OLD TECH vs NEW TECH: OUTBOARDS! (WHO WINS???)

[@mikemilani3991]

Our '82 Mariner 150 still pushes our '84 Champion 18' along at 60 mph at 5500 RPM. I never and I mean NEVER have to worry about mosquitos or other insects. Regular service & maintenance still has 120-125 compression on all cylinders. She has more hours on her than Father Time. Our set up is still the oldest I have seen at any launch ramps, 41 years old. I am expecting a call from the Smithsonian at any time.

[@w9awx1]

I loved my 96 150 EFI on my Lund. Ran great. Sounded great. No big issues.

[@HardmanOutdoors]

The intruder was the best motor I've ever owned on a bass boat... The XR6 is the best long term merc... still gone blow at some point

[@4orkful]

3L efi merc has something to say about that

[@CB4basser1]

Almost 18yrs out of my XR6. I'm going to miss it.

[@winstonrocco1981]

Got twenty years out of fast strike 175

[@JBAutomotive794]

Im still ripping around in a fast strike. I love the sound of those OMCs

[@HardmanOutdoors]

@@4orkful i got one of those too. Lol

[@shawnfurton1111]

my 1999 yamaha vmax 200 pushes a 23' deckboat i bought it new it now has 1100 hours and still havent had NOT 1 issue ,only used yamalube from day 1

[@DLuxProdbeatz]

Spot on with the etecs. I worked at an evinrude dealership just to learn about them because they were the only motors people needed fixed lol. just wait till you have to change out the steering assy on a g2.

[@takasalo]

This has got to be the most honest american made outboard review ever! You made me laugh bunch of times with your straight forward words.Nice to see someone soeak the truth Big up from Finland!🇫🇮🇫🇮😆

[@jonnooney7102]

The truth will set you free Esther said on Sanford and Son....applies here too ! LOL I work on all of them all day, everyday and totally agree ....all the way down the line.

[@Jace_DeGough]

I have a 1998 Yamaha OX66 200 serial number 000322 with 210 original hours. It starts on half a crank every time and runs like maniac. Fresh plugs, clean O2 sensor, good fuel pump diaphragms and running quality oil seems to be the ticket. The new stuff is amazing but it’s hard to beat those old Yammies.

[@c.shoefish]

Yep! They're hard to kill.

[@winstonrocco1981]

I was over at Sam Rayburn couple years ago on Memorial Day camping I saw so many pristine old bass boats saw several older champions

[@steveturner5287]

Love my thirsty xr4

[@ronniejohnson3781]

Watched a pro xs 4 stroke throw 2 rods while trailering the boat, sounded good at first then clack clack bang!

[@DCoutdoors256]

Yamaha proV 150 has been a an absolute tank for me never had any issues. Upgrade a few things on it and it’s runs like a top. Getting 63 mph by myself tournament load on my 96 379TE javelin.

[@danielmckeen2465]

Andy!!!🤓 what's up!!!🤠 Loving the Battle Royale!!!👍 I'm still waiting on the trolling motor battle!!!🤪😜 Loving the show!!!

[@TeamMarineService]

What’s up Daniel! I need to get more experience with the Move, Force and Ghost. Everyone runs Ultrex’s in our area. That video will eventually happen

[@brettanderson2849]

you guys should do a best shallow water anchor to buy right now. brand new or old/used

[@TeamMarineService]

Good idea

[@Rob-tl9md]

raptor. stronger up. stronger down.

[@j.d.saccociates3313]

The v6 SeaPro coneheads have been phenomenal on thw coast, ive got a pile of them on my work boats, theyve been great, cant ask for a better outboard. Not as easy to work on as the ol L6, but dont need much!

[@showmannen99]

My 150 Hpdi, never had a problem with it runs like a champ, even after standing out during the winter

[@Precisionreelworks]

Always appreciate your videos! It’d be interesting to hear your opinions on what it’d take to make a bad motor good. Like for the guy who’s still using a Ficht, how do you ensure you get as much life as possible out of it? Thanks!!

[@ejseda6546]

I just ordered a 2024 Chaparral 21 SSi with the Yamaha SHO 200HP. Is going to be fun!!!

