would love to own one of those subies. omgosh its sooo clean!
@fastinradfordable4 жыл бұрын
Zach Reynolds Even the Mona Lisa is falling apart
@student81654 жыл бұрын
Yo, Ive a mitsubishi gt3000 and it have a better awd than the newer. Mecanical is better than electronic and the newer ones is more weak than the old ones.
@gjo594 жыл бұрын
I had an '84 GL with the "big" 1.8L, 2 speed transfer case (2wd/4H/4L), manually adjustable ride height, and factory skid plate. Subies have gotten "softer" ever since.
@WorldRallyFamily4 жыл бұрын
I owned 2 GL4wd 1.8 wagons 😎 let's remake that car
@alaskaraftconnection-alask33974 жыл бұрын
Remember??? "Inexpensive and built to stay that way"
@valentinorossi77714 жыл бұрын
Honda used to say " we make it simple" but that is no longer the case.
@ShmuelWeintraub4 жыл бұрын
As the (former) owner of an '07 2.5 I can say that they have now taken completely the opposite tack - Expensive and built to stay that way.
@24Bryce4 жыл бұрын
Cheap and ugly does it
@richardkafka56254 жыл бұрын
Love the look of the old school Subaru even now! And if given the choice, I'd take it over the new one. Cheaper to maintain, manual trans, true 4wd, just Iconic! It was different from everything else. Can't say that these days.
@richardkafka56254 жыл бұрын
@@costaet Ford Escape, Honda CRV, Mazda CX-5, Acura RDX, Porsche Macan. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with the newer Subaru's. I just prefer the styling and simplicity of the older ones. Just my opinion.
@omegalamda31454 жыл бұрын
Hey old guy in Car Connections: I owned a 1978 Subie DL manual 4x4. Drove it through college and had it when married until it hit 350K miles. Like I told your Dad who seems to have a grudge. The only descent newer Subie is the Crosstrek 6-Speed. I’ve a 2019 and blow past Rams and other power trucks in very heavy Mi snow. 18” to 30” . At lights and cornering the lumbering Rams and Tacomas are not nearly as nimble. If the rear end begins to come around on a 25 mph right turn I just hit the clutch it straightens up and either power on in 2nd or 3rd. All the unnecessary mass of these automatic Trucks there only manageable in a straight line. Unless know how to drive a Subie stick with your happy assed minis. Ps I also own a 2006 A3 6-Speed . It’s all about powers to weight ratio and a high driving skill set. The dude driving his new Outback was whining like an old woman. Your son seemed to realize the point I was making about manual vs automatic trannies. So give it up when you bash Subies kids. You sound like you live in gated communities an someone used the pool late at night! Hey Pops, develope some character and a bit integrity, This is a country of diversity these day. Your personality is so milk toasty!
@vr47874 жыл бұрын
Subaru: Andre, I know our tagline is Love, it’s what makes a Subaru a Subaru, but you don’t need to hug us. Andre: Do you want a hug? Subaru: Yes
@silverioarroyo59684 жыл бұрын
You guys should try a manual crosstrek. I feel it's more of a proper successor to the DL than anything else. Manual 6 speed with a low 1st gear.
@dannytse87674 жыл бұрын
You're right. Watch this Subaru commercial kzbin.info/www/bejne/kImvpHVsqKZ6os0
@1OTDM4 жыл бұрын
They are discontinuing the manual, and the cvt really does suck for anything beyond a dirt road. Such a shame, especially since the new sport trim got the larger engine.
@SlightReturn6663 жыл бұрын
I own a 2013 OB stickshift, which I believe was one of the last ones offered, and I agree with you that 1st gear is too tall for much offroad use. For that matter, so is reverse -- it's gotta be the highest reverse gearing of just about any car! Wierd. The Crosstreks do seem like good cars although the seats aren't terribly comfy.
@Desertfox923084 жыл бұрын
I had a new 80's GL wagon with the high/low 4wd transmission. The spare was still under the hood! Took that thing to Lake Tahoe for ski trips many times 👍
@leightonmann4 жыл бұрын
Love that old station wagon! I had one the same color but a few years newer with the Low range option that I used many times to rescue Jeeps.
@jmpjose14 жыл бұрын
Just wanted to let you guys know. That your channel just went up in value for displaying that beautiful classic piece of Japanese Engeniering 👌
@dxbmick4 жыл бұрын
Be interesting to see how the Outback performs when it's 42 years old. I suspect the CVT would have been turned to burnt toast years before then.
@michelt43904 жыл бұрын
Never-mind the CVT, all the electronics and sensors will have long given up the ghost.
@jacobmoses37124 жыл бұрын
In Australia, the 100,000 km (about 60,00 miles) service includes an overhaul of the CVT transmission and it will cost about $6000
@dxbmick4 жыл бұрын
@@jacobmoses3712 My sons 2015 Outback has done 200,000km. All services as per Subaru Australia manual. Nothing over AU$600 per service. Not sure where you got that figure or milage?
@michelt43904 жыл бұрын
@@jacobmoses3712 That's just plain crazy!
@sblagg5274 жыл бұрын
@@michelt4390 That's because it's completely untrue.
@andyf16934 жыл бұрын
Wow, what a treat. Tommy really took it to the limit with the old one. And that air filter is the size of a spare tire!!
@paulallison66894 жыл бұрын
Nah...he barely scratched the surface of what those lil ol' Subbie DL's were capable of!
@2003rubi4 жыл бұрын
I had the '82 GL Wagon with the "3rd eye" and we used it for TSD rallies. It ran great in the mountain trails of BC. Never an issue. I miss my old goat.
@patrickberkery88544 жыл бұрын
I had 82 GL wagon too. Loved it. Went anywhere. No problem
@manthony2254 жыл бұрын
The spare tire in the engine bay was advertised as a safety feature back in 70's and 80'. Supposedly it was there for front-end crash protection.
@fastinradfordable4 жыл бұрын
Because of the tire in front: the old Vw beetle had better front crash ratings than a Vw rabbit
@ericl29694 жыл бұрын
Sounds very fishy to me, like maybe an urban myth. There was nothing in front of the tire but the air cleaner and empty space (since the engine was lower than the tire), so the front end of the car would have needed to be compressed all the way back to the centerline of the front axle before the spare tire came in contact with anything solid from its front side. Significantly more compression of the body would need to occur beyond that point before the tire would be pushed back very much into the firewall, which probably would fail before the tire itself did, and by that point, there wouldn't be much left of the front body to compress. I never recall hearing anything about this as a "safety feature", but stranger things have happened, I suppose. Do you have a link to old ads or literature which would verify this? That would be interesting to see!
