Old Steam Powered Machine Shop 80 Steam Shop Work

It's hard to believe this is #80 video of my shop at work to show you how line shafts, steam power and old method machine work was done 100 years ago. This one continues with the fabricating of a gear box shaft for a round hay bailer, a new design cross head for the Liley steam engine build and some clips of work in the front "engine" shop. As always, comments questions and discussion of steam power and old school shop work are always welcome. Thanks for watching.....Dave

[@GrandpaFumblefingers]

Great to see a new video. It is like welcoming an old friend into my home.

[@steveshoemaker6347]

Sorry l am late🥵 on this video David but l am now just getting from youtube.....Thank a bunch my friend.....lt's alway good to see you working away on another day......Shoe🇺🇸

[@dale436]

Great video. Thanks for sharing with us.

[@johnbishop2060]

Like how you are showing some front shop jobs, shows us the compete shop

[@judymichaud4081]

Steam power is amazing great show.

[@andrewmargeson6646]

I really enjoy your videos Dave.

[@chrisduggins3071]

It’s a good day! Another old steam powered machine shop video 😊

[@phillipyannone3195]

Thanks Dave I always enjoy watching the Old Steam Powered Machine Shop in action.

[@fricknjeep]

HI THERE didn't think i would ever see this here . sold two of them last year . old Olver . good job john

[@RalfyCustoms]

New sub here buddy, absolutely beautiful workshop, thank you so much for sharing

[@striperman01]

Dave, I love your shop and your work! Enjoyed the video!

[@Epitome63]

Nice video. Old and modern. I enjoyed it.

[@spnynorman5519]

Funny thing about your videos, Dave - I know that I can click the ‘like’ button before even watching them. They’re always informative and entertaining. You’ve got the formula right - just keep doing what you’re doing. 8-)

[@FrenchieFrench1555]

Thank you David. Nic video.

[@brissance]

Looks like what is invented in 21 st century, owes a lot , looks like everything to 19 th century people. I loved this video so much.

[@hacc220able]

Amazing quality of work on machines of such vintage, not to mention the skill and knowledge of the operator - thanks for sharing

[@hilltopmachineworks2131]

Enjoyed the shaper action.

[@roberttalada5196]

I was so happy to see one of your videos in my feed :) It had been a while!

[@johnfry9010]

I guess that will remain one of life's mysteries on how they made that part , very interesting . The fix for valve guides is amazing , Thanks Dave !

[@bsteleven]

watching your videos is good for my soul!

[@fredericramsey3688]

So glad to see a new video. Always enjoyable. Years ago I on occasion would run a large open side planer resurfacing cast iron ingot molds. Using the side head I would get a long "beard" of chips and dust hanging down from the tool. Everything was magnetized. We used 1-1/4" x 1-1/4" x 9" tool steel bits. Love the channel.

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

Good one Dave . We call those bronze sleeves K Liners . They are that good , they also fit them into replaceable valve guides when they are worn . That cross head is an interesting one , how it may have been made made . You could use those small tea candles to keep lighting the oxy . You know then when it's time for a break , the candle has gone out ! Cheers .👍

[@davidrichards5594]

Hi Max, I guess K-line invented them. I've used them in removable guides because somtimes (like big block chevy v8s) the guide OD bores are not concentric with the seats, so if you replace the guide they will be way out of wack with the seats requiring oversize seats.....Dave

[@FeralPreacher]

Your jig for the conveyor is sheer genius. Love your attention to detail and ability to reverse engineer parts. Thanks for sharing

[@artszabo1015]

That crosshead is a real piece of work. I think you are right, the bearing journal was made first and the cast into the head. Is the journal made of steel? They would have locate any machining off the journal because they could never place it in the mold with that level of accuracy. Sounds like a nightmare, glad I am watching you do it instead of me. Always a joy to see you and your videos. Art from Ohio

[@zlathim]

I just found your channel David. You do great work and I really enjoy the videos. You remind me of a guy (also from NY state) who taught me basic skills on the lathe back in the 90's. State highway shop so we worked on a lot of large trucks and machinery. The shop had a several old lathes and milling machines that came from battleships and other Navy vessels that were decommissioned after WW2. Before I left that job, I was able to snag bench vice made by Reed Manufacturing Model 104 1/2. I believe it also came from one of the decommissioned Navy ships, and I still use it today. From my research, the ships that were decommisioned after WW2 were mostly built in the 1920's, so it's the oldest tool in my shop by far.

[@tjt4036]

Another great video Dave. Keep them coming. Thanks.

