Omegaverse: Male Pregnancy In Romance

A look at the strange, relatively new romance subgenera and some books that came of it.
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[@Sleipnirseight]

FINE, KZbin. I WILL WATCH THIS ANALYSIS OF MALE PREGNANCY NOVELS.

[@Ramsey276one]

I am not alone... SIGH

[@CapucineNighly]

Lol this literally did pop-up randomly for me on my recommend to watch...... Several times tbh.

[@iceage951]

I'm not the only one 😔

[@brownstudios5379]

same, Ive read a few fanfics like it (they just gave males the ability or rather allowed for people in same sex relationships to conceive naturally)...they were pretty good but idk why this was in my recommended

[@InkAndPoet]

That's the spirit!!!!😁😁😁😁✌

[@IncredibleMD]

"Interesting fact: The fanbase of this content wasn't as exclusively gay male as I was expecting." You sweet summer child.

[@AvgJane19]

🤣

[@JustNatax3]

I swear Lesbians write the most excruciatingly detailed m/m smut I've ever laid eyes on and I have no clue why the fuck that is

[@PhysicallyAwake]

You know what sucks is that I have to be subjected to reading these types of stories because it’s literally the only thing that they have on the websites I can afford to read them on.

[@Haru-nee]

@@JustNatax3 I need sauce, please

[@Eris_Norregard]

@@PhysicallyAwake I'm pretty sure that you can find literally every genre of literature on Archive of our Own. I remember when I came there looking for Supernatural fanfics and I found everything from A/b/o romances and BDSM smut to psychological thrillers and sci-fi space operas.

[@wesleypatterson2989]

"Why is it whenever there's a weird new type of BDSM fanfiction, its always because of you three?" *Camera pan over to Sam, Dean and Castiel*

[@linkeragon7885]

"no not them those 3" Camera pan over to a semi-truck, fighter jet and tank.

[@Crisjola]

I HATE that I understand both references.

[@lizanna6390]

If supernatural didn't start it star trek did

[@darkstorm0433]

Castiel: Believe me, I've been asking myself the same question for 18 years.

[@macaronsncheese9835]

Star Trek fandom: YAY IT WASN'T US THIS TIME

[@LunatheMoonDragon]

Damn, imagine a straight white guy actually willingly reading this stuff, NOT just to laugh at gay/teen girl fantasies, but actually to learn more about them. Where did you come from and can the LGBT community use you as an example of a good ally forever

[@queenmoreau2098]

Lol, the main ones reading and writing these stories are straight older women (think women in their 30s and 40s). Not teen girls.

[@LunatheMoonDragon]

@@queenmoreau2098 That may be true in book form. These same exact stories that don't get self published are often written and consumed by teen girls. You bring up a good point, though! That it's not necessarily just things teen girls like, but often all women, along with LGBT people.

[@wwaxwork]

@@LunatheMoonDragon As an older straight woman that reads similar stuff online (though has not yet dipped a toe into this particular universe) we start as teenage girls and just keep going. Though in my days it involved BBSs, dial up modems, 5 1/2 floppies & frantically printing them out on the schools dot matrix printer & hoping the teacher didn't ask any questions.

[@ayofrtho7014]

@@wwaxwork Y'all were troopers 😳💀

[@evolsdog126]

Stalin just a Fellow russian comrade - spoken like a white man

[@studybuddy.]

Oh God, seeing this somewhere that’s not Tumblr, ao3, or a niche fan site make me feel some type of way

[@bouddicathesleepinglioness3148]

Mood Im extremely into omegaverse and im on 2 levels like "HOLY SHIT" and on another level "yaaaas"

[@samsy426]

@@bouddicathesleepinglioness3148 you forgot one: "ouchh"

[@candicoated2001]

I feel scared yet called out.

[@PuffiKartoffel]

Discomfort

[@taintedinnocence85]

it's all over amazon now though I can only find straight a/b/o stuff >.

[@fusselmietz5929]

I think Fifty shades scarred Dominic more than we thought

[@hemidas]

That book is a Lament Configuration in literary form.

[@haileyviolett3108]

I want to like your comment but the likes are at 911 and that's just too perfect

[@tkam3547]

Time to scar him more by reading more of EL James’s works

[@Siberianchan]

We need to keep the hetero omegaverse stories far, far, FAR away from him. The poor man has suffered enough

[@laylamorrison9596]

@@Siberianchan And 365 Days.

[@beasantiago6536]

A reminder that in ABO there are also Alpha Women. Anybody ( male, female or others) can fit in alpha, beta or omega, it doesn't depend on gender. And an answer to a common question in a male omega-female alpha relationship, the omega will be the one getting pregnant.

[@elfodelputoinfierno]

It's actually really neat how gender fluid that society works

[@gabbyabbott4965]

If I ever get a sugar daddy I want them to yell “daddy punch” when punching bad guys.

[@CaitCher]

XD Oh the brilliance of that line!

[@GreatBooker]

I never had any interest in a sugar daddy until reading this comment...yelling daddy punch and having someone bring the heat down would be really fun

[@becauseimafan]

😂

[@mithmoonwalker]

tops, you don't have to be a sugar daddy to yell this, just yellit for fun

[@Alex-xc5ju]

"I was completely and utterly taken aback by just how ridiculously wholesome this novella was." this poor man just needs some good fluff in his life and forget about fifty shades. Good luck, Dom.

[@GiubileiFernando]

I've found very wholesome stories in otherwise very extreme kink stories.

[@BlazeDupree1525]

Im not going to lie... Ive been reading A/B/Os for years. They are usually the most wholesome kinky shit ive ever read

[@treethief4987]

@@BlazeDupree1525 same

[@Jacky.c.v]

Aingeal Jackson Same. I’m here for the story, less the kink

[@BlazeDupree1525]

@@Jacky.c.v right, I don't know why. But there is something satisfying about knowing for sure that your partner is 100% dedicated to you and will do everything in their power to be there for you and visversa. And add a baby into the mix and its just wholesome fluff with a bit of rough kinky smut in between all the sweetness.

[@quinnsinclair7028]

Dom: this began as Supernatural fanfiction. Me: yeah that seems about right.

[@HelloWorldxx3]

Sadly so.

[@johannaweichsel3602]

There's a lot of stuff to filter out in the m/m section of Archive Of Our Own

[@bloodsknight]

Especially cause it was Wincest...

[@tarod3]

@@bloodsknight You would have to be mad to mistake those to as related OR miss the crazy sexual overtones. They knew what their fans wanted and they gave it to them.

[@bloodsknight]

@@tarod3 I really never saw anything sexual between the two, I still dont.

[@NinasNon-Sense]

Huh, all this time I've been blaming the Teen Wolf fandom for this stuff. Should have known it was Supernatural.

[@Theracooninyourbasement]

It's ALWAYS supernatural😼

[@thewildcard600]

dito

[@bouddicathesleepinglioness3148]

Rules of fanfiction its always supernatural and if its not its harry potter.

[@ptolemy5168]

we can probably blame teen wolf for the rush of content after the initial fanfic everyone had wolves on the brain

[@Sapphykins]

ABO is older than a lot of people seem to realise (and mpreg predates it because I remember having to avoid it when I was very first in fandom). As in livejournal kinkmeme old. It predated the first episode of teen wolf by more than a year, and the teen wolf shipping community didn't really get big until the second season. (Although I'm enough of a fandom-old that I'm honestly surprised it's only 10 years old, some of the older kinkmemes had some legitimately wild stuff on them, although for some reason 'male character is secretly a kind of humanoid frog who must lay spawn-like eggs' didn't catch on like ABO did. Can't image why...)

[@yltraviole]

For those nerdy enough to read it: someone wrote a whole thesis on the Omegaverse. It's really good, and superinteresting, and focuses on the way these fics often tackle real world issues of sexism, homophobia and oppression: "What is an omega? Rewriting sex and gender in omegaverse fanfiction." By Marianne Gunderson.

[@herbivorousTombstone]

thank you! this is very interesting!

