Old Town AutoPilot Sportsman 136 (Why I wouldn't)

[@adamcoe8320]

I miss the days on KZbin where people gave honest reviews about products. I’ve seen a lot of videos on the autopilot and you can definitely tell who got one for free and who is holding back trying to get noticed. It’s refreshing to hear an honest review from someone that just wants to fish the most efficient way possible. I have to admit you had me rethinking my order till you got to the part who this kayak is for, the story about the couple that take them out together is where my wife and I fit. Keep doing you Man, love the videos. FYI I see those seat risers on there lol. 👍🥃🇺🇸

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

Hahaha. You see those seat risers. That will be the next video! You and your wife will enjoy it. I had a blast driving it around!

[@tryingtogetthere1653]

Well I don’t own one and I don’t fish big bodies of water but I’m do feel it’s to much money and a lot going on for a kayak. Wit that been said 2500 is still a lot but I was looking to get the old town sportsman 106 powered by minn Kota.

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

I like the 106MK. Simple design and easy to use.

[@dariend6368]

No matter how you feel about this review, this kid is spot on!!! Old town should be hiring him for manager of product and development for them!!! Period!!! If i owned old town, I'd be making this kid an offer he couldn't refuse!!!!! A realistic review is priceless!!!!! People get so caught up in branding and labels!!! This is the best real world review I've seen on this channel, in a long time!!!! Keep up the good work brother!!! I'll give old town my hard earned money when they fix the bad design quirks, you've mentioned.

[@RickSnowman]

these guys are the biggest supplier of after market parts for the old town line... hell Old town doesnt even have the stuff these guys do

[@RCRidgecrestQuality]

Old Town should value this review more than any other positive review

[@JakeHarshman]

Truth!

[@bryanstaten5585]

Yeah maybe instead of no Christmas card they should hire you for saltwater r&d.

[@michellewhite5752]

Thanks for the honesty, Nick. That’s a real big investment for some of us.

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

It’s pricey. That’s for sure. It’s been improved since this video was released.

[@ameliamarkarian1156]

I think this is a great, informative video. I just recently purchased the OT AP 136, but I wish I had seen this review before. You bring up a lot of interesting points. Since this was posted almost 2 years ago, I am hoping that Old Town used this as a way to make a better product for the consumer. I am a 70 year old mother of 7, and grandmother of 16. I spent most of my yearly allowance for this boat, and I am hoping that I won't be facing a lot of the issues that you talked about! I fish mainly on local lakes that are relatively small, so big waves will not be part of my daily fishing experience. I do fish 5/6 days a week, and the winds come up every day in the afternoon. Anyway, I am rambling on now, but again, I want to thank you for this video. I have watched a lot of your videos, and what I get from that is that you are passionate about developing good products that make our fishing experience a better one....thank you.

[@sheilacallicoat4398]

Question, I’m a 60 yr old female who is interested in the autopilot 136 as well. I would be suit for local lake fishing. How do you feel about it after using it?

[@elbobcat]

I know I'm late to the party but I find this review very refreshing and informative. The flaws you've pointed out are problems that should've been detected during the product development and test phase of the kayak and I hope that Old Town has taken to heart your comments. Old Town is still high on my list of contenders for a new kayak but I'll be sure to take a good look at whichever kayak I end up choosing to see if they've incorporated the changes you suggested. Thanks.

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment. Overall it’s going to be a good platform. Just needs some tweaking.

[@TampaBayDino]

"Fishablity" ....I'm not about marketing, I'm a fisherman...I'm about catching fish." Love it! Two thumbs up my man.

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

Thanks for watching, Dino.

[@russell937.]

Not for 4000 dollars I dont overpriced badly

[@robbiejohnson3698]

They should of put a lot more thought into this kayak it’s all about the Money

[@Tmfndlb]

Your honest opinion is why we respect you. Don’t stop doing you

[@seancurley7954]

Thank you for your honesty. Never compromise your values.

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

Thanks for watching, Sean.

[@sgbawg0]

I just bought this kayak, and even after 4 years, this review is spot on. Storage sucks. You can't access the hull to pump out water if you sprung a leak. At full flank, the kayak is pretty slow. And you don't have the flexibility of the PDL 120. WOuld I take this offshore, no. Do I regret my purchase, no.... but I would have thought that over the 4 years OT would have made some improvements to this hull given what was said here. These are low hanging fruit improvements that are long overdue.

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

Lots of little things they could improve on.

[@judokick9264]

I have one. I paid the full 4300 for it. Standing fishing is the only amazing part about it. Spotlock isnt really five feet and its slow as dirt. I almost wish I would have gotten a Hobie 360.

[@vinelandguy]

Some great points. Some silly as well. The cup holder holding water was my fav. Lets hope all the fish are not wet that you bring out of the water. I just started fishing Reds. No issues. Spot lock is not for "haulin' ass" and slamming into spot lock (glide, take your time). Water in the bow was not an issue until goimg into rougher water so.... Old Town offers half size scupper hole one way plugs and guess what, no water. Seat was a bit off but you guys sold me the risers. PERFECT NOW. I purchased this Kayak for freah water and to get where the Bass Trackers can't. I also made the purchase becuse $4000 is a great deal especially concidering it has an excellent trolling motor incorporated into the boat. Love, love, love this Kayak. Pin has yet to show any corrosion but hey, I sprayed it just in case. I belive if I ever do break a shear pin... I better have a prop as well. The motor is built so well I seriously doubt the pin ever shearing. I have plowed throuh lilly pads with no issues. Oh, i also got your floating wing nut. Two to be exact. Nice job again. Tracks in the back are for storage and tie downs. (lost of people like the Go Pro option) i am able to secure my crate, small cooler and live well and still have space for dry clothing/frog suit in case rain hits. If you don't have the money I get it, it's easy to jump on board with the negatives. Like all things, you can make adjustments and make the Autopilot a great experience. No Kayak is perfect but man, the one I have is just a soid, well built Kayak. Thanks for all your videos and keep on keepong on.