[@kencleg7721]

My 02 tlra 2 stroke Yamaha. Still rock n

[@ryanstanek1554]

I bought my first starter boat and it has an Evinrude intruder and I love it. They really do last many years. Knock on wood 😅

[@thomashall1726]

My dad has the xr6 and only problem we have ever had was just needing carb cleaned so pros is the reliability and cons is fuel economy and if you don't know how to start it right it can be a pain to start

[@taddd85]

My motor wasn't on the list its a 01 225 johnson ho it loves gas but so far I've only replaced a starter , plugs , and the lower unit but that was due to hitting a semi floating log just under the edge of the water . Great video

[@swampbass6494]

I ran the hell out of my Yamaha 150 proV! Then I repowered with a Yamaha 200 ox66 on my skeeter and I love that motor! Just keeps going! I can skimp it out all day and that thing just takes it and never dies!

[@RyanHoney-f5i]

Please can we talk about the 130/140 v4 Yamaha, I know they are carb and old but here in the uk the are very loved

[@PeteaahOhasian]

Great motor.

[@mckeanbrosoffroad150]

Yamaha dealer for 38 years. The Yamaha 115 and 130s are extremely well built. We sold a ton of them and they run forever with zero issues. We sold several brands of outboards over the years and worked on ALL brands. Yamaha is the only brand we stuck with. Can't beat their reliability and dependability.

[@Randomdude12457]

I have a standard Mercury 60hp outboard from 2021 Any Thoughts on that motor?

[@surfstarcc1]

Personal favorite: My 2007 Yamaha 200 hpdi pushing my 97 22 Mako. 2800 hours and still running strong

[@kyleheinrich9861]

ran my 97 intrueder at full throttle for 20 minutes last weekend. 62mph ran great sounded great. used about a half gallon of fuel a minute tho

[@paulltoscano]

My dad has a good Etec 200 HO G1 and my grandpa has a good Ficht Ram 175. Both are very fuel efficient, plenty of power/performance and sound badass. We must have just gotten lucky 🤷‍♂️

[@brettanderson2849]

my Ficht Ram 175 has been good to me too! few minor issues, but that's normal for a 20 year old motor. One thing I can't figure out is that it bogs down when it is trimmed all the way down at idle, i just have to bring it up half way on the trim gauge and it runs normal again. It's super weird, been doing it since I got it over 2 years ago and hasn't improved or gotten worse

[@JR-ho5qm]

Lots of good Evinrudes out there. I think they are great!

[@paulltoscano]

@@JR-ho5qm they get a lot of hate but when they run they fing run

[@georgeanddaddecker7563]

Brett Anderson faulty trim sensor replace it.

[@Etec86]

I’ve put over 600 hours on my 2013 Etec 150 g1. Been an amazing motor so far.

[@Skits_Missions]

17 years Evinrude. I’ve got 2006 40hp G1 over 1000hrs. Been flawless. 2014 225HO G2 been great. Some minor steering issues (Their biggest flaw) the engine 670hrs going good so far. Has made me nervous. The Suzuki will be my next if I have issues with the G2. Previously: Merc was Shit! My Yamaha had issues but easy to fix. Carby issues.

[@JR-ho5qm]

Ya I think the G2 is fantastic! 2014 was the first year I believe and there was some steering issues. But BRP is more than willing to install the upgraded parts for you. 👍🏻

[@Skits_Missions]

@@JR-ho5qm A mate here has over 1100hrs on his 300hp. One comment I 100% agree with is if you look after it it will look after you. Go full throttle everywhere on the 250HO and 300hp G2 and it’s not going to end well.

[@tdflooringtd]

Absolutely love my Proxs250 the torque alone makes the last 2 stroke Mercury is light years ahead.

[@rynosplace7041]

Yall put a smile on my face every time....good video 👍

[@bamadondon0495]

I have a 2005 225 HPDI and it pushes my Stratos 200 pro XL nicely!!! It's amazing what just changing the spark plugs and oil will do to that engine as far as performance.. of course you want to do more than that but I'm just saying those two little things make a big Big difference.. it's just a good engine! But I'm saving for a SHO😂😎✌️

[@billstopinski2568]

i have a 150 fast strike on my 181 champion as does two of my buddies on there rangers, has always been a strong motor

[@brendanbutkus2392]

My dad used to run an evinrude 150 ocean pro, i miss that motor honestly

[@tomlinjohn391]

I am looking at Boston Whaler with 2001 Evinrude 250 HP Rams. The boat is a pretty good deal but I know I will have to repower one day. Should I run or buy? Thanks

[@JR-ho5qm]

The Evinrude G2 is not a bad motor. I don’t think the new Pro XS is either, but I don’t have first hand experience with that motor like the G1 and G2

[@siviunative5241]

Any chance the 2t rudes can be bettered and revived . Somehow I love those 2G Evinrudes

[@Badluckbassinbaitco]

Do a review on the prodrive tins .

