Omega Seamaster HEV and other silly things youtubers say

[@steveshap1]

Great content. However, as to easy adjust bracelets on certain watches like integrated bracelets that prioritize seamless connections, they are available on some offerings on the high end, including the VC overseas, ALS Odysseus, Czapek Antartique, and even the new Patek Nautilus (which still surprisingly still has pins on the bracelets). I think we'll be seeing more over time.

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

Fair enough. I was a bit imprecise in the video. Seamless connections ie butterfly clasps generally don’t have microadjust in the way that a Tudor t-fit or rolex oyster does. On the 5811 and VC it’s a teeny latitude you have to play with and IMO is barely useful. (At least I don’t think so). The ALS specifically is not seamless - it’s a fold over clasp like the one you have on the IWC pilot Mk xx. It’s actually the exact same clasp from the exact same manufacturer (ALS and IWC both source the tech from a clasp manufacturer called brogioli. But yes. I grant you - in the high end, this kind of “micro” micro adjust does exist for buttefly clasps. Thanks for contributing and cheers 😀 Ps. The irony of making a video about silly things youtubers say is not lost on me 😂

[@kojiattwood]

I know you're a relatively new KZbinr in the watch realm, but I honestly feel you're already one of the best, have really been enjoying your insights and reviews.

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

Wow, thank you! ❤️❤️

[@michaelwalters2390]

Excellent as always… your fresh perspectives and interesting analysis are really elevating you above other channels. Keep the variety coming 👍

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

Cheers and thanks for sticking around 😃😃

[@malikknows3510]

Excellent, perceptive insights as usual. Agree 100% on the need to state the value for money proposition. I like many watches, but unless I see value for money, I won’t buy.

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

That's the right place to be - unless you're John Mayer. Then just buy away 😃😃😃

[@daniell2217]

I feel the same way about the HEV as I do about the Panerai crown guard/lock. It’s ugly; I hate it; it’s the reason I’d never buy one; and I hope they never change it. Because it’s iconic, some love it, and everything doesn’t have to be calibrated to suit my individual tastes.

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

Luminor without a crown guard is not a luminor. Totally agree 😀😀

[@KC-bv9kf]

Good show as always. I follow a lot of watch channels, but you are definitely one of the three I would take watch shopping with my money.

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

That's high praise! Thank you 😃😃

[@soundssimple1]

Remove the helium escape valve and replace it with a laser beam. Now that would get some use !

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

Count me in 😂😂

[@sinesaii]

You know we could then put them on sharks…

[@watcheswithabdullah]

This video is just an example of why I love this channel so much! I'll make sure to keep these points in mind when shooting future videos 😆

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

Thanks. Glad you find it worth your time. Ps. I do make my way past your channel as well from time to time. I’m always entertained. Cheers 😀😀😀

[@shaheenevans]

One of the best analysis you’ve done - love the thought that goes into these

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

Thank you!! 😀😀😀

[@dannysimenauer5745]

Love your unique style and uncommon sense on evaluating the watch market. You said it best that the most in demand specs for watch sizing are 37-40MM, 47MM lug-to-lug, lug width 20 or 22MM, and a height of under 13.5MM!

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

Thanks 😀

[@24934637]

Interesting what you are saying about watch sizing. For MANY years I didn't wear a watch, I was working as a rock climbing instructor, and a watch would have got destroyed in no time. I recently started wearing again.....Doxa Sub 300T, I found in my current job as a supermarket shelf stacker, that I was constantly catching the Doxa, bashing it against things......Switched to a Rolex Sub.....Hardly ever banged it on anything, now I'm mainly wearing a Seagull 1963 Chrono, most days at work, it's so much slimmer than either that it never gets cracked against a fridge shelf, same with my Vostock Amphibias! A small size difference makes a HUGE difference to the wear experience!

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

This is true . Thanks for contributing 😃😃😃

[@johnallen8146]

Couldn't agree more on the needless comments about lug width particularly. My Grand Seiko's 19mm lug width 'concerned' most reviewers, though it does not negatively impact the wearing experience at all. Would love more videos on this topic. John Allen 😊

[@WestCoastAce27]

Those people a) have a lot of 20mm straps and don’t want to buy more; b) lose interest in watches and want to flip them and know off-size lugs will make it harder to retain value.

[@ssdc2]

If anything it improves teh look and wearing experience. Every mm counts.

[@eyeheartsushi2212]

@@WestCoastAce27True. I stopped buying additional straps early on my watch collecting journey because I saw how that could turn into a problem.