[@airbornesantos]

Thanks for the confirmation to info I got from a local owner. He had the same complaints as you presented here. Saved me some $$$$.

[@myislandhopper]

I have relocated. I miss watching you guys launch off the beach on my morning walks. When I paddle back to shore through the surf, I try to find an outflow so I can stay in flatter water and not get pushed from behind and turned. It does take some power and speed to succeed.

[@seanmercer6669]

I was skeptical about buying the autopilot after this review. However, after fishing out of it a few times I find this critique to be rather nitpicky. Of course it’s not perfect, but the Thing is awesome, especially fishing in current around structure the spot lock is amazing. I’ve hooked several large jacks and had no problem operating the remote and finessing them. Hobies are pretty heavy too, it’s a kayak, you’re going to get wet. Battery life is really good 90amp hour battery had me out there for 10 hours leaving me with 50% , motor was running most of the time on level 5 and spot lock. I can stand up and throw a cast net no problem especially with spot lock. I transport this car top on a Jeep cherokee and use a strap kayak cart to wheel it to a launch. I predominately do inshore nearshore fishing in south Florida.

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

Sean, I’m glad you enjoy the kayak. As a guy who has made a living taking people kayak fishing from all over the world and logs more time on the water in a month then most spend a year. I pointed out reason why it wouldnt work for what we do. I was hard on the kayak for a reason and I bet version two doesn’t have any of those issues.

[@LorenzoJ0]

Awesome review. Nice to see an honest review instead of all the sponsored videos I see with others.

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

Thanks for watching!

[@Rodbry70]

A pretty popular youtube fisherman here in the North Texas coast is a big fan of these and was one of those first people they called in to test them. He really raves about the 120 Autopilot so much that he sold his 2019 outback because this fishing platform suited his needs. After he had been fishing on it for a couple of months I got a chance to see it close up and just give it a quick inspection. And just like you mentioned that tool was rusted, the harness on the minn kota mount was rusted, screws were already rusting, and top speed was only about 3-3.5 miles an hour. I love the convenience of not having to paddle and the spotlock is great but if you get hooked up you have to stop to put it on. It spins in circles with the wind or a bull red takes you for a ride. And then its the extra weight of the battery. IDK, it just seems for the price point they have some work to do....ijs

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

I agree. For the price point they really need to work out the issues you mentioned. I had a few more things I didn’t like but I didn’t want to come off as the guy who was bashing the product.

[@Zzooomm]

I'm a new owner of an Autopilot 136 and your comments are spot on. Most of my complaints revolve around the motor. The mechanism for deployment is difficult to deploy and often will not retract without multiple attempts. The "washer" that retains one of the four shafts that secure the motor fell off with the first use. Two of the four shafts have snap rings and they should have utilized them on all four. There is a lot of slop in the mechanism and the left side of the chassis that the deployment rope connects to sits lower on the side the rope attaches creating binding of the pivot ball. Spot lock is a great concept but at times seems confused and chases its tail in a no wind situation. When disengaging Spot lock the motor turns to some random position sometimes requiring it be turned 180° to move forward. Using the controller at night requires a light to see the motor position. The tracks are useable but should be more substantial. The area behind the seat should have track as well. The battery box is is a pain to remove and it would have been so easy to include a mounted plug to connect a charger. Better yet, it should have included a 150 ah Lithium battery system optimized for the boat. Add a power buss up front to power fish finders. They have provided a hole for the transducer cable and a transducer mount. Why not give me a way to power it? I would say they cut too many corners. By far, the weakest link is the motor deployment mechanism. From the rope to the slop in the motor frame. I fear it will not stand the test of time! I also have a 106 and the throttle mechanism is easier to fish. The three retaining disks that lock the motor in place will not last. They are already showing looseness. The motor pivot shaft should been another inch longer. Looking forward to a trip to Florida to fish with you!

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

Spot on! I left several things out of the video because I didn’t want to come off as bashing the product. It’s a great idea but it wasn’t ready to go to market. For the asking price they should have done way more research and development in my opinion. I recorded video of the motor stuck in the down position when the rope was released. I had to bump the release bar to get the motor to lift. We are always around to fish!

[@shainebingham9310]

I’d rather have honesty, than appeasing to a company. Thanks for the honesty

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

Thanks for watching!

[@thomaslapointe4671]

Thanks Nick, Spot On "Call em like you See em" Brother, We all Appreciate !

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

Thanks for placing the order this morning, sir.

[@myronne26]

I hope old town fixes most of these issues soon, because it's a really nice kayka and I want to get one

[@garrydye2394]

I have this Kayak and I'm not mad at you. Can't really argue with the points you made. I'd rather hear your honest thoughts than " Yes, Old Town did send me this Kayak for free to review but I am going to give my honest thoughts...and I love it!" For 5K....most people will say those three words. I appreciate the honest review.

