Olympus 100-400mm vs. Panasonic 100-400mm - [WHICH one to get?]

[@ForsgardPeter]

👉 My first impression video about the Olympus 100-400mm f5.0-6.3 IS lens: kzbin.info/www/bejne/lZDRpIujha2VrMk

[@wickie4801]

Hello Peter, another question: I have newly bought an old analog Pen F from 60's. Could you say, what is the name of old lenses or can you write the name of an adapter to connect new MFT lenses to this old model? It's relatively hard to find out for me because of different designations... Thank you.

[@robinwong]

I WANNA BE IN THIS VIDEO!!!! So nice to see both of you together again, and perfect timing for the 100-400mm lens battle. A lot of people will want to see this! Great job both of you!

[@ForsgardPeter]

When the pandemia is over we will be all three in the same video.

[@jiffijoff9780]

Like I said on Mattis channel: its wonderful to see you both in one video, and for sure, Robin, you're missing the party. C'mon on over as soon as restrictions allow - I cant wait for it 🤞😉👍👍📷 Well done all of you three, for the past and to come videos, thanks a lot.

[@mkoschara]

@@ForsgardPeter The three of you will need to come down to Costa Rica!

[@koolkutz7]

Yes you need to collaborate with these 2 guys for sure Robin :-)

[@wparo]

Haha nice to see you here Mr. Wong. And I respect that you area member too.

[@JoergenKHKnudsen]

Being an “older” lens you can get used Panasonic lens much cheaper. I got my 100-400 Leica for half the price, in mint condition !

[@ruuddirks5565]

It's incredible that you can get a very good 200 - 800 mm (ff alternative) lens weighing about 1 kg for around €1500,-. One of the big advantages of the MFT system.

[@ForsgardPeter]

I totally agree.

[@koolkutz7]

Yes it is. And the Panasonic 100-300mm is even smaller and cheaper. I got some decent results from mine using it on the G80.

[@stuartnelson3202]

Plus greater equivalent amount of DOF works in your favour...

[@TerenceKearns]

Add to that, the force multiplier of AI image correction software ;) With that said, it's diminishing returns to go full frame. You pay 10 times as much to get 10% better results (compared to an R5 with a 600mm canon lens).

[@15ThousandDayCrisis]

Most important to me for this kind of lens is sharpness, speed (aperture), and stabilization.

[@keithfarquhar9819]

great to see you working together again. Cheer for this !

[@chrisearle5323]

I've been shooting wildlife for about two years now with a PZ 100-400 on an E-M5ii and can say the autofocus and IS work amazingly well. I can routinely get sharp photos at 400mm and 1/25, f6.3. The autofocus has some trouble in low light and low contrast, but once it's got it, does remarkably well tracking a moving animal.

[@danieldougan269]

I just wish these were a little faster. Rather than f4-6.3 or f5-6.3, I would prefer a constant f5.6. Honestly, I've shot with the Leica 100-400mm on Panasonic and Olympus bodies, and while the extra IS is nice when the brands match, I would not hesitate to cross-match the brands here. If either the lens or the body has image stabilization, you should be fine at the shutter speeds necessary to photograph birds anyway. No matter how much stabilization you have, they're never totally still. I'm saving my pennies for the 300mm f4.

[@AnandaSim]

Oh forgot to mention, you might try that Olympus laser sight to see whether it is easier to find and frame the bird instead of being in a narrow tunnel looking at the bird at high zoom?

[@ForsgardPeter]

Yes, the EE-1 works very well for that.

[@thomassherer8682]

I chose the 100-400 Leica lens a couple of years ago because it best suited the purpose of wildlife travel photography, which led me to get the G9 to use with it. Olympus just made the decision harder for those starting out. Either way you will get a chuckle in the birding areas when you see those poor guys schlepping the huge white lens setups along with the required tripod. You will have much better opportunities with a micro 4/3 IBIS system. You will never see the big white lenses on cross country wilderness hikes, but I have crossed paths with other MFT photographers out there. I am looking forward to meeting Olympus users with this lens in those places where the actual wildlife is found.

[@ammadoux]

fabulous video, love it. thanks Peter and Matti. i will go with Olympus version, since i have the 1.4 TC and i can benefit form the extra 160 mm it will give. an f8 is not bad in always sunny Jeddah.

[@ForsgardPeter]

That is a big benefit to be able to use MC-14 and MC-20 with the Olympus 100-400mm lens.