[@jeffb6517]

Dave. Thanks again for posting another video. I have watched most of your other 79 videos at least twice and what I pick up is a great gift. Keep posting and sharing your experience. It does make a difference.

[@RRINTHESHOP]

Lots of fun work there David. Great jig for the bending, cool valve guide repair, great idea for the cross head.

[@PSUK]

Just like our own Fred Dibnah!

[@noelguerrero2770]

There's nothing like quality work all the way. Amazing.

[@coleenlofgren6385]

I LOVE your videos !! Thanks for the time you spend making them. Mark

[@carltonlane8931]

Thanks for the video,just got in after walking the dogs,you have made my evening,I’ve. Not watched the video yet,I’m buzzing,thanks again.

[@chuckthebull]

Cool to see someone else working in the shop on a job..makes it like it would have been back in the day with multiple people all working together. im 65 so i remember job shops from a young boy and how i was thrilled and fascinated and a little scared as a kid watching people work with whirling machinery that had the potential to mame you. Left me with a healthy respect for machinery..cool valve guid work too..i used those inserts with great success as well.

[@davidrichards5594]

Great comment, thanks Chuck....Dave

[@terrycannon570]

thanks Dave

[@leroyc179]

Both thumbs up for ya Dave, always love your videos.

[@SiamWoodShop]

Watching you replace the valve guides takes me back to my days in the trade during the '60s and '70s. Great video, as always Dave.

[@MattysWorkshop]

Gday Dave, this was a good overview of what goes on in your workshop, all very interesting jobs and thank you for sharing, cheers

[@chipwright6193]

It's been a while since I've been to your channel, but I love your videos. I enjoy seeing all of the old equipment being used the way it was meant to be. I run into magnetized chips and parts too sometimes. We always had some sort of an electric demagnetizer that we would run over the part to fix it. I liked what you did with the old 390 FE heads too. I think when I had my 360 done, they knurled the guides. I wish I lived closer. I'd bring my engine work to you. You have a lot of great projects going on!

[@johnsawyer2516]

Micky mouse!!! at 22:20 great expression Dave. I thought that was an saying from this side of the pond. Take care stay safe.

[@davidrichards5594]

No John, Micky Moused up things are commonly found in most US. shops also.....Dave

[@Randysshop]

Hi Dave It looks like some interesting work going on in the shop. Thanks

[@galbysvideos9867]

Love your work, Dave

[@henkvanderwal2424]

Hello David, A nice way to spend my sunday evening. Thank you for this video very good as always . Greetings from Friesland in the Netherlands Signed Henk

[@thomasbienkowski3880]

Great video. Long time since your last. I would like to think that the head you were flattening was for Pete at Just a Few Acres. I was hoping that you would tie it into to your work. I enjoy connecting with the you tube productions from the northeast USA. Thank you for doing these videos. I am an old boiler guy and really appreciate the use of steam in your shop.

[@RetroSteamTech]

Another great video Dave 👍👍👍 I thought your jig for bending the conveyor bars was brilliant. Cheers, Alan.

[@jerryuhte1284]

Absolutley an amazing talent , great videos too, i am not a machinist but i know you are old school and i like it ! Good luck !

[@THEIRONWORKER]

Great video Dave . Your shop is all ways nice and clean keep up the good work .

[@byrnejr]

Nice to see you Dave!!

[@normanfeinberg9968]

How that part was originaly made sure is a mystery but you worked around it.You sure can't beat experience as my dad would say.Thanks Dave for showing.

[@silverbullet7434]

Thanks Dave glad your helping the Amish it may help you down the road. Nice bending jig for that job too.. I bet others will be wanting some to. Enjoyed the shapers working and the connecting block build.

[@jimc4731]

Love that potato picker bending jig! I am watching on a new iPad and I enjoyed smelling the cutting oil in the last view! Keep up the good work! Glad to see you are keeping busy. JIM

[@dougvanallen2212]

Great stuff Dave we really enjoy watching the videos that you spend so much time making thanks again

[@calparsons2502]

Another really great video, enjoyed it very much. Thanks.

[@chrissmith7655]

Hi Dave, it's because lathe is mounted North / South hahaha. From Nr Liverpool UK. Many thanks for all your very interesting uploads, brings back the memories, wish I was there to help for free.

[@markwatters6875]

Excellent setup mate. Thanks for the video 👍🇦🇺

[@johnhill5856]

Hi Dave. About the cast-in pin ... 50 years ago I worked in an iron casting factory. Such cast-in items are named chills. It happened but was not common.

[@davidrichards5594]

I guess it was a good idea for production, but impossible to repair or rebuild.....Dave

[@Radiotexas]

Lotsa cool stuff Dave!