[@kiram.3619]

Greetings from a fellow Philosophy student :D I sadly don't have the time to read it at the moment, but I saved it and am going to, as it sounds very interesting. I'm commenting now before reading so I wont forget to thank you for introducing a philosophical paper about these underlieing issues. Also, I'm not quite sure if I have the guts to recommend it to someone else. How kinky does the specific matter you discuss get? or in other words: Will I be able to look my professor in the eyes if I show it to her? I know the real world issues are a topic she's interested in, but Omegaverse I doubt she knows.

[@owayasomething9295]

@@kiram.3619 Also the paper “Slight dub-con but they both wanted it hardcore”: Erotic fanfiction as a form of cultural activism around sexual consent" by Milena Popova. It has some really thoughtful insights into the handling of consent in omegaverse as well as rpf fanfic.

[@sunflare1492]

Just want to leave this here for whoever comes across this comment and wants to find the essay www.duo.uio.no/bitstream/handle/10852/60216/Omegaverse-MarianneGunderson.pdf?sequence=5

[@slsthewriter1299]

@@sunflare1492 It's so interesting how easily I can tell that the person behind the essay is from the perspective of someone in fanfiction rather than an "outsider" looking in, I suppose. So there's something to be said about how people perceive this genre depending on how they stumble upon it: through fanfiction or not. Lol. But this is really interesting. Thanks for sharing it!

[@lexisnek5476]

"I'm just kinda burnt out on books where someone always gets assaulted in some capacity" as a fan of fantasy and sifi romance novels very much same. i want the playfully cute banter and clear, excited, consent . please and thank you.

[@DieAlteistwiederda]

I'm so glad that I have a friend with a very small publishing company that always makes sure that consent is given on all stories or she just won't publish it. Has been such a game changer for me to only read erotic stuff from her and one similar publisher. Only available in German though but suits me just fine.

[@lexisnek5476]

@@DieAlteistwiederda lucky I have to dredge though the trash to find the good trash XD. It's gotten to the point where I have a ton of half finished ones I started then tossed the moment consent was violated.

[@Hi-yt2xk]

Defy the stars has some of the good ol consent and respect if you need any recommendations

[@wochenente6977]

@@DieAlteistwiederda hey! I'm from Germany as well and am looking for romance/smut novels that are consensual! What 2 publishing companies are you talking about? I'd love to look into them😊

[@olimakiella]

Kind of like whenever you used to see a movie that included gay characters. One, both, or all of them would be dead by the end. I got burnt out on that too.

[@noviatoria2436]

"More canine inspired genitalia" I do knot have any idea what you're talking about

[@di7209]

You’re wrong for that

[@williamgarcia1417]

Look up female hyenas

[@therobotfromirobot]

Y’ever think we’re gonna be judged for our sins

[@tomorrowsagitatortm2569]

@@therobotfromirobot we're too far gone for that.

[@georgecooper9766]

I casually passed this comment and then it turned around and slapped me in the face.

[@marcusallard8626]

I can’t believe this legit exists outside of Wattpad and fanfiction sites

[@hyperfixationcentral6200]

So does 50 shades of gray

[@EasilyDistractedPlanner]

Loads of people make a living writing it, have for years. I was there when it kicked off big-time in self-publishing in 2015 and I know authors making 5 figures a month writing those stories. It's a well-loved genre for loads of people. A genre full of men who love babies and kids and are caring and you also get some smut (at least, this is what most Omegaverse stories I've read are like), it's a perfect combo.

[@IvoirePunk]

There was literally a court case over it 🙃 Lindsay Ellis posted a long video about it last week.

[@EasilyDistractedPlanner]

@@IvoirePunk That was bout hetero Omegaverse and has nothing to do with mpreg. It's a whole different take on the idea and loads of mpreg readers would not be that comfortable with what's being published as Omegaverse in MF romance.

[@IvoirePunk]

@@EasilyDistractedPlanner I was referring to the omegaverse and not mpreg specifically, got this comment mixed with another when I replied

[@Mr2squids]

Lindsey Ellis' Omegaverse lawsuit video and morbid curiosity brought me here.

[@dragonkingzippo]

Same😆

[@AvgJane19]

Same

[@kaamn1829]

Oh, I watch that and this popped up in my recommended! Wack!

[@alysiamerdavid-wasser9165]

I tried to watch this before I knew what was AO3 was. I just saw Lindsay's 2nd video, and.. WOW. And of course.. #SPN.😂

[@peytonpupstar7931]

Yup. Same. I watched both of her vids on the subject about how positively deranged Ms Addison Cain is and was looking for some sort of comment here. Not disappointed. And I still geek out about how truly, awesomely fucked up that whole het omegaverse is. It's rape, but it's ok cos he's good at it!!!??? WTAF!!??

[@smjaiteh]

Confirmed: Those guys on the Internet calling me “beta” were just tsundere.

[@zealouszombie5658]

I mean-

[@bartholemeowthefirst]

@@zealouszombie5658 Should we tell him?

[@duowest642]

They were probably Jessie Lee Peterson fans.

[@HappyMan0203]

@@duowest642 Amazin.

[@Theracooninyourbasement]

Those kinky bitches

[@randomnessrules4971]

Seahorses have a creepy fetish genre called F-preg.

[@ClownDollThatHasContemptForYou]

Because of course that's a thing

[@tommy25185]

I believe you

[@yoohimi]

Thanks for reminding me XD that the sea gets stranger the deeper you get.

[@randomnessrules4971]

Fusion is just a cheap tactic to make weak anglerfish stronger!

[@Florceleste28]

I just find out that clownfishes can naturally chage genres if the leader female of the group dies.

[@milkiecookies4788]

‘It’s like being hit in the face with a rather concentrated ray of sunshine and vomiting pure sugar’ yeah...yeah it sounds like it might be fluff...yeah you’re just reading fluff...

[@SonjaPond]

art of the void oh my gods you’re right 😂

[@Sapphykins]

or possibly even full on schmoop

[@plutossky7534]

*laughs in fluff writer*

[@scp--297]

Fluff is fucking amazing and addictive.

[@CHEESEPUFF_7]

I love Fluff

[@nanusantos1696]

The weirdest part about this whole thing is that women can't be attracted to Omegas. Let them have their twinks if they want to!

[@krunchyk1tk4t28]

Nahuel Santos well, most stories I read about this topic included women alphas, some of them even being with male omegas, so that’s pretty neat

[@gregorythestallion2984]

pretty accured to real life

[@nanusantos1696]

@@gregorythestallion2984 I don't know, man. I feel like *many* women would disagree with that statement

[@gregorythestallion2984]

@@nanusantos1696 statistics show pretty much that women (at least nowadays) are pretty much not into men with an equal or lower status. Omegas not only lack status, they lack the personality, the dominance, the money, and probably the dick. But, yeah, I guess I have to consider that omegas as handsome men too, so they have attractiveness on their side, which is a huge factor in attraction for females. Mind you, I'm talking about attraction, not holding relationships.

[@phastinemoon]

@@gregorythestallion2984 Y’know what they say about statistics, Dude - there’s lies, damned lies, and statistics. In other words, just because you find a lot of examples of this thing, doesn’t mean it’s the absolute truth, and there’s plenty of disproving examples.

[@elenaobradovic4181]

I’m not going to lie, the idea of there being books based around omega verse never even crossed my mind. I only knew of it from fanfiction and I don’t know how to feel about there being published works based on the concept

[@Zarsla]

This series: archiveofourown.org/series/695802 Purely original series, some of the early ones are/were being publish. I'm down as long as it's original fiction.

[@mekinot]

I didn't think of books either, but there's toooooooooooooooons of original manga set in omegaverse

[@Zarsla]

@@mekinot Soooo mannnnny.

[@kerrychristensen7204]

@@mekinot where could I find somma that? 😅

[@brunetteartist24]

I never realized published books could be a/b/o

[@Nanabbi_]

Me: *Walks in very cautiously expecting this genre to be teared to pieces Dominic: *Asks his watchers to restrain the kink-shaming Dominic: *Addresses the parallels between Omegaverse and everyday women's reality Dominic: *Addresses the parallels between Omegaverse and real life Gay prejudices (that had somehow eluded me for some reason. Probably because I was more focused on the previous parallel) Dominic: *Doesn't dwell on the male pregnancy for too long and grasps the variety in which the genre appeals to people Dominic: *Keeps a genuinely un-biased and respectful open mind on the subject and does a reasonable amount of research Me: *Clutching my heart with a single tear running down my face- Wholesome... We don't deserve you.