@DinukaD4 жыл бұрын
Nope, because spare tire in the front, fuel tank was able be located at higher position under the floor. That's an advantage for higher ground clearance.
@inerlogic4 жыл бұрын
At first i wondered how engine heat would affect the spare.... but... that's such a tiny engine.....
@rangersmith46524 жыл бұрын
It was installed there because that's where it fit.
@jacobberlin6144 жыл бұрын
Great to see the old roo off-road!! Be safe & godspeed gentleman
@grimreaper36204 жыл бұрын
Jacob Berlin (Godspeed)is this Captain Kirk.😉
@coryernewein4 жыл бұрын
I love Andre and his sense of humour...hug test lmao
@marcelfotomoto4 жыл бұрын
The Kimi Raikonnen of car reviewers.
@ST2theEphen4 жыл бұрын
"This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen on any automotive program. What are we proving here...?" best quote. Woot Subi I have a 2002 outback LLBean edition baby!
@Treeplanter734 жыл бұрын
In the 80's you'd see tons of AMC Eagles come out only in winter here in Wi.
@dzelpwr4 жыл бұрын
My great grandfather (who passed away about 20 years ago) had one at a hunting cabin in the U.P.. I was never up there while it was snowing, but there was a pretty gnarly, rutted road I remember being on when we visited for fun in August (not hunting season, but we did get to do some fishing... and battle massive flies, mosquitos and ticks). Lifted, AWD and relatively compact station wagons are a great package.
@markmalinowski59514 жыл бұрын
@@dzelpwr I'm in the UP and there's still a few left... problem is rust killed most of them.
@dzelpwr4 жыл бұрын
@@markmalinowski5951, yep, it eventually gets virtually every car in Michigan. Hard to escape. I've been giving California a try the last few years, I'm continually astounded at the 30+ year old vehicles still being used as daily drivers here. Even more astounded when I get under them to work and there's a complete lack of rust on underbody suspension bolts, brakes etc. It really is a whole other world out here. Stupid expensive to be here, but man does it make turning wrenches so much easier and efficient. Back to the topic at hand, having an off roader in this state is great. There's plenty of awesome mountain trails to go on to get away from the masses. The weather and the scenery are the primary redeeming qualities here. I'll leave the massive population and talk of local politics out of this discussion, though.
@michelt43904 жыл бұрын
That was my very 1st car! 1986 Eagle Wagon... Loved that thing, pretty reliable, other than the front end bushing needing to be replaced every 50,000km
@WildernessGuyBC4 жыл бұрын
I love my AMC Eagle woody wagon. It would be interesting to see it being tested alongside these.
@altrock864 жыл бұрын
Old one all day. Looks cooler, doesn’t have a cvt, has 4wd, is lighter, has a full size spare.
@dieselgeezer184 жыл бұрын
and it has manual transmission which is way more fun
@benpinter19884 жыл бұрын
Pre-CVT era subarus are the best. Some EU and JDM versions even came with a low range transfer case with a viscous center lock.
@Vegablade4 жыл бұрын
US had dual range transmissions as an option on almost all pre 90 Subarus.
@procrastinator18424 жыл бұрын
Running a custom ratio AWD dual range here with 12kgf centre diff ;)
@andrechristiansen21614 жыл бұрын
yeah i got a 99 EUDM impreza with a 1,6 and the dual range 5 speed manual and oh boy is that lowrange a really neat thing to have, i also found it useful for backing up slowly lol
@procrastinator18424 жыл бұрын
@@andrechristiansen2161 I fitted the L series low range gears in my 2003 EJ d/r gearbox and its my favourite thing ever. I also fitted a centre diff that has 3x the torque transfer. You can put it in gear, let the clutch out and it will crawl away up a hill lol. I even open the door and get out while it's moving and let it crawl up the road for a laugh. I use low all the time, off road, hill starts, peak hour traffic, reversing, reversing with a trailer...so sad that Subaru has totally ditched those cool gearboxes.
@BruceHoult4 жыл бұрын
Yup, I had a 1997 Legacy Lancaster Grandwagon (aka early Outback) with dual range manual transmission which I sadly sold 13 months ago when I moved from NZ to USA. Possibly a mistake because I'm back again (which I didn't expect). But there's a fully loaded 2008 Forester XT (automatic :-( ) for sale nearby that I might pick up.
@karpen0424 жыл бұрын
That comment about Subaru in CO is totally accurate. I moved here when I was 30 and I saw more Subaru vehicles my 1st day in CO then I had in my previous 30 years combined.
@rallysauruswrex4 жыл бұрын
That old Subaru is soooo clean!! Please do more offroad videos with it :)
@mehGyver4 жыл бұрын
We had a Subaru Brat back in the 80s. So much nostalgia!
@williamborges39144 жыл бұрын
After owning a great BMW 1600 and a POS Saab 99 in the late '60s and early '70s I rolled the dice and bought two 1978 FWD Subies when no one except CR and a bunch of crazy Montana cowboys knew what they were. CR was already reporting their outstanding reliability. Whereas, on a trip to Montana and remarking that Subies were everywhere, I asked: "what gives?". The aforementioned crazy -- and definitely racist -- cowboys growled:. "it's the only G-D J@p car that can stand-up to a Montana winter". With those kinds of unvarnished endorsements the purchases were no-brainers. The Subies lasted so long we were able to save up for our first house. Thanks, Subaru!
@Maalt4 жыл бұрын
What can you tell about your Saab 99?