[@TapasChakrabarty-j7r]

So much common sense in the midst of cacophony of noise.I love my seamaster because it stands out in the crowd of other dive watches because of the unique identity conferred by the helium escape valve.I would never nedd to use it but without that unique thing i would have never bought my seamaster, same goes for the aluminum bezel of my speed master, its classic understated dial ,Omega knows it better than the youtubers who pass silly aesthetic judgements. These judgements if implemented will kill the identity of Omega. Just as the reverso can never change its design and survive in the market or cartier tank.Classics are never to be tinkered with.Its like changing the last act of shakespeares King Lear which Dr. Johnson tried but never suceeded.Love from India

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

Cheers and thanks aplenty 😃😃

[@eyeheartsushi2212]

Agree with you about the SMP Diver: the escape valve HAS to stay but it’s time to overhaul the bracelet.

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

Spot on! Thanks for contributing 😃😃

[@meinhair]

Another point with thickness, which I agree can make or break a watch: a lot watches have domed crystals and sloped bezels which can add a lot of girth, but this will impact wearability less than a watch with thick sides. Especially with slab sides. This is why Tudors can sometimes wear thicker than an Omega even when the numbers would suggest otherwise.

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

So very true - And the slope of a bezel and the glass will also make a huge difference. Add to that - some watches are thick and slab sided where others have the same thickness but the case is chamfered top and bottom giving it a much sleeker look. All that is not captured in the measurements 😀

[@johanvandersandt8904]

Absolutely agree with you on the Omega. Replace the bracelet but keep the valve. You make a fair point about the pricing that Adrian brought up too. Seems the man has let the industry get to him a bit and he has no empathy for the average guy. Some G-shocks and other ranges are hand assembled by very skilled technicians. I watched a video about it the other day where they spoke to some guy who works with these MR-G and Oceanus models and he had to have worked at Casio as a master watchmaker for over ten years before they let him touch those. Its crazy to thinks there are extremely well finished and specialty assembled/manufactured Casio's that are done by hand in Japan. Size is highly subjective... What works for one doesn't necessarily work for another.

[@eyeheartsushi2212]

Adrian has been on the industry’s side since Day 1. I remember when he suggested potential Rolex buyers to buy coffee for the AD SA 😂😂😂

[@johanvandersandt8904]

@@eyeheartsushi2212 😨😨😨

[@theadventuresofwolf5.77]

I changed the bracelet to a forstner bullet bracelet on my omega . The taper is perfect and the watch looks beautiful. The original bracelet is outdated but has its charm. The omega is a beautiful watch.

[@eyeheartsushi2212]

I keep reading about that Forstner bracelet. Would try one for my SMP but the thing is the original bracelet, although dated, doesn’t bother me nor it’s uncomfortable.

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

It very much is a beautiful watch 😃

[@pavelnikolaev2660]

Absolutely agree with all your comments!

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

Thank you 😃😃

[@Anonymouslyme1]

‘The Tudor Black Bay Pro is too thick’. Turns out it isn’t, for me. Great watch, wears really well.

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

It fit great on me as well 😀

[@TheWajmaj]

I'm new to the hobby, so it's interesting to hear people opinions about watches, especially when I can't articulate my feelings about a certain type or design. Btw, I like these kinds of videos, it's light, fun, and not too serious. It feels like spur of the moment for you ... wait....ARE YOU ON VACATION? 👺

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

LOL 😂 Welcome aboard! 😀😀

[@robertrocha597]

Bravo!! Finally discussed that value for money is not just about price. Some mircobrands are offering more value for money (Christopher Ward, Lorier, Raven) over established brands. That is the problem that people are buying some watches for the name not the value. Just like the saying goes, "A great brand is better than a bag of riches." Rolex understands this and saw that raising prices were hurting the brand and decided to get in front of it by controlling the secondary market. Great video.

[@WestCoastAce27]

You were doing great until the end; Rolex is making some changes but are miles away from putting any dent in the grey market. Prices are only coming down due to macroeconomic realities.

[@robertrocha597]

@@WestCoastAce27 that was from my understanding that was the reason they were buying the stores and the offering the certified program. Please share your point of view.

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

Thank you kindly 😃😃

[@salty_ads]

Great to see a fellow saffa pumping out great and thoughtful content. Well done sir thoroughly enjoy your channel.

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

Welcome aboard and thanks 😃😃

[@chicagotypewriter2094]

I THOUGHT IT WAS A SOUTH AFRICAN ACCENT (but the channel is located in Denmark)

[@darkeye77]

Love the HEV point. Though I want the 90's ass bracelet too.

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

lol. Ready to kitesurf down a tsunami wave off the coast of iceland? 😂

[@darkeye77]

Only always!@@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch

[@miabeatz80]

No gimmicks. Just honest unbiased perspective. Thoughtfully curated. Keep up the great work 🍻

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

Thanks, will try my best 😃

[@HydrogenAlpha]

Another fab video, and a really great idea to "debunk" some of the BS that watch KZbinrs say. You could possibly devote an episode of this to the views of a certain loudmouthed Irish-Dutch chap.