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

Garry, thanks for watching. Overall, I think it’s cool system. I look forward to version 2.0.

[@joeblackistone1126]

Glad to hear an honest opinion and not one that was based on how much free merchandise or sponsorships someone received.

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

Thanks for watching, Joe.

[@zachschultz3534]

I ordered one but my primary use for it will be trolling. For trolling i think its going to be an improvement over pedal drive. If i ever get it! Ordered in march. Your comments about the square back end do worry me about fishing big water. When those big rollers start pushing on your back end going with a following sea it might push you around

[@frankyterps]

I am almost purchased the Autopilot and after watching this it was a “no brainer” to go with the Big Water PDL for for the fishing I want to do! Thank you! A very solid, informative video that allows people to truly decide if this model is best for them without the smoke screen of marketing!

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

It’s a great platform, Frank. It’s not for everyone though.

[@frankyterps]

@@NavarreKayakFishing I agree, it is a great platform. I can see why people love it. My main concern with it was something going wrong with the motor and getting stranded. My friend works for the Harbor Police in Buzzards Bay, Cape Cod where I fish a lot. He told me that he had to tow in 4 kayaks in one day last week because the tide and winds became too strong for them to paddle.

[@kellyhand3895]

Nick. Like many others have stated, it is soooo refreshing to get an honest review from somebody on ANY product. I own a 2014 Hobie PA14. I am primarily a big water (Lake Fork/Chicamauga/Guntersville) fisherman. I, like probably many fishermen, saw this new spot lock gimmick and said, “Well, that’s cool!” But anyone forking out $4k for a yak, should be getting a Cadillac product. When I paid $2999 for my Hobie back in 2014, my wife nearly crapped herself. But the PA14 is a quality fishing platform that has stood the test of time and provided me with many, many safe and comfortable fishing hours. That said, I don’t know if I would pay the $4999 for the new PA14. The prices of yaks have gone through the roof with the rising popularity of yak fishing. I’m glad you had the principals and honesty to provide folks with a God Honest review that will possibly keep them from having to experience that crappy buyer’s remorse that many of us have experienced through the years.

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

Kelly, I appreciate the kind words. The entire goal of the video was to point out issues that are always overlooked. It’s a cool platform but it’s not built for everything! Prices of kayaks are crazy these days.

[@dirtbikerida63]

i was at my dealer the other day and was looking a this exact model, color and everything, on the show room and noticed the hatch next to the seat wouldn't open. i looked over at the guy who works there and just shrugged. the kayak is a cool idea that serves a niche market. i'll be real impressed when they make a hybrid electric/pdl model

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

I look forward to it as well, Mike. I wouldn’t mind a motor but it needs to work efficiently.

[@SwagyMadi]

Just saw on their website they have no plans for that. They don't want a model to be "ok" at both, they want two models to be great for what they were designed for.. 🤦‍♂️

[@golongle]

I like that you’re so unbiased. Keep it up.

[@darksidemachining]

Finally someone was honest about the paddling efficiency (like trying to paddle a barge). Had the cash money ready but will spend it on something else.

[@devilone8372]

Maybe a Hobie Pro Angler? :)

[@tjbarss7638]

Some of the issues you have with this kayak are easily fixed. The extra sheer pin can be placed in the water tight compartment next the seat. If you are going out into waves that have a chance to break the motor mount on the front of the kayak common sense says that a kayak probably isn't the safest thing to be in. the giant jet of water when you hit spotlock is easily avoided if you slow down before you hit you the spotlock button. As for the weight issue yes this thing is very heavy to move around but I bought a kayak cart that helps me launch it.

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

Tj, the video pointed out things that people failed to mention in their videos. (You know, those guys who received free kayaks and sign contracts to only say good things) The video was made so that no one on the coast would purchase it online (supply shortage during Covid) expecting perfection to realize it wasnt designed for the type of fishing we do in this area.

[@KpAtch3s]

@@NavarreKayakFishing I'm local to you and kept eye balling this kayak till I saw this video, so thank you. Helped narrow it down to the bigwater and the lynx.

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

Thanks for watching, Luke.

[@FishYourHeartOut]

Plenty of other kayaks out there that can and HAVE been in nasty rough water due to storms or current etc and handled just fine. the OT AP120 and Hobie 360 drive are both very expensive kayaks and have a ton issues for being 4-5K...

[@1NotAPony1]

I appreciate honest reviews like this. So many reviews are "it's great" without any explanation of why it's great. Often it's because they spent their money on it and want to believe it's great, or they are compensated to endorse the product. In this video you mention a problem, and explain why it's a problem. Like how the seat interferes with the opening of the waterproof compartment hatch. That's real, that's useful. Water collects in front of the seat because it isn't sloped towards the scupper holes. Again, something worth knowing. In aggregate, it seems like this kayak wasn't as well thought out as it should be. Hopefully the next generation will address some of the short comings.

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

Thanks for watching and commenting, Jeff. The goal is to point out issues so they can be improved.

[@kennylove188]

MANY VALID MINOR AND MAJOR CRITICALLY IMPORTANT CONCERNS, especially considering the cost of this kayak !