[@stratocaster1greg]

Those valve guides are real nice. Thanks Dave.

[@edmedlin2936]

This makes my day! A new video from Dave! I am beginning to realize how much work it must be to make these videos. Thanks big time. Now, I go watch #80.

[@chrisdohery9187]

Can you take a long video recording of your steam engine running at its slowest or speed that you start up at? I just wanna listen to it run when I work and it’s so relaxing. It would be good for falling asleep to also😂

[@charlescompton4495]

You'll have to build a big degouser (spelling, oh well) to run those shafts through. Maybe even big enough to demagnitize the whole lathe. Interesting chain link project, Greg.

[@johanengqvist4333]

degauser* I agree!

[@johncrowley5612]

@@johanengqvist4333 degausser*

[@stevengrotte6732]

I guess you will be heading back to Florida in a month or so, I so miss your episodes in your NEW YORK STATE shop

[@CraigLYoung]

Thanks for the birthday present David😀

[@mattthescrapwhisperer]

That cross head is a real stumper concerning the pin. Really liked the multiple projects featured in this video. Thanks for sharing Dave!

[@jimwilloughby]

I think this is the first time I've seen the front shop. It's bigger than I thought, and very interesting to see.

[@tubeu28]

I like the idea of reverse engineering keep up the great work!

[@henrymiller1820]

I had a lot of fun imaging a lathe that instead of turning a full circle only turns about 200 degrees. One the one side of that cross head is pin is turned you change the setup and turn the other half of the shaft. I think it would work, but I can't imagine doing it in a production shop - would have to be slow.

[@georgehill6569]

You are doing a great job I love your videos keep it up please

[@RicochetRichard]

I worked in a machine shop that was at a foundry. They wanted to be cheep and use scrap material that had been unloaded from freight cars with a magnet for the foundry. We learned real quick how hard it was to work material that was magnetized. The tool post would even become magnetized.

[@pauljw7697]

Dave, try a slight angle change of the bit. You will also have to adjust the rotation speed of steel you're machining. You have reached that magical harmonic speed that will magnetize. It's caused by the heat generated by the bit coupled with the ultra-high frequency created by the contact of bit against the steel. I suggest slightly speeding up the rotation and taking less of a bite.

[@Wa3ypx]

Why will my Craftsman combination wrenches magnetize to each other by just hanging on a peg board in my garage? I don't notice that they attracted a nut or bolt, but they attract each other.

[@brustar5152]

But, without coolant, he's got to take enough of a bite to remove heat away from the bit along with the swarf. Coolant were embraced for just this sort of occurrence.

[@pauljw7697]

@@Wa3ypx Is there any wiring in the wall behind the peg board?

[@Wa3ypx]

@@pauljw7697 There most likely would be.

[@pauljw7697]

@@Wa3ypx If you know of no other way the tools could become magnetized, then I would think the magnetic field created by the flow of electrons in any heavy wiring or cables could possibly be the cause.

[@boe4448]

Hello Dave, I just found your channel and am new subscriber. I really enjoy your content and a line shaft shop. Greenfield village in Dearborn Mich has some really nice displays of this type. Boe

[@tonythompson7448]

Love all your videos David hope you keep doing them as long as your able but old age creeps up on us all I had to quit long before I wanted to I'm disabled now can't walk much and heart trouble so be careful

[@mcgama88]

A treat to watch this series of jobs. And at the weld up to match a cast piece, fitted to the steam element a nice answer to the square to round assembly. Who knew my small shop needed a shaper? My South bend is a 1935 model. Where Tom's work came from a 1925. These machines have a long and interesting history, with some great photo's shown on South Bend web records as production across the years. The scraped tolerance of the ways, the early to late apron features and the change gear sets made these units useful but a little demanding to set up. Attachments included a taper device, and both British and US made mill units that clamped to the bed. The bed stamped serial number define year made. Various makers to that design and very often of smaller work piece dimension. I think from the post, both as where Tom is working and my unit, a 9 inch capacity. Most of all where I laugh when comparison to a "Chinese mini". *Durability, construction and tolerance. Tom's workpiece at near 100 years and still productive to that machine. For small shop as hobby or the waves of advance in weldment, grinding tolerance and various alloy...the age of steam gave way to more modern features but at the time (let the observer compute that year range for themselves) were the absolute best of method. In the forests of the west, steam caused a lumber production also unique. Lots of books and photo's to that interest. Dave, what's best to my enjoyment is your patient and knowledgeable comment as real work in an interesting shop, meets unique and everyday. And steam was the powerhouse of delivered force to cast iron and brass and steel real to our near past. Thanks so much for having me along. M.

