Harley "Showdown" - Old School VS New

[@samslade739]

I've been riding Harleys since the mid sixties. Of all the bikes I've owned, the Evos were the lowest maintenance. Never got stranded by an Evo. Shovelheads on the other hand have left me on the side of the road more than once. I have a couple of Twin Cam bikes now that I ride most of the time. Although, I do still ride my Shovel from time to time. It is so much fun to ride. I'm in my 70s now and don't tell my wife but it tends to beat me up pretty bad these days.

[@twanweijts]

If I want to drive comfortable than I take my car in the winter. Driving a bike is for me fun and a lifestyle that I do already for 35 years

[@SG-wj2qj]

Best Buy, a 10yr old Harley bought by a man who appreciates the machine but couldn’t find the time or the courage to ride it. Bought a 2013 Fatboy 103ci for $9,000 CAD. Oil changed every year, 4,500km on it. You’d be surprised how many 8-12yr old bikes are out there with nearly no miles on it.

[@dugbucky3298]

POTATO POTATO PATATO....NUF SAID. Love an Evo sound!

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Spot on!

[@joechavez4494]

My dad who's in heaven, left me his 85 Harley Electra Glide Classic, n it's way more comfortable than my 05 road king.

[@rjoetting7594]

I just recently bought a 1982 FLT shovelhead to add to my stable. It's been lowered, fat spoke 19" front wheel, later model saddle bags, 16" ape hangers, no fairing, and straight pipe fishtail dual exhaust and a custom dark green metal flake paint job. It does have a small primary leak, just a few drops almost unnoticeable. (I will fix this winter) Runs and it rides and sounds great all for $3,000 USD. There's many great deals to be found if you take your time and search. To me, a new Harley-Davidson is an EVO. Anything built afterward really doesn't interest me I'm 61 years old and kind of set in my ways. I still own my first big twin harley, a 1978 flh bobber/chopper I have a 1991 springer softtail and a 1992 electra glide ultra classic.

[@simonellerton1412]

@@rjoetting7594 only bloody wish i could get a shovel for 3 grand 'starting price on aus for a runner would be easy 12k

[@andrewnegri4678]

Too many idiots on the roads to not have a front brake nowadays 😅😅😅😅😅

[@Panotaker]

The average person knows you are on a Harley, but most have no idea if you are on an M8, a twin cam. An Evo, or a shovel. So save yourself some money and get a cheap twin cam while you still can.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Good point!

[@HawgRiderBC]

@Panotaker I've got 176,000 km on my 07 Electra Glide. I swapped the 96" engine with a 103" a few years ago. It's cammed, chipped, and dyno'd at 115hp.

[@GBSavate]

Older is best and better - 4 speed, choke n carb, rigid frame, chain drive, not a fan of "efi" or belt drive.... my 1989 air cooled evo does have electric ignition rather than kick but has no other "tech"...no need for trickle feed to battery once I turn it off, it is off. No fob just a key, no alarm...just me & my eyes...and my axe....

[@jaxj3626]

Bought a new FLH in 1981 still riding today at 66 years old. I would buy something newer but cant justify the cost.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Nothing wrong with an old bike

[@fatflea8107]

I ride a hardtail evo.With a 1340 stroker And it's definitely not down o performance.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks I get your point but compared to a hotted up m8?

[@darrellkinkade9205]

I'm 70 & still ride an '84 Shovelhead that I bought new. Plus an '01 Fatboy. While out riding yesterday I came across a number of newer Harleys. I had to ask myself the question, "why don't these guys just buy minivans & take out the windshields"?? To each their own I suppose...

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Valid point but on my SG the wind still hits you but the edge comes off the force of the wind so you can ride very hard all day

[@kennethschauer1801]

EVO is king,

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Sound great!

[@hobotrev]

Low pricing usually means high K:s

[@joedellavolpe-zq6cw]

Hello from Nevada. What bars are on that evo bobber? They’re exactly what I’m looking for. 82 shovelhead super glide.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

They are home made I believe

[@imMahatama]

My grandfather passed during the years of Covid and left his 02 assembled fatboy behind, I’ve been trying my hardest to get it reliable but he definitely cut corners with this Frankenstein machine. In a way it adds a charm to it still. Proud to say that (despite me stripping the screws to the primary) I got it running solid enough to take my class and get my endorsement. Watching your vids only make me more hyped for that day to finally come❤

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Good luck with it, they each have their own character

[@tjf2258]