[@greygoose117]

92 Merc 200 xri here. Sounds like a hot rod, chugs the gas, but still 120 psi on all cylinders after all this time. Can’t beat it with a stick

[@corvettejoe7699]

What about a 2002 225 EFI? Thanks in advance

[@timhafley5177]

I have that motor,after cleaning and replacing the fuel line, zero problems.

[@jwboilermaker]

Nothing better to get a b*ner in the morning than hearing an XR6 or Opti starting and hearing that growl.

[@josephlassiter1412]

I think if bass tours limited boats to 20 ft and 150 hp and 2 screens we would see a huge push in development of smaller packaged boats vs the 21 ft beasts with 250 hp and 5 screens what are your thoughts this would be a great team talk image a push for a 12 in screen that did more or a more efficient 150hp

[@cj7laredo1]

If I had to pick between an XP and. FICHT, give me a Force… 😂😂

[@D.A.1karp]

Where does a Mariner fall into? I haven't seen a talk about them... 1992 Mariner efi 175hp

[@mckeanbrosoffroad150]

They were the same as Mercury. Like Evinrude and Johnson are essentially the same, so was Mercury and Mariner.

[@labradorshalladore4966]

What’s your opinion on a Johnson special edition 200 the motor goes on a cobra viper 1996

[@russm8770]

Do you notice any difference in reliability if the Mercury came from the racing division?? Just got a 250r and so far so good.

[@esidedude2869]

I'm no mechanic, that's for sure. But it's just hard to beat a Mercury 2stroke. We had a Black Max on our Norris Craft when I was growing up. That thing was mean boy! 💪🤘

[@garrettparkerfishing431]

I’m constantly screen recording this to send to my buddies😂 dying every video

[@hdb7537]

Question about cylinder coating of a 2023 Mercury 115 pro XS,is it plasma or nikasil?

[@DizzyMan24]

Are the XP/GT OMC motors really that bad? We got a 1987 GT200 that runs great, just needs the reeds done. Turns our Checkmate into a rocket ship.

[@davidcarpenter2721]

When you doing a fishing pole comparison 😁

[@charliecuts2527]

I am building a 24 foot commercial crab boat. Want to power it with a new 300. What motor would you suggest?

[@hugoglenn9741]

Definitely four stroke, you will be Idling and low RPM a lot and foul plugs.

[@hugoglenn9741]

Foul plugs in a 2 stroke

[@mckeanbrosoffroad150]

Yamaha for commercial. Bulletproof and won't leave you stranded.

[@ScottKnight-r3g]

What you put on a pontoon? Merc 150hp Pro XS or the 150hp Four Stroke?

[@mckeanbrosoffroad150]

4 stroke for sure. So much quieter and burns much cleaner. Do you really want to try and talk over the drone and smoke of a 2 stroke over a 4 stroke, especially on a pontoon?

[@stevechandler5006]

Intruder all day long..........still run one to this day.

[@BossTech1976]

looking at a repower after my 98 optimax died. SHO it is. just need to get a good price. honest american right here. quick question would a 115 sho have close to the same power as a 98 150 carbed. or should i stay at the 150 hp. 1996 21' shoalwater boat

[@mckeanbrosoffroad150]

Stick with the 150 if you can. There will certainly be a noticeable performance difference in the 2.

[@Rushhy-p2q]

I got a 250 ox66 on my 202 champion that sob DRINKS gas , love it tho , super solid motor

[@kevinberta8741]

What about the ProXS or the Verado?

[@DLPfishing]

Man I surf you tube and when I see you I have to click because I know I will get nothing but the honest answer, just wanted to say thank and continue with great info

[@ezramason5816]

I know you guys are based in Wisconsin I love it out the we vacation there every winter for the snow but we live here in Florida and I wish y’all did more saltwater videos flats boats bay boats and center consoles i fish mosquito lagoon a lot and you see a lot of flats boats on steroids and I’d love to hear your opinion on action craft hewes pathfinders2200 skeeter sx 210 220 and how they pair up with all the out boards nobody down here makes videos with the charisma. You guys have to keep all the entertainment and laughs and education keep up the good work I still like learning about bass boats, though.