[@ssdc2]

Probably not worth effort

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

Thanks a lot. Appreciated.😀😀😀 I’m not going to go out and disrespect the other youtubers. I watch a lot of them and like many of them for the niche that they serve. Even Nico I quite enjoy for that specific style of content. I may take some of the things they say (which I also say and give my take) but I’m going to stay away from laying into one persons opinions in particular as it will risk becoming personal and that’s just not me. I’m trying to stick to the substantive parts of the conversations. Cheers 😀😀

[@WestCoastAce27]

Great viewpoints and agree. The measurements complaints, esp thickness, are ridiculous. I call these people ‘specs snobs’ - they are just sheep agreeing w influencers. I guarantee most have never tried on a > 15mm thick watch. I’m avg sized, own 2 - BB Pro and Helm Komodo. PS - stop watching those 2 🤡 Theo and Harris.

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

Never! I actually enjoy Theo and Harris a lot. Especially Michael, he has a great sense of humour 😂😂

[@eyeheartsushi2212]

It’s hilarious to read watch enthusiasts stating: “No on-the-fly adjustment? Pass!” as if they routinely turn into The Incredible Hulk during the day. I just micro-adjusted my Tudor Black Bay Heritage’s bracelet but that’s only because my wrist size shrunk after losing weight (which took *months* to do, btw).

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

My point exactly 😃😃

[@HYPERPANTHER]

For me, easy-adjust bracelets are key. Where I live in the Bay Area has tons of microclimates that in 1 day I go from hot to cold and foggy in an hour. I avoid integrated bracelet watches for this reason and prefer straps, which I can and do adjust through the day.

[@stuartbrand5617]

At least in die another day the watch detonator was the helium valve. That i can use. Would get arrested but fun feature.

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

That's a watch I would buy 😂😂

[@dannysimenauer5745]

At 4:35 Mike says it is perfectly reasonable to express your voice that Swiss watch prices have been raised too high too quickly. I would go one step further: it is perfectly fine to not buy the brand at retail until the prices fall to a more reasonable level! Many Swiss brands are raising retail pricing thinking that the grey market prices will increase. Newsflash: the brand should be more concerned in increasing its market share, not the watches price on the grey market! This may work in the short run when demand is high, but the only way for consumer's to voice their opinion is with our wallets by NOT BUYING the brand. Then supply increases at the retail level where the brand has only 2 choices: build fewer units, or lower prices/have flash discount sales to bring consumers back to the brand.

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

Great thoughts. Thanks for sharing 😀

[@erikknudsen2971]

Other great brands near, or in the price ranges mentioned: Monta, Dufrane, Dryden, Haim, Helm, Raven, Axios, Atlantic, Tsao, Hemel

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

Monta for the win.... And bonus points for naming a couple I didn't know. Cheers 😃😃

[@billnichols4821]

Usually well considered statements, but quick adjust already exists in integrated bracelets.

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

True to a point. You hardly ever find them in butterfly clasp mechanisms - cartier santos, tissot prx, cw 12, iwc ingenieur etc. None of them have it. Seamless connections just make it more or less impossible. Especially if you want it completely seamless (like the cw12). The few that do - 5811, overseas are super expensive and have a tiny latitude that doesn’t really help all that much and in some cases is a little finicky and unstable (like the overseas) True easy adjust is pretty much only available on fold over clasps like the ALS odysseus, rolex oyster. Cheers 😀

[@vmarsch]

Speaking of over-emphasis on objective measurables, the focus on power reserve doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I have a couple of watches with 70-hour reserves, and while it's kinda nice that when I switch back to those watches it's more likely they'll be running, it's not enough to make it a selling point -- to me, at least.

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

I need 240 hours or I don't leave the house 😃😃

[@vmarsch]

@@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch LOL

[@eyeheartsushi2212]

Great point. Long power reserve kind of makes sense on watches with date complications but in general is not a big deal.

[@miabeatz80]

I think it's pretty foolish to count out a well designed watch due to shorter power reserve. Most people don't wear a watch for a whole weekend anyway. If it's that serious just put it on a winder. It's not that difficult to give the watch a few winds in the morning. Problem solved 😅

[@RabbitWatchShop]

I never understood people’s gripe with the HEV. Doesn’t bother me in the slightest. Actually, I like it. It plays into the childhood fantasy of having a real dive watch capable of going to dangerous depths. I like the 90s bracelet, too - perhaps because I’m a 90s child. I had the pleasure of recently handling both the SMP 300 and Heritage 300 in periwinkle blue. And while I thought they were both beautiful, and I considered purchasing them, I opted for the Pelagos 39 instead. They’re both too large for me. Hence my wish is for a 38mm to 40mm Omega SMP 300. If they’d release one, I’d buy immediately. Several KZbinrs have asked omega for the same thing.