Only one miss…Shovels are not cooler than the Evols. Evols are ultimate vintage bikes…great projects bikes and worlds best for ease of maintenance. No not better at all over TC or M8 buts possibly more desirable for what you said…COOL FACTOR and bar hopper.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thank you

[@TheWolfsnack]

Low on performance? Nothing handles the twisties like a hardtail....my last hardtail was a Stage 2 Evo mated to a shovelhead 4 speed and stripped down wide glide....fast and handled awesome....I miss that bike RIP....a garage fire casualty, so an Evo FXDL these days....I will admit it is nicer to hit potholes with the Dyna.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks, I'm comparing them to bikes like hotted up m8s but I get your point

[@okiemale1589]

Great video once again... Big thumbs up from Oklahoma City... 😎👍

[@tieredlabsllc5728]

Well.. I have 4 Evos (and a bunch of non-Harleys), and no interest in anything newer from HD. So there's my answer as to what's good and cool.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks

[@KD-nb3mp]

I cant even lie. The Evos and even older Harleys sound incredible but i still think that the TC's and M8's sound great. I have an old Evo Softail and im thinking about getting a Twin Cam Wide Glide for going on long trips at higher speeds.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

The twin cams are incredibly cheap at the moment

[@andrewgarland7617]

Bought myself a custom 1999 FXDX as I like a bike without all the electronics and it looks great to me

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Fun bike, hope you enjoy it

[@marcloy9821]

Your speedo seems to be fogged up there…🙄😄 I remember when I was young and stupid hanging around the Harley shop I think it was the top end of Russel Street ? 🧐 drooling over the machines lined up on the footpath ❤

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Lol condensation. Elizabeth Street!

[@richardfuller4125]

The new M8 are getting closer to that Honda VTX sound. As soon as Harley moves to an overhead cam, the transformation will be complete.😮 A sad state of affairs.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Many will agree with that

[@Morphic-Realms.]

drz400? wait wrong channel........... heh nice one Aymen, the older bikes def have the street cred factor, but nearly any bike can be made to appeal to someone, 1st and foremost the pilot.

[@simonellerton1412]

Nothing better than cruising around on a shovel with a evo and wideglide forks 'for the one's that dont know some 83 84 frames fit evos ''

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thank you

[@johnday7134]

the difference between an old skool hardtail and a modern harley is you won,t need a wheelchair cos of spinal damage by the time your 50 if you ride a new harley. lol oldskool is cool but not practical. for all you young guns.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Lol, good point thanks

[@franciscopanelli5710]

All Harley's have Cool Factor 04 FXDI.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Great point!!

[@mpojr]

You need OLD NOT DEAD Decal on that ol school Harley Ayman

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Lol yeah!!

[@Peter-wc4kr]

Anything harder to ride will usually be ridden less.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Probably true, thank you

[@robertholland7558]

Boomer versus gen z There really is no comparison

[@michaelwilson2649]

The good oil.

[@Bikerbug2020]

Chopper looks cool but also looks super uncomfortable.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

It was surprisingly much better than I thought, if it was mine I would only change the seat because I was falling off the back on acceleration

[@rogerjolly1063]

Paughco framed evo is cool... any more info on it.?

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Well spotted, mid eighties evo with a cam

[@WiliamRae]

You’re so smart another brilliant video you should be on tv 📺

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Lol thank you

[@bigwu100]

The prices are on the decline. 5000.00 is average low.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Much more where I live as they are imports

[@harleyhawk7959]

i will stick with my T.C. Sounds awesome, rides nice, looks good, and is comfortable on long road trips.

[@waynebrewer3031]

Love my 2000 Fatboy and just about to put it on Club Plates 👌 Another great video Aymen👍

[@bryanburrows7239]

Self confessed late model expert 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Late models are great lol

[@Shadrach666]

Old school Harleys look really cool - they're a bit small for big guys (but configure yours to fit you). However, expect to spend a lot of time having them fixed - air-aspirated Harleys require much more maintenance. They sound way better though.

[@Mikeysixkiller]

Not true. And evo is as simple and reliable as it gets. And with less components, it's simpler than an M8

[@Shadrach666]

@@Mikeysixkiller I didn't say they were complicated Mikey, just that they require more maintenance or tinkering to keep them running sweet. It's to do with wear and tear - all bike components wear out at different rates - on a 50 year old chopper you can expect each ride to be interesting - but it's mechanical and no electronics to go wrong. I was talking about the whole bike, not just the engine.It's what makes biking fun imo. I love Evo's, and Twin-cams for longer rides.