[@peerawaslwong]

I have Panasonic 100-400 mm already, use with my EM1 mark 3, all good.

[@Tirelirelou]

Same here. Very sharp lens even at 400mm and fast focusing (especially with the mark III).

[@c.augustin]

You two are a Micro Four Thirds dream team! As an Olympus user myself, I feel a bit sad that Sync IS and Dual IS are not compatible (I'm sure many Panasonic users do too), because in this case I think the Panasonic lens seems like a good choice (some very practical features there), but I don't like the G9 (nothing wrong with it, just not my cup of tea). I have an inkling that the Olympus might have a slight edge when it comes to bokeh, but this I would need to look at in detail, and it is not the most important criterion.

[@ForsgardPeter]

Thank you.

[@rogerdoyle4783]

I would think that the majority of photographers interested in the new 100-400mm lens will be bird/wildlife photographers. As a bird in flight photographer, the Lens IS/IBIS is not an issue at all for me. My shutter speed is always in the range of 1/1600 to 1/4000 to stop the fast action and I don't use image stabilization since it really doesn't seem to assist with shutters that fast.

[@sweden_ove2074]

I would love to see a test of how the OM-D together with Zuiko 100-400 works for flight photographing especially using the ProCapture function. I believe that ProCapture might overrun the issue to get the target despite lagging EVF compared to mirror cameras. Almost all tests are focusing on wildlife, and I would like to start flight photographing. I have the OM-D E-M3. Is the Oly 100-400 good enough for airshow photography?

[@garybrown9719]

Speed is the key for me the 42.5 f1.2 Can stop action in low light Im want the 200mm f/2.8 but Would I use the 50-200mm more often

[@johnpritchard348]

Hi John... From New Zealand. I have the Olympus OM-D E-M1 MK II (with upgraded Firmware)... And thinking of upgrading to the new OM-1 Body, however I'm told OM will not support the 2x lenses that are Panasonic Leica I have, namely the 100-400mm and the 8-18mm I have which were bought before Olympus had these lenses available the one I use the most is the 100-400mm its light and fast, I use it mainly for bird Photos, and would like to buy the new OM-1 but worried that the Auto-focus wont work so good? Have you tested it on the new camera? As its a big expense, I need to keep the lenses I have. I also have the 12-100 F4.0 Olympus Pro ...my favorite lens, pus the 60mm Macro... of course. Love to hear from you... and keep up the wonderful You Tubes. Regards J.

[@reittila]

The idea behind m.Zuiko 100-400 "new" IS's way of working propably is that 300Pro's sync IS does not work well when shooting flying birds (or moving objetc in general) but IBIS alone does. The best way of implementation would have been to allow the IBIS and lens IS to be set independently thru body setup so that the setup could be saved to a custom memory for different shooting situations. Hopefully that can be done with future body FW uppgrades.

[@ForsgardPeter]

Thanks for the info.

[@michelmayette9430]

hello, for me, with this style of lenses it is the speed of autofocus that takes precedence

[@hanzkilian1806]

Hi Peter, I have both lenses and a OM-D E-M1 mkII and the G9. For my money I tried to make the G9 and Panasonic lens work , but for all the allowances I gave the Panasonic system, I keep coming back to the Olympus system The Panasonic has a bad hunting problem. Anyway thanks for your videos. cheers from Australia

[@wickie4801]

Hello Peter/Matti, for the first time I would prefer the Panasonic lens instead of the Olympus. Why? Not for f4.0/5.0. But for the weight/ length and usability features. If Ibis is more or less the same, it would be nicer to have the compact one. To be honest: I don' really need this zoom 100-400. I'm not doing action or sports photography. But if... the Pana seems better to carry around.

[@ForsgardPeter]

You are right, if a smaller lens is the thing > Panasonic is smaller.

[@tizio54]

Before you decide between Olympus and Panasonic, check out the following video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aXWumpdnfrSdrJY

[@CarolyneMacMillan]

If you don't really use this focal length very often maybe the 40-150 with the 1.4 or 2 converter might be an even better option. That's what I love about M4/3s, the options available so you can fine tune your gear purchases to your specific needs.

[@wickie4801]

Yes, thank you. I stay with Olympus/MFT.

[@wickie4801]

@@tizio54 I've done, thank you for advice.

[@Linealo]

How nice to see you two collaborate in a video. Kinda wish we heared some Finnish at some point, but I really enjoy seeing you two together in times of Corona. It gives a feeling of community and social life.

