Omega Level Commander | Ivy, Gleeful Spellthief | Incredibly Powerful | Deck Tech | EDH | MTG

[@cozee4499]

Important note: If you copy Ivy, the copy doesn't keep the mutate count of the real Ivy. It gets relevant with cards like Auspicious Starrix that care about the number of times you mutated on a creature.

[@valek4201]

So it's just a copy with all the abilities from the mutate creatures?

[@cozee4499]

Exactly!🙂

[@jeezuhskriste5759]

@@valek4201 TL;DR: Mutate gets special treatment because the way it works is really weird, and the abilities are copied. Yes. Being mutated isn’t a copyable value. But unlike other effects that grant things to creatures, I’m pretty sure everything that isn’t the top card isn’t actually on the battlefield, or in any zone for that matter. To get around this, attributes gained through mutate are considered to be part of that creature, and not a part of the card that’s actually granting them, since that card doesn’t technically exist. So when the game goes to copy the rules text of the card, it does copy them.

[@InIt4DaMoney777]

Ivy enables super fresh and cool strategies, really excited to build this. Please do a breaking the bank for Ivy!

[@drewconic9209]

epic video! youre the reason i build budget. so thank you

[@nikola25spasic]

I have been playing Ivy since pre-release and the deck is absolutely OP. I have clone effects but did not know they clone the whole mutation pile as well as a single creature. One of the most important effects that I've learned is I've played Abduction on an opponents creature which I copied on Ivy. Well upon destruction, when she returned- all of her mutations returned as individual creatures. So basically after a boardwipe. I got fully reloaded wide.

[@f34rl355m4r1n3]

Copying mutate makes the copy a token, so if you mutate on another creature and copy the effect with ivy putting the mutate ontop of ivy the resulting creature is a token. When tokens enter the graveyard as a state based action they disappear so you can't bring them back, tbh I don't know if you get your commander back if its the original card underneath a token might have to double check that.

[@f34rl355m4r1n3]

Just checked and if you have any non-token cards in your mutate stack abduction should bring them back even if the topmost card is a token. 👍

[@samuelrobinson4638]

@@f34rl355m4r1n3 Man, cheers for going back and looking that up, AND then coming back to explain. Awesome The way I try to keep track of how mutate functions works sort of like this: - when the creatures are mutated and in play, they are functionally the same creature, and the mutate cards are just changing how that creature appears outwardly while gaining new abilities. - once they leave play, via dying or exiling or being bounced to hand etc, they split back into their original forms (as cards or tokens) but they still keep their shared abilities as that dying/ exiling/ bounce effect resolves. So things like undying, or the 'tuck into library' effects of gods, or other effects such as that still apply to everything in the pile. Once the death/ bounce/ exile effect finishes resolving, all tokens disappear (because they can't exist once they leave the battlefield), then the undying/ god triggers resolve and affect all cards in that pile. Mutate is a confusing mechanic, but it's so damn cool

[@f34rl355m4r1n3]

@@samuelrobinson4638 Thanks for the explanation man really appreciate it. I ended up with this understanding but had to piece together many different pieces of info to come to the conclusion. Your explanation was much clearer and easy to understand! 😊

[@andrew3404]

​@@f34rl355m4r1n3 wait, so to clarify, even the tokens that mutated come back?

[@WayfarersBauble]

2:24 First up, and it's becoming the usual again! Have a safe weekend, and if you haven't already, try using dry erase markers to draw your own tokens in a game. It's surprisingly fun.

[@BelongsintheTrash]

Definitely building this. Would love to see a break the bank version of it though.

[@itslexactually]

19:29 Shielding Plax can also turn off friendly targeting on an opponent’s creature, since you still own the Plax. All around cool card.

[@madmagemurdock349]

You really opened my eyes for Ivy. I didn't even consider mutate when I specd her out

[@origaminosferatu3357]

This is such a thorough tech, thanks Mitch. Generally I'd prioritise running Instants and Sorceries that make clones rather then clone creatures because they target on the stack rather than on etb, meaning you get even more spell copies with Ivy!!