[@eyeheartsushi2212]

Since I already own a black dial SMP 300, I’m hoping for a blue Pelagos 39 😉

[@RabbitWatchShop]

Same. I'd be tempted to trade my black one in. @@eyeheartsushi2212

[@albundy3929]

I understand the gripe. It’s fugly. It’s a luxury watch but the hev makes it look like a kids toy. Even the ploprof didn’t have an hev until iso made omega add it to get certified.

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

The HEV to me is like the Rolls Royce - spirit of ecstacy. It's part and parcel of the product. Can't have on without the other. As for sizing, I'm also totally with you there 😊

[@albundy3929]

At this point Omega can’t fix the seamaster 300m without cratering the pre owned values causing bad mojo with current owners. They probably need to keep the watch as is and add a skin diver with more desirable dimensions to the lineup. I’ll be the first in line to buy an omega skin diver based on the vintage model (see Dan Henry who offers a homage.)

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

You mean like the seamaster 300 or 300 tribute? Would be interesting... 😀😀

[@albundy3929]

I'm thinking more like the Omega Geneve Admiralty. @@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch

[@eyeheartsushi2212]

But if they offer a skin diver they will crater new 300m sales. Catch 22.

[@albundy3929]

@@eyeheartsushi2212 maybe, maybe not. I doubt it. Works for Rolex. Not so much for Tudor. For omega it’ll not be a thinner 300m. It’ll be a completely different watch so I think it wouldn’t cannibalize 300m sales. Remember that the general public thinks they get more for their money with a larger watch. This doesn’t work for Tudor because it’s a watch geek brand. Omega is mainstream like Rolex.

[@eyeheartsushi2212]

@@albundy3929 That’s a pretty broad statement that the public thinks they’ll get more for their money with a larger watch. Getting back to the skin diver topic, Omega would need to make a clear distinction as to why choose the 300m over the skin diver. Sounds like more trouble than it is worth for Omega.

[@MattDapson]

Enjoyed your answers.

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

Yay, thank you! 😃

[@waterfordrs22]

Fit is subjective, however if the trend towards more moderately sized watches sticks around, which seems quite likely, the twenty or so years where the fashion was for very large watches comes off as an outlier. Also, in the last teeny years, the demand for mechanical watches have grown and the general public, arguably is better educated today. Their tastes are more nuanced and there’s a greater appreciation for the horology and work that goes into a fine watch. What started off the boom for big watches? Arguably, it had less to do with watches and more to do with a need to flex. Arnold and Sylvester wore them in a few movies, got the ball rolling. Product placement became understood as a great motivator. Perhaps that’s grown a bit old. I would argue that watch, lug to lug aside from about 38-40mm is already a large watch. Maybe 38-41.5, while anything about an XL. That might leave a 34-37.5 decidedly medium. XL’s will still be around, but the understanding and needs of today’s watch buyers are more nuanced and there’s less need for a watch to be the center of attention to be of interest. Regards.

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

Very good thoughts - Thanks for contributing 😀

[@waterfordrs22]

@@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch I edited that by changing objective to subjective.

[@mybrainlikesthings]

Stick indices are superior to all other indices. Similarly, stick-like hands are superior to Rolex' "Mercedes" hands and Tudor's "Snowflake" hands. And the reason for both statements is that the former (stick, straight) features make reading the time accurate and instant, whereas the latter are playing games to see how much they can obfuscate the dial. When you put circles, squares, numerals, and other "blobby" objects, the 30 degree points on the dial are no longer absolutely clear.

[@eyeheartsushi2212]

Probably why the DateJust and OP look so clean and elegant (some call it “boring”).

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

You have a point especially from a pure legibility perspective. Personally though - Cathedral hands have a certain something aesthetically... (for met at least) 😊😊

[@kleitosaliagas5668]

C'mon... Does a snowflake or Mercedes hour hand really make reading thr time difficult for you? This is reaching. I understand if you don't like the aesthetics, bit it's tough to argue that this makes reading the time difficult.

[@MrSaadmubarak]

Just recently discovered your channel and subscribed, great content. Between you, Britt Pearce, and Teddy Baldasarre, the best watch content IMO. As far as the Seamaster, i agree on keeping the HEV but changing the bracelet. I would just add that the bezel needs to also be improved to have better grip. Thank you.

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

Awesome, thank you! 😊😊😊

[@patrickjean-philippe7679]

I fully agree with regards to the Seamaster helium escape valve. Although many KZbinrs criticise it to no end, it does not bother me a bit and in fact I like this second crown as it’s part of the Seamaster’s DNA. At times, people are excessively pedestrian and boring in that sense.

[@Leftystrat]

The older models around 2008 got it right, aluminium bezel , better hands, smaller valve, especially the black bond collectors edition❤

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

Agree 😃😃

[@willm.8547]

What I enjoy most about your videos. Even older ones, as long as it’s not a market update, age very well. You speak to general treads and overall topics. It’s a nice pov. I do like your individual reviews as well. It’s also very clear Nomos pays you… hahaha kidding!