[@ForsgardPeter]

Maybe next time we speak some Finnish too!

[@Linealo]

@@ForsgardPeter That would be amazing! I don't understand Finnish myself, but I like to hear people's native languages in context. It feels quite natural and gives a authentic sense of how you two actually work together ;)

[@Enrique-the-photographer]

@@ForsgardPeter And after that, do one in spanish. LOL

[@aengusmacnaughton1375]

Two videos with two photo buddies = 4 times as much fun and education!!! :-)

[@ForsgardPeter]

Thanks.

[@Yuri-vk9wn]

The speed of this lens will have me using the 75-300mm, for my needs no real reason to get this. The 75-300 is also MUCH smaller than either. I’d rather wait on the 150-400 Pro.

[@ThePleoni]

would be interesting to compare the image quality though

[@letni9506]

How much is the 150-400 pro😀 These two lenses make perfect sense to me. And the 75-300 is so cheap now you can buy one for those need to pack light days.

[@hpeterh]

Just for completion: The Olympus lens accepts teleconverters, the panasonic lens not. The Olympus lens can also be used as a shift zoom instead of rotating the ring. According to a german Olympus technical manager this is an intentional feature. The Olympus lens supports focus stacking and procapture on Olympus bodies. According to the higher max. magnification I also expect less focus breathing, this means, if I shoot a small bird on 5 or 10 meters distance at 400mm, the image should be larger.

[@ForsgardPeter]

That is true and about those we talk more in Matti´s channel: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oKnKk6yPocuAZ8k

[@Tirelirelou]

Teleconverters makes no sense on micro 4/3 at aperture greater than F4 because of diffraction causing loss of details and contrast.

[@hpeterh]

@@Tirelirelou Sometimes you just need to see your subject just large enough to set the focus properly. For example, a small sparrow sized bird at 5m distance if you dont get the eye in focus at f/5.6 and 300mm it will not be a good image because there is not enough DOF. There is no absolute diffraction limit, perceived diffraction also depends on the final image size. Diffraction, because the blur convolution is the same for each pixel can be sucessfully reduced in postprocessing.

[@tim1398]

The Panasonic lens also supports procapture on the OM1 at 25fps, same as the Oly 100-400. I've found the results of the PL lens as good for AF and better for sharpness. There is also a small hack where you can fit the Oly TC on the PL lens.

[@TB-up4xi]

2:23 - Correct F/4 +1 Stop = F/5.6, +1/2 Stop = F/4.8 +2/3 Stop = F/5.07 , F5 is 0.658 of a stop difference to F/4

[@TITAOSTEIN]

Hey! Great to see you two together in this Review! Two fantastic lenses! I already have the Panasonic version, but if I were to buy my first super lens today, I would choose Olympus (despite the size)! This is because of the possibility of using TC and the possibility of using features like Focus stacking and PreCapture on Olympus cameras. Another very important aspect for Birding: sharpness !! In the first comparative images I saw on the web, Olympus has shown itself to be sharper! But, as mentioned earlier, I already own PanaLeica and I love its size and practicality. My next acquisition will be the Oly 300mm f4, due to the sharpness and speed.

[@GianlucaVignini]

Could you please address me to a test where the Olympus results sharper than the Pana-Leica 100-400? I'm looking for maximum sharpness from such a tele. Thanks!

[@garthalley]

On the one hand Leica - dual ibis on my g85 small size a bit brighter BUT no teleconverter that is way bigger than you laid out. Sooooo bummed now that there isn’t one for the Leica. (Are you listening Panasonic!) Thanks both for your reviews apart and together!

[@overnightdelivery]

I've had the Panasonic version. Great with the G9 for wildlife photos. Only thing I don't like about it is the stiff zoom ring. Ruins videos but taking photos is fine and it what I do 90% of the time anyway. Apparently it is better for other people.

[@kayeregattieri8286]

I had the Panasonic Leica 100-400mm and found it was great but not in low light. A couple of days ago I did the firmware update on this lens with my Olympus E-M1 Mk 2 and something went wrong and no camera recognises the lens now. Took to camera shop and Lumix camera said it came up with lens error. It has been sent away but i'm not holding much hope, I think I might have a go with the Olympus 100-400mm this time

[@errantarcher]

I've watched both of these videos... both valuable, fun and informative. In one, Peter suggested the lens IS was superior to the other settings when the lens was on the opposite brand of camera. I have the Panasonic 1-400 and an Olympus E-M1 ii. I have tested "no stabilization", "lens only stabilization", "body only stabilization" and "both stabilizations". With my combination, I find the "body only" stabilization to be clearly superior. "Both" and "Lens only" stabilizations give identical results. In fact with the "lens IS priority" set to "on" I feel both of these settings give me only lens stabilization. No stabilization is exactly that, and the results show this is consistent. This is to share my experience, and I will continue to use only IBIS with this lens for best performance. Thanks for the pair of videos. Very well done.