[@lesfaust9634]

No mercury verados??

[@scottr4086]

What do you think about the 90s Suzuki 50hp or 65hp models?

[@mckeanbrosoffroad150]

Suzukis are mostly solid. We sold them for a number of years in the 80s and 90s. They had minor problems in the early years but as of late, they are much improved.

[@matthewheld8577]

New Phoenix 21 XE. Over under?

[@charlesronk2989]

I had a 92 60hp Evinrude. I ran it from 1996 to 2019 and replaced a regulator rectifier. That was it. The warning horn corroded and I didn't realize it was out of oil. I ended up seizing it up. I replaced it with a 290hour 2012 75hp etec. I spent almost 4000 getting that motor to run right which it did for 2 years then the screws all came out of the reeds and wiped the motor out. 😢

[@davidpond7563]

I would like a little help if you don't mind. I'm looking at buy a used boat and would like your opinion on the motors. 1 is a 2016 Excel bay 203 with a Yamaha 150 SHO and the other is a 2019 Excel bay 203 with a Mercury 150 4 stroke which would is the better motor or would they be about the same? I would appreciate any advice. Thanks, David Pond

[@joeg1709]

My original 115 intruder is still the best motor I've ran. 97 model and still ran like a sewing machine. Wide open all day, pushing a Javelin. Reliability is the ONLY thing I care about.

[@streamin2605]

Left out the yamaha excel out😂😂. Mercury FF Blocks are some bad dudes! Old school rudes weren't bad either! Horrible on fuel tho lol

[@jennifervicknair7923]

What do you think of the 2006 Yamaha 115 2 strokes oil system are they reliable

[@mckeanbrosoffroad150]

Very. Yamaha builds them extremely well.

[@Willie-y1n]

I got 1990 ranger 391v with 1990 pro v 150 mid 50 I have gotten low 60

[@carsoncornwell6795]

What do you think about the 3cyl Yamahas

[@mckeanbrosoffroad150]

Solid!

[@flyfishmerc]

Got a 03 XR6 150 hat runs great but hates the heat, bogs down, cold starting and over the last year, there is always something wrong with it. Looking to repower with the Pro XS 150. Your thoughts?

[@Lray4x4]

Go with a Yamaha SHO.

[@789Derek]

Sho would be best I suppose, but a later model pro xs 2 stroke would be a close second and likely save a chunk of money when you buy it. I like the pro xs choice personally. I think the initial cost savings make the difference. Mercury has the 2 stroke down pretty well before they stopped making them and released the conehead.

[@flyfishmerc]

Yeah man I’d love to go Yamaha but it’s an extra 3-4k plus I can plug and play my controls with the Merc. The old 2’s in 150 are hard to find. Prolly just go brand new but that’s for the feedback guys

[@Lray4x4]

@@flyfishmerc The 75-175hp Mercury 4 strokes seem to be very reliable, most of the issues now are with the 200 and up v8s or the 60hp and down Chinese motors. If you go with a 150 get the pro XS for sure or go with the 175 pro XS.

[@flyfishmerc]

LRay Thanks. The dealer I’m taking to about the 150 ProXS said he can’t recall ever seeing one come in with a problem. Like you said it’s the 200-250’s that have some growing pains. Thanks for the feedback

[@winstonrocco1981]

Had a 03 opti 200 loved that engine now I have a proxs 4 stroke I hate it

[@fishingismydrug1]

What about Tohatsu?

[@j.d.saccociates3313]

Hey andy, ive got an ever growing fleet of v6 coneheads, is there a diagnostic software available to a guy like me looking after a decwnt soze fleet?

[@kevincrawford6936]

What's your thoughts on flashing a 2022 Mercury ProXS V8 4stroke?

[@TeamMarineService]

We are never a fan of flashing in general

[@kevincrawford6936]

@@TeamMarineService thank you

[@CMDAVISs]

👍 agreed well said

[@larryastle8813]

How do you like the old Yamaha prov 200’s

[@mckeanbrosoffroad150]

Excellent outboards that will run forever. The ProV had some lower unit gear problems the first few years but Yamaha stood behind them. The 200s though were fantastic engines that will run forever.