[@davidrichards5594]

Mark, thankyou for your great comment, I couldn't agree more. Now if we can get production back into the U.S. (I see a little of it every day) we'll be fine.....Dave

[@deangiacopassi1951]

Thanks, I've been thinking of trying to using thin walled bronze guides in my 1 1/2 HP Stover KE hit and miss engine.

[@rupert5390]

Extremely engaging content - the mix was really good, the bending jig a testament to your skills - I absolutely hang out for your films, you’ve inspired me to build a steam engine from scratch for my saw mill, I have a fantastic, wood shop and machine shop on 3 acres in an old saw milling block in Aus. Many thanks.

[@davidrichards5594]

Rupert, definitely keep us posted on the development of your engine!.....Dave

[@julioquiroga6388]

excelentes trabajos maestro. que este bien

[@donmittlestaedt1117]

Dave, I think the bar between the cheeks of the cross head casting is only there to hold the dimension of the two cheek as a finished casting. The bar holds the width dimension and in plane. That bar would be machined away and a solid pin is placed thru bores suggested by the center holes.

[@clydebalcom3679]

I'm looking at a piece of heaven, ain't I?

[@tomcurtis6119]

Dave I always look forward to your videos. I wish I lived closer to you so I could bring business to you. where I live we have a couple of automotive machine shops within an hours drive but no general machine shops. and I'm not a good enough machinist to suit my needs yet. Anyway keep up the videos sir I am always impressed with your work.

[@Bret4207]

Very interesting stuff Dave. I like the mix of old steam and the new stuff. I've done some work for the Amish myself, always interesting!

[@medvedmedvedoff4803]

Hello Dave! Shaper is a very powerful and useful machine to planing large surfaces. Me & my father resurrected a big hydraulic-based shaper with 750 mm stroke. 10 kW main engine,160 liters of hydraulic oil.. but 750 mm stroke! 😀

[@richb419]

Hi I'm thinking that the crank pin was placed between the cope and drag then the cast iron was poured. your design is much better than the original it is probably is more costly than the casting. I love watching the videos, keep up the work! Rich

[@davidrichards5594]

I think your'e right but it looks like the radius were machined where the pin meets the sides..??..Dave

[@avenuex3731]

If this were my shop, I would leave Hollywood perfect FX severed arms hands and fingers here and there with no explanation given.

[@floridaflywheelersantiquee7578]

Thanks for sharing enjoined

[@rw3dog]

Nice video. I have a friend with a hit and Miss powered potato picker, it has an international LA or LB engine, he found it in Maine. It also has that same conveyor. Nice job with that jig. Looking forward to seeing more of the cross head.

[@braydencarlgren1904]

was that a Farmall head that you were decking around the 11 min mark? i hope to see an update on Petes cylinder head! i enjoy your videos and work.

[@edwardkosol8891]

Dave, the magnetism is a result of the induction heating done to stress relieve the steel. You could do a demag pass with an electric coil to demageitize the steel.

[@davidrichards5594]

Ed, Yes, and I read where eddy currents are used to "Test the steel" in the "Stress-proof" specs.....Dave

[@mobiousenigma]

hey dave ! thanks for the videos. on your cross head if the slides are dovetailed into the sides and head piece it will lock them and provide positive stops for the pin...it can still be drilled and bolted to stop it sliding

[@davidrichards5594]

That's the idea Mike....Dave

[@mobiousenigma]

@@davidrichards5594 as a machinist would it be preferable to part 4 pre cut gears off a blank or cut the same gear 4 times? i am prototyping a torsion bundle frame where the bundles are tension ed by 4 ratcheting berings .

[@dankolar6066]

That chain belt reminds me of a belt that was on a mechanized broiler that was in a kitchen where I once worked. It was about a foot wide and eight foot in length. All stainless steel, the belt carried meat thru a broiler which would cook continuously. Cleaning that broiler was a pain because the chains had to be removed and soaked in cleaner/disinfectant overnight.

[@robertpeters9438]

Reminds me of the burger grill at Burger King fast food.

[@oldiron4135]

We use the DCM mill with the table that pivots in the Y and X axis. We get on level to each guide using the guide mandrel and a level that fits on mandrel, then level head to guide. Then we use a core drill and drill out old guide to size, then we press in new cast iron guides and use a reamer to bring them to size. Basically, we keep the old guide in place thats casted as part of the head, the new guide gets pushed into that. Because we level on each guide before any core drilling is done, nothing is out of line of origuonal seat position because of leveling on guide. All in all, because of the DCM mill, we can have a set of v8 head guides installed and sized in under 15 minutes and were on to cutting seats. Seats i dont care for are the big john deere, cat, heads as they get really hard to cut. We do a lot of heads through out the year and the older i get, the less i like the big heavy 170 pound plus heads. Their just a tank to move around anymore.