@williamborges39144 жыл бұрын
@@Maalt I'd love to tell a glowing story about what a wonderful car the Saab was. But, I can't. In 1974 I lived on California's scenic North Coast, which means lots of two-lane twisty roads in the rain. I needed something a little more sure-footed than my terrific 1969 BMW 1600, which was nearing the end of its service life. So, I took a chance on a new 1974 FWD 4-speed Saab 99E. The car was a little more powerful and certainly more stable on the road. Its safety features for the time were also attractive, as were some of the quirkier design ideas. It was also a little larger and therefore more comfortable than the somewhat utilitarian Beamer. However, that’s where the advantages started and ended. You would think with what I’m about to say I am a car slob who never services or washes his machines. Worse, yet, that I’m the kind of guy who would leave a machine out in the elements. So, as a result, I deserved what happened with the Saab. Oh, contraire! Saturday mornings are for automotive preening and missing a scheduled maintenance is tantamount to spousal abuse. Garages are not storage spaces, they are shrines. In the less than 3 years I had the car, the exhaust manifold cracked twice, but only once during the short warranty. Those Swedes were no dummies in regard to the financial risks posed to them by long warranties. It went through brake pads like toilet paper and the OEM replacements squealed like slaughtered pigs. The interior ventilation fan died with great frequency. It was a little Electrolux gem that cost a lot more than the monthly car payment. And, of course, it was in a nearly impossible-to-reach location meaning extra labor charges for replacement. It needed frequent tune-ups back in those plugs-and-points days. For a week after a tweaking the car ran like a champ. Then, it was back to its oh-hum self. The exterior chrome bits discolored into dazzlingly exotic colors. Being cars designed, spec’d and built in Sweden Saabs were never intended for climates where temperatures ever rose above 60 degrees Fahrenheit. On warm days - oh, say about 80 degrees - the vinyl covering on the dashboard would peal up exposing the particleboard underneath. The front cloth seat coverings tore away from the vinyl headrests the day after the warranty expired, of course. Despite it all, though, I kept thinking I’d keep the car until it was paid off. That is until one morning I went out to the garage to start it up. That’s when one of those aforementioned quirky design ideas came into play and convinced me it was time for the Saab to go. For whatever reason Saab’s engineers thought it was a great idea to put the keyed ignition switch on the floor between the driver’s and front-passenger’s seats. It may have looked cool in some kind of aircraft design way. But, it was the perfect place to collect any crud or grit that might be dropped by the occupants despite weekly vaccuumings. So, I hopped in and turned the key to the “start” position. Oh, it started! However, the ignition switch wouldn’t return to the normal “on” position. The starter motor kept on cranking while I frantically opened the hood to detach a battery cable. Of course, that was the morning after I reorganized the tools and couldn’t remember in the panic where exactly I put the necessary wench. By the time the battery was disconnected the starter motor was smoking and the control computer was fried. Fortunately, I had already taken that trip to Montana and had been researching Subarus. So, I knew exactly what to do. AAA hauled the deceased Saab’s carcass to the nearest Subie dealer that very morning. I returned home later that afternoon the proud owner of a 1978 5-speed FWD station wagon that lasted years and years . . . and cost nearly nothing to maintain!
@Maalt4 жыл бұрын
Sad to hear that. I have heard only good things about my dads many Saab 99s. Thanks for the long description!
@williamborges39144 жыл бұрын
@@Maalt Your dad was indeed lucky. I'm really glad for him. That said, the standing joke among Saab owners in the San Francisco Bay Area at the time was: "if you need Saab spare parts, drive down the freeway for 10 minutes until you find what you need". 😉
@Maalt4 жыл бұрын
I'm going to remember that joke. It's cool hearing stories like that. Hope you had atleast some good memories about Saabs.
@alaskaraftconnection-alask33974 жыл бұрын
Grew up with this model in the 70s running up and down the mountains here in Alaska. This ol' vintage car was a game changer. Official car of the US ski team back then. I recall ours had high and low range as well as some of the next generations that came along. I remember Mom rolled her Suby in the mountains a few miles below our home descending mayonnaise on a mirror ice even w/ studded tires. The guy behind her in a modified spiked out VW Bug rolled right after her, and they both bobsledded upside down the road. Everybody shook it off and walked away. Fun video guys!!! Love to find an old one in that nice a condition.
@scottboyer84504 жыл бұрын
New Mexico plates on your '78 brings back childhood memories. I grew up in Santa Fe NM. My mother bought a brand new 78 Subaru our first year there. It was perfect for the snow and ice during the winter driving months. That little car went into the back country with no problems at all. I have very fond memories of that little Subaru. Thank you for much for the video!
@michaelmeek93394 жыл бұрын
The spare tire under the hood was actually a safety feature. In a frontal impact it would force the engine down. I remember that being one of the sales pitches when my dad bought an ‘81 brand new.
@kirkniese4 жыл бұрын
I started watching because I'm a Subaru (manual transmissions only) guy....I stayed for the hug test. You guys knocked this one out of the park. Keep up the good work and thank you for the entertainment!
@dmcnamara98594 жыл бұрын
TFL: High/Neutral/Low Range were available on that era of Subarus.....including the re-skinned versions which were available until the Bigger/Angular ones came out in the mid-1980s which had the 5 Speeds (with High/ Neutral/Low lever by E-Brake) along with manually adjustable suspension(easily and quickly done with a ratchet or wrench) which could give you another 2 inches of Ground-Clearance......before switching to Peugeot 14/15 steel or aluminum rims....which can get a Scooby Do high like AMC Eagle.
@larrygomez66374 жыл бұрын
That's what I have in my High/Low Weberred EA81 1984 wagon. Stock 13"s though but with that 3.90 diff, she crawls.
@Mugzy17764 жыл бұрын
I owned that same Subaruu that we bought new in 1978! I loved that you found one and it was in such good shape! I’m also from New Mexico so seeing that NM plate super cool. I attempted to drive on one of Colorado’s toughest roads back in the day but was turned back due to the lightened flywheel which limited my already low torque. Man what a blast from the past! Thanks so much.
@johnkrott88294 жыл бұрын
I had the 1978 wagon, 2 1980 hatchbacks, a 1985 hatchback and a 1986 brat that said I would rather have the old hatchbacks more than a new one the problem with the 78 no low range. I used them all off road what great cars miss them.
@tommc36224 жыл бұрын
I had a 4spd 78 wagon with a dual range from an 80 brat swapped in. Best/most fun subie I have ever owned. Just a go cart on gravel. Pure joy. And that EA71 was a bulletproof mill.