[@cerebralisk]

The new Vesuvian Duplimancy works really well with Ivy by crucially making nonlegendary copies of her letting you produce geometric numbers of Ivies with Rancor and Phyrexian Altar.

[@DeisFortuna]

Since you never actually *cast* the copies, you'd need like, doubling season or something to start making more and more copies of Ivy.

[@cerebralisk]

@@DeisFortuna that's a good point actually

[@DeisFortuna]

@@cerebralisk Vesuvian Duplimancy is still ***INSANE*** with Ivy though, especially since it makes it so you don't need another creature to start comboing off with Ivy... And the copies are all going to start getting the stuff you play on the original and what I'm saying is that if you can give all of your Ivys haste, she turns into her own army.

[@cerebralisk]

@@DeisFortuna Yeah and you can still use orvar to generate a pretty substantial number of himself and then anything else afterwards, which can still give you plenty of devotion to blue (since token copies of a card with a mana cost still have it) to win with thoracle (especially if you copy Ivy then spread a cantrip onto a bunch of her to thin your deck out).

[@Javiolanti]

I just made this deck myself. Instead of the enchantments for ramp, I ran mana dorks that care about power. Then, they're both viable mutate targets, and also generate more mana due to having a higher base power like Marwyn, the Nurturer.

[@T_ODD]

I really like that idea. Got a list that you could share?

[@Javiolanti]

@@T_ODD Give me a couple of days and I'll post one. I ordered a little over 100 cards and now have to do weed out the extras. There's a lot of funny tricks that can be done with mutate.

[@SpiralPlaysGames]

@@Javiolanti would also love to see this!

[@MrShazaamable]

​@@Javiolantipostttt

[@lawfullyblind8403]

I freaked during spoiler season when i saw this

[@fdtori]

I wanted to build an Ivy deck, but get a feeling this deck is a challenge to play in paper mode... if you end up with multiple copies of Ivy's effect how do you track your multiple mutate tokens? you have to have a system? ... I guess you could proxy your mutate cards and use those as tokens? I bet you end up with an large ammount of manipulation of permanents and end up taking a lot of time and annoy the table? .... I may end up playing a non-mutated instant/sorcery cantrip style deck instead.

[@twizzla1139]

Just got my cards for her. I'm super stoked!

[@joshuakastner1485]

You have to cast the copies btw

[@daxmansfield5649]

I've been waiting for you to do think deck tech since you spoiled the card. I'd love to see a break the bank episode on this one.

[@MerolLord]

One of the things I like about this bould, is that you can play this with a group hug strategy, if you don't have other creatures tu enchant, just enchant someone else's creature and get the benefit too

[@davidiswhat]

Group hug is a neat idea that I didn't think about.

[@jonf2009]

Someone should mention to Mitch using bestow basically gives you a ton of enchantment creatures if someone wraths. You get the aura and it can later fall off to become a creature.

[@DeisFortuna]

Note to self: buy a full binder of my bestow creatures to use as post-wrath tokens.

[@rita2715]

A priceier pick I'd recommend is Spitting Image. It's a repeatable "copy all Ivys" spell. Paired with "Ivy is a mana dork" it easily pays its own mana cost, and the card draw easily pays for the land cost. The only thing missing is haste, which could be covered by lightning greaves.

[@rita2715]

Actually, just checked the price, and it's under a dollar. I thought for sure the only reason not to include it must be the budget, but I guess I was wrong.

[@satisfiedskullservant]

For under the cost of a precon this looks like a fantastic build. I'm definitely going to upgrade it with some better lands, ramp and swapping out a few creatures. But even so it's still ridiculously cheap compared to my other decks

[@bofdar]

Most creature based clones dot actually target, and those that do happen on etb not cast. This deck is still pretty crazy, but keep these restrictions in mind.

[@nefreetman]

I don't think he meant making copies of Clones, I think he meant Cloning a Mutated Ivy so you can have more creatures with her abilities.

[@Intangible360]

@@nefreetman Sure, but if you use a spell like Irenicus' Vile duplication or the like you get to copy the spell, which makes it seem superior.