[@khaelstorm2552]

Vernon Roche patroooooonn this was probably released last year

[@Nanabbi_]

@Vernon Roche XD It was released for early access on Patreaon, yes.

[@katieb.1184]

RIGHT! this was so amazing.

[@Kagomai15]

I expected the same, but I really ought to know better by now! He's always respectful of these things. Personally, I don't read A/B/O fic for those exact reasons you listed. I'm on Ao3 to escape those realities, not read parallels of them ^^;;

[@Nanabbi_]

@@Kagomai15 I felt bad for expecting it afterwards because I know he is always open minded. It is just such an easy genre to rip to pieces and I had no clue what samples he would stumble over. As he said, if the writter is decent so will the piece be and while I have not read any published works, but there are a ton of unhealthy and disturbing fanfiction in this genre. It is not my favorite genre, but if I search for a ship or team building and it is among the results with an interesting description I might read it. Sometimes it has interesting worldbuilding, dynamics and there's of course a lot of wholesome tooth-rotting fluff happening. Also the smut if you are in the mood for that.

[@wingedone6512]

I once read somewhere that straight women often enjoy gay love stories because it's just about two people working through their feelings and whatever problems life throws at them, WITHOUT the expectations caused by gender roles. It's like refreshing, or something. Which I can totally understand.

[@theresamk6236]

"This started out as Supernatural fanfiction." Me: unfortunately, I am aware. 16-year-old me was...not expecting this dynamic when I saw it for the first time

[@Shasha-jo5iv]

Omg hi! I also read that first story and experienced the cosequent boom in the wincest fandom... the internet is weird.

[@catfoy8888]

There's also stories where women can be A/B/O

[@bluethewitch6443]

I have a new favorite Genre now thanks XD

[@Zarsla]

@@bluethewitch6443 This series pretty much goes through ever pairing you can think of. Also connected universe like cameos and the like. Also Historical. archiveofourown.org/series/695802

[@merrittanimation7721]

I forgot what this was about and thought this was some kink based on blood type. And then I got Homestuck flashbacks.

[@Zarsla]

@@merrittanimation7721 lol

[@jamesgrinsen1085]

Merritt Animation Those combination of words should be illegal

[@vi_cesario]

dominic: omegaverse me: **war flashbacks**

[@stellar783]

I could go to war any day if I had to🤷‍♀️

[@shepard1175]

STELLAR! "Anyone, who truly wants to go to war, has truly never been there before" -Larry Reeve

[@stellar783]

Артём а Симеон we are still talking about fanfictions..aren’t we?

[@shepard1175]

STELLAR! Reference

[@stellar783]

Артём а Симеон ??? You want my fanfic references?? (If so lmao)

[@sikfox]

Hmm. I wonder if the published books that you've been recommended ever bring up the concept of Suppressants. Like birth control, its a pill Alphas and Omegas can opt into taking that 'suppresses' their need, lust, or scent and keeps them level headed in their day-to-day norms. Something about you saying "How can consent play in this universe if 2 or more of the party cannot control themselves" brought this bit of info dump from me. Great review! You were so professional with this topic.

[@Arkylie]

I love the many times I've seen Omegaverse fics use the Integrity Crisis setup. Basically, one party has lost their inhibitions, and the other party must fight off their own desires to honor their friend's right of consent. In Omegaverse, it works as: Bob goes into heat, Jim valiantly fends off Bob's advances and finds a way to keep Bob safe until the heat wears off, or else finds a way to help Bob get through the heat with minimal amount of nonconsensual damage done. I've seen a character stuff limes up his nose to cut down on his reaction to the pheromones. I've seen a doctor advise a mask and a noseful of Vic's VapoRub until the (quite sheltered) Alpha is able to calm down and control his unfamiliar reaction (and then the doc berates him *and* an omega friend for having this outdated idea that Alpha instincts are completely uncontrollable -- just because they're strong doesn't mean you can't figure out how to manage them, at least in that fic). I've seen characters tie people up to keep them from doing something they'll regret, and I've seen a character try every possible means of talking his way out until the effect wore off enough to be manageable (that one wasn't Omegaverse, but had similar mechanics due to a drug). It's fascinating how authors choose to deal with consent issues once there's such a mechanic in play -- and it gives the lie to these people who in real life try to claim that their behavior was absolutely out of their control.

[@Eris_Norregard]

9:55 I'm kinda new to your videos, and that part just made me realize how utterly precious human being you are. I don't think I've ever seen a straight cis male being as kind, empathetic and respectful towards LGBTQ+ community before. It lowkey makes me wanna cry with joy.

[@convenientlyshapedlamp8664]

Being respectful and nonjudgemental towards women and the lgbt community is the most attractive trait a man can have. I didn’t have a crush on Dom when I first started watching him but seeing how genuine he is about social issues and mental health... *chefs kiss*

[@GreatBooker]

Conveniently Shaped Lamp I found Dom through his fifty shades videos and I think halfway through the second vid I realized I had the biggest crush ever on him because he was getting as angry as I did about the consent issues etc. in the first book. Definitely raised the bar for men in my real life

[@salenebrom6476]

Conveniently Shaped Lamp 👏🏻

[@biancastepney1517]

@@Lodatzor Women: "I love how this man acknowledges consent issues present in a lot of fiction!" Some regressive neckbeard on a keyboard rant: "YoU wAnT mEn tO bE sErViLe FeMiNiSm BaD"

[@delcidkidv250]

Lodatz the whole point is that it isn’t real. It’s a fiction that isn’t making statements about the real world.

[@convenientlyshapedlamp8664]

Lodatz dude. FUCK. OFF. Your argument makes no sense because this genre has the exact same thing but with women exhibiting doglike traits; it isn’t written by women to feel superior or by men to appease women. Its a fetish. Also men aren’t servile to women, either in this video or in this book, because newsflash: THERE ARE NO WOMEN PRESENT IN EITHER. You having an issue with men being treated like women- even by other men- just proves women are treated worse.

[@alexiapri]

i love how dom tried SO HARD to avoid the issue of knotting. like honey,,, we all know what "unusual genitalia" means

[@kylpyvene]

Knotting?

[@amiflores3677]

@@kylpyvene 😂

[@jhjadkfgjhb6488]

RIGHT?? NBDJHDVHG

[@angelabeyer2497]

Haha that’s my thought too lol

[@angelabeyer2497]

Kylpyvene uh...look up doggy dongs if you’re curious

[@collectedcrows4034]

It's really really weird to see a topic like this on a non fanfic/shipping dedicated channel and (even though I've always found it odd and not really my cup of tea) still approaching it and just explaining it calmly and with kindness is super refreshing

[@Dan-zc3ou]

One type of abo fanfics that i really like, that is even rarer than a triple rainbow, is the omega/omega or alpha/alpha relationahips

[@whiskeredwolf4861]

I adore those rare stories! It's so cool to see alphas overcome their "biological imperative" to fight for an omega and instead enter a loving and committed relationship, and I love seeing omegas fight against everything society taught them to be with each other.

[@whiskeredwolf4861]

Daniele I also like the genre subversions where Omegas are the fiercer (usually in defense of their young) or higher-ranking dynamic, but I’ve seen like two of those so far.

[@Eris_Norregard]

@@whiskeredwolf4861 Huh... it just occured to me that the way alpha/alpha and omega/omega relationships are treated in-universe kinda reflects the way gay and lesbian relationships are treated in our world... i.e. two omegas want to be together, and are condemned for it because they can't get pregnant that way and "their bodies are supposed to be for baby-making"... like, does that sound familiar? 0_O

[@whiskeredwolf4861]

@@Eris_Norregard I’ve also seen the comparison where omegas shouldn’t be together because it would be too “tempting” for the alphas, and irl some lesbians are told... yeah.

[@Eris_Norregard]

@@whiskeredwolf4861 So the authors somehow manage to sneak homophobia into universe where everyone is homosexual... Human creativity just never ceases to amaze me.

