OP1 vs OPZ | BEAT FIGHTER!

[@OllieLoops]

Dear viewers, as you may already know, sampling has been added to the OP-Z. Check out our video tutorial about it here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/r5TUXmajdr12fpI

[@ingenuk4266]

You should update this video.

[@nicolascoquin7760]

02:35 Update on this, TE finally released an Android app for the OP-Z !

[@OllieLoops]

True! Thanks for the update.

[@HelloFabs]

this was such a good spirited comparison! Loved the announcement at the end hehe :) Would love to see more comparisons like this in the future, not just hardware, but also softwares, etc :)

[@OllieLoops]

Thanks! Good thoughts. We'll see what we can do.

[@howardanderson3061]

OMG, so entertaining,nice work! I have both machines and you did a great job of comparing features, and did it through a fun way using the classic fight/shootout gear thing.Well done, love what you do!

[@OllieLoops]

Hey Howard, Thanks for your comment! I appreciate your support, as always!

[@crieverytim]

do you recommend both or favor one above the other?

[@howardanderson3061]

Wow thats a tough question. Now that the OP-Z has sampling, maybe just maybe I'd get the OP-Z. That being said, I have both just because I love them both

[@OllieLoops]

@@howardanderson3061 Hey Howard, I'm curious. What's your thoughts on the new sampling features on the OPZ?

[@howardanderson3061]

OK Finally! I have installed the latest OP-Z software and I must say, that I am giddy over the sampling capabilities, so much fun. It's very simple and it really allows you to personalize your sounds. I fell that it loosens up what might be construed as a kind of rigid sampler and turns everything on it's head. Kudos to TE, this is a game changer. I'm looking forward to more modules and software upgrades.

[@VictorSteiner]

Now that the OP-Z can sample ... do we get a 2.0 of this?

[@OllieLoops]

VictorSteiner thanks for your comment. It’s highly possible to have a rematch in the future.

[@OllieLoops]

Out of curiosity, what categories would people want to see if there were a rematch?

[@_ar8410]

Ollie Loops user friendliness

[@davidborn5845]

It also has android support now

[@christopherscheidel5431]

Thanks for the entertaining and useful comparison.

[@shanekrauchi2357]

9:56: Beats and song. The OP-Z is hard to beat. Point to the OP-Z. *bass drop*

[@matthewstein1110]

I swear every time I watch one of your videos I end up looking at your sub count and wonder how in the hell you don’t have tens of thousands. Your content is amazing!

[@lucadante2260]

same here

[@OllieLoops]

Thanks so much Matt!

[@CP-rg9pp]

Great review !! But I think some stuff for OP-Z are not mentioned : Sampler (it's been said) and the visual/lights/video elements, the audio interface/soundcard, and the fact that it will evolve with times (os updates, modules like oplab...). And I really think that if you make a part about the synth, you should have done a part about the drum machine tracks and sounds of it cause it's a great aspect of the machine.

[@moose6662]

i dont get how you dont have at least 1k subs quality content bro well done

[@OllieLoops]

Thanks for your comment. Hopefully people will keep discovering the channel and we will keep growing. I appreciate your support!

[@howardanderson3061]

totally agree with you.

[@andreacrisante6575]

I have both.. Op-z is my best friend. Thanks for this awesome fight dude.

[@OllieLoops]

Hey, thanks for your comment and support. What do you like most about the OP-Z?

[@andreacrisante6575]

Ollie Loops, the Op-1 is something like a wife or a caring mother, the Op-1 is like a cosy home, like a strong father, or an older friend and so on.. Op-z is like a bitch, a warm lover, a sweet moment, sometimes short like everything awesome but at the same time crispy and charming. Both are beautiful companions that make my life better. Thanks for your inquiry dude. And of course thanks for your great job on your youtube channel. Andrea

[@crieverytim]

@@andreacrisante6575 i don't know why i gave you a like. not exactly helpful but i appreciated it anyway

[@rasaua]

@@crieverytim same here...

[@Khordmaster]

Bro? We have the same best friend?!? 😅

[@jimlampshady]

Lots of useful, basic comparison info, but point tally may be somewhat misleading as all the categories certainly dont have the same importance. For example, sequencer and sound quality are two factors that are surely more important than screen vs iPhone? I wanted an OP-1 for ages and am now kicking myself I didnt get one before they went out of production and shot up in price. However, based purely on the sequencing capabilities, I am now thinking the OP-Z may be the better device for me. Actually, the comparison video that would be most useful (for me) would be just looking at the sequencing and workflow on both. I would be very interested to see your take on that.

