Omega Red SUCKS! X-Men 4 by Jim Lee and John Byrne!

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[@barlotardy]

Damn, fellas....Insult my mother, but leave my boy Omega Red alone! How you gonna hate on a cold-war era Soviet super soldier?? But yeah, he did get that Nathan Jones push that went nowhere.

[@karlosn5579]

I can't say if Omega Red blows or not because anything by Jim Lee from this period overrides any critical faculties I have. I just instantly fanboy over his work. I was 13 when I saw him turn into Jim Fucking Lee thru his PWJ run. I still love it.

[@michaelshort4339]

I wonder what was in that off the record section!

[@cyric2010]

LOOOVED Omega Red in 'Marvel Super Heroes vs Street Fighter'. He was the most fun character in the game.

[@darrenyeats5571]

No basketball but in Uncanny X-Men 325 Joe Mad draws a baseball game involving the X-Men and Gen X

[@TEJUS_667]

These first few Jim Lee issues got the sales and attention, and are still remembered today. But I much prefer the art and storytelling for the Bishop’s Crossing storyline that was going on at the same time, in Uncanny X-Men.

[@JohnDCochise]

Claremont was checked out before X-Men 1 launched. The Xtinction Agenda is basically the last story he controls. After that, Jim Lee gets co-plot credits and pushes the direction it goes. The last Uncanny issues before the new title are credited to Fabian Niceiza and not Claremont at all, even though he had been building to a Shadow King story for more than a year. Re-reading the late 80s X-Men you can really see when the plots gets weaker and things feel rushed, as Claremont gets shoved aside.

[@scubanimals]

I got my mom to order me the Erik Larson Spider-Man t-shirt with the city photo background. She wouldn't let me get the Ghost Rider one. She said it was too gory.

[@jeanfcp]

Issue 6 of this run (same storyline) is the first american comic I ever read. I didn't understand a single thing about the plot (I assumed Wolverine was a robot) but the artwork looked incredibly exciting to 7 year old me. Especially when compared to the european comics I was used to at that time. It's not exactly a classic but I still have a fondness for it.

[@silverhair_bearded_fox]

Purchased ALL of my comics in the 80s from Westfield Comics.. Shirts, Posters, Akira on VHS.. Couldn't wait to see that UPS truck coming down the road as a kid... Those were the best days..

[@DoubleO7-11]

Jim Lee introduced X-Men for me (and for an entire generation)

[@SpiderS2099]

80-90s marvel t shirts are going for shockingly serious money on eBay, like from 100 to 3000 bucks per t shirt. I suppose they are considered to be cool vintage fashion items now.

[@Uploadingvirus]

I've seen a few streetwear companies selling recreations of 90s shirts that I don't think are licensed, too. the demand is definitely there.

[@Belowone]

Youre better off just printing your own shirt with the same design for less .

[@aizza123]

OMG Ed!! When you were talking about referencing the interior of Charles Xavier's mansion, I instantly thought I would screen grab some "Dark Shadows". So when you echoed my thought almost immediately, that got me wondering, in the same way that Maddie Pryor and parts of the hellfire club were inspired by the band - Steeleye Span, did Dark Shadows influence both the art direction of the Mansion and even some of the gothic soap style of what Chris Clermont was writing? As a creator I find that fascinating! I love, love, love your channel thank you both for everything you do! I have ADHD and I listen to this while I draw, which helps me focus, so thank you

[@kevharper7070]

The Hellfire Club was influenced by an episode of the 1960s British TV show the Avengers

[@thomasschmidt7649]

I was under Jim Lee's spell during this time. I thought Omega Red was awesome at the time.

[@davidvega8131]

The X-men have never been the same without Claremont.

[@chrischreative2245]

Facts

[@JohnDCochise]

It's interesting to examine Gambit in the 90s. After Claremont was forced out, Gambit turned into a sleazy Pepe Le Pew knockoff, but he was much cooler under Claremont. I would love to know what his plans for the character were.