[@ChiCityYaker]

So I own a 136 as well and agree with you on most of the critiques on the yak like the cup holder holding water, the deck holds water, the side hatch not fully opening (although there’s a kit Old Town can send out to fix it I hear). It’s what I pointed out in my review video too. That said, IMO, nothing about this kayak screams “launch me from the beach/surf”. Why? Well for 1, as you pointed out, if you roll and the head of the trolling motor hits the bottom it’s game over! Also, the transducer is fully exposed! Why would anyone drag this yak anywhere? I think people have to look at this yak and treat it as a 1-man boat. Launch it from a marina/docks/boat launch where you can safely get in the water without rolling and not damage the transducer. I for sure think it’s primarily made for inland fishing but I can attest that it’s great for big waters, albeit freshwater, too as I primarily fish Lake Michigan for salmon/trout trolling. I think when it comes to salt it’s very different and probably not the best choice for those types of waters except maybe inshore/flats potentially. This is all just a matter of managing expectations with any kayak we get and knowing it’s limitations and identifying their best use.

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

Exactly. I don’t think it’s an all around terrible platform but it wouldnt work for me and that was the point of the video. If you could easily launch it in the area you planned to fish then I can see it being easy to troll and spot lock with. There were a few things I didn’t touch on in the video that I didn’t like but I didn’t feel like it needed to be said. I had fun driving it around!

[@ChiCityYaker]

@@NavarreKayakFishing should've just went all the way in and not held back lol curious if you'd share now what they are? I hear you tho, for your fishing its not really ideal and that's 100% viable, I get it. Maybe in future versions they will address these critiques cause you and me ain't the only ones that have pointed them out in review vids. I'd love to see the transducer covered for one and then it could be dragged around for instance.

[@georgediaz7877]

Thank you for the honesty. Every observation you presented is very visible in other videos. Old Town should thank you. I going to buy from another manufacturer. Thanks again.

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

George, Old Town produces a quality line of kayaks. We use them every day for our charter/rental business without any issues. This boat has its place but it wasnt built for every situation.

[@wallymedellin8743]

I appreciate your honest opinion. I was looking into a few different brands. This helps quite a bit. Very valid points you have.

[@chaguie07171959]

I am so glad you had the honesty of calling it like it is. An overpriced and extremely heavy kayak that is not for offshore fishing applications. Thanks for your honest and unbiased review. Two thumbs up. 👍👍

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

Thanks for watching, Santiago.

[@reinaldomoll]

I just purchased my first kayak, a 2019 Predator MK. I really like the built in motor concept and figured I would use it for a year or two to make sure I like kayak fishing. I was then going to buy a brand new Autopilot. Every video I’ve watched say that it’s the best thing since sliced bread! Thanks for keeping it real and pointing out some definite concerns. Maybe they’ll make some improvements in a couple years. Thanks again for an honest review!!!! You have a new subscriber.

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

Thanks for watching!

[@billywallace6735]

Thanks for the honest opinion. Opened my eyes to a few defaults that I didn't see.

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

Thanks for watching, Billy.

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

This video represents my opinion on why I wouldn't purchase or fish from the AutoPilot here in Northwest Florida. It's a cool platform and although it's not for me that doesn't mean it isn't for you. I refuse to sit on my hands and tell you how amazing something is if I believe it has issues. My goal is to inform you so that you can make an educated decision about your purchase.

[@catchandrelease6196]

I am a regular viewer because I appreciate your honesty and candid comments. Keep it up Nick.

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

Thanks for watching!

[@bradvestal3904]

They should let you design the next one. Since you know what you're talking about

[@joeygilkey2907]

Lol this is awesome. For some crazy reason throughout life as we know it on this great earth, people simply cannot handle honesty. I live my life every day being honest when asked and sometimes brutally honest and it rubs people all kind of wrong. Stay the course, stay honest and continue helping fishermen and fisherwoman enjoy fishing at its purest the way that it’s intended. The Auto Pilot isn’t for you but might be for someone else. Just like you said it’s your opinion and people should make their own judgment but you are just giving your feedback in ways that might help a novice lean another direction. Keep it up Nick...

[@jasonbowden7615]

Thank you for going against popular opinion and saying what needs to be said.

[@FMorgigno1]

Sooooooooo, I'm thinking Old Town isn't sending you a Christmas card this year???? Good, honest feedback.

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

I don’t think I will ever make it onto the Christmas card list lol

[@stevehogan8829]

I've got a Sportsman 106 powerered Kayak coming and I got no problem with your opinion on their Kayaks... It is what it is. Thanks for this vid...can't wait to see what you say. After listening to you I agree with what you are saying and I believe you started off right, they are not for everyone.. But there are lots of different people with different physical abilities and needs. I have no thought of taking the kayak off shore... Lots of inshore and lots of Freshwater. I don't agree with you on the Spotlock. You are going to have a hard time finding someone who doesn't like spot lock and no one in their right mind would not buy a spot lock yak and put in a power pole on it. My 106 will not have spot lock. . I'm one of those old guys like the couple you describe, ha. Not everyone is a 6 ft young buck..You made some very valid points and presented them well. I think there does seem to be some silly things like the tool and the pin, the cup holder and the way the area under the seat doesn't drain. I've seen those things mentioned from others. I am subscribed to your channel now. thanks for a great vid. Oh, and yes I have a Lithium Ion Polymer battery... weighs 14 lbs 12 volt 100AH and they are getting tremendous time and distance on the water. Lets hope OldTown watches this vid and takes some of this criticism constructively. Thanks again.

[@kevinclark485]

Thanks for keeping it real. Other issue is the hull design. It is a huge pontoon boat. The outer sides push so much water. Very inefficient and slow.

