Infinity Ward Developers Admit the Maps in MW2 Are Made for Casuals

[@genis_menace]

Lemme catch my son developing trash maps

[@98leight]

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[@homiespaghetti1522]

Fr fr

[@dashx1]

Nah💀 he better be working for treyarch

[@limit504.]

What are you going to do about that?

[@creatorF0UR73EN]

lol u beat him with the flip flop because the maps suck.

[@remivicious]

BO2 was spot on and all maps had good hardpoints and felt like it was hardpoint focused

[@Dan01-01]

There will most likely never be another cod like bo2. The best cod ever imo

[@ghostlegit]

Black ops 2 was damn good but let's not pretend they had a bunch of God tier maps. I feel black ops 1 had better maps than its sequel

[@XKS_]

@@Dan01-01 smacking sweaties was always fun to watch

[@11910blackops]

​@@ghostlegitAgreed BO1 easily had the better maps.

[@budgetking2591]

@@Dan01-01 Yeah, even the first bo was much better then the recent cod's, i also loved bo and bo2. the shotguns were beast too.

[@Hubris1998]

They say they don't want every map to cater to sweats, but that's just a cop-out. Border crossing is not noob friendly or alternative; it's an awful experience for everyone, irrespective of skill level.

[@MasterPeaceTrueGlue-EatingKing]

That map was made for people stuck in traffic jams.

[@smashvidal4459]

I leave every single time I queue into that map

[@Dillman2001]

Irrespective is a great word choice dude. Never heard it before now lol

[@Hubris1998]

@@Dillman2001 It's the same as "regardless", except it rules out the possibility that the thing you're ignoring could've been worth considering. People often confuse the two and end up saying "irregardless" 😂

[@Dillman2001]

@@Hubris1998 lol. just never heard it before

[@rhatala27]

They're not made for casuals, they're made for straight up bad players.

[@serenity57957]

I agree. It's almost like the game was designed to milk people who were bad at WZ1 for money.

[@Dan01-01]

The introduction of doors literally every every meter Whoever takes the initiative of opening a door dies Older cods had no doors to promote fair play, recent cods are fucking dogshit

[@synphysis]

@HPLovecraftsCat u living under Patrick's rock homie

[@XxSwagGamersxX]

They are not made for bad players they are made for ass players

[@calebevans7408]

​@HPLovecraftsCat gaming is bigger than ever! Which means it has to appeal to more people...which yeah kinda makes gaming dead in a way.

[@WheyofTheDragon]

Considering the amount of angles anyone can get shot from and the fact of checking every single corner to avoid death... I figured..

[@schroederluck7984]

Compare Scump’s videos pub stomping in blops2 vs now. He was more or less carefree in blops2 and just moved around the map winning every gunfight. Now, he’s pre-aiming literally everything, jumping around corners, checking every angle etc. There’s too many lines of sight and too little flow. And honestly, playing like that is exhausting. The game psychologically tries to force you to play like a casual in order to not lose your mind and give your thumbs early onset arthritis.

[@Saltiumine]

To better exaplain your point. The maps in BO2 were designed in a way to keep the players out in the open with minimal OP camp spots that were easy to counter. It's why players like the worm who found OP camp metas gained popularity, otherwise he would be hated like the newest mw2 campers. Even buildings and interiors were fairly open and most importantly well lit, so running into a room would be very easy to spot a camper. Mw2 (warzone) with it's "realism" unknowingly (?) caters to campers with sharp small and dark interiors literally where irl rats take cover. Thank god for drill charges where it feels like pouring water down a moles hole to force it out.

[@supersquat]

This has more to do with sbmm than map design

[@jkthegreat5687]

@@supersquat nah

[@skinnytimmy1]

Back in old cods, most of my deaths were from losing gunfights. Now, most of them are just from looking the wrong way.

[@russellwestbrook462]

@@supersquatnah a lot to do with map design

[@davidmitchell621]

Last I checked, casuals want fast action paced maps. Hence why the smallest maps are usually the most popular maps among casuals. Shipment, Nuketown, Das Haus, Shoot House, Rust are some of the more recent examples. The developers even know this given the frequency of small map playlists

[@J0J0DB8]

Exactly people like to get kills not run for 30% of the time and then die, shipment is fun but once people get kill streaks it becomes a bit of a headache

[@davidmitchell621]

@@J0J0DB8 Cold blooded classes at least help with VTOLs. The chopper gunners are obnoxious and usually result in leaving the game

[@hoherhatchi]

At this point is someone even surprised?