[@basscot17]

Gambit was supposed to be the manifestation of a hero imagined by a kid, who never grew up. Mr Sinister in return was supposed to be the manifestation of evil imagined by the same kid. The kid was Nathan, the boy who bullied Cyclops in the orphanage. None of this ever went anywhere, after Claremont left

[@JohnDCochise]

For real? That is crazy stuff.@@basscot17

[@WestCoastDAVEngers]

I wonder if this comic is how Jim Lee ended up doing the 1992 Upper Deck Fanimation basketball cards or if he got that job and decided to put basketball in this book. 🤔

[@carminedawg9506]

I was a teen when this stuff was at peak popularity and I have never seen anyone in those “classic marvel tees” not even at comic conventions

[@magusreaver]

I had a buddy in high school that pretty much wore them everyday.

[@reh45150]

Have you guys reached out to Jim Lee for a "shoot interview?"

[@CartoonistKayfabe]

Not really interested. He's never given a candid interview.

[@reh45150]

@@CartoonistKayfabe i totally get it! Thanks!

[@danielbedrosian8869]

I remember young me loved this issue so much

[@mariop8852]

If you're a Wolverine fan then the Matsuo arc pays off. One of his best character defining villains for him imo.

[@fireboy312002]

I got the Wolverine Omnibus 3 since the art looked good and the price was right. It's interesting how much better the layout is. The Dream part of this issue is a double-page spread that reads so much better. Especially with that "No!" at the end before the page turn. I love the basketball since it felt like storytelling. I say that since in Hush it felt like the motions. There is no playing with panels or pacing. It's by the numbers. Really love this part.

[@bracketbasher]

9 seconds in and ED drops the funniest diss. Pudsmack!

[@oliverosuna7493]

Never in my youth did I see anyone wearing one of those classic marvel t’s.

[@jareddriskill]

I did not have the classic t’s, but I did have some Rob Liefeld X force pillow covers in the early 90’s.

[@Telorchid]

I'm sure this has been noted but regarding the wire and Rogue, she has 'permanently absorbed' Carol Danvers/Ms. Marvel powers at this time, including superhuman durability & strength, and flight.

[@billmcgovern888]

Never understood people paying 20-30 bucks for this book lol - dollar bin all the way. Glad the experts agree!

[@ultramagneticlion2147]

Other than the X-Men Classics at the newstands and their appearance un Spiderman & his Amazing friends, this was the comic that introduced me to the modern X-Men and I understood exactly what they were about in their superhero identity and in their everyday lives. I hung around until Zero Tolerance on the strength of this first impression.

[@KC-fi6rk]

Jim lee did some basketball cards for upper deck. I know at one point I had a Larry Bird (Birdman) & Michael Jordan (Agent 23) card in generic costumes. Not sure if he did more than that though.

[@lverdugo1791]

I was introduced to Omega red through the capcom fighting games. Thought he was dope so when i got around to these issues ny only response was " THATS IT?"

[@idrawlocalmoms]

This is chilling on my desk rn.

[@bests88]

Can’t get enough of you guys talking about Jim Lee’s work, you should definitely do more videos like this. 🍻

[@cyberpunkholiday]

In another universe Claremont continued writing X-men and we got so many more amazing stories.

[@cronmaker2]

OR always felt lame and uninspired and writers didn't know what to do with him. He finally got a bit of focus and characterization in the current krakoa-era xforce run. Same thing with Exodus, Gillen's Immortal xmen finally made him interesting after 30 years.

[@doomedhuh]

When X-Men #1 started Jim Lee was saying in interviews he was gonna do like 50 or 100 issues then less than a year he's off! but yeah, omega red was never that cool.

[@magnusart1413]

Not sure if anyone has already commented on this but the panel of cyclops opening the door that you two mention being as being iconic is from giant sized xmen 1.

[@doommega]

I Love your Historically observation and the detailed work

[@lambtoon]

All those shirts sell for $300 to $1000 on eBay now!