[@avatar2xl]

Stuff like confound and misdirection seems fun in this deck

[@f34rl355m4r1n3]

Unfortunately Ivy triggers on cast of a spell that targets a creature, so those spells aren't themself targeting a creature on cast so it won't be copied by Ivy. I got excited when I read your message as I thought it would be so much value but realised it doesn't work the way I thought. 🥲

[@sikitraki1302]

Amazing new commander, we definitely need the break the bank for her!

[@DeisFortuna]

I haven't looked at the price on it yet, but Vesuvan Duplimancy lets you make a copy of Ivy every time you target her with a spell, so that + some token doublers + all your other copiers = gas. You will probably have to legend rule an Ivy token occasionally though.

[@sikitraki1302]

@@DeisFortuna damn thats tough hahaha There are a couple of cards that can deal with the legendary rule, thanks for the hack

[@DeisFortuna]

@@sikitraki1302 the legend ruling is for when you kick a rite of replication and proceed to make like, 20+ copies of Ivy. It's probably only worth it if you have some good ETB somewhere that having some copies of Ivy who *are* still legendary show up, but overall, the ability to photocopy more and more Ivy Tokens and run away with the game means you're gonna have to find some creative way to identify all those different Ivys.

[@jf5297]

Great synergy with the godzilla cards

[@bryantjenkins2127]

WillBreaker is a really great synergy card with her

[@seanwilde716]

Especially if you’re tapping x target creatures with mutate or doing other things.

[@darkxzero13]

Do auras count towards triggering Ivy, if the card doesn’t say “target” on it?

[@Stray7]

Yes, because Auras fold their targeting requirements into the subtype -- by definition, an Aura requires a target to cast and to resolve (comprehensive rule 303.4a)

[@jasonjustis3098]

For almost every instance of an aura entering the battlefield, it's because it was cast, and by the game rules, an aura must be cast with a legal target first to be put onto the stack. On those rare instances where an aura is merely put onto the battlefield without being cast, like with Replenish or through Sovereigns of Lost Alara, the auras are NOT targeting, and thus will not trigger Ivy.

[@darkxzero13]

@@Stray7 makes sense, also answers my question about hexproof vs auras. Thank you!

[@f34rl355m4r1n3]

Heads up this deck is not easy to run especially if you take it down the path of using mutate, auras, copying your creatures and instant/sorcery spells that provide creatures buffs for turn. I had to make a symbol system to represent which group of creatures have which buffs because it gets messy fast, that's not even including summoning sick, non-summoning sick, tapped and not tapped. I obviously enjoy self inflicted suffering as I have made a mutate deck before this so managed to understand the intricacies of copying the mutate spell with volo and twinning staff, if I hadn't the deck would of been too much for me to pilot. To the brave souls that try good luck, and expect to make alot of mistakes! 😂

[@BlueGriffin20]

Trying to add a couple bestow cards in mine since you get double value when the get removed, but have matched a few of your suggestions on what I’m building with her.

[@raballito92]

I tried Ivy as a commander last night and was quite fun! But I struggled to keep the tracks of which card was on top or on the bottom. Same with auras, how do you know which aura is attached to Ivy when you have soooo many copies of things on the board ? If someone has a system, i take it!

[@jeffsanders5444]

i half tap unders , along with any aura associated. not really a solution but it helps keep track even if only a little bit more. Personally when it gets 2 a point that i cant keep track the game is done XD

[@Space_warf]

i printed out proxy copies of all my auras and mutate creatures that i keep in different sleeves, and i have around 20 blank cards in sleeves that i can write on with dry-erase markers in case i don't have a proxy copy of something i duplicated!

[@Smilkma]

Crazy enough I took advantage of mutate changing the cards name when mutated over in my tatsunari deck

[@plasmakitten4261]

Just want to note that, since you already have a few wild growth effects in here, if you add an e-witness or an archeomancer effect and the card Snap, you actually have an infinite combo. Get 2 lands that can tap for 4+ in total, have ivy and ewit in play, snap them both back to your hand, tapping the 2 lands and untapping them in between copies of snap resolving to make 8 mana, cast ewit returning snap, ivy and snap again costing a total of 7 mana, you can do this infinitely making one extra mana every time.