@omegalamda31454 жыл бұрын
I owned a 1978 Subie DL manual 4x4. Drove it through college and had it when married until it hit 350K miles. Like I told your Dad who seems to have a grudge. The only descent newer Subie is the Crosstrek 6-Speed. I’ve a 2019 and blow past Rams and other power trucks in very heavy Mi snow. 18” to 30” . At lights and cornering the lumbering Rams and Tacomas are not nearly as nimble. If the rear end begins to come around on a 25 mph right turn I just hit the clutch it straightens up and either power on in 2nd or 3rd. All the unnecessary mass of these automatic Trucks there only manageable in a straight line. Unless know how to drive a Subie stick with your happy assed minis. Ps I also own a 2006 A3 6-Speed . It’s all about powers to weight ratio and a high driving skill set. The dude driving his new Outback was whining like an old woman. Your son seemed to realize the point I was making about manual vs automatic trannies. So give it up when you bash Subies kids. You sound like you live in gated communities an someone used the pool late at night! Hey Pops, develope some character and a bit integrity, This is a country of diversity these day. Your personality is so milk toasty!
@robertlotstein96704 жыл бұрын
Just imagine how much better the old subaru would have done if it was one of the ones with a low range transfer box.
@ethanc49204 жыл бұрын
The low range wasn't available until later. If you had a 1.4L, the first gear was lower than the first in low on the newer ones, but the power on the 1.6L was much better. I had the best setup, a 1.4L wagon with a 1.6L I shoehorned in there. It was even better because it was geared lower. More than 4000 RPM at 65mph in fourth gear.
@highwayman12184 жыл бұрын
Seeing old blue warmed my heart! Those Subies got my parents around through the 70s 80s and 90s in the So Cal.mountains of Lake Arrowhead.... After getting my license in 86 I drove the hell outta a little 81 GL wagon through the trails and snow. Very rarely even used 4wd unless, itd do great in fwd.
@kirbycairo4 жыл бұрын
I went through a terrible blizzard in Denver on christmas eve (82 I think) in one of these Subarus. We drove all day trying to deliver Christmas gifts which hadn't got delivered for MayD&F. We were leaving everything else behind. It was amazing. The biggest negative was that the CV joints cost a fortune to replace in those days.
@vedder104 жыл бұрын
As someone who just purchased his second consecutive Outback I loved when this channel gives some love and attention to Subaru. Wonderful video. Fun to watch. Although I just purchased a new 2020 Onyx XT Outback I would definitely agree older were less fragile. Still I love my Outback. Thinking of buying an older one for my 14 year old son to practice driving with.
@sbv21624 жыл бұрын
I learnt to drive in my 92 Brumby GL, or BRAT in America. I'm 17 almost 18, driven 6 or 7 different cars now + a truck and a bus, and the old subie is hands down the most fun. One thing to note with them is that your son won't have any temptations to touch his phone or get distracted, cause these things definitely need your attention. Less safety features, but very reliable, and a hell of a lot of fun to drive. They come up well with a bit of love too.
@ascendantrobin32304 жыл бұрын
Tommy has been an awesome addition to TFL! Andre is one of my favorites, hillarious! I like that they use everyday cars in their reviews
@LNSLateNightSaturday4 жыл бұрын
Great video, guys! I drive that exact same Subaru (the '15), and took it offroad in New Mexico, close to Carlsbad caverns. There was nothing quite that steep, but the Subaru handled it, (and some heavy snow outside Santa Fe) like a champ! Thanks again. It sucks being stuck inside so much, and this kinda stuff gives me a little life.
@patsfan80573 жыл бұрын
Love this! Owned a '78 and an '83. '78 was a beast, '83 had rust in the fuel line and tank even though the body had none. Got to where I kept extra filters on board and could change a clogged one in 2 minutes.
@janry704 жыл бұрын
I love what you guys did to this museum piece Subaru😋. Awesome car and it needs a recognition. Your team need to restore that awesome Subaru. Love the show 👍
@Trance884 жыл бұрын
That little '78 subaru is awesome! I've never seen one like that in person. My parents had a few Subaru's through the 80's and into the 90's. We had a 2 wheel drive 1989 Subaru Justy from 1996-1999. It was a great little car.
@3dsmackdown4 жыл бұрын
CVT's are such a bad a idea for offroad vehicles.
@stephenj49374 жыл бұрын
Agreed. And the Outback is not really an offroad vehicle; more of a softroader.
@michelt43904 жыл бұрын
I couldn't care less about CVT... but Subaru doesn't even gives the option of anything else...
@fastinradfordable4 жыл бұрын
Replacing the cvt fluid with redline synthetic cvt fluid feels like a chip tune on the trans. So much less slipp. No more rattle.
@sblagg5274 жыл бұрын
@@fastinradfordable Really?? Interesting- I have an appt to get my CVT fluid changed later this week- may have to give the Redline a try.
@MacTechG44 жыл бұрын
CVTs are such a bad idea, PERIOD! CVT must be utterly exterminated!
@tommc36224 жыл бұрын
It's getting near impossible to find parts or parts cars anymore, but the 80 brat had a dual range trans. #1 recommended swap/upgrade...if you can find one. #2 Weber carbie. And the EA71 sounds fantastic and responds really well to freeing up the exhaust.
@davispurce87914 жыл бұрын
Tom Mc i have a '78 ea71 brat. I also have a doner dual range brat. I may keep the ea71 but put the dual range in. I also have the fat case bell housing to do that.just have to get off my duff. Suby on.
@matthammes26204 жыл бұрын
What a blast! Thank you so much for making this video. Makes me appreciate the older vehicles like this even more.
@lukek19494 жыл бұрын
Wow! The old Subaru is such nice shape! Parents had an 80's era one when I was a kid. It ran solid. It just rusted out really badly. Salty roads in winter. It was absolute junk after 10 years. But did it ever run well! That old one has way more class than the new one. And in many ways, it was actually better at off-roading!
@kybruce14 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. My wife and I bought a 1978 yellow 4WD wagon just like the one in the video. We lived in Ft. Collins. Took it on some crazy mountain trails. Once took on hunting trip near Chambers Lake with my Dad and brother. Was pushing snow with front bumper. Came upon a 4x4 Chevy pickup stuck in snow. We just went off trail (in deeper snow) and drove around it. Guys in truck couldn't believe it. Drove through blizzard from Michigan to CO the whole 1,100 miles in 4WD with no problems (keeping around 50-55). Loved the car, no problems at all. Just too small when we started having kids
@joshleal98114 жыл бұрын
Love that old Subaru. I had a 1976 red. And was awesome.. thank you for bring old good times...👍
@rustybearden18002 жыл бұрын
I had a loaded, fully optioned '81 Subie GL10 Wagon with the bizarre plaid interior, AC, power windows, white steel wheels and roof rack- an amazing little vehicle - not very refined or advanced, technologically speaking, only (maybe) 67hp, four speed stick, hi/lo manually engaged 4WD and very cheeky, centered mounted headlight that appeared under a powered cover. Not by any means an exciting car on paved tarmac but an absolute mountain goat when the paved road ended. I sometimes foolishly drove that Subie offroad where few other vehicles could go. Absolutely loved and adored that little car and put many miles on it with a huge grin on my face.