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

Lol. I prefer not to do reviews too much - There's so much about watches that is opinion and preference. IT's not like a PC or a graphics card where there potentially is a product that is objectively "best" in terms of performance. That's just not the case with watches - so when I do talk about one watch it has to be because there's something more broadly interesting about it. As for who I'm paid by? 😂 In october alone the comments under my videos have people that concluded that - I'm paid by Rolex - I'm paid by Omega to bash on Rolex - I'm paid by Christopher Ward - I'm paid by Nomos - I bash Omega and therefore must be paid by a competitor - I'm a swiss hater - I'm a german watch hater - I talk too much about Sinn - I neglect Sinn too much. Cheers 😂😂

[@tk423b]

Mineral Crystal. unless your life depends on the crystal breaking completely it should never be used. Give me plastic over that.

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

drastic 😂

[@jamesd5689]

Great video. Would disagree that it's not technically possible to have an easy adjust bracelet that is seamless. It's definitely something that can be engineered, but I think it would be more difficult

[@joelopic]

Listening to a man with education, knowledge, intelligence, subjectivity and class is so refreshing. Such a pleasure to watch this channel. But the Omega escape valve has to go . Like a mole on a face. Enough of the stupid valve.

[@ЛентяйЁпта]

Don't like it, don't buy it

[@grahamtaaffe4261]

Regarding the extendable link that the VC overseas does... rumour has it, Christopher Ward are about to do the same on the twelve. It's a game changer in my opinion

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

Potentially it would be quite the innovation at that price point 😃😃

[@sholtobyrnes2210]

This is such an intelligent and interesting channel that I can't believe you have only 8k subscribers! I thought I'd misread it and it said 80k - although the superb videos would justify far, far more than that

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

Maybe one day! Welcome on board (and feel free to spread the word about me 😉😉 )

[@patrickjean-philippe7679]

A thinner case would be fantastic for the Omega Seamaster 🌊 I also agree that the helium escape valve is not an issue, it is an integral part of the Seamaster DNA.

[@kuongsam2314]

Do you agree that IWC had customized heavily on the 2892/SW300 or 7750/SW500 in their watches? IWC watches are also expensive too.

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

The move for IWC to "in-house" is one that you have to take with a bit of a grain of salt, yes. Where the line is between a "modified ETA" or "inspired by ETA" or "based on ETA" is drawn is a hard one to define. Reality is for sure that they didn't invent those movements from scratch - but depending on the calibre som are SO different in terms of materials, specs and capabilities that there is only a passing resemblance (in some cases). 😀😀

[@keefw361]

Another really insightful video. Whats your thoughts on the Omega AT shades not having a easy adjustment bracelet? Should it be easy to get an excellent fit? Just waiting on one from an AD currently

[@dalesmith7250]

Case diameter sizes are totally subjective, absolutely. I think "The Mountain" from Game of Thrones would look pretty ridiculous with a 38mm watch on his wrist.

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

Cartier Tank for him 😃😃😃😂😂

[@jeanlefranc3817]

The association between screw-down crowns and more than 30 meter depth-rating is something we hear way too often on KZbin. And it is not true. I personnaly like the fact that my Formex Essence, which I don't wear on a daily basis and has a fairly modest power reserve, has a push-pull crown. It makes for a much smoother time setting when the watch is dead.

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

Another good example. Totally agree 😀😀

[@brownmcpherson5724]

VC has a hidden easy adjustment on their butterfly bracelet

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

True. I was reminded of this by another viewer. So does the 5811 incidentally. Having said that, these mechanisms are compromises as they do harm to the aesthetic and they are only micro-micro adjust. You have nowhere near the range of adjustment you get from a t-fit. So I see them as half measures and not a great solution. But maybe that’s just me 😀

[@kuongsam2314]

The apple wach bracelet is the best, sleek flush clasp and micro adjustments by the links. The clasps are becoming too big now.

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

Praise for a smartwatch. Scary 😂😂

[@kuongsam2314]

@@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch Bracelet, I bought the device for the bracelet ;-}

[@imranchowdhury4972]

What about power reserve? 40 hrs, 70 hrs or 120 hrs?

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

Also a race to infinity that doesn't always make sense 😃

[@imranchowdhury4972]

@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch this race teaches you to wear multiple watches at the same time, inventing a new term called weekend proof watches generally appreciating 70 hrs power reserve. Well, personally, I had never been a fan of 40 hrs back up.

[@The_Unsuitable]

I had a Seamaster 300m chronograph and the helium valve never bothered me. I even opened it once. Now the bracelet, i don’t know what it was but i ended up not liking it enough to trade the watch in on a submariner. This is going to hurt some of you but to me the submariner is a nicer watch.