[@azalea9]

Just to clarify a bit here: Omegaverse/ABO does have women. There two genders (female and male) and three subgenders or status (alpha, beta, and omega). Women and men can be any of the three: like woman-alpha, woman-beta, woman-omega and male-alpha, male-beta, and male-omega. The dynamics in society is based on your "status" rather than your gender. So if you're a male-alpha you have the same rights and privileges as a woman-alpha. I think this is one (of many) reasons why people are drawn to the ABO verse...

[@m1sh474]

because it's sexist?

[@sofiadragon6520]

It puts a disconnect between gender and status in an interesting way. I know a trans man who loves these stories - or at least the ones with more substance than porn. I also enjoy the ones that use the setup to exaggerate and lambast sexist themes. There are quite a few where an Omega fakes being an Alpha in public to avoid sexism and get a certain job or break traditions (or vice versa.)

[@conckretangel]

not all of them have this dynamic. It happens most of the time in manga with omegaverse rather than books in my experience

[@trispigeonbaneodair7961]

Ive always had a question that no one seems to be able to answer. In a male omega female beta relationship, can the omega get the women pregnant? Is he even able to be in a relationship with her, or been an omegga necessary means hes atracted to dudes only

[@m1sh474]

@@trispigeonbaneodair7961 I've read fics with a female beta getting pregnant from a male omega, yes. Some fics don't allow male omegas to get another male/female omegas or female betas to get pregnant because their penises are underdeveloped and their semen is basically water, while other fics allow it. So basically, the "science" it's up to the writer's stupidity or good skills.

[@PlatinumAltaria]

Mpreg fans: "It would be so hot if men could get pregnant." Trans men: nervous sweating

[@Dreigonix]

Generally, the whole point of Mpreg is that it’s a cis man who has somehow gotten pregnant. And I’ve met trans guys who find the Omegaverse very validating. Be that as it may, some Mpreg fans do fetishize trans guys, and that is pretty awful.

[@VampiricVik]

@@Dreigonix and there's trans men who are tired of mpreg because it's very dysphoria triggering

[@blagw2677]

@@VampiricVik as a trans man i agree that for me its dysphoria triggering (havent watched the vid yet and im nervous to hah) edit: just watched it, the vid is okay hahaha since it wasnt described in depth : )

[@Dreigonix]

+Mikhail Edelstein Yep, it all depends on the person. And me, as a cis guy- it’s obviously not on me to decide what trans people should or shouldn’t find harmful.

[@laslosermcuseless1574]

@@blagw2677 Same. I feel completely discussed on every level but I can't look away and this is coming from a deadwingdork fan.

[@artsyryder]

The amount of distraught and fear I felt seeing this in my KZbin reccomended is indescribable

[@blackpyxy9583]

Why?lol

[@Zeverinsen]

Yes.

[@miracle_prelude4392]

Like "you, very disturbed person, here. Take a very nice video analysis of the ✨omegaverse✨"

[@Lanoira13]

This was exactly my feeling after binging Dom videos and then seeing this. lol I'm glad I finally watched it. A few inaccuracies/oversimplifications, but it was otherwise a really chill wholesome video on the issue.

[@Shenaldrac]

You know, I can actually really appreciate a romance story that's actually *about* a romantic relationship instead of "will they won't they". I wanna read about characters in a relationship and how that relationship develops and flows, not about whether or not the characters can even get to the starting line and then that's treated as the climax, which is how romantic relationships are used in a LOT of literature.

[@bar1scorpio]

Dominic: "I'd rather not read stories were raep pops up every other chapter." >Doesn't walk away from Romance genre. Godspeed in your search for something non-raepy.

[@dracu9833]

did you misspell that on purpose?

[@TotallyHuman]

@@dracu9833 I honestly do appreciate it.

[@verybarebones]

Lack of capability to consent is way more intrinsic to the abo genre than the romance genre though, and i say that as someone who has read a ton of both. Tons of biological determinism too that in romance youd only see in the most conservative novels

[@albaniaalban]

Just a heads-up, if you spell "rape" that way people with word filters won't be able to filter it out!

[@bar1scorpio]

@@verybarebonesMy go to in this is- Outlander. On Starz. Just... Outlander.

[@GirlGamer190]

Fun fact, For the final presentation in our senior year, my teacher allowed us to do a multimedia presentation about any topic that we wanted, so my friend and I being huge fanfics addicts back them and in my case still am, we chose to talk about the Omegaverse. So for 20 minutes, our whole classroom had to listen to us talk in length about this universe, the rules the hierarchy of alpha-beta and Omega, the classism, the parallels between Omega and women, toxic masculinity present in the alpha, the biology, history classic tropes found in this fanfiction the whole nine yards, all with the pictures and Vivid detail. My friend I had a lot of fun working on that but I have to admit the best part of it was the look on our teacher and classmates' faces. you could drop a pin in that room. Edit: forgot to mention, we got an A on this.

[@merrittanimation7721]

Reminds me of the time one of my classmates made a film about masturbation for a final project. Which the teacher specifically said not to make porn about when he said we could do whatever we wanted besides that if it had a story.

[@GirlGamer190]

@@merrittanimation7721 At least informative? What grade did they get?

[@merrittanimation7721]

@@GirlGamer190 It wasn't informative at all. It was a comedy where the guy's tissue caused flowers to grow. My teacher seemed to be fine with it though, he was disappointed the audio was off sync because of the computer.

[@GirlGamer190]

@@merrittanimation7721 oh my God 😆

[@trapsaltnburn]

This comment is my favorite today! And congrats on the A!

[@MojoSojoJojo]

It's a well known fact that all kinks started as Wincest fanfic requests.

[@TheSlipperyNUwUdle]

Or old slash of Spock and Captain Kirk.

[@user-ie7vo1hj3j]

and to the lesser degree Harry Potter and Naruto

[@teylawhite687]

“It’s almost more wholesome than the amish romance novel I reviewed” is a great sentence out of context and an even better one in context

[@kimshinshiro]

Me, a fanfiction writer: Dominic: mpreg, omegaverse Me: *sweats*

[@yohtan]

Me except I am the reader than the writer. 😳

[@azmonbored3837]

yohtan same here

[@EmpathP]

I've never empathized with a comment more XD

[@dbzcupcake]

me 🤣

[@salenebrom6476]

MinRin Kim 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@Dominic-Noble]

Just in case there is any confusion, the running shoes and fresh air to cure depression comment was in reference to a famous tweet by Katie Hopkins. Toby does not have depression in this book, I was just using it as a example of how mental health is treated in general.

[@MirandolinaAmaldin]

You're awesome! ❤️💜💙

[@davidlejeune9626]

I don't think you should call ADD an illness. Nice video, though.

[@brookebennett6006]

David Lejeune it’s literally a disorder though?

[@gemstonerose4648]

@@davidlejeune9626 I suppose it isn't an illness in the sense that it cant be cured. But it is a deficiency caused by a chemical imbalance and is clasified as mental disorder.

[@g.strobl4458]

I could imagine that the idea of dropping ADD medication might be the result of this particular diagnosis being overused a bit. For example, Autism of the Spectrum kind is often misdiagnosed as either ADD or ADHD. At best it treats a symptom in such cases, at worst... well, side-effects are a thing. If that is an experience one of the writers has gone through or has seem somebody go through, that might explain this part of the story. On the other hand, they also might simply have forgotten to pick up that thread?

[@rascal342]

I appreciate this genre of fanfic because it frequently has absolutely fascinating takes on feminism, sexuality, masculinity, and society in general. Even the very way an author sets up their story’s world is a thought experiment involving all of these things. That said, the consent issues prevalent in the genre are easily it’s biggest drawback for me.

[@SingingSealRiana]

you find a lot more wholesome and well written romance in ff then in published media. also, realistic romance. the messed up stuff too of cause , but you will find more of that in conservative media proportionaly, then the healthy well thought out stuff that is frightingly rare outside of fanfictions

[@samdragonborn5864]

Oh man, I see you haven’t seen the stories with female alphas. Though granted, they are rare

[@TheSpearkan]

I was wondering that for a while, are Alpha women just hyper-hot or are they.... Hyenas?

[@samdragonborn5864]

@@TheSpearkan Depends on the writher. Sometimes they're more masculine in terms of behavior, sometimes they're like hyenas, sometimes they're infertile. They aren't hyper feminine though, or at least I've never seen it

[@Zeverinsen]

Now *THAT* is what I want to see.