[@DisobeyZOG]

I’m not surprised. The devs cater for casuals and rich people

[@SWOL]

Where the hell did dropzone go?? We had it for half a season

[@yosiahw4305]

When I was a kid during WaW-MW3 I never had the patience to play SND, so I always played TDM, domination, demolition, HQ, kill confirmed, infected and gun game. Only as an adult did I realize that SND is top tier and always has been.

[@mars8254]

Damn hearing themm say they make the maps for TDM is insane.Maps are terrible for TDM. Infinity ward maps only work in hardpoint, snd and control

[@bradenmchenry995]

Tdm is the mode that 80% of the player base exclusively play

[@Lazyfoal]

Mw2 maps are not good for snd

[@Fraudkuna9]

They aren’t even that good for the other kids either tbh

[@NotThatGuyPal.]

@@bradenmchenry995tdm is trash and for scrubs

[@KiddBuu_]

Only a few of the maps are even good for SnD. However, most the maps have a problem where one bomb site feels a lot more viable than the other in terms of defending.

[@Darkstar-ng5rm]

Bruh all the Eugenes got jobs at Activision and are taking revenge on us 😂

[@fuzzynuttz5092]

I'm pretty sure they don't have to do that and make maps that cater to both casuals and hardcore fans, games like MW2 and BO2 come to mind when talking about these types of maps

[@blackonbothsides2882]

yes they do have to do it u forget, bad players spend more $... its all about profit and sucking the last dime out of the playerbase

[@blackonbothsides2882]

@@ErinRSU 🤣🤣 they don't know the def of insanity

[@itzkiblo]

Listening to them you'd think they are putting in the max amount of effort into their maps and games in general yet when you play the games you find the maps getting worse and worse and the movement becoming slower and slower making the games last longer and become boring. Who do they have testing their games to decide these are the best options? Theyre either really stupid when it comes to what ppl think of their games or they love blowing smoke out of their ass as if we cant tell theyre lying.

[@nepatrock]

Whoever play tests these maps must be trash

[@hugharrdum889]

Whole ass game was made for .2KD Timmies. No movement, clunky ass animations, fast ttk.

[@rmw9420]

everything feels stiff in the mf game. like the shits are made of ply wood

[@fat8597]

Surely, we get a series of ranked like the BO2 days, road to top 250, or something along them lines.

[@bil6729]

I remember when mw2 trailer came out everyone was saying its going to be the best cod. Theyll do the same this year and get everyone excited the cod community is stupid

[@MasterClapYourCheeks117]

That's putting it lightly

[@helpkirbyhasagun_2047]

These maps do not feel casual friendly, they feel sweatlord and camper centered BRING BACK 3 LANE SIMPLE MAPS ACTIVISION

[@rmw9420]

i wouldn't go as far as to say that. if we had a more classic movement system like in cold war for sure but the adv movement would mess with the flow of some of those OG 3 lane maps.

[@helpkirbyhasagun_2047]

@@rmw9420 That’s fair but tbh, there’s a huge charm is the classic movement, I feel like cod flows better when the movement is limited Each shooter needs their own identify, and cods was always the simple arcade shooter, now it’s trying to turn into tarkov or pubg movement combined with R6 and overwatch styled dlc/packs

[@JohnSmith-ti9uq]

They are casual friendly because they are designed for chaos. Three lane maps make for predictable battles which rewards pure gun skill. Modern COD maps are chaotic and unpredictable so they often times reward campers or lucky kills.

[@carsonhunt4642]

@@helpkirbyhasagun_2047 Speaking to deaf ears buddy. Halo died after they changed the movement up to make it modern… these companies never learn.