[@ForsgardPeter]

Thanks for the info.

[@MrHasherd]

Very interesting. I’m looking forward to the follow up video. Thanks Peter.

[@ForsgardPeter]

It is already online. Check it out from Matti´s channel: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oKnKk6yPocuAZ8k

[@MrHasherd]

@@ForsgardPeter Hi Peter, I watched and made the following comment " David Free 23 hours ago Thank you gentlemen, a very interesting video. I use the Panasonic lens on my E-M1 Mk2 for bird photos and I’m very happy with the results. Regarding pro-capture, strangely it works at high FPS sequential but not at low FPS sequential, which I prefer to use (less photos to browse at the end of the day). Any idea how to correct this? Best regards, David" Matti replied that ass he is a Panasonic man I should ask you. Do you know how I can use procapture on low FPS electronic shutter? Thanks and regards, David

[@philipcapon426]

My wife has been using the Panasonic 100-400 for a few years, originally on an Olympus OM10 and now OM5 mk3. When using Procaptur it will only recognise Procapture high. Low is not available. All works on her other Olympus lenses. Any ideas? All I can think is the continuous autofocus on the low setting. Phil

[@ForsgardPeter]

ProCapture Low works only with Olympus lenses.

[@philipcapon426]

@@ForsgardPeter Many thanks Peter, at first I thought there may be something in the menu holding it off. Much appreciated.

[@garybrown9719]

Great point If i could disable auto aperture on my panasonic lenses dreamer i love my new em1x But hate that the aputure doesn't work on my panasonic 12mm and 42.5mmi wish the A switch was a turn off auto aperture and have a manual aperture ring i don't need auto aperture never use it i shoot in M mode always old school

[@leonfourie5717]

Peter the olympus is longer than the panasonic to accomedate the "protution" of the 1.4 and 2.0 teleconveters

[@ForsgardPeter]

That is most likely the case. Thanks for bringing that up.

[@Dalboyne]

I really don't understand why the Olympus lens is bigger, heavier, slower and doesn't even offer full synchronised IS? Is it because they've "bought in" and rebranded a third-party lens (eg Sigma) that was originally designed for a different sensor/system? I bought the PanaLeica lens several years ago when there was no other choice, and would have swapped it for the Olympus, until I realised that (for me) there wasn't a compelling case to swap :(

[@agylub]

The most important comment was “ all modern lenses have fantastic quality “. Content of the image is the greatest variable

[@VictorGandia]

I am amazed on the difference in size and weight. Maybe it's because of the amount of metal and plastic which each lens has? Otherwise there makes no sense for me that a remarkable smaller lens is a little bit brighter. I think that makes the choice a little difficult.

[@tizio54]

Different optical design may be the answer. Shortening a telephoto lens involves some optical compromises (in theory a 400mm lens is physically about 400mm long (minus flange distance)), so maybe the Olympus lens design is less compromised?

[@michaelhawkins1173]

Struggling to make sense as to which is best, of two lovely lens could not have been done better. Thank you.

[@ForsgardPeter]

It is hard to make sense which is better. You have to weigh to things that we said and see what things matter to you the most.

[@marydoo7311]

Sharpness and focus speed are the most important factors for me.

[@erwinmayer5033]

Hi Peter and Matti, first of all, my compliments to this format of both of you making a video together; this is both informative and entertaining at the same time. I appreciate your approach to give a really fair and unbiased comparison of Olympus and Panasonic lenses, in the light of you originally siding with your corresponding brands.... Nevertheless the bottomline both of you offered in both videos to preferably combine lens and body of the same make, but if not available, other combinations work almost as good, is very reasonable and is also my opinion. I will put the same comment on Mattis video as well.

[@catrionathomson8981]

Interesting that you discuss the weight of the lenses without acknowledging that the Leica lens on the Panasonic G9 weighs roughly the same as the m.zuiko lens on the Olympus camera…

[@davidblack2632]

Good comparison video. I got the Olympus 100-400/5.0-6.3 on order.