@wesm39154 жыл бұрын
My wife and I both had two of the seventies Subaru wagons, both of ours had a lever between the seats with with 4 high and 4 low range. We took them over the passes in Silverton in the late eighties. Loved the little rigs.
@ati5734 жыл бұрын
I've been wanting to see this one. Its about time. Old Subaru are better. Ant least ones without the CV transmission. When they put that it, they lost all creds. You should put the sidekick and this 1978 sub on some trails and see which one performs better. I personally would take a 1978 sub over the new ones any day. Lobe the hug test too. Lol
@halmrkcrdz24944 жыл бұрын
I feel like Subaru Crosstrek with the manual transmission would have been a more fair comparison
@Aashishkebab4 жыл бұрын
There is no fair comparison to a car that old.
@halmrkcrdz24944 жыл бұрын
@@Aashishkebab I said "more fair" bud
@patrickberkery88544 жыл бұрын
I'm on my 6th subie. My first was an 82 GL wagon with 4wd and low range. Don't forget hill holder clutch and center lamp! That sucker could go anywhere! I loved it. But I got rear ended badly while stuck in traffic and the cat was totaled. Another one I had was an 89 Subie Justy. Most amazing little snow car. 3 cylinder engine, paper thin doors. Perfectly geared for the Sierra. Passing everyone, including k5s and broncos. Something about the thin tires and gearing. Lots of control in the slippery.
@Malc6644 жыл бұрын
I had the 1976 4wd wagon. It went everywhere, sand dunes, beach and loose rock hill much steeper than on this video and just ate it up. But no more than 300 metres above sea level. I loved that car. I even launched a 14 ft catamaran at the beach which is why I bought it. Had to lower the tyre pressures. Couldn't go on bitumen at all in 4wd it would bind up comimg off the tracks. Only did that once front wheels only, rears were still in sand but no problem.
@rangersmith46524 жыл бұрын
I'd love to have one of those old Subaru wagons. My college roommate's family was in the business--had a Subaru dealership--and he often drove one at school. One he had for a while was nearly identical to this one but had some extra goodies. We had a ball in that thing. Memories!
@cigarsgunsanddiesel80324 жыл бұрын
You guys should do an episode of AWD cars off roading... Like really light gravel roads and such... With the Impreza, Legacy, WRX, ECT.
@rowdyprouty94784 жыл бұрын
I have a 75 DL 4WD and I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!
@lanceripplinger83524 жыл бұрын
You guys are hilarious! Made my day! Tommy there just bouncing up the hill full tilt made my sides ache from the lolz!
@josemiguelfreirerios88914 жыл бұрын
I had one Subaru Station 1979 4x4 Amazing car, the Best trails off roads in south of Chile
@denisleblanc45064 жыл бұрын
My first vehicle was an 81 Brat. I took it off road often using it for hunting. I really liked it. I had it crossing creeks deep enough to have ice stuck in the headings, mud until it dragged its belly, had a 220 lb deer in the back, even a small Suzuki 125 ATV. I only had it stuck once when I high centred it on a big rock while crossing a river. It was fun to drive fast (well relatively fast) on dirt roads because of the 4 wheel independent suspension. On snowy icy roads it was unbelievable. You could hang the back out in curves. Once I even caught up to a rally Volvo that was practicing. Boy were they surprised. It had bolts on the spring perch in front to raise or lower it. Best of all it had a LOW RANGE! I took that car everywhere off road and while it could take it, it was very tiring to drive off road all day. You had to concentrate all the time and pick your lines carefully but with a set of BFG mud terrains it was a goat. The limited wheel travel meant you had to often go a little faster when articulating a lot but not as fast as you did because of the low range. I could go slow enough to prevent any damage. Sadly rust was eating through in 3 years and I had to get rid of it. I moved up to an 84 Ranger with dual tanks and front and rear limited slip diffs. but thats another story.
@N1RKW4 жыл бұрын
Seeing that '78 in action was like seeing an old friend. My family started buying Subarus in the mid 70's because they were the only car you could buy that would allow my grandmother to bus 6 or 7 kids to school every day through the long New Hampshire winter. We didn't get snow days... Or seat belts for that matter!
@donparker82464 жыл бұрын
They're just as popular here in Maine. My first one was a '92 Loyale wagon. Automatic with push button 4 wheel drive. I now have a '10 Forester. Both good cars.
@albieclementi4 жыл бұрын
Mountain goat is the exact term for those old Subies! For the older ones, as you saw, you just have to give it the go! They will bounce their way through almost anything. I miss my old '83 GL...Had the 4W Low...That little beast went everywhere without modifications...Literally, miles from any "road" across steppe brush highlands and through deep streams (I once submerged it over the hood while powering through a very deep 'puddle' deep in the Cascade mountains, and drove right through without a stall...whew!!!) ...currently have 2006 Outback XT Limited, super fun with the turbo, but nowhere near as capable. I think I may need to get myself another '83(ish) GL and just restore it to grandeur (with maybe a few upgrades) so I can once again go where I once traveled:-)
@ReedHarston4 жыл бұрын
That old 78 is the exact year and model of my first car. Except mine had a 'better' paint job (someone spray painted the back half of it blue... the rest was white) and one of those awesome add-on bumpers. I miss that thing so much. I loved every minute of owning it. Watching this just makes me miss my '78 so much more... maybe its a good thing it was stolen (for scrap metal) or I would probably end up spending a lot of time and money restoring it instead of moving on. Also, the first 'Outback' he points out at the end was a gen 1 Legacy (1990-1994), which was my second car. The Outback was introduced as a trim level of the gen 2 Legacy. Still makes his point though if you consider the point to be about Subaru wagons instead of the Outback specifically. Edit: he later points out a gen 2 Legacy wagon and calls it an Outback as well. Subaru did eventually stop selling the Legacy as a wagon, presumably because they mostly sold Outbacks instead, so I can't say I can blame him for making that mistake. 😉 I also miss that car, even though it was an automatic. It moved me home from college with *all* my stuff crammed in the back. My gen 2 1997 Legacy is pretty nice too though, even if it is just a sedan. I fit a lawn mower in the truck the other day so it does alright. And it isn't white like my other two cars, so thats a plus! 😂
@raventeague77454 жыл бұрын
my 98 Impreza Outback has 4 recovery points and is a weapon offroad, absolutely love this video
@oldmillrd81534 жыл бұрын
I drove a new Outback with the CVT and couldn't wait to get back into my '05 Honda Element with 5 speed manual. Thanks, but no thanks.