[@OllieLoops]

Hey Jim, Thanks for your insightful comment. My take on the point value of the features is that they are subjective to each user. Some people don't care about size, weight and portablity while others care a lot about those details. Keeping it general was the goal. Otherwise I would be tailoring videos to specific users. Your suggestion for a workflow comparison was received. It's a great idea and I'll see what we can do. Regarding your decision, what's the primary goal for the workflow? What features other than workflow are important to you? There are pros and cons to each device. Additionally, there are other devices out there that are also worth considering. I hope that helps!

[@howardanderson3061]

Hey Jim, I have both machines and of course they are both wonderful as well as fun, however the sequencer in the op-z is a powerhouse. No comparison IMHO

[@jimlampshady]

@@howardanderson3061 Nice 1 Howard. Yes, leaning towards OP-Z, just a little afraid it will make my PO 32 and 33 obsolete. Out with the old and in with the new I spose.... That said, I am currently dreaming of getting my MPC2000 and S3000xl outta storage and swapping out floppy drives for SD drives. Out with the old and in with the game-changing upgrades?

[@hankrank9403]

jim barnard In my opinion this is a great video. There are others that you can spend hours watching to compare sound but these devices are about an experience and I think this video is unique in explaining this in a fun but useful way. I was lucky to get the OP1 when it was lower price and was unsure initially about the OP-Z. I am now starting to understand how to make it work for me. It’s really good value and it’s not even been updated yet. The OP1 improved so much with the updates. You pocket operators will still be useful, especially the PO-32 that sounds truly amazing to me. Good luck with your decision!

[@jimlampshady]

@@hankrank9403 Nice 1, thanks Hank.

[@GeorgeCopperfield]

Do the Organelle-M vs OP-1, please!!

[@AstralVelvetV12]

I see you had ghe sp403sx midi hooked up yo ghe op-z, would you know how I go about midi syncing a novation lsunchkey mini mk3 and 404sx??

[@OllieLoops]

Hey, sorry for the delayed response. You should be able to connect them via midi. I believe the Novation may require an adaptor for the midi output to a standard 5 pin din. Once you have that connected, you will need to adjust the keyboard range(octave) on the keyboard until the keys correspond with the SP. the SP has a specific range of notes for its pads, check out the manual for more info. If I remember correctly, you may also need to enable midi on the SP. Again, check out the SP manual. But it should be pretty easy. I hope that helps.

[@crieverytim]

the keys on the 1 seem so much easier than the Z. do you find yourself messing up due to the button aspect rather than keyboard? i have the 1, thinking i may get both - route 1 output to the Z and do sequencing in there...

[@OllieLoops]

Hey, thanks for your comment. Yes, the keys on the OP1 are easier to play. And the OPZ keys quite small. But using an external midi keyboard is a decent solution on both devices. In terms of routing audio, I haven't found a convenient way to do this yet. They are better integrated in terms of midi, but not audio. I hope that helps.

[@jasonwavz3378]

A couple of things you didnt factor in was the Video packs that come with the op-z and the lighting controls that are also in the op-z. Loved the video!!

[@OllieLoops]

Thanks!

[@definitejux1265]

These videos are amazing

[@OllieLoops]

DefiniteJux thanks! Long live DefJux!

[@wesley939]

I'm cryiiinnnnnn. Much love from NYC!!!

[@wesley939]

I wrote this in the first one minute

[@OllieLoops]

Thanks for your support!

[@crieverytim]

@@wesley939 lol, you're weird. i wrote this in the first month. side eye from NYC!!!

[@wesley939]

@@crieverytim this video was funny af

[@haydenredmond1153]

Great video! I was wondering if you would be able to elaborate about your reasoning for round #7. Just from looking at both units it seems clear that the OP-1 has far more options for sequencing + they seem like they each serve their own purpose. Really loved the video!

[@OllieLoops]

Hayden Redmond hey, thanks for your comment. The OP1’s sequencers are elementary compared to the OPZ. Although the OP1 has some sequencers built in, they are either difficult to use or they are highly limited. In terms of usability and ease of use, the OPZ has a better workflow with much more control over pattern sequencing. I hope that helps.

[@bw9181]

Why do the little spinny things on the OP-Z look like it would fit one of those lego rods?

[@OllieLoops]

The OPZ can accept certain LEGO parts in the encoders.

[@bw9181]

@@OllieLoops wow that's crazy creative. Never knew that!