[@GrumblingForesight]

I've always enjoyed your videos and the insights they offer but this one I find very fascinating! Love how you name drop other channels (some are my favorites) too. Maybe this is has been said somewhere before but are you a lecturer by day? The way you present and deliver your arguments is top notch.

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

Glad you like them! Not a lecturer. I'm a suit and tie, business kind of guy. But it does happen I have to stand in front of people and talk about stuff on occasion 😀😀

[@GrumblingForesight]

@@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch impressive! I would totally believe it if you told me you were a professor as your explanations are practically BBC science show quality. Cheers from a fellow business guy, although from a polo short and jeans kinda type 😀

[@thegorn]

You would not complain about the price of something unless you really wanted it, that much is clear. If you didn't care a great deal you'd shrug it off any buy something else. The interesting thing about veblen goods is that the more you complain, the more it signals to your fellow man that this is a really hot item. This increases the desirability of said item to others, because if they can get it and you cannot, it gives them status and superiority... "I got one.. you couldn't get one...". This all cements the structure of the veblen price curve. Putting it succinctly. The more you complain, the more desirable it becomes. More desirability equals more demand equals higher price. Wow! Mind... blown. It's been like that since childhood. Take for example, the toy that child A is playing with. Child B starts crying as child A has it and he doesn't. Child B throws a tantrum. Eventually child A is bored of the toy and puts it back in the toy box. Child B sees this but now strangely feels no great desire to play with it any more. Us watch enthusiasts tend to be more kidult than adult. Then there's the social aspect of complaining. It's something old women do (the stereotypical "Karen"), and men do once their testosterone levels drop. It's not a good look - shed a tear and move on.

[@eyeheartsushi2212]

That’s a good take, Sir. Recently I was thinking about which Rolex watches I’d get should they became readily available. I was embarrassed at myself that I probably wouldn’t get any! Such awful thinking. As it stands the only Rolex watches that have my attention are the rose gold two tone Root Beer and a blue motif dial DateJust so *maybe* those two.

[@ssdc2]

I don't know how this idea that prices don't matter became more popular. Maybe it's people who earn their living from watch sales directly or indirectly not wanting to deal with the fact that a fewer people can even think about buying many modern watches.

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

It's the way it is in an upcycle. Pretend you can keep up, or shutup is the approach. Now in the downcycle - Value becomes are far more relevant topic 😀😀

[@simonwright6882]

One that springs to mind is complaining about the lack of lume on a seconds hand, so they can see its working during the night. When the second hand passes an hour marker you can see its running, just wait 5 seconds 🙄

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

Lol. True 😂

[@zegervanaschvanwijck7749]

Damn it was over to soon, more more more of this great content

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

Lol 😂😂 Thank you 😃

[@THE.RATGOD]

The use of « this watch is an xyz killer » is really killing me to the point I don’t open the video anymore

[@thegorn]

"this watch is a ROLEX killer!". fixed.

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

These are the five things you need to know about this watch! 😃😃

[@eyeheartsushi2212]

“Killer” or “alternative” lol

[@wolfgrahl]

Great Video. To the Point. Greetings from Santa Barbara.

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

Thanks for watching! 😊😊

[@h28628]

another issue is omega movement is thick, causing all the watches become thicker.

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

Yup 😀

[@jjlad5037]

I don't mind a HEV...but for gods sake, does it need to be that big?

[@thegorn]

The previous non-wave-dial Seamaster Diver 300m had the perfect size and shape HEV.

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

They are late to the party when it comes to downsizing ... 😀

[@KeithBeacham]

The Seamaster bracelet is the most comfortable I have ever tried on.

[@optimize.]

Outstanding content. Much appreciated

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

Thanks 😀

[@BenNS1971]

Another brilliant video!

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

Thanks 😀

[@bayflowshow65]

In the first 5 seconds I thought Darth Vader was hosting this video.

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

Who says it wasn't ? 😃

[@TimRobertsen]

Two videos in one weekend.. what is this? christmas?

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

Treating the fans to some pre-christmas joy 😀😀

[@grahamtaaffe4261]

Fantastic content..well done sir.

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

So nice of you 😃😃😃

[@wristopia4101]

100% agree on the Bracelet needing to go, and HEV needing to stay on the SMP300, but the HEV needs to change shape dramatically and the whole watch needs to change design way more than Omega will do unfortunately. The PO looks great currently so why does the SMP300 look like its Art Deco cousin from the past??!!

