Oliver Stone Disowned The Color Grading JFK (1991) 4K ULTRA HD VS BLURAY Comparison

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[@Yeastextract]

One of the most profound 4K upgrades I’ve seen

[@TwinFlicks]

Absolutely

[@bradavon]

It's The Master that's profound then the 4K second. Much more to do with the mastering than 4K per se.

[@TwinFlicks]

The master is the 4K. The restoration was scanned in 4K from the orginal negative creating a new master.

[@southendonseaarts]

A superb restoration best JFK has ever looked finally doing this film justice.

[@DemetriosPatsiaris]

With this release and Natural Born Killers, it seems like Oliver and Shout! are a match made in Heaven. As always, Paul, excellent review. Keep up the fantastic reviews you put out.

[@TwinFlicks]

I agree. I just hope Shout can get their hands on Born on the 4th of July and/or Nixon. 4th of July is especially in need of a new transfer

[@musashi-san____1409]

Praying for Wall Street. Just hope it doesn't turn into another Platoon. 😔

[@DemetriosPatsiaris]

@@musashi-san____1409 One can only hope:)

[@bobcobb3654]

I remember when the initial JFK blu ray came out, it was around the same time WB was putting out a big blu-Ray box set of their award winners. Like 40-50 movies. Compared to this transfer, it feels like WB was just rushing through the blu Ray upgrade for the previous one so they could get it out as quick as possible.

[@kelownatechkid]

Great video, however this doesn't really show off the benefit of 4K as much as the benefit of having the director actually involved, since the fixed version is available on the regular BD too :P

[@TwinFlicks]

How does this not show the benefits of 4K when the movie is in 4K

[@switchcapturebutton]

@@TwinFlicks Because Stone's approved version is on Blu-ray too. The new Blu-ray looks great.

[@TwinFlicks]

@switchcapturebutton that's not the point of the video. The point is comparing it the preview bluray that people won who think they don't need to upgrade. There would be no comparison to the new bluray included in the set since it's the same transfer!

[@switchcapturebutton]

@@TwinFlicks Then you didn't make the point of your video clear.

[@shabad0009]

@@TwinFlicks Why didn't you compare Stones approved Blu-ray version of JFK with the 4K? This isn't a fair comparison.

[@daninbox]

In terms of your opening argument, the fair thing would have been to compare the new Shout 4K with the new Shout Blu-ray (also included in the same set). By instead using a totally different and outdated Blu-ray, you are attributing things to the 4K format, that really are more to do with the new scan, color grade, and having director approval.

[@jetuber]

This is a good point. When people speak of colours being associated with a specific format, they're really just talking about a specific scan and timing or grading job. I think it's just a shorthand way of addressing the issue, but it IS inaccurate. I generally associate ugly urine-hued and/or teal-and-orange grading with blu-rays, but that's only because this style of grading became hegemonic not long after the blu-ray format emerged. These days, even DVDs often exhibit the same ugly colour revisionism.

[@switchcapturebutton]

@@jetuber It's crazy how there are sometimes color grade trends, where maybe one movie does something different, and suddenly everyone chases after the same look, regardless of if it's revisionism.

[@TwinFlicks]

What would be the point? The bluray included is sourced from the the same 4K master which means it has the same color grading. How is that a comparison? The entire point of the video is comparing it to the bluray we already have and if its worth upgrading.

[@daninbox]

​@@TwinFlicks To start the video, you mentioned that this video is for people who think the 4K format is a gimmick and can't tell the difference between it and Blu-ray. I'm saying that in order to fairly show the differences between the formats, we should be comparing how the same restoration looks on each. Not pitting one color grade that's director approved versus one that isn't.

[@TwinFlicks]

@daninbox that would defeat the purpose of the video. People say there is no point to upgrade from their bluray to the new 4k. This video shows why they should. And what a new 4k restoration can do

[@ModernStacker]

Incredible review. Adding this set to my priority pickup list. Cheers!