[@history_lover63]

I don't know what worried me more: that fact that I was already way too familiar with the omegaverse, solely due to going on archive of our own, or that i wasn't surprised to hear that it started with sam/dean slash fanfiction.....

[@goddammitno_]

im crying so hard

[@MidnightSonnet]

The first omegaverse fic I ever read was on fanfiction.net over 10 years ago. It was a very long, well thought out fic, even though it got harder to get through as time went on due to my growing tokophobia.

[@history_lover63]

@@MidnightSonnet honestly, the weirdest thing about omegaverse is how well written some of it is

[@queenmoreau2098]

I think it's older than that. Wasn't it started in the 90s?

[@lemontales5859]

Same, those poor brothers. Haven't they been through enough?

[@PassTheMarmalade1957]

The continuation of the 'Everything is Better Than 50 Shades' series.

[@tattooofhername7447]

Damn it, where was this video when I was doing my undergrad creative writing dissertation! I did that on pregnancy/birth in the transgender community and how society's changing attitudes to men and pregnancy/birth are reflected in the fiction it creates. Started with Frankenstein - arguably a birth story, since it's about the creation of life and pivotal to showing how the notion of a man creating life was viewed as heretical and unnatural - and went on from there right up to Mpreg fanfiction. I'd love to have cited this video as part of my research.

[@SingingSealRiana]

by that standart, would not god be the first one in his creation of adam?

[@kimberlyporter9555]

I'm hysterical with laughter. I need more straight guy reviewing kinky fandom tropes.

[@vivianmiddlebury434]

It's important to note Mpreg pre-dates ABO pretty significantly (as 12yo me accidentally found out when first delving into HP fanfiction 😳). Omegaverse has definitely expanded to include all genders, from heterosexual relationships that allow writers to play with elements of beastiality without actually having beastiality, to examining complex polyamorous relationships. It also examines the idea of gender roles in society by replacing the idea of "male" and "female" with alpha, beta, and omega. Honestly, ABO is one of the most fascinating subgenres I've found, and you're absolutely right that it trends towards wholesome, if kinky.

[@Zarsla]

My personal fav writer is JD Riley on AO3. I recommend their Victorian Verse, like it's good and it touches on those gender roles as well.

[@SPQRKlio]

Mpreg is at least as old as original-recipe Star Trek (I say as someone who pre-dates HP, but does not pre-date Trek Classic). Mpreg isn’t for me, but I like a lot of fic that definitely isn’t for others.

[@swanpride]

Yeah, first there was Mpreg, then there was the Veela (or creature in general) verse to explain the whole mpreg thing (not so nicely also called "ass babies") and then the Omegaverse developed out of it, I think due to a fusion or inspiration by the Sentinel Fandom with its Sentinel/Guide concept.

[@khadineboyce5986]

I completely agree with you

[@Nehelenia3000]

Yup. Was reading mpreg over 20 years ago, the first abo I’ve ever seen was in Teen Wolf fandom, maybe 5-6 years ago?

[@TheLittleTpot]

Wait, you mean to tell me that Omegaverse is actually popular among actual gay men? ...and here I thought they were predominantly written by women, for some reason.

[@wendevious7809]

Referring to polling on the yaoi subreddit, male or men readers are the consistent majority. Many that read yaoi are also AOB fans. If anyone noticed any inaccuracies, please tell me.

[@Ramsey276one]

YAOI GIRLS I understand that train of thought...

[@BooksToAshes]

Fujoshi is a thing Woman who are interested in BL (boy love). I really enjoy male/male romance (I'm a cis female) but prefer not to fetishize it. I simply enjoy the emotional aspect of relationships regardless of gender and sometimes its nice to see things that aren't hetero.

[@brookecorcuera1995]

I never really knew gay men were the big audience for this either. Personally some good ABO stories appeal to me as a cis woman bc of the sometimes displayed microagressions against those with wombs, for lack of a better way to put it. Some stories touch on how omegas (with their monthly heats) are hormonal and untrustworthy, that things they say abt their bodies cant be taken seriously. Or their anger or feelings are written off as part of their hormones. And then to see stories where these omegas stand up for themselves is nice from a period-having persons perspective. I hope I'm making sense. It's just nice to be able to watch characters I already love (in fanfic) go thru some of the things I've experienced in my life and see them stand up for themselves in a society that sometimes mirrors our own very closely.

[@NoiseDay]

@@brookecorcuera1995 I'm not an omegaverse fan, but I've read a couple that do it wonderfully. They actually tackle the sexism against omegas head-on and examine what it would be like to not only be viewed as a "lesser sex" and treated like a sex toy by society, but also what it would be like to have no control over your body during a "heat cycle." I do view the genre as inherently sexist, though (keep in mind my exposure is entirely through manga, so I don't know what it's like in the fanfic community). I've seen far too many stories where the omegaverse setting is there only to justify rape and it scares me to compare omega men and afabs from the real world. To me, there are three types of omegaverse manga: the kind that delve into the setting in a thought-provoking way, the kind that use it as an excuse for non-consensual smut, and the kind that celebrates mpreg as a pure fluff fairytale.

[@Lordofrye]

You know: the idea of the omegaverse is based on a long outdated and debunked research study. But its not as biologically unfounded as you might think. See, while canines certainly don't do this, birds do. For instance, the common ruff has: a large, territorial & aggressive male variant (~84%, with a dark neck crest), a smaller "satellite" male, (~16% with lighter ruffs), who sneak past and mate under the watch of the territorial males (permitted because they also attract females into the territory), and the occasional "faeder" male (

[@Sapphykins]

That's super interesting, thank you!

[@kenjako]

And here the ✨birdomegaverse✨ is born

[@joyisntfunny]

Why did you have to give them ideas?

[@deadsoon]

@@kenjako i hate you sm 💀

[@RabblesTheBinx]

it's not unheard of, though. I mean, it doesn't work male/male, but female seahorses deposit their unfertilized eggs into the male, which becomes pregnant and actually carries the brood to term.

[@francescapatti2934]

Honestly I can totally get behind a cutesy sweet book that does not deal with too much conflict and just has like banter and a nice wholesome love story. I just kinda don't want to always reed sad, gritty or dark stuff. Its like when you just watch cartoons or shows like H2o, because you're under a lot of stress, it's nice to sometimes just forget the drama!

[@Tayet4Buri]

You know what's really wholesome and sunshine-slapping-in-the-face? The comment section. Largely respectful, interesting, insightful and well written.

[@stellar783]

I hope you have a beautiful day :)

[@herbivorousTombstone]

This is so true! I am amazed! The Dom really has the most beautiful watchers!

[@flankerwagen8595]

“KZbin comment section” and “well-written” cannot exist in the same statement. They resist each others presence like the opposite sides of a magnet.

[@whiskeredwolf4861]

@@flankerwagen8595 sometimes there are exceptions in the universe that resist all of nature's chaos. Dom's channel is one of them.

[@hyperfixationcentral6200]

We are polite here, unless you wrote 50 shades of gray, then we hate you

[@iamtheassassinofjoy]

*Speculating on how a male omega gives birth* Dom: " ... it would be like watching footage of a snake eating a football ... in reverse." *blinks in quiet horror* Me: *dies laughing*

[@ClownDollThatHasContemptForYou]

Oh my sweet lord

[@bartholemeowthefirst]

@Xyre154 Thus why I and many other males get horrified whenever male pregnancy in fiction comes up.

[@madalenabarata5845]

Okay, woman talking here and I probably have no idea how terrifying it is to endanger your balls or to upchuck a baby; but dear lord, has the thought crossed your mind that they might simply cut the baby out? Cesarian births exist and it's always my go-to assumption in every single mpreg story I stumble into when magic/crazy body biology/'it happens' isn't involved.

[@stellar783]

Madalena Barata most omegaverse i’ve read had the births occur naturally (obviously through the same route conception took place, lol) I mean they are practically a different breed of people, surely they have mechanism of giving birth that way. While cesarean is always a possibility, it’s hard to image they’ve been medically and mentally equipped to do it since the beginning of the time.