@jked74634 жыл бұрын
That was one of your best ever. Yeah to the old suby. Simple mechanics will beat electronics every day when longevity is concerned. Like you said the old suby will do it time after time. The new one will self destruct between the cvt, brakes instead of simple front to rear locked diff, etc.
@tinker11484 жыл бұрын
Also, don’t floor the throttle on the Outback when off-roading because the system thinks it’s too much for the CVT and it will cut power. You want 3/4 throttle for the most power. I have a 2017 Forester 2.5i and have done extensive testing off-road.
@tackyman20114 жыл бұрын
My '90 Legacy L wagon was destroyed in a collision last year. It was the most rugged, trustworthy car ever, and I had it all dialed in for at least another 10- 12 years of use. We called it my Range Pony. Even a new wagon is , I suspect, not going to meet my needs for camping, dirt roads, and hauling the canoe. I just test-drove a 2019 Outback, and was appalled at the lack of attach points, overall height, and plastic and electronics everywhere. It was like driving a videogame spaceship (not good).
@ronsmith78804 жыл бұрын
That 78' rocks...I still remember those front ends...nice job guys..I've watched this few times now.☺
@EricLS3 жыл бұрын
Man, I had foil tape sealing up the rust holes on my 87' GL behind the rear wheel wells, and the car was only 14 years old then. This thing has been sitting in a museum. Would be amazing to see one of the 80's subies with the low range have a go. Pro Tip: Don't drive locked in 4WD with a donut spare on for weeks.....
@ethanc49204 жыл бұрын
I owned the same car, except mine had a 1.4L transmission with a 1.6L engine I put in it . The trans was lower geared than yours. You need a 2wd old Subaru to refine your driving style, always at the horsepower peak when you start up the hill or you will lose motor and traction. Then you will always make it first try with the 4wd car. Also, after you break your first front CV shaft (I broke about a dozen on my 70s and early 80s Subarus, if you don't break a shaft, you are not using the car hard enough.) you can keep the inboard stub in the car for when you break the next one so you just take your hammer and punch (Must haves) and pull the broken shaft, (they always break the outer joint) and put your stub in and all of a sudden you have a RWD Subaru with a parking brake on the front tires. 67HP will spin the back tires all day long on dry pavement with the parking brake on. One last thing, the spare tire absorbed about 1/3 of the blow in a head on collision, making the old Subarus much safer than their contemporaries. The old Subarus were also better in roll overs because of the many side posts. PS, when you start breaking front struts, that is when you should tone it down a little bit, not when you start breaking CV shafts. You won't break struts unless you are jumping more than about 15 linear feet with an elevation of 6 feet or so and land badly, anything less, and you can do it all day. Also, do not be tricked into getting aluminum rims, they shatter and crack when you use the car correctly, the steel ones just bend a bit. (You will eventually end up with 2WD rims, they are stronger than the spoked rims.)
@SDwriter.and.surfer4 жыл бұрын
Never broke a CV joint in mine. Or did I? LOL I do faintly replacing one or two of them. I used mine (a late '77 model) for camping in the desert and tearing around washes and up and down hills. I even drove mine through the infamous Pinion Mountain "Squeeze" and back out again once. I have pics to prove it. I did blow the transaxle apart on one trip. A gear tooth must have come loose I figured. Started getting worse over a 2-day trip to Ocotillo Wells, CA. Nasty tapping sound from the gearbox area. Finally went "bang" while was driving home on the highway. Such fun times. ;-) For the wheels, I had the factory plain disk wheels widened to, I think 5.5" or so by a shop in LA. That was to run wider tires 'monsterous' 195/70s.
@ethanc49204 жыл бұрын
@@SDwriter.and.surfer If part of your Subaru Enjoyment consists of full throttle with the steering at full lock, that is when the CV joints let go the fastest. I was a poor kid at the time, but not too poor to put a bigger used carb on and remove the factory muffler for the extra 5 horsepower that overwhelmed the CV joints. I also used to play games like "pretend the cops are chasing me" and I found jumping to be a fun pastime. Of course this was in the good old days when if I hurt myself, the next morning it was all better. Pretty sure I would quit and go home in the first five minutes if I tried that stuff today. I once destroyed the spider gears in a front differential, but I really enjoyed being able to fix the car cheaply and easily. I had I had a total of six Subarus from 77 to 82 vintage, and I had the most fun with those cars that I have had with cars.
@SDwriter.and.surfer4 жыл бұрын
@@ethanc4920 Hah. I never tried that hard to break mine. Shortly after buying it I did have fun jumping it on sand dunes, on Fiesta Island at Mission Bay, San Diego. Dumb kid. I always told people, in the past and in comments here, that the Subaru was basically a water-cooled 4wd Baja Bug. No low-range so you had to charge some hills. Just like with a bug. I rebuilt the engine once. Had it "blue printed" by an engine shop. Hah. Balanced pistons, rods, etc. Just because I read it was the thing to do. Had Schnieder Cams do a reprofile on the stick for better 'low end' supposedly. Result of that was questionable. And I also had a complete exhaust system custom made. Sounded cool. Biggest improvement made was the Weber carb. That improved the personality of the car by so much. Legend had it there was a twin-carb manifold for the 1600cc engines, available in Japan only. I was unsuccessful in finding one here in the US. I did buy the high-compression heads from an importer in LA. Added a half a ratio to the stock compression. I never had the engine dyno'd so I don't know what all that did. But it helped for sure. If someone had said to me back then, "Someday you'll be able to buy a Subaru with a 300-hp engine", my head would have exploded. Nothing outside of Italy was making that kind of power (stock) in those days.