[@lunaracc914]

I'm honestly most happy the theatrical cut was put back into circulation, despite it being only 1080p

[@user-ve1lz9dm6j]

The film JFK truly deserves it. One for the ages.

[@JFLessard]

Just bought it after watching your video! Good job and thx.

[@TwinFlicks]

Nice. Your going to enjoy it!

[@wesrm1]

Excellent! This is so much better than the blu-ray. I hope Shout gives Stone's "Nixon" the 4k treatment. They are doing a phenomenal job working through his filmography.

[@jr4bz]

Wow, this really is a massive upgrade. Just ordered mine yesterday!

[@treadstone1970]

The one I been looking forward to.

[@corradoparris9679]

Nice in depth video/review. It looks great and sounds awesome on my home theater setup. With 11.2.2 with my new Samsung 65” tv, and Denon avr- 6700h receiver.

[@LennyNero2019]

That's nearly not enough speakers, should be 18.6.12.5432587 😂

[@221B1989]

Great video! The 4K upgrade is so much better. *chef’s kiss

[@kascnef]

Is it in stock on Amazon

[@TwinFlicks]

JFK - Collector's Edition 4K Ultra HD + Blu-ray [4K UHD] a.co/d/bue4k2B

[@sexymonkey-zw5zq]

are the blu-ray shots that you show taken from the 2008 Warner one that you refer to, because I noticed you have the 2017 re-released 20th Century Fox edition, which left me a little confused.

[@TwinFlicks]

Both blurays are the same HD transfer. So it doesn't matter what year I chose. They both are identical

[@sexymonkey-zw5zq]

@@TwinFlicks oh, the 2017 version is titled 'Restored' so if it's actually not, that's even more confusing. I bought that as I thought it's an upgraded/improved transfer

[@TwinFlicks]

@sexymonkey-zw5zq it's the same HD transfer according to Oliver Stone

[@corradoparris9679]

I hope one day Shout Factory could redo Terminator 2 the way they did JFK.

[@TwinFlicks]

James Cameron and his team at Lightstorm are working on it

[@martinclinton6284]

@@TwinFlicksLet's hope the don't do a 'True Lies' on it!!

[@jonathanaldecoa1099]

I haven’t upgraded to 4K but I have this set because it includes both cuts of the film on blu ray as well. The blu ray on the Shout looks pretty good to me. 🕺😎

[@TwinFlicks]

It will since the included bluray has the same 4k transfee

[@jonathanaldecoa1099]

@@TwinFlicks correct good sir. When I do upgrade to 4K, I’ll already have a copy of one my most favorite films of all time 😎

[@kthx1138]

Of course the 4K looks better by a country mile!

[@bradavon]

Of course it's not do with the 4K but the better master though. The new Blu-ray is also a country mile improvement too.

[@mmagiraffe]

@@bradavonYeah I bought the set for the new Blu-ray. It's a major improvement over the previous release.

[@redadamearth]

Ah, very nice. Might have to pick this up. There have been some superb 4K releases, in general lately, including "Conan the Barbarian", which looks incredible.

[@4luvofmovies485]

I have the same. Uk Blu-ray version went with that cause it was hard to find. I got and watched it. My thoughts were the same as yours with picture Quality. And of course now it’s on 4K But yeah. What a difference. Should of held out a little longer

[@stephenmanley4097]

I have a copy on order, it's not available in UK so I'm importing a copy. Good review.

[@TwinFlicks]

It's definitely worth the import

[@jonathanlimjun6238]

Warner Blu-ray vs Shout Factory Blu-ray

[@ricogomez4020]

Has SHOUT! ever used ATMOS for their 4k releases?

[@TwinFlicks]

Yes

[@ricogomez4020]

I remember having JFK on laserdisc and that sounded great. Better than this 4k.@@TwinFlicks

[@TwinFlicks]

Ok?

[@thecrowpit24]

Coraline has Dolby Atmos sound.

[@DemetriosPatsiaris]

Yes, many UHD releases contain Atmos mixes.