[@iamtheassassinofjoy]

@@madalenabarata5845 In a lot of male alpha/omega stories, the omega is essentially a hermaphrodite - they have a vaginal opening as well as male genitalia.

[@TheSlipperyNUwUdle]

I always feel heavily uncomfortable when “normal” people find fanfic stuff. 😭 I guess maybe I should be more uncomfortable that someone is exposing us by putting this in the light to “regular” people

[@SingingSealRiana]

it is a culture shock, if one is in the scene one gets desensitised to so much messed up stuff and when normies start talking about it . . . .

[@thatsmyOPINION]

*At the end of the day we somehow always end up with Supernatural*

[@little_ghosty1854]

Who here has also learned about the omegaverse from fanfiction

[@caitlinrobinson6812]

*raises hand*

[@mirjanbouma]

I learned about it through this video.

[@merrittanimation7721]

I heard it from a video about fanfiction.

[@angelabeyer2497]

*raises hand*

[@HollyAnneThePaganChaosWitch]

OH yeah. AO3 is a magical place.

[@Lady_Yunalesca]

As someone who has been reading fanfiction a long time, the concept of mpreg isn't new to me, though it's never something I've personally been into. I wish I'd had a good informative video to watch about it then instead of stumbling across it in fanfic when I was unprepared lol. Really interesting video! As always it's wonderful how respectful you are about things like this. Hope you're doing well!

[@swanpride]

Yeah, same here...I am kind of surprised that this is actually something which made it into real books. I always saw it more as some fantasy mostly female writers like to explore for some strange reason (I suspect partly because they think that a good marriage should have biological children, partly because they actually only write slash because they pair interesting characters with each other and not necessarily for the slash aspect of it), not something someone would seriously put into a book...but then, Twilight is a thing, right.

[@GriffinPilgrim]

There's an mpreg arc in Journey To The West. So the concept is at least that old.

[@pepsimax8078]

I must say I really do love a good mpreg story. Harry Potter getting pregnant after a stupid one night thing with Draco Malfoy. That is a very good saturday night read 😄

[@lenastorm6280]

Same! I realy, realy don't like mpreg stories (because they make no goddamned sense!), but if others like it, that's ok.

[@Ikajo]

I write MCU fanfics with Loki being my fave. And I admit I've made him pregnant quite a few times. To my defense, in Norse mythology Loki gives birth to a freaking _horse_. So it feels at least plausible. Otherwise I can be... torn about mpreg and I do avoid omegaverse stuff. Then again, I don't like bondage or BDSM either so... Honestly, the one type of story I will always despise are those who try to make spanking of children sound cutesy. Like, making that the centre of the plot and stuff like that. It sickens me. Grown adults who are in agreement, fine. Children? Nope.

[@michaelsimmons8613]

"Helpful and supportive daddy doms might help you put together your Grammy winning rockstar lifestyle but only likes and subscribes can help alleviate the KZbin subscription algorithm" how's that?

[@jays8744]

I'm sure that there are gay men that are into this too, but you are severely underestimating the amount of female involvment with this genre. Fanfic, written porn as opposed to visual, focus on relationships(aka more emotional than regular porn), and yes even m/m romance are primarily made and consumed by women. Seeing this verse as coming more from female sexuality as opposed to gay men may some things clearer. Think of how in yaoi the uke is often used as a tool to explore ideas of male aggression and gender roles without there having to be a woman involved. The obvious next step is a way to have this gender role exploration without women on a societal level, and that is where the omega comes in. Obviously there are a whole lot of kinks and other elements mixed in with omegaverse that the author can choose whether or not to incorporate, but that's just one thing to consider.

[@doubledamn2599]

I feel like the 'Daddy PUNCH!' should be a shonen parody attack. The DaddyPUNCH! Combo! MOVE OUT! GET A JOB! FOR GOD'S SAKE GROW UP! Wait, wasn't that in Mob Psycho 100?

[@MrZerothejedi]

Something along those lines? But it happened to his boss, not Mob.

[@amyar123]

Sounds Like something Regan or Saitama would say.....in fact I think they did?

[@Logitah]

*inelegant chortling*

[@marianamora4203]

Yes, yes it was

[@rainyday840]

The way Dom approaches every community he reads about with so much empathy and kindness is what I love about this channel. You can get snide remarks anywhere but he actually checks his privilege regularly, makes sure to address important issues when they come up, and is really nice about all the fanbases he addresses. I'm so grateful that this channel exists and it's really reassuring to see in a world where it seems live everyone is just trying to tear each other down.

[@lemonnomel9416]

I mean the whole point of literature is to understand and evaluate differing ideas and concepts. Take Kate Chopin’s The Awakening for example: a woman in New Orleans abandons her loveless marriage, children and previous sheltered social structure to free herself from a made world around her. Now some people read the book and think the protagonist is an idiot who married the wrong person and then abandoned her children while others might identify with her limited choice and support her. Both interpretations are valid but the important thing is that people read it, understood it and *then* passed judgement. The important thing is that people were able to expand their understandings while reserving their own views or opinions. Thank you for coming to my TED talk

[@chrish3126]

I couldn't agree more. I've found it utterly refreshing to hear a reviewer speak with total acceptance even when he/she/they are not personally interested in the subject matter.

[@alexk7880]

Priviledge only exists in rich VS poor. nothing else

[@rainyday840]

@@alexk7880 Ok, boomer

[@alexk7880]

@@rainyday840 that's pathetically old your beating a dead horse. It's why I find my generation of millenials cringe

[@geektrash180]

Learning that ABO fics came from SPN is like realising your good friend is actually an ages old primordial being.

[@asalem9288]

one thing dominic hasn't talked about is "heat suppressants". in a lot of stories, omegas (and sometimes alphas) take suppressants that hide their secondary gender to others, either because the omegas want to live a life free from the stereotypes, or because they're surrounded by alphas and don't want to "mate" yet. there's a strong case to be made about how that mirrors the irl issues about contraception and access to medical treatment, because sometimes the suppressants are taken quite sneakily, in the hopes of passing off as a beta and avoid unwanted alpha attention (or when it's alphas taking the suppressants, because their "ruts" might make them sexually violent towards anyone standing too close). there's also the fact that in some omegaverse, omegas tend to have "small dicks" + a vagina and uterus, which mirrors transmasculine bodies after the person has taken hormone replacement therapy (in this case, testosterone. it's very interesting in how it allows transmasculine people a chance to see / write their bodies as accepted, and even celebrated and ofc there's the fact that a LOT of the a/b/o fanfics (idk about actual books) are written by women who find that it allows a clever explanation of gender dynamics (is an alpha woman married to a male beta transgressive ? do betas even exist and what gender would they be in our world ? are scent sharing or the other sexually connoted acts a replica of marriage but make it gay and kinky, or fantasies of women wanting to feel empowered by the level of control they can relinquish without it becoming abusive ?) anyways there's a lot that was missing from this video, and i wanted to make sure at least someone could read this and realise that a/b/o is actually a very complex genre lovely video nonetheless, thank you for the absence of shaming

[@katsucandy]

"it would be like watching footage of a snake eating a football....in reverse" Nobody tell Dominic about spotted hyena births oh my g o d

[@trapsaltnburn]

I HAD THAT SAME THOUGHT! "it would be like watching footage of a snake eating a footbal...in reverse." me: Like hyenas!

[@xRAINxOFxBLOODx]

Oh god I forgot about the pseudo penis...

[@salenebrom6476]

LoserKatsu 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@Kobolds_in_a_trenchcoat]

YAY IM NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO KNOWS ABOUT THIS... Oh god, I'm not the only one who knows about this.

[@Alikaoz]

The bloody tearing and the slow way it happens almost always causes the first cub to be stillborn. Funfacts!

[@cb-wi1cq]

honestly as a trans guy the whole male pregnancy fetish has always been hilarious for me. i can't possibly kink shame those adventurous lads when they give me so much joy

[@Solarmyr]

I'm sorry, but you referring to the consumers of this subgenre as "adventurous lads" has tickled me. Bless you sir for your weirdly wholesome contribution to this comment section.