[@ForsgardPeter]

Great to hear. Thanks.

[@euroclydon4800]

I was waiting for this fight!

[@ForsgardPeter]

I hope it fulfilled your expectations.

[@paulathomas4944]

What we really want to see is a comparison of how the two lenses perform with a teleconverter on. Oops silly me. I forgot that the Panny can't use a teleconverter ;) So Olympus wins that one :)

[@ForsgardPeter]

That could be a thing for some. I think it was a great thing that Olympus made this lens compatible with the MC-14 and MC-20.

[@Tirelirelou]

@@ForsgardPeter Would you seriously consider using a converter with these at the resulting aperture on a micro four third sensor?

[@CarolyneMacMillan]

@@Tirelirelou Robin Wong already has a video using the MC-20 here kzbin.info/www/bejne/l5OZaICCrd6Eqq8

[@MR-dh4sw]

Thanks for the video, I just picked up the Panasonic for $934 AUD, it was the last one on the shelf. A great buy considering the Olympus usually retails for at least twice that. Only disappointment is now finding out that I can't use a teleconverter with it .

[@ProbablyAnAmateur]

Panasonic has released the Mark 2 (I assume) of the lens that now can house a teleconverter. maybe you can trade the current one in?

[@shotsofredmist5212]

I have em5iii, would the Panasonic 100-400mm work well? Where i live they're almost same price

[@ForsgardPeter]

Yes it does.

[@hk-feet6278]

Will the Leica lens with an Olympus EM1 MkII camera, will the olympus and Leica stabaliser work together, or do you only use one or the other?

[@ForsgardPeter]

It is better to use either one. They do not work in sync.

[@metalmick99]

I'd like to see a comparison that included the compatibility of the two lenses when on a competitor's body. M43 is supposed to be high on compatibility, but I keep hearing reports that it isn't as good as it could be. Would love to see how the Leica lens goes on an OM-1 body.

[@ForsgardPeter]

We made a video with Matti were we tested the compitability with other brand camera. (kzbin.info/www/bejne/oKnKk6yPocuAZ8k). OM-1 was not launched yet when this video was made. Unfortunately I cannot get access to the Pana version of the lens.

[@metalmick99]

@@ForsgardPeter Thank you so much for replying, Peter. Greatly appreciated (especially since it was rather early in the day in Finland) and I'll look that video up.

[@69horatioh]

A new camera online😊 I love it❤️

[@Master-tu4kd]

Actually testing these in the review and showing the viewers the results would be more beneficial I think than just talking about them. Thanks nonetheless for the review.

[@whynotdecor7810]

You can use both extenders with the Olympus, but cannot used them with the Panasonic. That is the chief consideration.

[@glennobrien5039]

Hi, Nice to see you two together. Very interesting vlogs on both channels. One thing I try to do very often is take pictures of subjects at about a quarter of a mile away. I haven't really achieved sharp results with the Oly 75-300 Mk1, or the Oly 12-100 over that distance. I have the Oly 100-400 on order, so will be interested to see if it does that kind of shot any better. Did either of you try to get that sort of reach out of either of your lenses? What were the results?

[@ForsgardPeter]

Not really that long. Remember that if the subject is very far there will be "unsharpness" caused by the air.

[@paulhigginsphotography]

You guys are great together, you should do more! Great video!

[@ForsgardPeter]

Thank you! Will do!

[@igorivanov4421]

I am young amateur. Some time ago thought that dual stabilization works kinda like 6 + 3 = 9 stops. But turns out like it rather bottleneck: 6+3 = 3 stops...

[@AkaiMiso]

Nice collaboration! How does the Oly 100-400 compare with the Oly 40-150 pro with 1.4 and/or 2.0 TC @ 100-300? How does the Oly 100-400 compare with the 300 F4 @ 300?

[@ForsgardPeter]

I have not tested that yet. I hope I can get it later this year for testing again. There is only one lens so far here in Finland and it is very popular.

[@tizio54]

I wonder if it would be worthwhile to trade my Olympus 300mm F4 Pro for the Olympus 100-400mm lens, or worthwhile to have it in addition to the 300mm. The 300mm is certainly sharper, faster and has Sync-IS, but the fixed field of view can be quite restrictive. Any suggestions?

[@ForsgardPeter]

If you need the 300 f4 then keep it, but the 100-400mm is a nice addition for those moments when you need to zoom.