[@OllieLoops]

Yeah. TE actually made a kit for the OP1, which is also LEGO compatible.

[@Imetalman2000]

I have both. Both are fun, both make great tracks with tons of flexibility. The OP-1 work flow is way more enjoyable. However the OpZ is really amazing for live jamming. The opz is feature packed, but the learning curve make it hard to get the full potential.

[@sonicultura]

Also now it's a sampler with USB Host audio in/out functionality and they are the same!? :)

[@OllieLoops]

Hey, thanks for your comment. The competition is heating up!

[@sonicultura]

@@OllieLoops I think people don't realize the OP-Z is very very powerful I love that it can do so much. Did you mention BLE connectivity? ;)

[@OllieLoops]

@@sonicultura it is a very powerful device. I agree it can do so much! I believe screen connectivity via Bluetooth was mentioned. How are you using BLE connectivity?

[@icecreammm2]

I had the OP-1 and recently bought the OP-Z and I like the OP-Z a lot more. The 4 track tape mechanism from the OP-1 really ruined the user experience for me. While the OP-1 has a built in screen, it really does not show that much of information. The OP-1 has a few more synth parameters to change which gives more freedom in sculpting sounds, but on the other hand the OP-Z always gives you usable sounds when tinkering with the limited sound engines/parameters. If only TE could have made the OP-Z more durable... Things like bent cases and double triggers are things that scare people from buying these at the high price.

[@koskey06]

What would you recommend for someone who has NO music background but wants to make beats?

[@OllieLoops]

Between these two? I would say the OPZ. Overall, I would look at the MPC One. It offers a lot of value for beginning and advanced users. If you’re ok using your computer, check out Maschine MKiii. If you have an iPad, check out Beat Maker 3. Let me know what you decide.

[@Langy.]

What would you recommend for someone who has a classic background in music, can play violin, and used to write a bit of music?

[@marike1100]

The OP-1 was in production for something like 7 years, and is still commanding high 1K+ prices on the used market. The OP-Z seems to already be out of production which probably means it never caught on like the OP-1. This alone should tell us which unit the majority of users preferred.

[@OllieLoops]

Hey, thanks for your comment. Good insights. Check out of Beat Fighter 2 video, we talk a bit about retained and resell value of both units. Also, both units go in and out of availability on TE's site, which is common. The OP-Z isn't discontinued, its just out of stock. The OP-1 has frequently been out of stock. I think this is a strategy for TE to keep demand high without overproducing and overstocking the units.

[@febbone]

The op-z is fun until some buttons wont respond anymore and a replacement board. "To fix the double trigger issue we might have to replace the front panel assembly. Here's an estimated price: * Front panel assembly: € 324,14 * 60 min repair work: €80"

[@OllieLoops]

Ouch, that's an expensive fix! Was that a quote from TE or a third party repair company?

[@wesleysweeney7185]

Who does the point go to in Round 9?

[@OllieLoops]

Wesley Sweeney hey, the op1 gets the point. Our graphics department messed up.

[@dRty88]

Good video, man. Currently i want to sell my OP-1 and to give a try to OP-Z. For me, four tracks are not enough. The sequencer capabilities on OP-Z are the next plus for me over OP-1. Also the mixer has more channels, so you can mix without overdubbing which for me is hard. I just can't imagine how with 4 tracks you can be all the time precise with filtering, volume level for each sounds and so on.. Overdubbing is not just for me. When i finish some i want to have the possibility to export/record each sound separately for mixing, but i don't see good workflow for that with OP-1 when I'm using it as standalone machine. I want just to play some of my ideas as fast as i can without thinking all of the stuff mentioned in my last two sentences, because ideas come and go.. But maybe i will regret for the synthesis differences between both of them. That's why I'm still thinking if it's good idea.

[@OllieLoops]

@KingOfTheFlowers Hey, thanks for your comment! I understand where you're coming from. I too find the workflow on the OP1 a bit challenging. I usually have to re-record parts several times on the OP1 because of bad timing or something. I think this caps my creativity to some extent. And these obstacles interfere with my train of thought and workflow. So I avoid using the OP1 as a standalone workstation because it doesn't work well for me. With that said, the workflow on the OPZ is much more suited to my style of working. By comparison to the OP1, the OPZ is much easier and quicker to use. I much prefer the sequencer on the OPZ. Now, in terms of synthesis, the OPZ is plenty powerful for most people. Its still good for sound design, its just not as flexible as the OP1. If your style of work and music is not heavily dependent on synths, the OPZ may be a viable option for you. Also, the world of portable workstations is not limited to these too units, you may want to look at the Synthstrom Deluge as well. I hope that helps! Let me know what you decide. As an aside, I know you can pull the individual 4 track wavs off the OP1 and drop that into a DAW to help separate the tracks for mixing. Some people like doing this, and doing the final mixing and mastering in a DAW for greater control. Just a thought, if you have a DAW, you can try this workflow, it could help give you more control of your sound.