[@jimkraft9445]

I am 83 years old and ride a 99 Softail Custom. Carb, air cooled, and simple. I started riding on a 42 Flat head 45 when I was 14, in 1955. That thing was tuff as nails. Actually, I started riding on a friends Whizzer motor bike when I was 8. My EVO powered Softail Custom is now 25 years old, but when I wash it, maybe twice a year, it looks as good as new. I do keep it garaged. I only have 67,000 on it though, and it has been trouble free for the most part. I changed out the inner cam brg, for peace of mind. Installed a Torrington full roller bearing. Other than that and general maintenance, I had one stator go bad. I love the simplicity of the EVO. I have no use for a radio. I just listen to the music of the drag pipes and watch the sun reflect off the head light. It is almost as comfortable as sitting in my Lazy Boy recliner with the pillow seat and pull back buck horn bars. IF I want to ride 75 or 80 down the interstate it will do just fine. But most of my riding is around the back roads where I live. I rode an Iron Head Sportster for 23 years and loved it also. The new computerized fuel injected bikes with a key fob like my Chevy makes no sense to me. Just my opinion. Everyone has one.

[@coffeejoe3494]

Your question of bikes waving to other bikes. I got myself a proper Mohawk. Yes a 1980s punk rock Mohawk. Yes I wear it up. Now that I have it NO ONE waves. Put that in your waving pipe.

[@turbohusque]

Evo was the last true Harley engine. 91 FXRS here.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Very cool!

[@bryanburrows7239]

Last real one was 69

[@turbohusque]

@@bryanburrows7239 Fair enough, but my penchance for anachronism only goes so far.

[@cavscout62]

Still riding an ‘07 FXLR that I paid $3500 for. It was a 1 owner dealer maintained Bike with 15K on the clock. I’ve replaced the wear items like engine isolater mounts and opened up intake and exhaust. I’ve owned everything in my 50+ years of riding and there’s just nothing like the feeling of perpetual motion that H-D’s impart. I also own a ‘21 Tenere as a SHTF and wheelie Bike.

[@KazRoyalEnfield]

Love the sound of the old Bikes !! Another awesome video Aymen 💜

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks again! They sound great!!

[@ctsnider88]

I recently purchased a 06 Sportster. I don't know much about Harley's because I come from the Honda Goldwing crowd. I am learning.

[@Spike_6280]

Older Sportsters are cool. Learn on it. No reason to let it go. Hold onto it.

[@JohnJones-op8uf]

I’m happy with my twin cam 103 Heritage Classic

[@robertdaley1194]

I must say the EVO has the best sound ,HD has a sound archive of all their engines somewhere on the web.

[@TheWolfsnack]

Evos do sound good.....love the sound of mine....but I also loved the sound of my old panhead with that valve train whine....

[@davidfaria6194]

Early twin cams have issues. In fact they all do Evo is a simple single cam gear driven system doesn’t make the horsepower but they are definitely fun to ride and can be built safely with decent torque and horsepower.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks I agree

[@darwinortiz6394]

Love the old school motorcycle. So different in many ways.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks

[@stevenmelides555]

Wrenchin building bikes makes sense the prices ov new new Harley's are a joke man it was nice ov harley davidson in Oz 2 do a deal with the government so we can't import newer bikes 2 build squire up dog act no wonder most people that know stay away from zo dealers old school rules

[@JustJ-gs3rx]

I have a 98’ EVO here, my brother’s bike, he owned it since buying it new in 1998. I owned a 2019 Road King Special with 114 and after a few years I didn’t care for all the electronics that Harley’s RD put into the bike…It was ultra finicky when it came to changing and upgrading anything electrical. The charge light would constantly come on and off when I was driving it. I sold it and bought my brother’s Heritage Springer with an EVO. It’s a simple bike, uses 3 quarts of oil and one in the transmission versus my M8 which used 4 quarts and I quart in the other two holes, transfer case and primary. The older bike uses a carburetor with a manual choke, something which I am use to and it operates like my snow blower and yard tractor…Just turn on the peacock vale to get gas, then a couple turns on the throttle, pull out the choke and hit the engine start. Make no mistake the reason my brother had this bike for so long was he took care of it and always warmed up the engine before he drove off… I don’t miss the Milwaukee 8 at all…The EVO is what a Harley is meant to sound like, they aren’t super fast but it’s about the ride not the destination

[@wrburton0110]

The sound of the older bikes is freakin awesome. My Dad bought a 1998 Dyna wide glide brand new for 18k USD and i remember he had to wait a few months for it. I think he sold it several years later for 18k. The newer ones definitely don't hold their value like that anymore, but i did pull the trigger on my first Harley a week and a half ago. Got a brand new 24 Heritage Softail with the 114. Awesome bike! Can't wait to get some better pipes on it.