[@cfagil]

Interesting comparson. I think I will get a Panasonic 100-300mm II and pair it with my trusted Olympus EM5 III. My rationale is to find the smallest combo that can produce good enough result for birds-in-flight shots. The current Panasonic body is hopeless on the AF-C front with its contrast detection technology. That said, I have Leica CL and SL bodies which use Panasonic's AF technology but I only use them on subjects which/who travels not more han 4 mph (6.8 km/h). I go for the 100-300mm for its weight or lack of it. If I have to carry either the 100-400mm lens you mentioned here, I may just as well carry my Nikon D500/Nikon 200-500mm f5.6 combo (not really that much bigger or heavier).

[@JohnOpie]

I am one of the Olympus users that bought the PL 100-400 because it matched well with the 12-100 in covering focal lengths. I've been largely happy (it tends to hunt a bit in low light for focus, but that's at 400 hand-held), but if Olympus had brought out the lens earlier it would've been a contender. What I don't like is the lack of Dual IS, that makes the 12-100 such a great lens, and I'm not too clear as to why the Olympus lens is larger but with a smaller aperature...but having the choice is fabulous! :-)

[@AB-vb2mm]

John Opie There are rumours the Olympus lens is a sigma lens.

[@JohnOpie]

@@AB-vb2mm From what I've seen, that's not a bad thing, but from what I understand, there are significant differences that make it unlikely...

[@RogerAllisonJones]

I bought the Leica/Panasonic lens a couple of years ago and have been very disappointed with it. I use it on an OLY EM-1 Mk 3 and it just drives me crazy because the zoom ring works in the opposite rotation to ALL my other OLY lenses. If I'm trying to zoom into a moving car or aircraft, I always end up ZOOMING the wrong way and loosing the shot. Also the Panasonic build quality seems significantly inferior to that of Olympus. My Leica lens is stiff and "gritty" to zoom and doesn't seem to improve with age. All my Oly lenses (even the non Pro ones), are beautifully smooth. I recently did a test comparing the Oly 40-150 Pro (with 1.4 converter) to the Leica 100-400. When I cropped the Oly shot to give the same image size as the Leica, it was impossible to see any difference between them. I'm going to buy the Oly lens and try to sell my Leica lens.

[@hk-feet6278]

I prefer the Leica lens hood over the Olympus, because it has a fixed lens hood which slides away. The extra hood is only needed if you find the shorter hood to be too small for the shooting situation.. So with Leica Panasonic you have two choices. So much better that the Olympus. I am a OMD EM1 MkII photographer

[@MarcLa1010]

Thank you both. Interesting.

[@keithhider2170]

So, important factor for me is the ability to use Procapture mode - I believe this will only work with the Oly lens on an Oly body (and probably vice versa if Panasonic has an equivalent mode). Also interested to know if the new Oly lens supports focus bracketing and focus stacking with an E-M1 Mk ii body?

[@ForsgardPeter]

Yes, the special features in most cases works best with the same brand lens than the body is.

[@st5637]

I thought the Leica version lens were the pro level like Olympus Pro. This is not an Olympus Pro level but the lenses seem the same?

[@ForsgardPeter]

No it is not a Pro lens. It is in the M.Zuiko line-up.

[@carymiller7920]

M. Zuiko 100-400mm has the advantage of using a Tele-converter . TC-20 making it a 200-800mm lens

[@ForsgardPeter]

That is true.

[@JoeMaranophotography]

For me the choice comes down to Olympus on Olympus body and Panasonic on Panasonic body. Because these are M43 lenses and also quite slow at the long end you need the IBIS to be the best it can possibly be so you can use as low a shutter speed as possible to ensure the best ISO and image quality. 6.5 is a hell of a difference to 3 stops.

[@ForsgardPeter]

It is more than 3 stops when you have the IBIS on too. It is not a SyncIS, but it is more than 3.

[@JoeMaranophotography]

@@ForsgardPeter I mean if you use it on a Panasonic.

[@albe2002]

Beyond the image quality for me are essentials the light weight and the small dimension. Than Panasonic Leica 100-400!

[@garryneil753]

The Oly is $100 cheaper than the Pani in the US at B&H. I am waiting for the 150-400 Pro

[@anterix1999]

I would like a more detailed quality comparison of these lenses. You guys are too good to each other... But, for what I understood, having an Olympus body, the Olympus lens has some important advantages: stabilization and the ability to use the teleconverters. To me that could be important. You guys are great! Thank you!