@ethanc49204 жыл бұрын
@@SDwriter.and.surfer Driving without horsepower or gearing requires much more skill than what is required when either is present. All of my Subarus had a flat underside and a gas tank up inside the car, I sure I have hours of cumulative time dragging the bottom of the cars. My 77 (it might have been a 76) Wagon came from the factory with a 1.4L engine and therefore had a very low final drive ratio. In fact, that car had a lower first gear than the low range in my later Subarus. With the bigger pushrod 1.6L it went very well. I used JDM carbs on my Subarus, they were a few millimeters bigger on both the primaries and the secondaries. (And they were cheap.) Eventually I started putting 1.5 inch spacers under the Carb (on a 82 two-door hatchback with low range) and cut a hole in the hood for a round air cleaner. That worked very well for some reason.
@SDwriter.and.surfer4 жыл бұрын
@@ethanc4920 Interesting. I have to admit, I've never heard of JDM carbs. For me at that time, the Weber 32/36 progressive was the best choice. It needed an adapter that was an inch or so tall, and the 3-4" K&N air cleaner on top of that. Still fit under the hood nicely though. It ran very well out of the box. Finally at one point I had some Weber 'guru' tell me now to tune more optimally. Jetting and emulsion tube changes. Some of the specs are really testing my memory, but I think the 1400cc engines were wet sleeve weren't they? Might have had two separate exhaust outlets on the heads, like a VW? My EA71 engine had 'Siamese' exhaust ports with one outlet on each head I remember that for sure. I don't recall the final drives of the axles, 3.8 something?, but I seem to remember that my 4x4 trans had a 4.0x:1 first gear, whereas the 2WD transmissions had something like 3.66:1. So the '77.5 4x4s had lower 1st and possibly 2nd gears than the non-4x4s. I don't know what it was for the years before and after that. I remember that my Subaru had the same 1st gear (4.02:1) as the 4-spd trans in the IH Scout II that I replaced the little Subaru with in 1991. (I still drive the Scout!) BTW, I also still have my Chilton's Subaru manual on a shelf I think. It covers all these pre-1980 cars/engines. And I have a copy of the "How to Keep Your Subaru Alive" book, which was modeled after the original VW book.
@marrrrkus4 жыл бұрын
My first newish car was a 1978 BRAT bought in 1980. Sold it with 280,xxx miles on it. Great in Colorado winters, and light trails. When I sold it you could almost see through it, RUST. I'd love to find one to restore, but finding one without rust is impossible. Still have a Forester.
@asajayunknown62904 жыл бұрын
Anyone else remember the Justy? Had one for a bit in Vermont. Mud season on the "dirt" roads was no big deal :). Just had to keep your foot on the gas and keep the tires spinning. The thing weighed nothing, had something like 10" of ground clearance and skid plates. Tiny go anywhere car
@Steve-jw6my4 жыл бұрын
You’ve got to have traction control off just about everywhere off road in these Subaru’s. The best is manual mode with xmode on and traction control off. They just cut too much power with the tc on off road. That’s power that you need to use for momentum because they’re lacking that low range.
@StopItRyan4 жыл бұрын
regarding safety in the EA71 (GL), they were surprisingly safe for the era and hold up extremely well against even modern full size pickups in accidents. Also Subaru considers the boxer engine a safety feature because it is more likely to slide under the car in a wreck than a V or inline engine.
@rossthoma41524 жыл бұрын
X-Mode ON Traction control OFF Drive as slow as possible BUT as fast as necessary. TC off seems to stop the electronics from limiting power to the wheels and lets you get more power to the ground. ( Imagine the system is thinking you are in a skid on ice or wet road, it will cut power output and adjust breaking to regain that control (tire adhesion/traction). Great in emergencies when at speed... but not when purposely offloading and you need that power) You guys (TFL) have the "as slow as possible" down to a science when you do those hill/traction demonstrations BUT I find myself yelling at the screen "AS FAST AS NECESSARY!!! If you would speed up just a bit (I'm not talking about getting air or anything like that) but just enough to have the momentum to carry you over those bits and bobs ( read roots and rocks/ledges ) you would be putting less strain on the CVT by keeping the car in motion as opposed to the stop 'n' go hill climbs. **X MODE works up to 20 MPH** Now if you are testing tires and rubber compound and tread design, use a 2 speed X-fer case vehicle and go SUPER slow so there is no momentum and only test for tire/tread friction and adhesion. Thanks for reading, I do really enjoy your programming and am a regular viewer. Ross Thoma 2003 Disco SE 2017 Outback 2.5l
@blacksquirrel40084 жыл бұрын
Bought a new 2017 Outback and was not disappointed when it was totaled around us, I was also glad to see it gone. It handled well and got decent mileage but it had so many little niggling problems that made it unpleasant to drive. I.E. There little reflective bits everywhere in the cockpit which glared annoyingly, like the chrome rim around the vents which left bright stripes on the windows so you couldn’t see the mirrors, the unusable GPS when rolling, the fact that the screen was angled just perfectly to catch all the light coming from the windshield, the drivers seat was the most uncomfortable thing I had ever used, a fact not discovered on a test drive of less than 10 miles (had to buy a custom cushion to use it), expensive regular maintenance, huge A pillar blindspot, you get the idea. Took the insurance money and bought a lower spec Nissan Pathfinder and does everything well. One thing I will give it, after almost two years of use it had barely depreciated and I did not lose my shirt to the market.
@marcelfotomoto4 жыл бұрын
Funny seeing all those Subarus. Where I live it's Hiluxs, Prados, and Landcruisers.
@procrastinator18424 жыл бұрын
Because there is a masculinity/status thing that white collar guys can have in exchange for $$.
@craigquann4 жыл бұрын
Nope.not until they get rid of those useless CVT. They have no business off road.
@paulspeakman5514 жыл бұрын
I'm holding on to my non CVT 2002 Outback as long as I can.
@procrastinator18424 жыл бұрын
Going from an audm dual range AWD to a CVT is...just nope.
@tadficuscactus4 жыл бұрын
Audi: We invented the 4wd car Subaru: hold my vape
@russcattell955i4 жыл бұрын
Hold my ale, old boy: Jensen FF.
@gerijokub77374 жыл бұрын
They didn't invent an affordable 4wd car, though..
@russcattell955i4 жыл бұрын
@@gerijokub7737 Quite so, the original quattro was expensive too. I worked in a audi dealers at the time.
@snowrocket4 жыл бұрын
@@russcattell955i True! When introduced to the USA market, the emissions equipment knocked the horsepower down from 200 to about 160. Audi decided to only sell 500 Quattro coupes in the USA that first year (1982?). MSRP was $35,000. Two years later you could get the 115 HP Audi 4000S quattro for $17,000, a relative bargain by comparison.