[@govtfunded]

My V4 Yamaha is still running and still keeping the saudis in G Wagens.

[@jamesparrish9613]

Diehard American! Yamaha tech since 1987. Picked up Evinrude 1999 right before the (ficht) bankruptcy. BRP did ok with the Etec. Then oops! G2. Don't need to tell what I went through and continue to go through. Breaks my heart to see this crap! We are America and we have the ability to build the most awesome shit on the planet. Yamaha came to us in 1984 with the 220 hp V6 Special, in 1987 it became the 225 hp V6 Excel. Carbureted 2 stroke with oil injection, a CPS, TPS, Temp sensor and Knock Sensor! State of the art. You almost didn't need the choke to start it! Evinrude countered with the VRO (very risky oiler}. Kaboom! At least mercury had the common sense to use the same mikuni gear driven oil pump! Had some Etecs go a lot of hours (6000 +). Loved the old two strokes if they didn't dump half of their unburnt gas and oil into the ocean/lake! By the way the G2 didn't make BRP go bankrupt, just made them stop production of outboards. However, if they did not stop production of the G2, they would have! Just drove a 2023 coyote mustang! Holy Crap. Awesome. My Dad's Corvette! Amazing! Why can't we do the same with outboards. Beyond me!

[@RP-xk8ji]

New tech is nice with vessel view, in my opinion.

[@cindykeselowski899]

Glad I saw this as I was going to get a like new 2015 Glastron gts160 WITH a Evinrude etec 115...good compression/233 hours BUT you say it's junk so stay away?

[@paulallison9741]

Hey boss, I'm looking to repower my John boat. Currently has 2 stroke Johnson, 40 horse. Just moved to Florida, so it will be going salt to fresh waters. Near and on the Peace River. Wanting to start going really skinny, so going with a 40 to 60 horse with a jack plate. What is the most reliable outboard in that range. I've been watching vids and reading as much as I can.. My head hurts. With little decisive info. Please help.

[@mckeanbrosoffroad150]

Yamaha no question. Our family dealership worked on all and sold many brands over the years. Yamaha is the only brand we sold for the full 38 years. They are bulletproof.

[@garydecker8261]

I'm sticking with yamaha and Suzuki I agree mercury usually run faster , but I'm into long-term outboards , min problems

[@EmergeFromTheAshes1]

I cant agree with you on the opti pops. Every single optimax for sale that has 300 hours somehow is on its 2nd or 3rd powerhead. Its honestly the only engine i see that with. The odd etec here and there but optis all the time unless it has 50 hours on it

[@TeamMarineService]

Where ya located?

[@dlaird8]

Evinrude intruder 150 is the best rude ever.

[@northlandoutdoors7941]

Had a 130 etec on my boat just got it repowered with a 140 suzuki.

[@JR-ho5qm]

How did you like the Etech?

[@northlandoutdoors7941]

@@JR-ho5qm I have an alumacraft competitor 175. Hole shot was good. Was only getting 38 mph for top speed. Overall it ok but it was by no means impressive for the hp. Looking forward to the four stroke and being able to get service when I need it.

[@bigham1jb]

My 1991 200 ProV spark plugs and water pumps in the last 20 years. My 2001 225 Opti, I think I am going to buy a parts donor with a smoked cylinder. Just incase! 😂 The 225 is probably still under 100 original hours.

[@Kenny-dd1fk]

Lol... you’re awesome 😂

[@MrPHATSPEED]

The old school is always the way to go! 2 stroke is awesome! Carbs are great. Just don’t run shit gas in them.

[@jeffreysmith350]

91 fast strike 175 still runs like a scalded ass dog! 😂 Parts are scarce though....

[@dang5553]

If it says OMC it’s pretty good. Now if it says BRP use caution Suzuki I know someone with an 85 and later a 140 Suzuki simple stuff plugs gear lube. Heard this story a guy bought offshore boat twin dt200 ran them like 10 years df200s where installed

[@levi_fishing]

What's you thoughts on flashing a hpdi?

[@TeamMarineService]

We aren't big fans of flashing anything in general

[@Lray4x4]

If you want your HPDI flashed contact Hydro Tech Marine in MO, best in the country when it comes to getting performance out of a Yamaha.