[@magusreaver]

I had that X-Men issue 5 t-shirt and it went missing around 2000.. I still miss it. lol

[@jaredcatherine2032]

Now I need to crack open X-Men Grand Design and try and spot the Collinwood samples

[@TheMicker]

Cool look, but where's it going? Kinda liked the way the cartoon booked beef between Omega Red and Colossus. Shoulda been a bigger deal.

[@driver8sk]

IMO there's just no flow between panels. Jim threw the kitchen sink at it, but in a bad way.

[@marcakins3373]

Jim Lee is the man, I was shocked when Jim Lee back in the day…but I understand now…Marvel was cheap when it came to its artists …

[@cheesefox]

Gambit saying "Sapriste" Hahahaha ! It's "Sapristi"

[@Philbrick83]

Just wanted to add in on those Ghost Rider shirts. I very recently owned and sold both of those. First off, the maxi print was one of the ugliest shirts I've ever owned. Was happy to sell it for $1600. Second is the other image was a Ron Wagner and it was on a sweatshirt. Those shirts were the jam in the 90's though.

[@goatass71]

"You could drive a truck through this cross-hatch." Hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!

[@LennyWu]

Till this day, I still never understood what powers Omega Red had. 😅

[@chriscueva1866]

Isn’t he a vampire but not really?

[@user-dk3up2nl1m]

Omega Red....he was hyped up when i was a kid...all for nothing. I have Never even seen him in modern day comics

[@pjbrown4736]

He was a current X-Force member in the Krakoan era.

[@shefferz1]

He was actually in the current run of wolverine I think it was the full first arc so around 2019/2020 just after HoX/PoX. But he was in it for a while.

[@SIXminWHISTLE]

He's also going to be in the upcoming Wolverine game, he was in the leaks.

[@Uploadingvirus]

Instead of being an X-Man Gambit should've been hoopin'

[@snarferyasmr3739]

Lol what was off the record?

[@strikercj8425]

Omega res has a cool design but zero charisma as villain.

[@DrawingTall]

Visually cool looking villain, but nothing really standout added to his history going forward. Just felt like a house with a fancy exterior and the inside is full of whack blank walls.

[@dimmufrost666]

I totally forgot about Omega Red until you brought him up

[@MetalBrent124]

I remember this comic spiking off a bullshit speculation that Omega Red would appear in The Falcon and The Winter Soldier. No clue why it is still selling for more than $4.

[@ErickIsaac-qo6ym]

Omega Red looks cool, but is a generic character.

[@Randomcomicsfrommyspinne-xt5kq]

Omega Red seemed to be a better design than an actual character. The cover is pretty bad, just way too noisy that makes it hard for the casual viewer's eye to catch.

[@rbiznezz2]

Empty character. I hate empty characters.

[@michaelconnor1542]

Jim Lee ruined X-Men for me.

[@lisaroberts8556]

🤔 You want to get an Omega Red tentacle ⚡️🐙 ⚡️wrapped around your neck?

[@davidvega8131]

Incredible artist but I feel that the editor Bob Harris sided more with the artist. I understand that comics are visual medium however to lose Claremont like that was inexcusable. The X-men have never been the same since

[@danghile6136]

@@davidvega8131 crazy what a short sighted move that was on Marvel's part, and X-Men has never really truly recovered from that loss. I truly believe Claremont would still be writing that book today if he'd been left on it.

[@cdubbart]

Guess it depends on when you got into comics. Jim Lee MADE the X-men for me, and inspired me to go back & checkout other older runs.

[@spiderphil]

🔥🔥🔥

[@seedhillbruisermusic7939]

I'd given up Xmen by this time. I was 16, I'd found the nearest comic store in the nearest city and I'd found cerebus the aardvark and love and rockets. suddenly superheroes were pointless. I never went back to superheroes, but I found more non-superhero comix like Hate andMilk and cheese. If you don;t give up superheroes by the time you're 18 then frankly I think you're a bit pathetic.

[@Jack-ud2ym]

congrats