[@parisheidi3119]

I find normal pregnancy disturbing so um males is even worse like it just like aahhhhhhhg I really dislike it all the why like I couldn't be around my sister when she was in her late stage of pregnancy it just idk i ahah hate it

[@theonegoldengryphon]

@@parisheidi3119 Tokophobia squad

[@AudreyKey9653]

7:05 Of course this started with Wincest, how else would this start?

[@Bobbysingeryard]

You’re welcome! Hahaha

[@SilveryBlue1010]

It is? Oh damn.. XD

[@Ryukuro]

Wait, that's where the term "wincest" comes from?

[@AudreyKey9653]

@@Ryukuro Wincest is the term for fanfiction of the show supernatural in which the brothers Sam and Dean Winchester are in a romantic relationship.

[@SuPeRsKiTtLeStAlKeR]

I like to imagine your neighbor minding their own business just to hear "Daddyyy PUNCH".

[@daniellado2523]

Oh a new video is up "sees pregnant dom" okay then

[@AntediluvianRomance]

Dom: I was surprised to find omegaverse had female fans. A rather sheltered person who's seen some anime: Wait, it wasn't a primarily yaoi/slash fangirl thing?!

[@Jacky.c.v]

I feel so CALLED OUT

[@bouddicathesleepinglioness3148]

I mean im into omegaverse and im not a girl granted i am gay.

[@_helvetixa]

Is it bad I thought omega verse was only an anime yaoi thing XD (I don’t really enjoy reading them since they’re usually way too dark and convoluted for me)

[@justanawkwardnerd]

I remember seeing mpreg and passing by it years back when searching for NaruHina/SasuSaku fanfiction, next thing I know, this thing called "omegaverse/a/b/o" started popping up. I totally that it was a Fujoshi thing, but it likely started that way. I was never sure how much of the LGBTQ+ community had a hand in slash fiction until the recent years, having initially understood it as a bit of a fetishizing obsession from female fans. My first interactions were with more rabid fans, and it turned me away from slash fiction for several years.

[@metallicmikus]

As a bi trans dude, both make me uncomfortable. Probably because of the fact that most of them are written by straight women and often have a super heteronormative relationship. One man being super masculine and one being super feminine. Not saying those relationships don’t exist, but it’s often what we see.

[@rosalindalaboy7111]

Everytime I think “nah I’m not interested in this genre/book, I’ll skip this ep” two hours later I’ll watch the vid, enjoy it immensely, and feel like a fool. Anyway all hail the algorithm

[@paulgarci5269]

When I stumbled upon the ABO sub-genre years ago I thought it was an expansion to a ring of Hell... A society where you are literally defined by your biology sounds like some sort of cosmic punishment. After talking to some people who write these sorts of stories, I think I get why they write and read it.

[@BJGvideos]

Isn't that most societies though? Especially the really sexist and/or transphobic ones.

[@hellogoditsmesara3569]

You forgot the rarer cases where male omegas (and when the dynamic includes both sexes, female alphas) are intersex, cutting the confusion of where the baby comes from

[@LittleDogTobi]

Right, thats what im most used to seeing in fics: intersex alpha women and omega men. I get the sense that original ABO fiction has its own trends haha

[@gibsonn2018]

I personally prefer intersex male omegas because that just makes more anatomical sense for childbirth. Female alphas though, I’m not sure where I stand

[@alexemy2463]

“Oh, so it’s not always necessarily just about romanticising and/or fetishising sexual assault.” She said, casually throwing away a large rock.

[@nerdywolverine8640]

Yeah most fics I've read have taken consent really seriously

[@alexemy2463]

Nerdy Wolverine really? Where? I haven’t even heard of any that take it remotely serious before this video

[@nerdywolverine8640]

@@alexemy2463 in the HP fandom. Plus a few other fics I found on Ao3 from other fandoms

[@nerdywolverine8640]

Granted there are still some shitty ones but I havent come across that many

[@werelemur1138]

@@nerdywolverine8640 Admittedly I've been exposed to a small sample, but that sample (so much "couldn't help himself," so little consent) was enough to make me nope away from the genre altogether.

[@Everyyoueverymiau]

The first book sounds so nice for a change. I loved your description of the saccharine nature of the book 😆

[@darkphoenix9812]

There actually are quite a few stories with women involved, resulting in both F/M and F/F pairings, where women are also Alpha, Beta, or Omega. I haven’t seen many actual print ABO books like that, but there are quite a few fanfics that I’ve read where, for example, women who are alphas can both get pregnant (though the pregnancies tend to be more risky/difficult) and get another individual pregnant.

[@gingerstorm101]

THIS STARTED OUT AS SUPERNATURAL FANFICTION???? And the continued joke of “Daddy Punch!” 🤣

[@Nehelenia3000]

I always blamed Teen Wolf.

[@monikakavaliunaite8017]

@@Nehelenia3000 yeah I assumed that it had something to do with werewolf fiction

[@AngelicOblivion90]

@@Nehelenia3000 looks like only Teen wolf made it popular, but yeah, it looks like it started with supernatural fan fiction. I used to think it was a fujioshi thing since my first encounter with it was in BL manga years ago. I didn't even know it had it's start as a setting for western tv show fanfiction.

[@flowery3693]

I know it was popular in the Star Trek TNG community for some reason. But Supernatural is where it took off I guess

[@katherinemorelle7115]

Supernatural has a lot to answer for, I guess (like, so much wing kink. Just so much). That being said, my favourite ABO story is actually a SPN fanfic -A Hole In The World, highly recommend. Very long read, extremely well written characters, hugely interesting storyline that revolves around civil rights. Also includes female alphas. So... not really sorry about where it started. That being said, I haven’t found any other ABO stories of the same quality as the one I mentioned. Rare as hens teeth apparently- maybe because it’s a kink/fetish thing in most fics? And that’s just not for me- I want plotty novels.

[@nohaijiachii]

I've been a fanfiction writer/reader for more than a decade so, needless to say, I was already familiar with the concept of ABO... But I had *absolutely no idea* it was actually something that managed to take off and become a niche of original works, and it kinda blew my mind lol Not much to add, just... Very nice job. The fact that you've taken onto the topic with no prejudice and, not only that, but actively asked people NOT to be assholes about it it's pretty damn amazing. You're good egg.

[@salenebrom6476]

Noha Ijiachi 👏🏻

[@nohaijiachii]

@@salenebrom6476 : DDDD

[@deathsecretary2055]

I was shook the first time I saw an original web comic set in omega verse.

[@ajaxmaye2520]

Dom: can we keep the kinkshaming to a minimum? Me: unfortunately for you, *KINKSHAMING IS MY KINK!*

[@cleothehermetichermeticist8391]

*eyes dart around in shock before screaming in horror*

[@iantaakalla8180]

When your relationship is so good you can kinkshame your partner because you know that is what turns them on, but with consent obviously.

[@ArthurKnowledge]

Dom, in the wake of recent discussion of this cropping up again I rewatched your video and...I want to cry with how validated and heard you've made me feel in the aftermath. Your respectful approach and firm request to shut down kinkshaming made both me and many people very important to me feel legitimate in both recent hurt and someone outside understanding what it's like to be less vanilla than others and how we can feel to be judged and the butt of joke. When quarantine ends I could hug you if I ever see you.

[@EmB856]

I think it's a missed opportunity to not talk about females in A/B/O. There are some excellent stories out there, and female alphas are a really interesting part of it as well as the alpha/alpha or omega/omega stories. One of the most memorable stories I've ever read was a male alpha/female alpha story where a male omega friend acted as their beard.

[@Zarsla]

Yup, my personal fav writer is JD Riley on AO3, crosses all genders(M/M, M/F, F/F).

[@Claire18Hi]

BEARD??

[@EmB856]

@@Claire18Hi A beard like when women act like "beards" to gay men a.k.a. as a fake girlfriend to make them pass as straight when it's not safe for some reason to be "out".

[@Sealinkchin]

There are some for A!M/A!M with the O!M beard as well.

[@Call-me-Al]

Could I have the other author/fic names mentioned in here too? Sounds really fascinating

[@nbucwa6621]

Dominic: And we have to deduce that the baby exits from the *rsehole because. . .otherwise the alternative is. . . Me: Allow me introduce you to the anatomy of the female hyena, sir.