[@crieverytim]

why not both?

[@bayarealosttracks6451]

Might be good to keep both to see possible combo beakers. Run OP-Z through CWO and eq. Add op1 play fx to OP-Z track post mangling for eq mid boost. Record Z pattern and output audio on album. Create a mash up with op1samples ringing for 1- second to six minutes while Z pattern loops various patterns.

[@crieverytim]

Pete Edwards, you're a mad man

[@crieverytim]

thats why i use it to just sketch ideas and deal w mistakes later in ableton. i dont like that i can't work on .multiple projects though. when i get stuck i want to move on but dont want to export it because ive had issues importing it back in. still love this thing though

[@sharkfortytwo]

Nice video! although i do disagree with the outcome of one of the rounds: Screen. you might think op1 should be the obvious winner because it has a screen, i would argue that the opz wins the point because you can still use it without one! let me see someone do that with an op-1. And also of you Do choose to use your ios screen with the op-z, it gives you much more visual feedback at a glance than the op1, basically all of the track number menus you have to shift through on the op-1 is presented in a nice neat package on one screen in the app. bonus point: no screen = one less thing to break and have to potentially replace

[@OllieLoops]

Hey Josh. Thanks for your comment. First, I can appreciate where you're coming from. Regarding the screen, I will give you my perspective, in addition to what was said in the video. Features like a screen can differentiate devices from being ordinary to being exceptional. If you're familiar with the Ableton Push 1 and Push 2, the screen improvement on the 2 was such a huge upgrade that it is worth upgrading just for the improved screen. Screens are part of the feature set that many consumers consider. And seeing the graphics and interface in combination with the quality of the screen were some of the features that sold me on the OP1. From a graphic design and UI perspective, the OP1 deserves the awards it received over the years. And I bought into that because of my design and UI background. And thus, it gets my point for being innovative and inspiring to work with. Regarding the comparison of the two screens, I think people are getting caught up in workflow in relation to the screen / no screen argument. I think this is a separate topic. And the OPZ would win in terms of workflow. Lastly, and hopefully I'm not being too argumentative, I don't think it would be fair to give a point or bonus point to the OPZ for a lack of screen. I think that's like saying, "well, its a bonus that my car only has three wheels instead of four because that's one less tire to get a flat." Maybe, but you sacrifice the drivability of the car for such a minimal gain. Ok, Thanks again for your comment. And I appreciate you sharing your perspective.

[@Chucosan]

yes if somehow the op1 screen went out it would not be useable ... where as the OPz functionality is all there sans screen.

[@jusmith_music]

What would you prefer?

[@OllieLoops]

jusmith hey, thanks for your comment and good question. For sound design, the op1. For general use, the opz. If I’m traveling than the opz is a fun piece to have and it’s ultra portable.

[@jusmith_music]

Ollie Loops Alrighty, subscribed. Thanks for your reply. I bought an opz and now in a critical to buy op 1 or not. Could you also explore the new sampling capability of op Z.

[@OllieLoops]

@@jusmith_music hey, thanks for your support! Much appreciated. There are plans to show the new sampling functions on the OPZ. Stay tuned. Regarding the OP1, that's a tough one for me to answer for you. It really depends on your workflow. I understand that there was further integration with the op1 added to the OPZ's firmware in addition to its sampling features. I haven't tested those out yet. But theoretically, they should be a powerful duo.

[@rejerh8731]

Seems light in feature comparisons: No mention to DMX and Graphics control on the Op-z, nor capacity to output CV, nor dedicated tape track, nor effect track, nor step components... sure screens are nice... that being said I never use my OP-Z with a screen. OP-1 do have lots of lovely synth engines though that's for sure!

[@OllieLoops]

Rej Erh thanks for your comment.

[@coyotesynth]

The statement OP-Z cannot sample is not true anymore: the recent OS release make it able to sample.

[@OllieLoops]

coyotesynth that’s now true. Thanks.