[@markwhitney9175]

1990 Springer EVO here!

[@Mikeysixkiller]

New bikes have 3 ssues. One, over priced. Two, the M8 is basically what big cc Japanese cruisers were in the 90s and early 2000s. Harley is 20 years behind. Three, technology that can and will fail or harley will stop issuing updates for. Pros, power. Haha. Anyway I won't own anything newer than an evo. And in the states I can own 8 of them for the price of a new harley.

[@JoelDay-n5z]

As for rose coloured glasses we all want an old bike for multiple reasons but we sooooo enjoy the convenience of modern bikes. Having my pop teach me how to do a cork three spring clutch on a 38 norton , I fooking love my 22 indian chief but my soul still swells for an old boike of any flavour.

[@Mikeysixkiller]

I don't think you can use "we all", and attempt to speak for everyone. You have a point, but this 50 year old still won't own anything newer than an evo. And I don't need or crave a newer ride

[@JoelDay-n5z]

My apologies then

[@donnervogel3057]

I am riding a triumph preunit hardtail for 30 years, and since a while I have a soft tail for longer rides. You are absolutely right 👍👍👍

[@saddle8bag]

You won't need to worry about eating healthy and exercising if you keep ripping around on bikes w/o front brakes.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Lol very true

[@konrad1101]

Im in a good spot with my 14 street glide. Wasn't that expensive. Has the rushmore package so it's convenient.. and a twin cam that still sounds good and has sufficient power. Probably gonna do a cam for a little more go.

[@Rif_Leman]

When you have a kick starter and choose to use the electric starter, you cannot claim to be old school.

[@frankbos6211]

Yeah how about that. It's been years since I had a kicker. They are fun when first or second kick does it, but the speed a starter turns that donk over takes a lot of shit out of the start.

[@charlesprice7608]

Anyone calling EVO’s, even in a hard tail, old school, isn’t old school 😂😂😂

[@IBringYouFire]

In any case older bikes are cooler and if your a Real Men your also a Mechanic! Or you just a Hipster.

[@pheonix1758]

The sound ❤the look you just can’t replicate a classic Harley , i truly wish Harley would bring out an old Vintage style bike with that sweet sound.

[@jondoe8816]

Shovel sounds grouse and up it goes. I have a twin can carbie. Sounds great. Twin cam injected has more power but the sound is just a bit off. But. Love all my twin cams

[@marcelhorisberger9256]

I’d love to get another Harley. I’m 70 and 70 kg with balance issues. The last time I dropped my Dyna I couldn’t pick it up on my own. I’ve got a crf300L but miss the forward controls. Harley build a cool small chopper 400 cc 150kg. I’d be buying one.

[@stensballe3683]

a 1cylinder smaller harley would be great, maybe 400cc like the suzuki savage

[@apexxxx10]

I'm 75 (22 Sep 1949 model) Curb weight 65 kg. Used to be 75 kg! Good Riddance. I'm also a double TKR Total Knee Replacement with infection survivor. Exercise every day and ride my KAWASAKI Vulcan 650 full tilt on mountain rounds here in the northern Thai hinterland. Balance exercise! Stand on one leg close eyes 15 - 30 seconds! My recommendation.

[@spiderbrandt4066]

I had a 2013 Fat Bob 103 , I hated it the seat was to wide , it idled to fast it ran to Hot and so on , My Evo is faster more reliable sounds better , My Evo and I have done over 280,000 kl together ,

[@resurgencegear9960]

Great vid Aymen. Yip love the old school bikes. Totally agree with you, I'd want one old bike for local rides & events. Anything further, then a new bike for touring. Keep up the awesome vids, loving your work!!

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks, love your clothing!!

[@queenslander954]

So it’s either putting on a Harley or get a adventure bike eg trail bike & and go and ride in the Bush with no cops , no traffic , no tossers

[@mockbattles]

That hard tail is righteous!