[@awdieee]

Those that got free autopilot from Old Town should look at your video, instead of pointing out all the pros of the boat. Me, I would gladly stick with my Hobie Outback with a Torqeedo 403. If something goes wrong with my 403, I still have my pedal drive.

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

I agree. If I’m going to relay on a motor and battery I want the ability to pedal.

[@JakeHarshman]

The thing is... The Pro Staffers that do speak against the product get written off the team. My case is an example of that

[@franciscopinero3692]

Great review man! You nailed it. You are asking very simple questions to the design team... and you did it in a calm, professional and honest way. I drive ships, and this reminds me when we, as operators of the navigation equipment are introduced with new navigation systems clearly designed by computer geeks who never sat in a conning chair... frustrating.

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

Very frustrating! Thanks for watching, Francisco.

[@MSmith-jf5wo]

I was "Nearly Sold" on buying this Kayak from a Dealer, but NOW I have reservations...! I already have 3 other kayaks, including a Native Watercraft Titan (Peddle Drive), and this would be my 4th Fishing Kayak. After watching your video, I DO have lots of "Reservations"...! Thank you So Much, for an Honest Review.

[@czwest7845]

Thanks Nick, For pointing the things i did not see for myself great walk through!!

[@dgatto8589]

I have 2 old town kayaks , the same one you commented on and I love the kayaks but agree 100% with you on what’s needs to be improved !

[@utube4christ]

Appreciate the honest review. All the amazing videos had me drooling but yours put me back on earth. Thanks again & tight lines.

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

Thanks for watching!

[@garyentz6392]

This just makes my decision to go with my Sportsman 120 PDL's...thanks for your honesty Nick. I am loving the versatility of our PDL boats and have picked up numerous items from your website also...Sparky's Outdoor Adventures is going to stick with PDL's which our clientele have been very impressed with...it saves us $$$ since we don't have to register the boats which would have been the case if we went with autopilots...although that darn 120 AP had me close to pulling the trigger as my lead guide boat.

[@martinkaldahl8712]

Extremely good points and I love the honesty.

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

Thanks for watching, Martin.

[@eyeofenigma2307]

I don't mind the negative opinons on the Kayak. It reinforces my decision that I really want this Kayak. Also, it helps to hear the negatives as you can get a better idea of what the flaws of this kayak are. But from what I've heard. The kayak battery (depending on brand and type of battery: lithium vs led acid) should last all day~ The registration for this kayak isn't expensive either, small fee. It doesn't break down as much as what the Hobie Pro Angler 14 has been known to. (That was my 2nd option) What sold me was the spot lock. I DO NOT want to spend my time adjusting while I fish a point, or a drop off, at a big lake while boaters are wizing by~ Those waves will move your kayak towards the shore, and I hate that. So spot lock shines here. As for shallow water, this yak can go up to 1 ft deep. So it isn't a big deal cuz most people are not gonna fish in less than 2~3ft of water dept. Small amount of water gets in. No biggie, your out on the water, can't expect not to get a little wet. Not enough storage, no biggie. Most kayakers own a crate or cooler, so the fact that this has a lot of back storage helps. Not as fast, no biggie there too. Im just going out to enjoy my morning or evening fishing. Patience is already key when fishing, so no rush in getting to a spot. Also, you can get far more accessories for this kayak than the hobie because the mounts on this yak are very universal and you can buy from many companies.

[@gary4645]

Glad to hear an honest opinion.

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

Thanks for watching, Gary.

[@kevinm.6565]

Thank you sir for your honest review. We need more honest reviews on YT instead of companies giving away free product in exchange for reviews that create marketing hype. I am hoping OT will design a motor to drop in the PDL drive hole that way we don’t have to buy a new kayak to have an electric motor.

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

Thanks for watching, Kevin.

[@paules0099]

I concur! When I was weighing all that Old Town offered, it just sounded so good! Then it came to price. $4000.00 for a kayak that is made of plastic! That's why I settled for the feel free 11.5 V2 that has the motor and peddle drive together for $2399! That kayak has served me well and I can reserve my battery by using motor to get to my spot and come home. While fishing, I use the peddle and paddle to get to spots around the lake, rivers, ponds and streams. I would NEVER take a kayak on the ocean, it's just not that safe for me. I'd rather rent a boat for that.

[@BOAExplore]

Dec 10 2021.... THANKS... I been thinking to get this exact old town autopilot for a few weeks now. I was at a kayak fishing tournament last weekend in Crystal River and I did not see any of these on the water. It got me thinking. I appreciate your review. It's a nice looking kayak but the issues you pointed out are very valid. Definitely rushed to production. Hopefully they fix those issues you pointed out. I will wait....... I work in surgery and it's exactly the same issue in the Operating Room (OR) Whoever designed the OR has never worked in an OR, I see that everyday of my life.. So irritating. #oldtownautopilot

[@trevorsmart844]

THANK YOU for being a straight shooter and giving an honest opinion. The kayak fishing industry is full of people who do the exact opposite.

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

Very true, Trevor. It’s been painful to watch happen and I’ve had enough of it.

[@charlesfortier2702]

Thanks Nick for your honest opinion. I think OT needs your expertise in designing a fishing kayak. It’s really great to have someone with your experience that’s willing to share it. Be safe! Charley Fortier

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

Thanks for watching, Charley.

[@Palouseweaver]

Thanks for your honesty. We’ve been researching which fishing kayak to buy and this kayak is a lot of money. You’ve given us some good points to think about. Thanks.

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

Thanks for watching, Judy.