[@levi_fishing]

@TeamMarineService what's the negatives to doing this? I read alot of different things on this being good/bad depending whos answering. Is there a way to do it without ruining your motor?

[@Lray4x4]

@@levi_fishing Yes, no flash done correctly will ruin your motor.

[@paulsellars4394]

I’ve been watching your channel for a long time now and really appreciate the honest experienced reviews. Great work and Thank you! I have a 2015 150HO Etec on my Stratos. I agreed with you on the disaster Evinrude became with so many issues. Everyone I talk to about the 150HO say it’s the exception to the rule and the small blocks are pretty much bullet proof. Only issue I’ve had so far is a capacitor fail in year 2 (warranty) Nothing else. What’s your experience with that year/model. Would appreciate the feed back.

[@Trump985]

I wouldn’t call the Etecs junk. I worked for a boat rental company that ran them and they lasted 5,000 plus hours. We bought new engines every 3 or 4 years so I can’t say how long they are good for? I replaced one that had over 7,000 hours and still ran like a raped ape! We ran a few dozen of them and I never saw a powerhead failure. The charging system part of the ECUs, injectors and the occasional sensor went bad from time to time but nothing major. Compared the the Yamaha and Mercury 2 strokes we bought (you were lucky to get 2500 hours out of one of them before they blew a powerhead) these were great engines. Sure parts are an issue now and I certainly wouldn’t recommend anyone gets one today.

[@TeamMarineService]

What body of water were you on?

[@Trump985]

Massachusetts Bay and the surrounding waters.

[@jimrockford4309]

It was filtered virgin glacier water the only type of water that Evinrudes can thrive in. lol.......He has that Evinrude is bad mentality because of the FICHT years. Every brand he compared made good and bad shit but Evinrude constantly gets called out.

[@lucasmastin7070]

My faststrike is great

[@kevinflabouyfishing5739]

My HPDI WAS VERY PROBLEMATIC

[@MrNorm-lr5iv]

Fact: Japanese are fanatics, in all what they do, and It shows when it comes to high end quality.. Example: I’ve worked with Nikon technicians direct from their mainland on 4 year extended US visa’s. The training they receive from Nikon are equivalent to a 6 year masters degree. They are tested & retested on not just the scholar side of engineering theory but in practical hand dexterity in manufacturing, service & repair. Quality in production parts is like the air we breathe, a necessity that can’t be overlooked.

[@steviek242]

I didn’t get my merc underwear can u send me a one?

[@barrychouinard4019]

Huh, whaaaa, wait a second. I mean right up until the Mercs you're reviewing all the major outboards since carbs. You get to Merc and skip ta ma lou right on past the Vrod and don't even mention it?

[@longtimedirt6409]

Andy Andy Andy. You must live on a different planet than most. Dude I fish on average of 60 tournaments a year here in the southeast . I just don’t see all the problems with Merc that you see. I’m on the water 200 days a year around a lot of boats . I don’t see it dude. I don’t see problems with no manufacturer. Little hiccups now and then. No one will ever move merc from the #1 slot!

[@TeamMarineService]

The upper Mississippi river is harder on them we suspect. Sand, weeds, mud, wingdams, stumps etc. They are stacked up in every shop up here with new failure after new failure

[@TeamMarineService]

I completely understand I was a turnament fisherman once also never saw any brake downs but then I headed down this road and shit became REAL we get to hear see and flat out just smile at this appreciate the comment love it when we can get people to talk about this industry good bad or ugly all good for the Big Corps

[@lawman8877]

I dont see it either

[@j.d.saccociates3313]

Ive got 6 conehead seapros on my work boats, and maybe the seapro line is built better but ive had virtually no issues. I've lost one alternator, and one trim ram in 2000hrs, my boat run roughly 800hrs per year

[@DLPfishing]

You guys need to cut the crap out, all you have to do is attend an Elite or an opens tournament and you’ll see a line trying to get to the Merc trailer Lol they sound good cranking up but I wouldn’t trust one going across the street, my fishing buddy purchased a new one last year just last year and I promise you it’s been in the shop more than it’s been running we can’t even pre-fish unless take both boats it’s for sale best offer 250

[@Kyle-bb9zp]

The old outboards are better have a 25 Johnson 1969 runs good