[@markorr1874]

HAD A SHOVEL HARDTAIL . SHOULD KICK MY ASS FOR SELLING I BUILT THIS BIKE

[@honestlion17]

To bad they went WOKE 😂

[@angelsierra1988]

Love my EVO's

[@OldNotDead-Club]

They are very cool

[@niparts81]

There should always be a choice, one likes his mother, one likes his daughter, and another likes their dresses. It is the same with everything around us.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Great point thank you

[@kevinKILLJOY-qx2lx]

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[@kevinKILLJOY-qx2lx]

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[@kevinKILLJOY-qx2lx]

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[@kevinKILLJOY-qx2lx]

Cool rides😊

[@kevinKILLJOY-qx2lx]

Cool rides

[@kevinKILLJOY-qx2lx]

Cool rides

[@AdrianHawke]

My HD collection in order of acquisition: 2009 VRSCAW (original) 2010 FXDW (chopped) 1985 FXSB (original) They are all unique, and enjoyable for their own reasons.

[@LowkeyAnnie]

G'day, Aymen 👋🏽 Enjoyed the vlog, as always, I've learned a bit more about Harley's each time 👌🏽 Take it easy, Ride as you will...🌪⚡️ Annie, OND...✌🏽😎

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks 👍 again Annie

[@LowkeyAnnie]

@OldNotDead-Club You're welcome 👋🏽 I may just buy a Harley yet! The more you express the Pro's & cons, the more appealing they become...👌🏽👍🏽 Annie ✌🏽😎... OND☠️⚡️

[@markjackson8525]

My intro to bikes was my old Bush Fire Brigade Captains WLA he rode during WW2, went to the States to find it and brought it back to OZ. He had it painted in fire brigade red and used it before radios were in use. Between that bike and Easy Riders, I have love Harley's especially the hardtails/ chopper look. They really suicidal the suicide clutches. 😊

[@spudgunson]

I have a dyna Fat Bob (modified) and a BMW R1200RT. The beemer is a mile muncher with superb manners, luggage capacity and weather protection. However, if I'm going to France or Spain touring I always go on the dyna. Its more fun, I like the sound of it, the vibration and the looks it gets when its parked up and from people in cars as I fly past them. They let down their windows to listen to the boom of the Harley but barely notice when the beemer slides past them. Its all subjective and for me when I open my garage door I still feel like that little eight year kid seeing a Harley for the first time parked up outside a cafe in France. Its so evocative and makes me feel alive. Viva Harley!

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Well said, thank you

[@HawgRiderBC]

@spudgunson I've got a 07 Electra Glide (cammed, chipped and dyno'd at 115hp) and a BMW S1000XR.

[@JamesGlissan]

There’s something special about the shovel

[@jonanthony9927]

I back traded a 2017 CVO Street Glide for a 2000 FXST Softail Standard, mikuni carb, crane cam, 67000 kms and runs like a top - love it

[@DLV2252]

Awesome video Aymen. Blake I gotta take that evo for a ride mate.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks mate

[@_S.E.J_]

What jacket do you where on the old school bike. ?

[@KazRoyalEnfield]

Thanks

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks Karyn much appreciated!

[@coffeejoe3494]

I just can’t get into Harley with the dei woke Taliban ceo. Sorry.

[@Spike_6280]

Be patient. Hope the brand doesn’t decline too much. Older bikes are the way to go, don’t know how far back, but get a Harley. Support your local bike shops.

[@coffeejoe3494]

@@Spike_6280 good call on supporting your local. Definitely a cause to get behind. As far as bikes go? I’m way too emotionally attached to my Harley. It’s honestly the best and funniest ride I’ve ever had.

[@davedave1019]

Always interesting

[@nikitis13]

One of each would be cool. 😉

[@bertxr-q6d]

Shovels best f-*# the rest

[@bluddyrowdy8757]

nah they were just like the British bikes, bluddy Unreliable EVOs Rule !

[@hooligantimes9132]

Bigger garage for the win!

[@HawgRiderBC]

My back got sore just watching you ride that Evo chopper.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Lol it was actually better than I thought it would be

[@HawgRiderBC]

@OldNotDead-Club I had a highly modified Softail for 27 years, but it was a Softail, handled like a sack of potatoes (compared to my BMW S1000XR). Lots of hp, big cam, heads polished ported and flow benched. But it was always breaking down. I'm 66 now, and I want reliability, power, braking, and handling. Which is why I bought an XR. But I still ride my Electra Glide about 1/3 of the time.

[@HawgRiderBC]

​@@OldNotDead-Club My dream bike used to be a CVO, but now it's the BMW M1000XR (205hp). Have you ridden a BMW lately? Not a GS, one with power, like my S1000XR?

[@OldNotDead-Club]

@@HawgRiderBC yes they are great but i started on this type of bike - HD's are slower but way more fun

[@DavidNewmanDr]

I was hoping you would include in your comparisons the next generation, the Livewires, not just old petrol bikes.