[@eyeheartsushi2212]

LOL

[@davecorry7723]

Ooo. If there was one piece of advice I could have given you (not that I'm in any position to do so) it would be: have nothing to do with other watch-content KZbinrs. I don't know what it is about this hobby, but we seem plagued with fragile egos and insecurities. (I'd love to see a thesis on it, but I'm guessing that you can only buy a luxury watch after you've reached an above-average income, and the people who reach this income believe it's because they made the right choices, which leads them to think they're simply right about most things, so others who disagree are objectively wrong: hence conflict.) Tim Write started as friends with Marco, then they had a petty feud and don't talk anymore. Tim Write started as friends with JJ, then they had a petty feud and don't talk anymore. Higgens started as friends with both: feud/not talking. Oisin started as friends with Britt: feud/not talking. Oisin started as friends with Nico: feud/not talking. JJ started as friends with Oisin: feud/not talking. Austin Daniels seems always to have disliked TGV, for some reason. Paul Thorpe said recently that he's getting, "The kicking of his life," from other KZbinrs. Absolutely everyone hates Marcello. And Archie ... oh, dear lord, Archie. So compiling a list of what other watch-KZbinrs have said and giving your opinion of their opinions is ... interesting. I'm only saying all this because your channel is great. Would be sad to see it devolve into drama-sludge.

[@threethrushes]

I followed AC3, aka the Pontiff, aka Archie about 10 years ago. Good to see him being successful on the platform.

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

Thank you. Fair point on the approach to other youtubers. I was a bit apprehensive myself about this video - but my goal was very much to not get personal, not cast aspersions but purely stick to adressing the substance of common arguments often made. So. I don’t agree with some YTs comments about the seamaster. I do agree about Rolex being “boring” I don’t agree that we should not complain about price. And I think easy adjust bracelet comments need to be nuanced a bit. Hopefully nobody will hate on me for that. Cheers 😀😀😀

[@eyeheartsushi2212]

@@Mike.thiswatchthatwatchYeah I see no issue whatsoever.

[@eyeheartsushi2212]

It’s OK to dislike The Rodent 😂😂😂

[@BoleDaPole]

I would like Hublot too if they sponsored my music tours and gave me thier watches for free during events.

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

Lol 😂

[@shuycg]

Nice stuff!

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

Thank you! Cheers! 😀

[@cj.6988]

Hev isn't the only defining feature different, the laser etched dial, wire lugs, the hands differentiate it. Get rid of the silly hev.

[@thegorn]

*lyre lugs

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

Never 😂😂

[@matteodifra]

Absolutely fantastic ❤

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

Thank you so much! 😃

[@artaudcharles]

Brilliant

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

Thanks 😀

[@leeharding8306]

The Seamaster desperately needs a huge overhaul. It’s too thick and needs to go back to a 41mm and lose the bracelet and skeleton hands. Its bezel action is a joke too and all Omega’s have out of date power reserves. 70 hours plus is the standard now. Omega has had an awful few years in general with very little in terms of releases and the whole catalogue is looking very thick and out of date. Omega better have a big 2024 or they will be in trouble.

[@Saints-Forever]

I agree. There is just too many things that makes the seamaster looks and feels awful. Omega is also beating the speedmaster horse to death with so many iterations and not forgetting the moonswatch that literally kills the iconic model image

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

I agree with much of what you say. It occurred to me how long in the tooth the 8800 movement is by now.... 😃😃

[@eyeheartsushi2212]

Good point about the bezel. So difficult to turn. My least favorite part about my 300m.

[@Johnwis-gp9yy]

I do not think Rolex is playing it safe or that they are boring. They are just a brand that made several of the most iconic watches in history so they are simply not in a position to play catch up with others and find them selves. They have design language of their own just like eg nomos or omega has their own. Are those boring as well? AP is not boring for making hideous attrocities? Rolex is just well established and too well known but it is not boring. So I think you made a silly remark, one of your rare ones to be honest. Keep up the good work

[@michelrainville1094]

0:24 *Seamaster 👍

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

yup 😂😂😂

[@StephenMorganCanada]

I disagree about the Seamaster; tapered bracelets are visually weak. A bracelet needs some strong brand appeal otherwise get a strap.

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

Fair enough. We like what we like 😃😃

[@patsmith3894]

I own a Seamaster NTTD. It is very thin. It feels like a feather, and the bracelet is fantastic. Your generalized assessment of Seamasters fails to distinguish between models. Some Seamasters are perfect.

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

Have the NTTD myself. It IS very nice. I do however stand by my statement that broadly speaking, many omegas need thinning down 😃😃

[@frankm4129]

Sorry Tudor and Rolex are not boring they are the best looking watches on the market

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

One does not negate the other 😀😀

[@lanceuppercut7436]

My response to those who complain about not having smaller sized watches is simple, develop bigger wrists😁

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

Pick things up. Put them down. 😂

[@Man_Ray78]

When youtubers say things like Adrian said, we should not talk about watches are to pricy ( it might be because he's got to get to Rolex parties and get's pens and stuff as souvenirs and free Golf-travel holidays to Scotland, like the doctors got from the Stacklers family) I get annoyed because I can feel and see more clearly how anyone is getting bought on KZbin and they act like Ed Sheeran and John Mayor.