[@wochenente6977]

I got curious and did a quick google search on hyena genitalia and now...I'm a changed person, let's go with that. Man, nature is weird...fascinating, but weird sometimes

[@who_the_fuck_is_riley5813]

Fucking Christ I was not prepared to see that

[@officert5147]

Dude I just went down a 40 minute rabbit hole and there is so much weird f*ckery that I am Now Aware Of Also thank you for the hyena info, that is the strangest thing I've learned all year and I will never be the same

[@otakuofmine]

I guess it would be essentially like a monotrem animal (like platypus) works.

[@tiacat11]

You bastard, I have no choice but to google this now

[@JeonJungkook-de1hr]

i like how he completely respects the fanbase and doesn't make it seem ridiculous. Thanks, I really enjoyed watching :)

[@shadowheartart3898]

"Running shoes and fresh air will never cure a depression" THANK YOU! I don't much appreciate being close to bawling my eyes out - but it does perfectly illustrate just how rare it is to have someone say something like this

[@queen-monarch]

A lot of the omega verse fanfics I’ve read actually do go into the issues with consent during heats. Most often, the omega main character is a victim of sexual assault or an attempted sexual assault coming from one or more times they were heat and were taken advantage of by an alpha. It usually leads to being either unsure of alphas, or a straight up hatred or fear. I’m not sure if non fanfic literature goes into that, but it’s definitely addressed.

[@DanSmith-ew9ul]

It’s kind of sad because most of the ones I see that address it end up putting the omega into the same situation again except the alpha actually truly “loves” him, which makes it fine. Some don’t though and those ones are heaven sent I swear

[@AuroraLalune]

@@DanSmith-ew9ul Yep. This is a problem.

[@nerdywolverine8640]

That was my favorite thing about some of the first ABO fics I read, was how seriously they handled consent. Some didn't have any sexual assault at all and still explored consent in relation to their biology and that was really satisfying to read about.

[@simonecutie6230]

Dani Smith yeah I have read a looooooooooot of that... it kinda ruined the whole genre for me since it happened a quite disturbing amount...

[@LadySunami]

Yeah, that's always super uncomfortable. I prefer when they scrap the tragic victim angle and make it more an investigation of social norms. The A/B/O stories I've enjoyed in the past generally treat heats as really annoying but ultimately manageable without a mate (it just sucks being feverish and horny you know?) and treat alphas who claim they can't help themselves with the same disdain decent people have for real life men who claim a woman's clothes mean she's "asking for it." In other words, the narrative does include the more skeevy aspects of A/B/O stories, but makes it clear they don't reflect reality so much as they are a culturally accepted fiction, and our beloved romance protagonists are smart enough to figure out what society told them was hogwash. I really like this aspect a lot, perhaps because it lets the ideas of social narratives vs. reality be explored without the discomfort of being reminded of social narratives that actually affect me personally as a woman.

[@MissKellyBean]

"This genre started out in fan-fiction." *SKOCKER!*

[@29jgirl92]

I love that you always give these sub cultures a real fair go. So many youtubers like to seek these out just to ridicule them, but you always point out the good and the bad, and actually seem to put real effort in!

[@Iominia]

My friend reccomended me an Omegaverse Yaoi once. I had no idea what Omegaverse meant, and the only thing even close to yaoi I'd ever seen was Yuri on Ice. ...I still have nightmares to this day.

[@Zarsla]

Omegaverse also touches Male/Female & Female/Female relationships not just Males. My personal recommendation: archiveofourown.org/series/695802 Pretty much every pairing you can think of.

[@RenaDeles]

And female/female, but that's in the far far minority

[@Zarsla]

@@RenaDeles I know, I thought put both in their. My personal recommend this series: archiveofourown.org/series/695802 Historically fiction+Every pairing you can think of.

[@Code4rina]

I actually only knew Male/Female stories and didn't know that these stories originated from the mpreg genre.

[@LadyLocket]

For anyone wanting a recommendation, a prolific fanfiction writer of A/B/O for female to female pairings is Rae D Magdon. She tends to write in gameing worlds like Dragon quest or Mass effect etc, but she's a good storyteller. Her published books are ok too they are based on alternative fairy tales.

[@verybarebones]

Extremely rarely though

[@kira-minoo]

"you and me against the world" is a pretty common theme in lgbt media and on social media

[@emmettjay1302]

Thanks so much for such a balanced introduction to the genre! I don't even watch your vids because of the topic anymore, I always leave your vids grateful for having listened to you.

[@lydiawidell7792]

I have a lot of respect for how you handle this type of material. The focus on consent, normalization and acceptance... basically just taking it seriously. Its great.

[@sinclairethomas8197]

It sounds like it would be very relaxing to be a woman in this universe.

[@glitteree]

ikr? the aggressive guys leave you alone, if you want a man you can get yourself a beta and theres plenty of omega/alpha drama around you to keep you entertained. sounds great

[@liizzset]

Nah. Not all the time. Yes, I might bore you here. Most of the times it is easy. And outing myself here. Read a lot of A/B/O mangas over the years. There are a few with this problematic mentions. Sometimes they have to fight for the alpha/beta male's affections. And then come off as a needy person. Or they could come off as the bitchy ex-girlfriend which loves or loved the A/B/O Male. Or the supportive character which watches the love of her life or who she claims A/B/O is the love of her life goes towards the alpha male. Yes, the alpha pairs up with alphas too. Bitchy too as she stopped either one to become the other's life partner. Or they are the aggressor when comes to protect the alpha/beta/omega male from other women. Again only reading from the mangas so they might be too overdramatic.

[@Lithiel]

Unless you are an Omega female. 🤣

[@fat6776]

Praise polyamoroury?

[@Sina-aka-potatosupreme]

@sinclaire Thomas In some verses females exist in all „groups“ though Alpha women also have some sort of penis and can’t get pregnant. You can make your own rules in these dynamics. ABO is What you want it to be.

[@johncarter7264]

"Snake eating a football in reverse..." I will never be able to get this out of my brain....why have you done this?

[@kiram.3619]

Great, now I've not only heard it but gotten the immage backt though your comment. Come and suffer the same fate again! Be summoned by my answer and relive your thoughts! Suffer reading your own comment, Muhahahaha!!

[@maximsavage]

When he said that I legit burst out laughing. When I imagined it, along with seeing Dom's expression, I laughed even harder.

[@meghanhenderson6682]

Like hyenas giving birth, in other words.

[@spookyrosev6467]

Not gonna lie when I first heard the term (during a search of...ahem “stress relief”) I got vaguely scared due to how the connotations “alphas, betas, and omegas” have on the Internet so imagine my relief when I was like whew oh thank god it’s just porn, what a relief!

[@cherrysalsa]

finding out abo exists outside of fanfic was genuinely upsetting for a hot minute

[@thekarategirl5787]

I read a story that explored the consent issues - the main omega had been assaulted as a teen and was disturbed by their heats and the effect it had. The main alpha befriends him, helps him with his heats (making sure he eats and sleeps and distracts the omega from the omega's arousal).

[@xRAINxOFxBLOODx]

That's... actually pretty sweet.

[@katherinemorelle7115]

I’ve read a couple of those. It really goes out of its way to show that just because an Omega is in heat, doesn’t mean any Aloha immediately loses control. It might require a bit of will, but there’s just no excuse for ignoring consent. I like those ones.

[@Lithiel]

Rape is a 100% turn off for me so finding those is like a needle in a haystack sometimes but HO BOI do I appreciate that GOLDEN needle!

[@pyroshayniac1090]

The thought of people romanticizing basic acceptance in the world makes me so sad. We need to do better.

[@katherinemorelle7115]

A lot of the ABOs I read have an underlying civil rights theme (and sometimes not so underlying). There are connections through metaphor to women’s rights, queer rights, and black civil rights.

[@EhDemeter]

This is why I adore you so much. I love how you provided such a wonderfully informative video on this subject. I’ve never heard of this genre, and I found your reviews respectful and kind. Thank you for all that you do, Dominic. ❤️❤️ love supporting you.

[@2Ten1Ryu]

Leaving a comment to help you out on KZbin: I don't know what else to say about this other than: It's nice to see that something kinky and yet wholesome exists and people are able to enjoy it. I also it's awesome of you to explore this kind of content. Keep the good work up :)