[@fasoooli2751]

3 lane map is objectively good for 6v6 each lane can have 2 players from both sides to ensure a good gameplay flow you want more lanes? increase the player number above 6v6 simple as that

[@Napzie]

You know what actual maps were made for casuals? MW3 Dome MW3 Terminal Bo2 Raid Nuketown Maps these days are made for the slowest students in SPED

[@GloomToon]

Atleast those maps were good though and didn’t have a million angles to die from

[@MirruArcade]

????

[@JpDaKing]

Those maps were good tho what you on?

[@Napzie]

@@JpDaKing I dont get it that's literally what I'm trying to imply. What IW think casuals want isn't actually correct

[@iZaners]

@@Napzie Raid is one of the best competitive call of duty maps ever made. Side note, terminal came out in MW2, not 3

[@eternalgamers10]

As a 10+ year old COD player, no shit the maps were made for casuals, lol. Anybody with a brain and 1 working eyeball would figure that one out. These new gen of devs ain't it. IW and SHG need to clear house top to bottom. It's funny on how treyarch comes in like superman and save their game, time and time again, but they still manage to F it up, lol.

[@trentkraemer7109]

Wow it’s almost like they did and said the same with with MW… why act surprised

[@tasha4400]

MW maps are completely different and almost all of them are three lane, linear maps

[@austinidkneededtomakeanewa6303]

@@tasha4400 that’s cap a lot of them were like 4 lanes and up.

[@JohnSmith-ti9uq]

@@tasha4400 Take off those rose tinted pandemic glasses. MW19 was just as trash as MW22

[@tasha4400]

@@JohnSmith-ti9uq rose tinted?? Nah I had a life during 2020 lol. I did play it a lil but not as much as 2021 and 2022. If the game was trash, that many people would not have played it. There were plenty of games to play that were available during that time. People obviously liked it if they played it

[@tasha4400]

@@austinidkneededtomakeanewa6303 please tell me which maps had 4 lanes. I will log onto this game rn and name each one that we’re three lanes

[@DirdyJoker]

You made a lot of good points Birdman. I agree Blops2 had THE best map pool for competitive play. Nice comeback on that gameplay too. It was lookin bleak in the beginning.

[@rmw9420]

guys, what happened to map voting? why do we not have a choice as to what map we can play?

[@TheBossMan2407]

Because lobbies disbanding because SBMM

[@SychicGamer]

the fact that they said they focus on SnD when designing maps has to be a lie. SnD on the maps this year is TERRIBLE

[@gobster3126]

I don't know why this is surprising. Cod has always been made for casuals. I'm not entirely sure but I think Cod is the only major game that bans equipment because of how unbalanced it is. Casuals use to just have to get shit on until they didn't anymore same thing as the older sibling destroying their younger sibling until they got good. But now developers are coddling and sheltering casuals with poor map and game design and as a result the entire game suffers.

[@huevote9474]

yup and people will still defend sbmm in quick play.

[@ZJrdnZ]

@@huevote9474bad players dont understand it and if they do they are just happy that good players get punished for being good at video games

[@austinidkneededtomakeanewa6303]

@@ZJrdnZ it’s the same thing with rich people if no matter how you get it people will complain and anything that happens bad to them is celebrated because they don’t work hard or do anything other people did to either get better or get rich.

[@carsonhunt4642]

@@ZJrdnZbad players actually like sbmm. U guys just gotta look at it from a maximizing profit perspective and it makes sense why cod is the way it is now.

[@Drawsome_209]

Infinity Ward should also admit they can't make maps

[@wizdom224]

it doesn't personally come as a surprise that a big company only cares about making money. however it might come as a surprise to the call of duty community considering their record of buying a game they don't like year after year

[@lordlightskin4200]

Casuals don’t even like these maps lmfaoo

[@jaydergator5810]

I don’t get it, they say they target casuals, but both casual and experienced players are quitting. Who are they actually targeting?

[@XdarkendGOSPLE]

Idiots who spend 20 bucks on dumb skins and camos which then puts you in easy lobbies or your damage out put somehow doubles.

[@jaweel6205]

@@XdarkendGOSPLE I agreed with the first half of your comment until the tinfoil hat came out.

[@XdarkendGOSPLE]

@@jaweel6205 bro there’s patents for this thing there’s SBMM and EOMM (engagement optimized matchmaking) you can literally look it up again patented by ACTIVISION. there’s no money is only selling your game once.. why not use a gambling system sell you half the game and give you a few wins and loses too keep you engaged with the game. Literally manipulates you game play as you play. Google it.