[@TheUnalteredMyth]

So glad I never bought that blu ray

[@filmbuff2777]

Oh, I didn't know Warner Bros. botched the blu ray, so it didn't bother me. The 4k restoration does look better. I might have to get this new set.

[@TwinFlicks]

I always knew the bluray looked bad but I didn't understand what happened until I did research for this video.

[@LarryFleetwood8675]

WB have long been notoriously infamous for adding blue and other stupid sh*t to their releases of classics on both DVD and Blu-ray, so not surprised they did that here too. It's not really seen in the grabs over on capsaholics though, maybe they just chose scenes or shots not affected by it.

[@manofocean]

Wow that is incredible -- I can't believe how crunched some of the blacks on the original blu ray are; it looks terrible. I wonder what source is used on streaming platforms -- I haven't watched it on one

[@LennyNero2019]

Yeah, usually the damn 'HDR' looks like the bottom, BD version to me - darker, bleaker, wrong color - but this time it's actually better. Although I didn't mind that transfer, does help it feel less cheery and warm, more like a documentary...

[@FirstmaninRome]

my favorite film, glad I didn't buy that bluray, now will this 4k play on my blu ray/dvd player though????

[@FirstmaninRome]

no, I'll have to stick to my dvd collectors edition, can't get a new set up for One movie, though it is The Best

[@luisrizo8813]

My mistake; thought something was wrong with the new version.

[@TwinFlicks]

Oh no not at all. It dominates the bluray

[@luisrizo8813]

@@TwinFlicks Gonna sell that OS 3 pack now that they've been superseded.

[@just_delightful]

And Cameron approved the awful Abyss color grade- crazy times

[@TwinFlicks]

What makes you think it's awful? I saw the 4k and it's the best it's ever looked!

[@raymondleggs5508]

The blu ray looked like vcd lol

[@jetuber]

I don't keep up with all of the 4K releases, but this is one of the very few times when I've seen that a remastering has been done right. Usually, these days (and for at least the last 10 or 15 years) remastering has just meant reducing the colour palette of any movie into an ugly two-colour binary -- teal and orange -- and/or soaking the entire movie in what can only be described as a urine tint. if all 4Ks began being remastered to bring back the kind of full-colour palette that we used to get with DVDs (despite their weak resolution level), more people would actually fork out for 4K-ready equipment.

[@TwinFlicks]

Recently, thanks to all these boutique labels like Shout Factory they have been including the director or the cinematographer to ensure accuracy, bringing the film's back to their or as close as possible to their theatrical presentation.

[@jetuber]

@@TwinFlicks That's a tricky issue too for various reasons: theatrical prints might have yellowed or faded with age; directors or cinematographers might have differing opinions, or their tastes might have changed over time (*cough* Michael Mann *cough*); the lab that produced the prints might have had their own inclinations, etc. etc. Generally, DVDs got colours right, IF they were working with good materials; the DVD format just suffered due to its inherently poor resolution. Ultimately, the only valid judge is the buyer of the end product, because it's his money that's being forked out. That's why I'm very grateful for any cap comparisons, such as the video that you created here: the images speak for themselves, and viewers can make their own determinations. But it's sad that these days, one has no way of knowing what the colour scheme of a new release may be unless one does advance research. This is holding back new-format adoption as much as is equipment costs.

[@TwinFlicks]

@jetuber that's why they restore them from the orginal 35mm negative and not a Theatrical print

[@stonesfan285]

The screenshots you showed basically just proves my point. It's just colored differently.

[@TwinFlicks]

Of course it's colored differently LOL that's the whole point of the video! The color garding was wrong and not approved by Oliver stone on the previous bluray. Now the 4K has the colors corrected! Back to its orgrinal theatrical appearance.

[@DemetriosPatsiaris]

The color grading performed for the older HD scan was done without the participation of the DP and the Director. As Paul states in his video, they were involved and approved the mastering of this new UHD.

[@stonesfan285]

If you took that 4K transfer and converted it to a Blu-ray, my guess is you would not be able to tell much difference. 4K seems like better transfers are getting done but most times it's just different coloring.