[@stevehogan8829]

Hey Nick...I'm only slightly sensitive cause I got the 120 AutoPilot. I have emphysema and cannot peddle or paddle for extended periods. I'm OK for brief exertion..Kayak in Kayak out, but as far as paddeling or peddeling for 30 or 40 minutes, I just can't do it. The world is a sphere of course but it would be long time to blow back home. lol What I would really have liked is the 106 with spot lock. I tood the front seat out of my van and the 106 would fit completely inside with the hatch closed. That would be sweet. As it is I stick out a little less than 1 1/2 feet.. I can load kayak with wheels on and hatch open... Works well getting kayak on the cart after fishing is the only tough part. But I am having a blast. Thanks Nick. appreciate the opinions and your gear. Keep on plugging.

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

Steve, the AutoPilot is a great kayak and it’s going to serve you and a ton of others well. My goal was inform the people who thought launching it in the surf daily was going to work out well. I didn’t want to see anyone get hurt or damage that super expensive fishing machine. Unfortunately, most of KZbin is full of hype and the first month or so of videos failed to point out a single issue because Old Town gave a ton of people free kayaks.

[@stevehogan8829]

Yep would not want to take it out from the beach or into the ocean. Can be tough enough inshore back water bays on windy days.

[@marklewis3436]

Thank you Nick for sticking with your opinions! Great good. and bad review!

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

It’s a cool platform and it has its place. It will work for some but it’s not for me.

[@marklewis3436]

Navarre Kayak Fishing | Florida Kayak Fishing Exactly and that’s why true opinions matter to everyone!

[@JohnLong02245]

Do your research before buying. Excellent review that points out some of the issues you want to know about when researching a purchase of such value.

[@reelingwithryan9075]

The main reason I went with the PDL120 is because the autopilot is so slow. I can drop my xi3 on the bow and have spotlock and more speed. Only downside to the pdl is I can only fit one black pak, only about 25 pounds of tackle and a max of 12 rods.

[@TJ-vo7us]

Thank you for your honest opinion I was thinking about buying one but I think I will wait to see if they do some improvements on it

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

I think they will make some improvements and I look forward to it.

[@TheFishingMommy]

Man, this is a REALLY good review. It seems almost shocking to find a completely honest review! Just found your channel today and I liked this video so much I smashed that subscribe button 😀

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

Thanks for watching and subscribing.

[@LowellFrancisco]

Me too.

[@cobbs]

I appreciate your integrity, telling it like it is. My fishing style is kinda like yours: surf launches, offshore, big game. So I would never get this kayak. However, if I ever go back to bass fishing, this would be my kayak. Not interested in getting a bass boat, but this would be perfect for my needs.

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

Cobbs, thanks for watching. It’s cool kayak and I could see it being useful in a number of situations.

[@jedediyahaaronyisrael7118]

You have my respect. Everything you pointed out was spot on.

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

Thanks for watching!

[@fishunterhvac]

I was going to buy this end it up buying the OT 106 mk i think for my fishing style will work better for me lighter and i got me a lithium 100ah i can't wait going back to what i love doing during my younger years!

[@johnparker8259]

I'm glad you at least point out the negatives so people can make their own decisions as to whether this kayak is something that can serve their purpose. A lot of reviewers just fluff everything. It's a lot money for a kayak and it would be nice to be perfect but reality is none are perfect.

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

John, I agree. None of the kayaks are perfect and they all have pro’s and con’s. Thanks for watching!

[@kreigadkins]

You are so right about everything, I think they should have kept the flagship Predator PDL and focused on redesigning the back to add a Minnkota. Many guys have done a great job customizing a hand controlled MinnKota to fit the back of kayaks controlled with foot peddles, that would have been useful for those long treks to your fishing hole. But I would not want to give up the control and stealth of my PDL, having both options would have made a great fishing kayak. They missed the boat on this one.

[@mikehughes3313]

Thank you for a honest review I have been looking at that kayak for the money I think I’m just gonna go with a bass boat

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

Thanks for watching, Mike.

[@user-id8ng9eq9h]

Great real life review. As they say, every boat is a series of compromises. I think you clearly say what it’s probably good for and what it isn’t good for.

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment.

[@rafaelgonzalez8499]

Great video, honest video, we needs more videos like this one. Really helpful. God bless you!

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

Thanks for watching, Rafael.

[@theupstateangler]

I believe you single handedly just convinced me to keep saving for the PA14.... Great points and awesome video..!!!

[@bigwater_outdoors]

Just get the Bigwater 132 pdl

[@theupstateangler]

@@bigwater_outdoors too late 2021 PA14 in the garage...

[@devilone8372]

I'm a Hobie Pro Angler fanatic and fish mostly in saltwater. Just watched a 120 review video and have many questions regarding the features their usability/functionality. I was planning for a demo but don't think it's necessary after watching your review. Thanks for your honest review.

[@Noneya-z8j]

Very minor issues. I have one and I’ve owned over 20 different kayaks. It’s the best I’ve owned hands down. You’re missing the big picture over small concerns.

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

I make a living catching quality fish from the kayak with clients from all over the world. I’m not missing the big picture. You need a kayak that’s efficient and well thought out. We will have different opinions but I assure you mine isn’t based on leisurely days on the water.