[@JayemelMusicUniverse16]

It gets crazy if you can redirect your targets to mutate on would be insane!

[@NotARealDuck]

While this commander looks fun, it seems like an absolute nightmare to play in person.

[@jasonskyborn4312]

Ivy, Gleeful Judgecall

[@ShadowSkyze]

Made this on pre release and it’s fun, I do tend to forget other players target spells But spraying out auras for a creature to buff her also is fun double voltron hahaha Mirror box changed the game for me Only thing that suck is once they remove that other creature your buffing but I have some cards coming in for hexproof

[@atsu91]

Damn, this is a dirty deck and love it! I pulled her from a booster my brother's GF gave me for my birthday!!

[@Hugeelfboy]

So many upgrades to this as well

[@vivarc2]

Prime pull from the Budgician's Hat

[@ericjenkins1909]

Break the bank version??

[@deethirteen1972]

Never thought I’d build a deck with Mutate; until after watching this video.

[@db4756]

I know it defeats the budget part, but helm of the host is another good add.

[@karolstopinski8350]

Season of growth :) I need to build this. I and everyone at the table will probably regret playing it cause it`s a lot to handle but it`s kinda evil.

[@StacieBurleson]

defnitly for upgrade add orvar the all form and spark double

[@nefreetman]

Help me out w/ Volo, Guide to Monsters. You cast a creature using its mutate cost, but since you didn't pay that cost for Volo's copy, that copy instead just comes into play as a creature? Or is the copy itself a mutation that you can then copy again with Ivy?

[@only1sn1not1taken]

2 Headed giant. Ivy & Feather, seems pretty busted.

[@Nilmur2]

a card that i think is just as powerful as corrupted conscience is Echoing Courage, Target Creature and all other creatures with the same name get +2/+2 until end of turn, once you have multiple copys of ivy with a different name this card can turbo out. Also twinning stuff is still pretty low in price due to being printed in another commander deck, and would function really well in an Ivy deck.

[@elkor2792]

Great vid as usual! :)

[@seanwilde716]

Okay now this sounds like a rest cool deck to play

[@alaskanpanbean907alaskanbo5]

It roughly goes for $59.15 I believe I went to the link and optimized the deck which bought me down to $59.15 right now

[@collinbeal]

I appreciate the budget constraint and all, but you would have to be completely insane to not include Vesuvan Duplimancy in this deck. I spent the entire video waiting for it, and was really disappointed it was never mentioned.

[@silverkhaos4518]

It's a fantastic card and I think one of the goals of this deck is that all the are cards are under $1 at the time of making. Vesuvan Duplimancy is currently an $8 card but worth every penny.

[@parz_aval]

Why vesuvan duplimacy isn't in the deck ? It's super dope

[@jameshaga5400]

Since he usually goes for cheaper builds and that cards around $10 right now I think it’s out of his range

[@jameshaga5400]

Correction cause I hadn’t gotten far enough in the video: each card he chose is $1 or less

[@Stray7]

Price. Vesuvan Duplimancy is $8-$9 right now, and this channel primarily builds decks with cards that are $1 or less. There are PLENTY of upgrades you can make if your budget is higher, and Duplimancy is one of them.

[@yokaiwolfcreations3076]

i have a really big question here what modifacations should be made for when you play this deck on say MTG Arena? so far outta like idk 20 or so games ive yet to even come close to pulling off a win. Hatee to say it but it is a VERY slow deck with a bit much on high CMC cards

[@andrew3404]

Well this is kinda for commander. Idk if you did duel on arena, but thats kinda different

[@0Psithiros]

Does Cackling Counterpart create an infinite combo for infinite copies if there are 2 ivys in there???

[@TsukimiAsep]

A create token is considered "Create", not target as cast. So presumably, Ivy couldn't copy a spell with Create toket target creature. Cmiiw.