[@TwinFlicks]

The 4k transfer is on the included bluray ans you get all the same colors as the UHD its just on a 1080p disc and no HDR or Dolby Vison

[@DemetriosPatsiaris]

The included Blu-ray contains the same 4K UHD master. Paul was comparing the older HD scan to the new 4K master.

[@MarcelLambert2009]

Sadly only available in collector edition at a ridiculous price.

[@TwinFlicks]

$43 is ridiculous? For 3 discs

[@MarcelLambert2009]

75 CAD with tax in Canada@@TwinFlicks

[@jonathanaldecoa1099]

JFK is a film that I don’t mind having a collector edition of. It’s a fantastic film 😎❤️

[@MarcelLambert2009]

$ 75 CAD with tax in Canada@@TwinFlicks

[@bradavon]

Odd to claim 4K is so much better based on a totally different master being used. It's much more to do with the mastering than 4K per se. As evidenced by the fact the 4K also has a much improved new Blu-ray too.

[@TwinFlicks]

That's what a 4K is. Remastering the film

[@DemetriosPatsiaris]

The master was created in 4K resolution. The extra resolution is a part of what makes it special.

[@hardnine]

This is such a bad example..its very rare for the 4k to look this different..this is more a problem of a badly graded bluray..

[@bradavon]

Exactly. The 4K also has a new Blu-ray using the same master as the 4K. He's claiming it's the 4K that's creating the difference when it's mostly the mastering.

[@TwinFlicks]

@bradavon umm the Bluray included is sourced from the 4K restoration the same used for the UHD disc. I never said once that the bluray was bad. If you watched the video I said the PREVIOUS bluray was done badly which is a known fact.

[@TwinFlicks]

That's the entire point of the comparison. With the 4K restoration they fixed the color garding.

[@DemetriosPatsiaris]

@hardnine How is this a bad example? This is a comparison video and is meant to show you the differences between a HD scan performed many years ago, done without the approval of either the director nor the director of photography, and a 4K UHD master created last year with their participation.

[@DemetriosPatsiaris]

@@bradavon You keep harping on this throughout the comment section and I don't exactly know what you mean. The master is a 4K UHD master and the extra resolution allows more detail to be resolved from the OCN.

[@JeePee1971]

I'm looking forward to your review about this 4K. Unfortunately the movie itself is outdated. I don't know if that's the right word for it. But things like the 'magic bullet' have been explained eversince the movie came out. I've seen a lot of documentaries about the association over the years. The movie doesn't hold up.

[@musashi-san____1409]

What an absurd thing to say. The story was always questionable, but the performances weren't.

[@TwinFlicks]

Or the filmmaking. The only part thats really outdated is the magic bullet theory that Oliver Stone has since said he regrets doing.

[@Yeastextract]

Do you have any links to how the magic bullet theory has been explained? I’ve looked but am not finding anything which fits your description.

[@treadstone1970]

What an inept comment. Movie holds up just well. Only thing outdated which doesn't hold at all is the fabricated and fictional Warren Commission report fairytale. Try watching the four part documentary JFK Destiny Betrayed also by Oliver Stone.

[@brunomachado7279]

I remember liking the film, but nothing that special. Maybe because I'm not American. Sure, it's an historical event, but it certainly touches american people more strongly.

[@_OMAC_Ex_379]

You are comparing a film fully restored in 4K from original film negative to a blu ray release that was put out more than a decade ago; of course theirs going to be a noticeable difference. How about you compare the 4K SHOUT disc to the Blu Ray disc that comes with the Shout Factory combo and tell me how big of a difference there is with that?

[@TwinFlicks]

What would be the point? It's the identical 4k transfer just without HDR Dolby Vision and not 2160p. The entire point is to see if the 4k restoration is worth upgrading for a previous bluray.

[@DemetriosPatsiaris]

Because the master is used for both. The point of the video is to delineate between the new UHD master to the older HD scan.