[@sashabelov566]

I got both autopilot 136 and pro angler 14 with bow xi3. I think they are both the best money can buy

[@EliasVFishing]

Great explanation. I as well care about one thing - catching fish. What’s your opinion on using this for a “relaxed” version of trolling for spanish/kings along the beach. I’m not sure my lady is up for doing an 8 hour day with me in another Predator. Is it practical to run lures/baits for a full day affair to get into macks? Or would you still stick with the Predator? As someone that fishes a lot as well, would you still pass this up to be more relaxed after two really long days out front?

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

Elias, My biggest three concerns are moving it across the beach, launching/landing, and flipping it back over if anything bad happen. As far as trolling/cruising around it would be pretty darn awesome and I’m sure my legs would appreciate the time off. The first three concerns plus the battery needing to be charged following every trip is why I’m sticking to the Predator. I know you understand how much prep work goes into to fishing every single day. The Predator requires a few less steps for me.

[@EliasVFishing]

@@NavarreKayakFishing 100% with you on the launch & landing. I do have the lucky mega smooth inlet launch available that skips the worst step imaginable for this kayak, and it's the only reason I am even considering adding it to my fleet.

[@flintriverkayaking7051]

Thank you for saying it brother!

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

Thanks for watching!

[@pfd161]

you, sir, just saved me 4k. I was in the market and ready to pull the trigger. Will go with a Predator PDL or back to Hobie Outback with a trolling motor. Much appreciate your honesty. From Maine.

[@ek91project]

I agree. I dnt have time to be pressing buttons fighting fish, especially around dock. I really want this yak but this review is great. Little thing like water in the cup holder is a no no. Water on the deck, def hell no. I want to stay as dry as possible and have my stuff as dry as possible. Is there a pedal drive option? I would like to have pedal as reserve in case the bat does. I paddles 7 miles back on a rough day because my trolling motor died, Its exhausting !

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

There’s no option to pedal the AutoPilot.

[@stevehogan8829]

OK, I'm back again. It's August 4th. I about stroked out in June. Weight of the 120 trying to reload after 5 or 6 hours baking in the sun was kicking my butt. That Hobie Lynx is looking better and better. Gotta figure out a workable way to drop a trolling motor with steering in that thing. That would probably double the number of times I get out and fish.

[@Pa14kayakfisherman]

Thank you for an unbiased opinion, that means a lot these days. After you start pointing stuff out I am like yeah, this kayak is really not designed for the fisherman. In California you would have to register it and pay that every year as well, another reason I like pedal drives.

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

It’s hard to beat a quality pedal drive.

[@andrewmoe1192]

Thank you for a no bullshit review!!

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

Thanks for watching, Andrew.

[@andrewmoe1192]

@@NavarreKayakFishing I'd love to hear your thoughts on the sportsman 106 pdl. Keeping in mind im more of a fresh water guy.

[@74lgd]

Great insight! You could have saved someone a lot of money. I know it definitely opened my eyes. You have to get passed all the glitz and glamour sometimes and get down to the basics. Thanks, Budd. Tight lines.

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

Thanks for watching, Luis.

[@tonno1616]

Everyone says there opinion is there own and getting a free boat doesn’t effect that opinion but they never criticize the free product. Not you brother! Thanks for that I was looking this as an option for my next yak. Some of the thing you pointed out you don’t notice on demo only after a couple trips. So thanks

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

Thanks for watching. It’s super easy to fall in love with an item while demoing it. Happens all of the time!

[@mrb401]

Great points from someone who’s actually fished out of one. It sounds like the 106 MK may be the better buy in regard to their MK offerings. Comparing both current builds at least... No autopilot on the 106 but same 45 lb thrust mk with less moving parts, easier operation and a true front hatch. This is a good example of why one might skip a 1st gen production of something. Let them work out the kinks and wait for the 2nd gen Man, TY for this. 👍🏻

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

Thanks for watching!

[@74CreativeDesigns]

Thank you for the honest opinion.

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

Thanks for watching.

[@randypannell2509]

Really appreciate the thought out realistic review you did on this kayak. No reason to argue with the facts. Points well taken. I did get the Sportsman MK 106, lighter weight and for my particular use at my age of 70 the MK makes a great help to me to get out and back. Have had number of paddle kayaks and Native peddle kayak but issues arose with leg and hip issues to peddle so much. Keep up the good info.

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

I’m a big fan of the 106MK. I’m considering picking one up to fish out of this winter.

[@BallisticSamFishing]

Man I bought a 120 PDL after fawning over the autopilot for a year. All the things you said are dead on. For what I paid for the PDL it came with ZERO track mounts in the back like who the hell at OT thought that was a good idea really. So I had to add the yakattack rails. Other than that I can’t find a complaint about the 120 PDL. And I cannot I want to add a motor to this per One Objective BF. So this is a 3 for one yak that can be configured into what ever I need for the day. Just makes more sense to me. Also I’ve added most of. It all of your upgrades to it already and thank God I hated the steering knob that it came with.

[@steelhead7665]

Writing a comment after , no comment for 10 month ?... not sure has value , though couldn't resist not to. I DON"T owe a kayak of any sorts. Honestly , I kayaked ( Is this a word ?) ONCE in my lifetime, and I'm not young. Why . Im writing a comment, then ? Not knowing anything about kayaks. Because, Your review taught me more than reading a textbook about kayaks. I enjoyed the tone of it. No fake acting .Basic , genuine observations from a guy that knows what he is talking about . Very constructive criticism . I may buy a kayak after I watch more of your reviews, Who knows? So ' I'll visit again Excellent job, Congratulations, from a NON KAYAKER

[@willbrewer3802]

Great video brother. Thanks for pointing out different issues. Like you said it definitely has its place and was built for a specific purpose. Like always we all enjoy honest reviews. keep up the hard work.