[@trejogregorio]

you cannot sample from radio in the op-z, and standalone sample editing is easier with the op-1's screen, so op-1 is still better in this regard

[@OllieLoops]

@@trejogregorio Thanks Gregorio! I agree with your statement.

[@steinhalvorsen_]

REMATCH!

[@OllieLoops]

haha! It's a possibility. What categories would you include in the rematch?

[@Giga1023]

WELCOME TO BEAT MEATERZ

[@kevinbirge2130]

I want the OP-1.

[@___Benedetto]

My OP-Z is coming in Wednesday I can’t wait .

[@OllieLoops]

nice. enjoy!

[@ilqrd.6608]

OPZ looks like such huge step back just to look for more minimalism...what a huge let down honestly...

[@MilesMalcom]

op-1 is one of the coolest looking electronic devices in history

[@OllieLoops]

It is special.

[@MrJackal43]

I digress on the Op-1’s sequencers.... the fact there are many different types of sequencers and that they are graphical in nature destroys the Op-Z’s basic LED step sequencer. You’re way off on this.

[@sonicultura]

They are the same! First round should be OP-Z! :)

[@OllieLoops]

sonicultura thanks for your comment. Round one did technically go to the opz, 2 points to 1.

[@ahmedkhalil3015]

👍🏽 on the way out

[@leewightman8619]

The op1 has a cool cow and monkeys that's a winner in my eyes

[@OllieLoops]

It is a fun unit, including the graphics.

[@lottnio8207]

These old things are interesting and funny but it is amazing that nowdays you can do everything and more with a cell phone!

[@OllieLoops]

Thanks for your comment. That's a good point about cell phones, you can do more with them than most devices. However, I think a lot of people prefer the tactile feel of dedicated instruments and devices.

[@JuanSanchez-rb4qu]

Which apps would you recommend for that?

[@OllieLoops]

@@JuanSanchez-rb4qu Hey, thanks for your comment. I recommend checking out Beat Maker 3. I think it's iPad only at the moment. But it's basically an MPC for your iPad. You could also check out Garage Band or even FL Studio Mobile. There's quite a few decent ones out there.

[@JuanSanchez-rb4qu]

@@OllieLoops alright, any suggestion for android systems tho?

[@OllieLoops]

Juan Sanchez Fl Studio Mobile is available on Android. Otherwise, check out Beat Snap.

[@deepfractal923]

I was making music with my op1 in my bedroom on the first week that I bought it and then I dropped it on my dresser. it was literally like a 2-inch drop and now the volume knob is busted and the things is like obsolete for me now.

[@OllieLoops]

Deep Fractal oh no!! Sorry to hear that. There are some replacement parts out there. I’ve heard of people repairing them. I hope you get fixed!

[@deepfractal923]

@@OllieLoops thanks yo I'll try

[@hdrtshrd]

i have a pc screen isnt the point not having one

[@OllieLoops]

I think it's the difference between talking to someone on the phone and having a video call. For music, you just need to listen. But when programming a beat, you get much more information when you have a screen full of information. And adding a screen isn't going to hurt. Ultimately, it's subjective.

[@va941]

I THINK this was a bit of a unfair fight, The Op-Z was handicapped like -45%, fighting with rules(categories) that heavily favoired The op1....so, IT was a fixed fight ladys And gents...

[@OllieLoops]

thanks for your feedback.

[@archangelmichael5908]

The Op1 and the Opz are honestly not supposed to compare. They are two different products for two different people. It's not a competition. They were released by the same people.

[@thegroove2000]

The OPZ is too geeky.

[@op-z]

need more subz!

[@OllieLoops]

Hey, thanks for your comment. I agree! Spread the word!

[@bakhtawarhamzairfan4502]

opz is bast

[@kaitsobato]

Sad to say but the op-z has to be the most disappointing follow up on hardware for me :/ I'd love to have a OP-2 instead :(

[@OllieLoops]

I agree. Thanks for sharing.

[@vascofernandes2111]

uhhhh I'm like number 1000 :)

[@OllieLoops]

Thanks!

[@wra7h]

The opz looks like a little turd I'd hate to spend money on it.

[@disxiple_113]

These two instruments are not even meant to be in the same vein.

[@OllieLoops]

Thanks for your comment. Which two categories would you put these devices into?

[@bayarealosttracks6451]

Different while still complimentary. OP-Z really owns the tricky timing variations that keep things interesting and catchy. Random and fx modulation are its strengths. OP1 is the better synth and more portastudio end to end functional - zero to playing mixdown in car. Z is faster but limited on keys, eq, fx, and lack of full track mixdowns.