still not happy with GW removing all these, hardly over powered.

[@Dernellar]

An excellent battle report

[@WoffbootPootle]

Cheers, though it would have been so much better if it hadn’t ended up being so one-sided :-(

[@strigoi_guhlqueen8355]

These looked awsome.

[@WoffbootPootle]

Thanks

[@romangl9070]

Love both armies but ultras are something special

[@WoffbootPootle]

Thank you

[@redcoatray1784]

I endeavour to one day play on a table as lovely as this.

[@WoffbootPootle]

His tables are always amazing!

[@GutzMcStabby]

Those snipers killed two reeaaalllllyyy tough units, good on them

[@WoffbootPootle]

I don’t remember those snipers killing ANYTHING up until this game: clearly they were saving their bullets for Winters

[@Lamthesavender]

he just pootled along to victory haha

[@WoffbootPootle]

😂

[@SleepySack]

Any plans to expand the Orks with some beast snaggas?

[@01oo011]

Glorious!

[@WoffbootPootle]

Cheers!

[@jwb590]

Glorious

[@jasonh6910]

Jesus the fire power

[@WoffbootPootle]

I was surprised how effective it was

[@JustMonikaOk]

To echo everyone else, the way the oldschool models look is so much more fun than the newer ones.

[@WoffbootPootle]

Yep: I have plenty of the new stuff, but this is where my heart is

[@neddyWhite]

Just fyi at 48:00 tank shock is now based on vehicle toughness :)

[@WoffbootPootle]

Yep, we played this before the balance dataslate officially dropped so quite hard to pick up all the changes on the da. I’m glad it worked as it did though: was a great moment to see the Deff Dread steam into my lines and kill everything in a flailing whirlwind of claws!

[@neddyWhite]

@@WoffbootPootle ah I see! I’m amazed that it whiffed so hard anyway, out of all those attacks only 2 MWs!

[@toi_techno]

Cool UM army

[@WoffbootPootle]

Thanks

[@shadeofheresy]

A real Ultramarine army. One built over years of collecting. Mikne looks similar.

[@WoffbootPootle]

Awesome: any pics available? What’s your username on the well known pic sharing site?

[@supermackyt4569]

ORKZ'IZ NEVAH BEETUN!!! WE'Z BE BACK ENUVA DAY!! WAAAAAaAAAAAAGH

[@ge9367]

KZbin has a 'Translate to English' tab under your comment 😂

[@TacticalMetalhead]

The OG art design for SMs in my opinion is far superior to the crap Primaris came out with. So much more rugged and grim

[@SovietSeething]

hate when games end that way

[@kylefullmetalts168]

knights seem really good now and would love to see you do a knight BR

[@Smilomaniac]

In case anyone is despairing about losing their beloved marine collection, you can play them in OPR (One Page Rules) as their own faction. They're separate from primaris. Also just happens that it's a more fun system with actual points and so fast that you can play several games in the span of a 10th edition one.

[@stryke-jn3kv]

Given how joyous it was to have one page of fun rules just to see what happens when you fired a shokk attack gun that doesn't sound very engaging but yes likely much quicker.

[@Smilomaniac]

@@stryke-jn3kv Sounds like 2nd or 3rd, but 10th sure as hell isn't joyous or engaging, it's jumbled and bland, easily the worst edition of 40k ever made.

[@stryke-jn3kv]

@@Smilomaniac it was 2nd, 3rd was peak bland and boring to make them play as efficiently as possible, with what it did to that weapon being one of the worst offences, and it would be several editions for the Shokk Attack Gun to be restored to even being a bit fun again

[@Smilomaniac]

​@@stryke-jn3kv Let's not pretend 2nd edition wasn't overloaded with rules. Sure, I get it, lots of entertaining tables with wild outcomes (or mostly uninteresting ones and the occasional funny thing happening), but it's far from everyone's cup of tea. 3rd onwards just isn't for you, that's fine and obviously neither is OPR since that's a distilled version, but I'll take those over 2nd nine out of ten times, because that edition suffered from the same problem all the big box board games do - Too much setup, too many rules and too much time to play. Not for me and not for a lot of others.