[@Chreoh]

Stop buying/playing COD until they release MW2 remastered multiplayer, or a remaster of a different golden era COD.

[@X02Overdose]

Their made for BAD players, not casuals. Most of the community are casual players and we hate the majority of the maps lol

[@ChrisFromFloriduh]

This game just blows. First COD I ever uninstalled.

[@ArteriusSaren]

Can't wait for the next mastery camo including longshots again with zero to none maps to get those longshots.

[@thomasmcmillan8111]

Why not just go back to the three lane split what’s so hard bout it that

[@Attonitus]

Pretty sure that's more of a treyarch thing but IW did adapt that with a map like shoot house so I guess it's just bad map designers

[@shaufandavis]

⁠@@Attonitus how can you say the people that created the three lane split maps are bad map designers when out of it came alot of amazing casual and competitive maps, some considered to be the best maps in the cod franchise?

[@Attonitus]

@@shaufandavis you misinterpreted what I said, me saying "it's just bad map designers" is in reference to mw2 maps not the three lane design

[@shaufandavis]

@@Attonitus fair enough

[@randomchannel323]

Companies spend more time damage controlling the bad decisions that they want rather than making good decisions

[@masstercz6138]

Back in Black Ops 1 they used to cut the maps for smaller modes like gun game and one in the chamber.

[@JohnSmith-ti9uq]

MW2019 is when they stopped trying to make good maps and decided to focus more on making maps that are chaotic. Chaos=Noob gets lucky kills. It also makes the games feel worse but we all know they only care about milking casuals these days. Basically the FPS industry has been taken over by noob devs and greedy suits.

[@venxamalu]

casual maps dont feel casual, give us maps like summit

[@Standardman9887]

It’s fine to cut out maps from warzone if they work. But clearly these dudes are under pressure to make multiplayer and warzone so they make warzone, then take free maps from it, then make a couple special maps so it doesn’t all seem copied then call it good.

[@Drip404]

Imagine prioritizing people who barely play or care about the game.

[@kill3rs529]

I dont understand why they called it mw2 it has noje of the dna of the og

[@blingoblangotango7859]

Forgot if he mentioned but al bagra is literally the worst for domination as well like if you spawn at C good luck getting out of the spawn trap if you can’t push to A or hold B it’s absolutely ridiculous

[@floowzer7067]

just stop playing the game, i havent touch a call of duty since black ops 4

[@chicken10d5]

Ever time I hear a watch a Bitdman video about the Cod and the developers I draw 1 conclusion imagine how good Cod would be if the Splatoon developers made it

[@theGreatApe1999]

I swear Birdman made this same video about mw2019

[@looinrims]

Reminds me about a month after apex legends dropped, the devs at Respawn Entertainment made a video doing a snippet history of developing all the (launch) characters, and they literally said ‘We made Bangalore for newer weaker players’ and it made me laugh every time i saw a LFG post where they always had the two bitch characters ‘taken’

[@TheRayExperience]

Geoff Smith should know better being a infinity ward veteran.

[@tkschrome487]

Wow. Birdman is hella in tune with the competitive/ ranked community. Need dude on my team

[@MigySaan]

Bro is a cod athlete

[@imunmire]

Bro was the BO2 goat back n the day smacking btch nggas up in smacking sweeties series

[@tkschrome487]

@@MigySaan Ik he says that shit but I didn’t know he’s just like me and the boys studying cdl matches and tryharding ranked

[@MigySaan]

@@tkschrome487 😂😂

[@stealthiscool]

This is nothing new, they said the same about the cluttered maps in Mw2019 with their safe spaces. The reality of the situation is these games are no longer made for long time fans of the series and are made to cater to the new age Fortnite crowd who came into gaming the past 5 years.

[@twinrelly]

woke up to a banger birdman video day is made

[@TrashComment]

When they said camping is a strategy in mw2019, they already told me their intentions.