[@ForsgardPeter]

Thanks.

[@jisjis87]

Why do these lenses take so long to be launched? I mean panasonic had that for four years and Olympus had no equivalent lens until now.

[@ForsgardPeter]

Yes, I know Olympus should have launched this lens years ago.

[@ThePleoni]

how would this perform for astro-photography? would love to see it with a star tracker to compensate for the slowness of the lens... as long as it can be sharp and has little coma, it might be really cool. Always held back on the panasonic for some of the issues it seems to have

[@ForsgardPeter]

I have not tested it so unfortunately I cannot say anything about that.

[@fleetingdays]

No sync is? We Love 💙💙our 300mm f4 Olympus pro!

[@arcadevampire]

Watched both your videos, great work guys. For 43,alwaysood to haveboth oly/panny perspective. I have olympus camera, for me 1st - if IQ&AF noticeably better - will choose that lens regardless of brand 2nd - if IQ&AF fairly equal - then if the oly lens functions better on oly - if yes choose oly lens -or vice versa 3rd - if IQ&AF and functions equally - I'll go panny, smaller. In market for one, waited a while for this to come out before deciding. tbh, the oly size is a huge huge (pardon the pun) dissappointment. It looks massive side-by-side, and fstop disadvantage. Also it looks like another run of the mill oly lens, whilst the panny lens looks more solid with clever bespoke features. Without checking for hands on myself yet, for an oly owner the mind says oly, the heart says panny.

[@ForsgardPeter]

Thank you.

[@bluesgarden1]

I used the Panasonic on my OM-D E-M1 and the AF is slower than the Olympus 300mm PRO or 40-150mm PRO. I don't buy the Olympus 100-400 mm coz the both Olympus PRO lenses are faster.

[@richardpriestley477]

Peter another great video; its a pity but I am not in the market place for this lens !

[@ForsgardPeter]

Thanks.

[@chrisking3849]

did not learn much here, AF very important to me, tried the Panasonic on my oly mark 111, disappointed send back, yet to try Oly.

[@RobertVE3VPL]

Did you have a chance to use EE-Dot at 400 end for birds in flight?

[@ForsgardPeter]

Not with this one, but I have one and it helps a lot.

[@53HB]

I use the PL 100-400 and can easily do b.i.f hand held just using the EVF ,I expect the Olympus to surpass this , even tracked owls in flight in the winter one handed while shading my eyes from the sun ,again I expect the Olympus to surpass that

[@53HB]

And btw I’m getting on for 75

[@53HB]

as a long term user/owner of the PL100-400 on both panasonic and olympus bodies ,I cant really understand why olympus has passed the new lens out for testing to non long lens users .. anyway I have been shall I shan't I with ordering the new one , the PL is a superb lens and is really sharp on birds in flight or static and for close ups of insects and butterflies . ...but using a olympus body a 1-mkii I feel/hope that the olympus lens will be a better match with it , so the PL is now up for sale and the olympus is pre-ordered . this is based on several reasons first the use of pro-cap low ,next the extra reach of the t.c's with it . with bird photography reach is everything ,but speed and usability also come into it . . time will tell if i'm correct but I have looked at enough reviews this week to make a judgement based on there results . I am also a firm believer in brand should go with brand . will update once purchased

[@TCizauskas]

Would an external scope help with bird photography?

[@ForsgardPeter]

Yes it would. Olympus has EE-1: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fojbiIx4hc6neLc

[@chrisearle5323]

Practice helps. After shooting with a PZ 100-400 for a while I find that I always aim accurately even at 400mm. Shooting birds, there's often no time to spare, your aim has to be accurate.

[@DanielShrider]

I have to admit, I do like the size of the Panasonic version. But I am sure they are both very nice.

[@johnnyc4717]

WOW. I was just comparing these two lenses in my head and opened KZbin to find a video...and boom. This was the first video on my feed. Maybe there is a God after all.

[@ForsgardPeter]

Awesome! Thank you!

[@dsdave07]

The Norse have several gods - Thor, Odin, Bernie . . . .

[@manfungyu934]

Pl 100-400mm cannot use proCap L😥

[@ForsgardPeter]

Unfortunately that is the case.

[@rhiwderinraytube]

Doesn’t matter which, they are both goood lenses. Cheape r than Canon or Nikon equivalents too.