[@fontyyy]

By definition a luxury item almost has to be overpriced. A decent steel Seiko is about $500. A fake Tudor is about $500, you need a loop and a good eye to see it's fake. A fake Rolex is about $500, you need a loop and a good eye to see it's fake. A fake Patek is about $500, you need a loop and a good eye to see it's fake. There's a message there, can you work it out? Obv I'm not talking about $500,000 watches.

[@kentishmale1969]

Watch sizes and the current trend for people to make blanket statements about no one needs a watch bigger than 40mm etc etc are what really irritate me. A 40mm might look huge on their child sized 6inch wrist, but everyone has a different size, and there's no such thing as one size fits all, so its really not going to look huge on my 8.25inch wrist is it. We are all different, but too many people in the watch world, KZbin'ers and enthusiasts, make such blanket statements purely based upon their own personal experience and needs.

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

He he - You and me both 😃

[@gazz501]

The almost obsessive need to tier or rank watches, usually subjectively, seems to be borne out of the reviewers egotistical assumption of their own importance. Yes you Nico. And how does the tier work anyway? By my reckoning Casio and Seiko can be at the same level as Patek if I base my judgement simply on what I would wear in public. Actually I will rank PP well below many other watches based on that criteria because I would only wear a PP at home or in very discreet company. And another thing - Is the whole KZbin reviewers genre too stressed for attention? Are all of you guys competing for views and subs with too much saturation? Yes you Andrew.

[@thegorn]

And yet here you are, consuming all of it

[@gazz501]

@thegorn Yes that's true because I'm looking for the wheat in the chaff, like Mike's episodes. Did you consider that before your bilious comment?

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

Ironically I am actually working on a tier list that is actually useful for people. I find them such a chore normally and have tried to wrap my head around doing them in another, more useful way. Haven’t found a way to use the tier list format to communicate something with a bit of depth, but when I do I will be doing one. The irony….🤦🤦🤦😀

[@tanman7627]

Omega seamaster when you almost have enough money for a sub

[@ALL-il1sw]

Rolex when you almost have a personality

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

Audemars Piguet - When money is your personality 😂

[@eyeheartsushi2212]

@@ALL-il1swLMAO

[@eyeheartsushi2212]

@@Mike.thiswatchthatwatchHa!

[@frankm4129]

Rolex is better than all three that you mentioned so give me a break I’d rather have a Rolex any day than patek or vasaron or AP if they were all price, the same I would still fix the roller

[@disaar3679]

Adrian Barker is as interesting of a KZbinr as he is a watch collector - obtuse and uninspiring.

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

To each their own - I quite like him - and he's an excellent videographer. That's the part I most appreciate about his approach. 😊

[@Sirkelsag666]

LOVE THE HEV

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

That's the spirit 😃😃

[@ЛентяйЁпта]

Disagree with your commentary on Omega needing a smaller bezel and a smaller case

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

fair enough - we all want what we want 😊

[@dr.kevinmoore8889]

I disagree completely with your commentary on Hublot. If there are good watches with the movement that Hublot has taken and regulated as it has in the Classic Fusion, then it isn't disqualified from being a "good watch." That it doesn't fit your value calculation is an entirely different matter. And in your calculation you seem to ignore the fact that some people who buy watches use the relative expensivity as a part of their calculation.

[@chriscardwell3495]

Extra Silly Addition . . . Your wrist is a valueable real estate which could be wearing a health monitor (which also tells the time) to spot any potential illnes before you are aware. It is better to fix medical problems early rather than more drastic courses of action later. Professors at the likes of Standford University etc. are more fanatical and sometimes wear about 6 health monitors . . . For more health-consciouse people a health monitor on both arms is likely to become normal. Is this another reason why traditional watches will become less popular?

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

lol.... 😂😂

[@impoautosguatemala9847]

Rolex and tudor are sooooo Boring.

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

😂😂

[@nedflanders3769]

I love the HEV. Make it even bigger! If anything else, just to trigger all the snowflakes! LoL 😊

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@eyeheartsushi2212]

😂😂😂

[@jhrodriguez08]

Britt Pierce needs to get her teeth fixed first 😂

[@thegorn]

She has a face for radio

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

Guys. I’m a middle aged bald dude, with a big forehead, a scruffy beard and worn out hoodies…. 😀

[@underachievingwatchcollect1878]

“ The Perfect 3 Watch Collection”-I’ve seen most KZbin’rs do this and I find it utterly ridiculous. I have around two dozen watches (unsure on exact number at this time) and the idea of paring down to 3 watches? I’m afraid that ship 🛳️ has sailed.

[@thegorn]

The perfect 3-dozen collection. Personally i think 12-15 is about right.

[@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch]

I've always wondered who these people were that could limit themselves to 3 watches. That ship sailed for me as well. In my case it sailed about three months after I bought my first "I'm going to take an interest in watches" journey....

[@eyeheartsushi2212]

@@Mike.thiswatchthatwatchhehehe