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

Thanks for watching, Will.

[@coffeehunter8742]

Thanks for your honesty, explanations, and effort to help others with this video. Well done. 👍

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

Thanks for watching!

[@coffeehunter8742]

@@NavarreKayakFishing -you're welcome! My wife and I are in Navarre. Love it here. This video educated me on some important things to consider & look for when making my purchase. ..bad thing is, there are So many out there!, the Good thing is, there are So many out there! Lol. Your thought process & experience, and willingness to be Very open, specific, and thought provoking, probably saved me and many others, a lot of frustration & dollars! Thanks! -new Subscriber 👍

[@bo5258]

I own one and happy with it; having said that : all the comments are spot on , some disclaimers : extra scupper plugs help with water inside kayak extra cost tough, hit submerged log with the fin the motor popped out of hinge as supposed to no damage at 3 mph , wilderness system cart works great with it- if one trip fully loaded pushing from the back works wonders , transporting on the pickup with bed extender can launch both ways from the bed and the cart, if you wan to take full advantage of it renogy 170 amp lithium battery is a must cost is astronomical but if you can afford the "platform" …… will come back home with 1/4 of it after full day of heavy use , steady 4mph at level 10, 3 mph at 8, hands free fishing- Bluetooth micro remote on wrist band i know extra cost , my biggest complaint : NO instant REVERSE & shouold have reinforced back for 2.5 hp outboard adapter ( no longer a mediocre skiff ?) , OR MAYBE I JUST DO NOT KNOW ANY BETTER OR DIFFERENT :) TRUTH ALWYS HURTS thanks for speaking it . no matter what : still better than boat , I will spend more time fishing it than waxing ::)

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

Bo, you make several excellent points. It’s not a terrible platform and it’s useable. Some people will love it and use without any issues. Moving it across a parking lot with wheels or unloading it next to the water will be easy. Pushing that thing across 100 yards of sugar sand will be entertaining to witness. I have fun driving it around it just wouldn’t provide an efficient every day platform where/ how I fish.

[@chriswilliams4342]

Bo, what type of 70 amp hour battery are you running? when you say all day are you talking 8,10,12...hrs? i live in Vermont so some of the concerns do not apply and some I have thought of . I would like the pedal drive for the instant control but a motor for long runs and spot-lock. also i have not seen a better standing platform is that your take? standing is important to me.

[@bo5258]

@@chriswilliams4342 Hi this is 170 amp renogy for solar systems will fit in the box just the top. Cover bit loose ,. Need to. Change battery terminals on cables tto the size of 1/2 For 8 awg wire full day 8 hrs shop for price i got mine for 1285 worth every penny standing up : first time ever for me 2 he into fishing for the first time comfortable there is new you tube video showing two guys on it one siting one standing in the back freely

[@chriswilliams4342]

Bo thank you for the reply.

[@eddiewatson7192]

I love true honesty regardless of other people's opinions including mine.Keep being real

[@William-Bill-Munny]

I know this is an old video but its worth saying anyway - thanks for the real world review. For now I will stick with my old school Big Game Prowler, my very old fish finder and tons of storage inside the hatch underneath my legs - its beyond the expiration date and long in the tooth - but its set up how I like it for a day on the water with plano containers and lunch. Thanks again for the honest perspective.

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

Thanks for watching, Robert.

[@sonnygoode6553]

Thank you for being honest. I’m in the market for a quality new yak and you have just helped me to eliminate this yak.

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

Thanks for watching, Foster.

[@averageeverydayfishermansh4501]

Drop the honest opinion and stand tall. No shame in that game!! --Brent

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

Thanks for watching, Brent.

[@mikeinnj4424]

Average Everyday Fisherman Show couldn’t agree more. The more you hear someone say honest the more they are reinforcing a lie. Just my experience. I believe you review because of the way it was presented first with ur assessment then the real world application and subsequent results. Keep up the good work!

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

MikeinNJ thanks for watching, Mike.

[@derekbushnell1309]

Maybe they will use your constructive thoughts about it and make the next run better. Thanks for the great and honest review.

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

Thanks for watching, Derek.

[@bradleyjanusey9665]

What’s sucks about the old town kayaks is the rod holder track they make the track so thick and cheap it dose fit any rod holders but the water goes through the holes same with the back

[@bradleyjanusey9665]

What do u recommend for a rod holder for the track

[@troytandy8184]

Great video... I am supposed to pick 136 auto wed but now thinking a PA 14 may be more for me as I like to offshore in northern california.

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

Both are great platforms. It just comes down to your needs.

[@stevehogan8829]

Hahahaha, Still fighting the 150 lb beast, the 120 AutoPilot. Lots of health issues since last year and this sucker had me sitting in the van with heat exhaustion last week. Stupid not enough water, 6 hours in direct sun. I couldn't load it. Needed help... Next time more liquid, Fewer hours in Sun. I know you don't recommend it but that 72 lb Compass is looking mighty good for as little as I fish. Only out once a week and need something for the heat and when I'm not feeling perfect. The Quest. First thing I did was rount that seat back support line through the webbing fold so it's not in the way of that storage flapping door. Works but... .

[@NavarreKayakFishing]

I’m sorry to hear that, Steve. Compass will serve you well!