[@ipsun1632]

Interesting topic

[@alpcns]

That was interesting to watch. What amazes me most is the fact that the Lumix lens is smaller whilst having a slightly faster aperture. Both are no doubt brilliant optical designs, and deliver image quality by the boatload. It was also nice to see two (intelligent) people talking normally instead of mumbling in a facemask.

[@ForsgardPeter]

Thank you.

[@ridealongwithrandy]

Great comparison guys! And Peter!, I am NOT supposed to get this lens, you are making it very hard on me :) Did you see the Polisi in the background seeing no masks and not 2m apart :D

[@ForsgardPeter]

Yes I saw it when I was editing this. :D

[@whynotdecor7810]

What no photos?

[@ForsgardPeter]

Not that many this time.

[@jeffdrew625]

My first observation is “OMG, the size!” of the new Zuiko 100~400mm! Huge! I tried the Pan-Leica version a while ago, and was quite happy. I’ll wait for more user data before getting excited. Thanks for a good clip! Tag2-cost: don’t forget to add Oly lenshood expense to the expected charge.

[@thewheelieguy]

Lens hood is included in the box on the Olympus

[@dominiclester3232]

You guys are hilarious! Funny enough to get the police to stop (see behind). They were probably going to question your social distancing? Keep up the good work! PS. I bought the pana lens for my M1 m3 because I had no choice 3 months ago. I shoot deer in low light so f4 has been very useful, along with the lens IS. No regrets.

[@ForsgardPeter]

Thanks.

[@DavidSmith-gj2dm]

Great video lads ! From what I’ve seen the Olympus clinches the deal at the far end of the zoom (sharper ) where the Panasonic is a bit soft . This is often a failing of many telezooms . I used to own a Nikon 70-300mm , at the far end it was that bad it was as if the autofocus wasn’t working !

[@photohounds]

Same FL, + smaller and faster? That almost always means a stop or more of vignetting. Correction you say? More correction = turn up the sensiticity at edges = more noise Physics If you want to use an extender, Zuiko. Price difference in Australia is quite a lot.

[@garybrown9719]

Olympus had sinc IS it would be the best camera I'm not going to carry a tripod Ill pass and keep my g9 100-400mm which has sinc IS

[@ForsgardPeter]

The combinations with IBIS and Lens IS is about three stops. That is quite good, but I know it is not something Olympus users are used to.

[@Ferroza-m8d]

Olympus is like building SUV, newer and bigger. Its against m43 purpose.

[@quickklik]

the Olympus 100-400mm should be classed as a pro lens

[@johnsoftly2832]

Anyone waiting for the Olympus 150 - 400 had better check that they can get a second mortgage. It ain’t going to be cheap!

[@itsmealex9290]

Thx for the comparison 👍 In my opinion there is no reason to buy the Olympus. The Panasonic is smaller, lighter and faster than the Olympus. The Olympus offers no Sync. IS so you have even on an Olympus body no advantage. Finally you can get the Panasonic easily used for a much lower price.

[@tizio54]

It might help to check out kzbin.info/www/bejne/aXWumpdnfrSdrJY before drawing your conclusion. Also the Olympus lens takes tele-converters, giving you much more telephoto bang for the buck. Saying that the Panasonic lens is faster is sort of a non-argument, as you'll probably be using this lens much more at the telephoto end (F6.3 on both lenses) than at the wide end. Both lenses probably have the same maximum aperture in the 150-400mm range. Furthermore, using Olympus body+lens combo provides phase detect AF, which provides better for focus tracking than Panasonic's contrast detect AF. Of course, if you have a Panasonic body, then the Panasonic 100-400mm might well be a better option.

[@bamsemh1]

I would choose olyjip, because I have olyjip house 😊 why mix, when you go for quality 😉

[@kornasteniker3939]

I hope I can meet you guys when I'm in Helsinki next year, provided the pandemic has cooled down a bit in a couple of months. you are such a great and funny team :D

[@ForsgardPeter]

Welcome. Hope you can make it. We would love to see you.

[@ferjwanderer]

Panasonic is sexier. Olympus has 2 teleconverters mc14 and mc20.

[@AnastasTarpanov]

You're always such funny guys. I think when you do this comparison Matti is always the losing side, but he is a very nice guy. I think the Olympus lens is noticeably sharper in this case and in general with Olympus lenses, but I should give it to Pana for 10-25 f/1.7 lens, there is no answer to this in any system!

[@juanjimenezortiz6328]

Lo siento, me diréis antiguo, pero yo soy español y no sé otro idioma. Imposible ver esto, reniego de estos mensajes