[@stryke-jn3kv]

@@Smilomaniac it's also important to remember that 2nd was designed to be a skirmish game. 2k points was genuinely half the size in terms of models, or even less than that, compared to 3rd, and even more so still compared to the full on armies you need for 10th. When you have a couple of characters, a couple of squads and maybe a single monster or tank it's fine to have all that fine detail as you can still play a game in a reasonable time. I'd say it's a selling point even as it results in more entertaining stories. If you want to depict armies clashing then yeah it ain't so great as trying to do that with 2nd would quickly become a slog. Still I do prefer 10th to 3rd as at least most units do have something going on now via the datacards rather than being simple stat blocks devoid of character or charm. I'm also certainly not going to claim 2nd was perfect rules wise. That'd be laughable given the virus incident. Just that I prefer complexity to simplicity and I'm aware there's a fine balance between the two. Too much of the first and you need a narrow focus or more time, and too much of the second results in something so bland it's no longer interesting to engage with.

[@ourcommonancestry6025]

I still use those Terminators

[@PeteSmells]

This is exactly what I needed today. Orks is best

[@PeteSmells]

those marines are spectacular though

[@WoffbootPootle]

As an old school Ork player myself, I agree entirely! And thank you too

[@ge9367]

This is the most beautiful thing I've ever seen 🥹

[@WoffbootPootle]

Thank you, too kind (though maybe you’re talking about the Orks!)

[@ge9367]

@@WoffbootPootle You're too modest sir! The paint job is far better than I managed when I was a wee nipper 😂

[@WraithRaider]

Lead minis OP!

[@adamsan7494]

Good stuff.😊

[@lordoritos001]

map innnnnsane again i love it

[@death2all79zx]

Lead Regime!

[@Keyblade071]

The legends rules are good for what they are. GW was never going to continue supporting dozens and dozens of diffrerent models, and making legends rules instead of just dropping them entirely was a good move on their part. Sure, you cant use them in official GW 40k tournaments, but those comprise such a small portion of the actual hobby. Talk with your friends or local gaming group and they are more than likely to allow legends units. People make such a big fuss about making things into legends when it's really not a big deal for the vast, vast, vast majority of warhammer players.

[@WoffbootPootle]

Absolutely right, it really shouldn’t be a big deal at all

[@dallan7736]

Back when Space Marines were cool and actually made sense

[@Krugg66]

Hi Winters, will you be doing any more Old World bat reps? Or dare I say it … Spearhead for AoS? 👀😎❤️

[@johnkon2810]

I know that was well played tactics & some huge dice rolls but, this is how the space marines should play. Fyi... if Winters played that orc boys strategy, no way SM wins with all the well played tactics & dice rolls. I don't know how you SM players carry on in this format of the game & not revolt.

[@fistimusmaximus6576]

Miss the aesthetic of the original marines, tactical marines, devastators etc. Lore wise aswell primaris don't make sense and break cannon. Wish they were just biggerized marines. Also the banners and the ww2 style track tanks really gave the armies a archaic look which fit with the grim dark feel which is lost with each new edition.

[@ivoalexander4201]

Those units should not be in legends but in normal rules.

[@TheDirtysouthfan]

The game was one big oof. T1 Orks lose a Morkanaut and things just don't improve. Not a case of skill or anything, just really bad luck with terrible rolls and going 2nd.

[@WoffbootPootle]

You’re quite right: the dice were rolling crazily well for me and Winters had terrible luck in comparison. I guess that’s how games go sometimes but it’s a shame as it’s a lot less exciting (for everyone) than a closer game

[@thomascoutts9242]

Winters, please stop taking Grot artillery!

[@tom1984verschoor]

Morning! 😂

[@justinmsc5]

High point games are too favourable to the shooting army, especially with the easy firing lanes. Should have played like 2500 vs. 2750 Orks to have a decent game, but you actually played 2400 Orks due to a suicidal truck ;)

[@loveraman9252]

As of new faq, Warbosses (normal and mega) do not get their Waaaggghhh abilities if they where in vehicles during the start of the battle round.🫠

[@WoffbootPootle]

Ouch! Good spot; we played before the official announcement so it was hard to spot all the implications of the new update. That’s a bit crap though as I don’t feel the Waaagh is all that effective; this really downgrades Warbosses :-(