[@anibalachondo876]

un gusto ver como trabajas con maquinas herramientas antiguas, conosco de vapor por haber trabajado en una fabrica . con calderas y produccion de energia electrica con turbina de vapor

[@kwinterburn]

I like the potato picker chain, I have the Ransomes potato picker conveyor sprocket on my house as the motif

[@jamesallen3799]

Thank you for your work on these presentations. I really enjoy them. i must say one thing, and it is not to be taken as a negative comment. I was supervised to see a carbide tool in the neutral rake tool holder. I used this method for many years. but in your beautiful shop, I would think you would have Rex AAA or even old forged tool bits! I have had that problem with stress proof (1144) this week I have 12 mm 1144 studs to single point thread. interesting material. Again thank you so much..

[@jimc4731]

Rex 49 even better than Rex AAA, or Rex CPM 76! JIM

[@matkremzar5474]

good job dave ... im interested in getting rid of a south bend and a lodge and shipley lathe and one sunnen honing machine all 3 phase

[@SRHacksaw]

Hi Dave, love your videos as always. I like the two part casting idea for the crosshead, cheeks and pin cast together, machined, and end cap added after in a re-cast. But also wanted to propose that a wide but narrow shell end mill on a vertical mill could possibly do the job if the crosshead was set between centers and rotated. You'd have to do it separately for both sides, but the mill could reach across the closed gap. Or on a lathe, a driven milling attachment on the cross slide would be similar. The spindle would have to be turned by hand, not powered, and you couldn't go all the way around. You'd have to retract the carriage to clear the crosshead body, but return it after rotating past. Mill, if narrow enough would fit in the gap at the cap end. Not saying that was how it was done, but a possibility, that could also explain the center drilled holes.

[@davidhull6359]

Hacksaw--you could generate a portion of the pin with a shell mill, but you won't be able to complete the enclosed portion. The unfinished angle would be determined by the height of the crosshead and the diameter of the mill shank. That means it would take handwork to complete the shape. Not really what you want in terms of accuracy and surface finish in the direction of the piston forces. I suppose that you could make up an internal grinding wheel comprised of multiple pieces. (Think of a normal grinding wheel cut across the diameter into segments, then size the hole using adjustments on the frame/housing containing the pieces, and spin it. A pretty specialized tool. Another way to visualize this would be to consider an epicyclic gear set. In the place of the sun gear you have the shaft being ground. In place of the planet gears you have grinding wheels. The outer "ring gear" drives the whole works. I suspect that a steam engine, especially if run as a low rpm/high torque machine would have lesser peak rod forces than an internal combustion engine. That would make the welded crosshead more viable than one might think. Perhaps Dave can enlighten us...?

[@davidrichards5594]

I think you may be on to some thing there with your first idea. I took a close look at the cross head on the big shop engine and it looks like it's made the same way with center holes on the sides. A quick and dirty way of doing it, but the pin can't be replaced when worn.....Dave

[@gottfriedschuss5999]

Hi Dave, Another great video! That potato harvester chain conveyor is my definition of a two-person, two-jig job: The master running the torch and bending. The apprentice alternately loading and unloading the jigs. The question is how many of these links do you have to make before you are money ahead having made two jigs? Be well & Best regards, Gottfried

[@davidrichards5594]

The conveyor was a " labor of love" so to speak, for an Amish neighbor, and guess what, I have another one to make for his friend.....Dave

[@ydonl]

Cool jig! (ahem...). Looks like you could get a little sunburn while using it... I kinda half expected you to say "Ooo! Hot!" somewhere in the middle of that! :)

[@Виталий-ю5ы9щ]

Очень красиво! Старинные станки! Привет из России!

[@christophercullen1236]

Dave I believe they used the losted wax process to create a ceramic core , extremely accurate and no joint line . Example blades for a jet turbine engine no machining because of the hardness of the material . Christopher from Down Under

[@thomasfenlon2363]

would have liked to see you build the jig for the potato conveyor

[@dianemcewen8922]

Dave very informative vid ,I have had very little experience on shapers,Paul and Ed and I were looking for you at the steam pageant.this Year you were not allowed in the steam engine building when they are running, maybe a little politcal. Thanks for the vid ,enjoyed it Mike