[@michaelgrove1015]

Big fan!!!

[@dokuritssu]

Ivy work with clones too? I mean if you clone other creature you can clone ivy too?

[@origaminosferatu3357]

If it's an instant/sorcery that makes a clone yes. If it's a creature, no because they don't technically "target" a creature.

[@dokuritssu]

@@origaminosferatu3357 Ok thanks.

[@JammyTheGoat347]

as a main uril, i just scoop before that commander is into play

[@danielmosmann8965]

if i get a copy of ivy, and mutate another creature again, dont i get 1 copy from the original ivy and one from the copy from the already copied version?

[@TsukimiAsep]

yes, it means 1 mutate card = 3 mutation.

[@Balooh]

Since you’ll be targeting creatures, Gargos would be insane in this deck. Kill something every time you cast a spell? Yes please. Another aura I had success with is Careful Cultivation. 3 mana to ramp 4 ahead with Ivy plus you can channel it if you need a creature

[@corvonerodellatempes]

Is it only me getting a 403 Forbidden error when clicking the decklist link?

[@BlueGriffin20]

Works for me, so it may have gotten fixed?

[@toms1782]

I've been wanting to build a mutate deck and this sounds like a fun way of doing it 😀 So is win condition creatures and/or vultron? Edit... I had this in moxfield as a mutate deck idea already, this just helped with ideas, lol, thank you!!!!

[@antareklause8779]

Anyone know why they make powerful commanders rare instead of mythic?

[@fasdaVT]

Wouldn't this also be really good for magecraft?

[@theaeskey2502]

Yo! Ivy mutate is AMAZING!

[@pixelBB397]

I kinda wanna build ivy watches this video. Iq not big enough for this commander. Back to Timmy SMASH decks

[@the_metamancer]

Does mutating Ivy negate her damage counting as commander damage?

[@crovax1375]

The commander is still the same object, so mutating the commander does not effect commander damage

[@aaronschlatter4917]

Can y’all do one of dihada

[@chaceduma]

Trying to wrap my head around how mutate works with Ivy, but I just can't! Can someone please break it down for me?

[@philwinters4527]

Pretend the mutate card is just an enchantment that can change ivy’s name, p/t & legendary status.

[@amodking]

Mutate is an effect you have an option of doing 1 of 2 things. So let’s say, you have a 1/1 elf that says tap for 1 green mana. And you’re going to use mutate on that elf that’s a 2/2 frog whenever this mutates draw a card. When you choose to do that action you can choose to keep it as a 1/1 elf tap for 1 green mana and just add the text draw a card whenever this mutates on it. Or you can have that elf become a 2/2 frog that has whenever this mutates draw a card with the added ability to tap for mana. So you can choose which creature you want the head of the stack to be and everything mutated onto it gains the abilities. Popular tactics is abusing cheap mutate on a 1/1 infect. So you hit early with the infect but later on you can mutate onto it to become a 9/9 keeping the infect text. ((I was killed this way lol)). With this commander it gets more confusing who would have guessed, you choose to mutate another creature and your commander also mutates as well. So I’m fact you’re doubling up mutate triggers on different targets. However mutate triggers that say whenever this mutates stays on that specific creature.

[@joshuakastner1485]

When you cast the mutate it’s targets you creature #1, then another gets copied and the copy targets ivy, you may then cast the mutate cost and cast that copy onto ivy mutating her separately from the first, your second mutate creature is a token

[@Stray7]

When targeting a creature other than Ivy, Mutate works much like any other aura -- you get a token copy of the mutate spell to place on Ivy. When you target Ivy herself with a mutate spell, you copy it. You can choose to make one of them the "top" card, changing the characteristics of Ivy's name, power/toughness, creature type, and legendary status. Any mutate copies you don't put on top just add their abilities to Ivy. Separate instances of a mutate ability trigger independently, so most of the "when this creature Mutates, [do X]" abilities will happen twice (once for the initial spell, and once for the copy). Ivy will mutate once for each instance of a mutate spell on her, so those abilities that count how often she's mutated will count each instance separately (because those check on resolution of the ability)

[@extremebroly4146]

@@joshuakastner1485 wait, u have to pay an additional mutate cost?