@snowrocket4 жыл бұрын
@@russcattell955i The FF was AWD, which is NOTEWORTHY AND HISTORICAL! YAA Brits, for having the balls to try it and produce it, and being the first! Audi made AWD popular and desirable for the masses. (WRC, anyone?) Subaru made AWD affordable to the masses. The first Subarus, like the old wagon shown in this video, were part-time 4WD. Subaru's first AWD didn't come out until the 1984 or 1985 model year. It was a high-end Loyale with a lockable center diff, just like an Audi.
@michaelhorner40114 жыл бұрын
The bear hug width test was great Andre ! TFL is lucky to have you.
@EGGINFOOLS4 жыл бұрын
Tommy: I actually think the front of the older Subaru looks like you! 😂🤣💯
@derekh35774 жыл бұрын
Love the way you get so impressed by the older cars T.
@journeywithstu71994 жыл бұрын
My first Subaru was a 78 2wd wagon. It went everywhere I pointed it, slowly. My 6th and last Subaru is a 3.6 Outback. Dropping the six was their second biggest mistake. My favorite OB was a 06 XT manual. God, that was fun.
@doghouse4164 жыл бұрын
I had the same color, car everything, and other than rusting all the way in half, that little Scoobaroo ran for 15 years and 157,000 miles, and it was surprisingly durable.
@johnnybravo38694 жыл бұрын
By the '80s, Subaru had added a low range to its transfer case, operated by a lever that was pulled up once for 4H and again for 4L without needing to stop. I had an '85 BRAT that went anywhere (except the interstate). The spare tire was still under the hood.
@HoosierDaddy_4 жыл бұрын
Loving it! More! More! More! Thanks, Andre, for taking 5 years off of your newer Subaru for this video!
@kenoday75624 жыл бұрын
I had a 1980 BRAT. No power, not efficient, but it was fun ... until the clutch cable would break. I did have 13 inch Rayon BFG Mud Terrains on it. It went through some really deep snow and mud.
@Just-a-guy9264 жыл бұрын
My first car was a “John Deere green” with a white vinyl interior 4 speed manual 1976 Subaru DL sedan. My best memories of that car are of me driving all over my grand parents farm.
@scottbrown3214 жыл бұрын
I owned two of the old ones. one wagon 2 wheel drive with a 5 speed. and a brat. Love them both and hit some good trails in Montana.
@recnepsgnitnarb65303 жыл бұрын
I so miss the older Subies. They were so simple to fix and were better than even Jeeps in the back woods. Farmers here in Idaho loved them.
@ericl29694 жыл бұрын
I had a 1980 Subaru wagon with four-wheel drive. That was the first year that Subarus were wider than the old car you showed here. It was rather primitive, but if I could get my hands on a slightly-used one just like it, I'd buy it in a heartbeat. And yes, the first gear, though not a "granny gear" like some light trucks of those days and earlier, it was indeed a low gear, more so than any other passenger car you could buy back then, and that car could start up a steep hill with virtually no need to slip the clutch, and then creep uphill at 3 mph, clutch fully engaged. At 200,000 miles, my clutch had 4/5ths of the lining remaining, and that had been largely city driving, so that low first gear was great for clutch longevity in normal driving too. Only problem? Top gear was rather low as well, so today's 70-mph speed limits (and higher) would be no fun (but then, that's also the case for classic 4x4 trucks!).
@KevinBenecke4 жыл бұрын
I remember in those old Subaru's that after you added the A/C option, when you turned it on, it would eat up almost all of the engine power when the compressor kicked in. If you needed power to climb a hill, you had to turn of the A/C to get the power to do it.
@Santigo7054 жыл бұрын
Great Video! Added dramatic & energetic actors earned their pay. Good job guys!
@animestarlord90214 жыл бұрын
So true. I have an 86 dL with the low range and it's unstoppable and beat the crap out of it for years and still goes. I also have an 09 outback and torn the center diff out without much abuse. The outback still goes good but not as durable as my old DL.
@jeffrichards15374 жыл бұрын
My uncle had a 79 or 80 model station wagon. Only thing that stopped that beast was rusting to bits from the west Virginia winters and all the salt on roads.
@brianjkubotajeep4 жыл бұрын
My first car!!! It's alive haha. Got a 79 subaru wagon exactly like this one when I was 12 years old. (my grandfather had some woods that I was allowed to learn how to drive in) Bought it for $50.00!!! It was basically what they could get for it by scrapping it so made no difference to them. It was rough, but I could never kill it and believe me as a 12 year old allowed to drive in the woods by myself, I tried! I finally bored of it and got a pickup, and being young and not caring we got rid of it, but the guy that came and took it away for scrap drove it onto his ramp truck! It had no more fenders, or exhaust (they met their demise on rocks and or trees) but it never stopped running and driving. Great little cars. Wish i could find another one just for fun. great video guys, thank you
@jlsracing997 Жыл бұрын
My 82 GL would get high centered on snow piled up by a plow at the end of my driveway which was uphill. Pull it up into 4wd and just motor out of it and up to the house. Really loved and miss that car.
@dzelpwr4 жыл бұрын
Man, you guys know how to have fun with cars. Inspires one to want to venture out for my own vehicular shenanigans again. Keep it up.
@billguilfoyle13754 жыл бұрын
Fun video. I bought a new 1977 subie and lived in Winter Park, Colorado which is at 9000 ft elevation. I had it in some of the stupidest places. The carburetor was a real weak point because of the elevation changes. I next bought the 1980 model which had fuel injection which was a quantum leap forward. Fun memories!
@solarfry4 жыл бұрын
Don't forget to disable Traction Control or it will choke it to a stop. Offroad you disable TC. or suffer with it's application of brakes to control traction.
@solarfry4 жыл бұрын
Dang! you forgot what you learned about newer subarus.
@rootsmanuva824 жыл бұрын
TFL bought a MINI R56 GP? So much YES. Awesome choice!! (if not a headache). I owned R56 Cooper S and LOVED it. It was actually reliable even though it had some oil leaks here and there. It never broke down or lit a check engine light. MINI unreliability is pretty overblown. They're not Toyota's for sure but they're also not 1970's FIAT's either. Timing chain tensioner is definitely an unacceptable issue but mine never gave up the ghost after 160K miles of ownership; even with a 230 hp tune and very aggressive driving. Great little motor.