[@TheRealmDrifter]

Does this copy Aura enchantment cards played on other creatures?

[@rushclaw3706]

Yes it does if you cast say hydras growth targeting another creature you can copy it. You just get a token aura

[@joshuakastner1485]

If you pay to cast the copy yes that works you get a token of the copy

[@Stray7]

@@joshuakastner1485 You don't have to pay for the copy -- Ivy puts the copies directly on the stack, bypassing casting entirely, and she's copying spells that are already on the stack. You don't need to spend mana for the copies.

[@ShadowSkyze]

@@joshuakastner1485 yea what he said ^ It says on the card COPY , it’s not a cast…

[@zeropoint2594]

I thought that when you copy a creature it would be the creature as it is writen so if you copy Ivy after mutating it into another creature wouldn´t you just copy the creature on top and "loose" everything underneath for the copy ?

[@f34rl355m4r1n3]

Nope you get the whole stack!

[@Jasongy827]

She is so good

[@DevoidGoat]

Great thanks Now I wana build her 😒 #HereIGoSpendingAgain

[@Stray7]

I know the feeling.

[@manzonibob]

This strategy Works with Yarok too????

[@Stray7]

Not so much. Ivy is a Cast trigger, while Yarok is an ETB trigger. They are very different decks -- Yarok can't copy mutate abilities or auras, for instance, while Ivy can't duplicate ETB effects and won't work with effects that simply put stuff on to the battlefield without being cast.

[@unclepopeious6563]

Hypeee

[@thetaoofgaming7045]

*angry Feather noises*

[@matthewcox69]

I'm kinda bummed. This episode came out an hour ago and I wqas super excited to buy it, but with shipping costs the price is over $120 on TCG player

[@koolaiddude7685894]

Buy singles from local shops near ya if you can

[@akira-qr4qm]

@@koolaiddude7685894 they cost three times the price. Supporting your local game store isn't worth it if they're overpricing so fucking much

[@nightbane727]

just admit you made this as an anti feather deck its ok i play feather and catch so much flak for it in my play group lol

[@Alexander-mw1ek]

So, it’s Feather but in broken colors. Great card design WOTC, Oko, Uro, Ivy….

[@Alexander-mw1ek]

And cheaper!

[@guardianmouse_7751]

Hello. :)

[@Beanmachine91]

Cantrips and auras anyone?

[@goatduke8784]

I lost to this commander a large amount of times.

[@joshuakastner1485]

Did they pay for their copies? I’m not seeing mention of this anywhere but the copies are not cast and thus need to be paid for

[@oskarprimbs2713]

@@joshuakastner1485 thats not how copies work, and also how things not being cast work.

[@ShadowSkyze]

@@joshuakastner1485 you are copying a spell already paid and casted..so no need to pay.

[@brisingr4899]

You're going to small! Coping ivy only once? Try 4 copies with the commander!

[@sanga1380]

WHY WOULD YOU MAKE THIS, I have trouble not seeing Ivy everywhere already, we don’t need someone like you telling people cause the virus will spread. Lol all in all though, keep up the good work, I just hate Ivy lol.

[@oskarprimbs2713]

I feel like most players will disassemble any Ivy decks they build after a few games because of the rules headache. The hype will die down

[@joshuakastner1485]

Super important note that is not mentioned anywhere on any Ivy info on the internet----YOU HAVE TO CAST THE COPY WITH YOUR MANA IT IS BOT FREE

[@NotARealDuck]

You're incorrect. You're copying the spell on the stack, which is already cast. You do not need to spend mana to cast this copy.

[@magicmaster9957]

Important, if anyone removes anything with a single target spell, then ivy also gets targeted

[@Raccarot]

Her effect is a may, so usually if someone is doing spot removal, Ivy won't be effected

[@psykofanten]

It's a may ability, so you can just choose not to cast it.