[@IamKryptonite]

Pros have been brought in many times before and it's always the same. Give their opinion, nothing changes for the better. Aches for example said this once. It's usually not the actual devs who don't want to receive and implement criticism, that blame belongs to the higher ups. It's all about money. Yeah CDL makes money but barely. Casuals are and will probably be the wave for a long time. Sucks but that's the way it is.

[@supersquat]

4:02 you dont spawn at the C flag though... You spawn at the right of the map same distance as the other team spawns from the B flag.

[@melonhd123]

Why wouldn't they make the maps for the 3 most popular game modes? Also TDM does not work on any map if you understand level design

[@rashedyadig]

Then developers don't understand it, considering this new phenomenon the last couple of games where the time limit is reached so much more often then it used it in modes like TDM and FFA.

[@samexoldx]

Infinity Ward really be hiring anyone that wants to work there regardless if they actually know what they're doing. No wonder their games have been terrible since 2011. Can't wait to see what Vince Zampella does with Battlefield.

[@glock-kay]

They need to focus on not stealing from others and not prioritising stupid micro transactions.

[@Pack52022]

Modern warfare: *Safespaces, we want a safe space for players in a VIDEO GAME* Modern warfare 2022: *We want casuals to enjoy the maps, having a million lanes they could camp we are so proud of what we did.*

[@zekraax35]

making maps for casuals isn’t the issue, not everyone is playing to necessarily win all the time so whatever. it’s when you make maps for casuals who also play in the most boring and slow play style for a mobile, always 100% accurate shooter. edit: what i mean by mobile and 100% accurate is to contrast it with games like valorant and csgo where moving decreases accuracy and instead of recoil there are spray patterns.

[@theguy4310]

Call of Duty has always been the most casual shooter, so why is it bad that the maps were designed for casuals?

[@bdf2660]

4:20 Jesus, rotational AA is appalling, that's why lobbies feel like sweat fests 24/7 even shitters get that inhuman reaction

[@brandona2491]

If you can’t train yourself to check corners, and combine the audio to catch those casuals that sprint every corner with no plan- that’s on you imo.

[@josephtucker7181]

I know that's a lie the winter map has a and b flag right beside each other on dom and c flag is way the off in the corner.

[@gregfeelynegsyourfavoriteverse]

Damn early asf to a Birdman video.

[@MazeMaker4Life]

(TL;DR if it ain't broke, don't fxcking fix it) Of course it was made for casual players. Everything in the game is. The Camo grind, the maps, sbmm, how fast the ttk is, dead silence, footsteps. All that mess is for casuals. Casual players don't care about their performance, and once they do care about their performance - they're already committed enough to stick around if the game is good enough. That's how so many people grew up and stuck with the franchise for so long. If it isn't broke - don't fxcking fix it.

[@ricolives1166]

Kinda glad I didn't buy MW2. This one atleast.

[@vlydenknox]

I disagree with the take of the B flag being misplaced in Expo. The route from each spawn to B is similarly timed and plays well.

[@frankty800]

Made to make the matches campy and long... Why? Player retention.... Cod is the only game that i would smile and even laugh when it collapses.

[@theitechlab]

Gee, no wonder I hate these maps so much. The maps are made for people that have never played a COD game and actually tried to get better before. It gets so tiring to constantly check angles, doors, rooms, etc. on every map for every engagement. Really the best way to play these maps is to pre-aim always, move slowly, bhop corners, and then pitch a tent when you get to a decent spot. I can't get into this MP like I could with older CODs.

[@TheZodiacRipper]

Did the One in the chamber mode dissapear or am I blind?

[@Ahhkiba]

Lemme catch my son making mid maps

[@DimaEgorovRU]

Sad reality is MW2 didn’t live up to its hype as much as MW 2019 did. It seem dumbed down and rushed

[@ghostlegit]

Mw 2019 was garbage.

[@DisobeyZOG]

Anything after cod ghosts is garbage

[@danielbel67]

Nostalgia bro, MW19 didnt get better until the last few months of its cycle, and it seems MW2 is going the same way, they're slowly adding in more content now

[@DisobeyZOG]

@@danielbel67 who would get mw2 2009 nostalgia over mw2022? They’re nothing a like.

[@danielbel67]

@@DisobeyZOG please learn to read Eugene

[@Kikester]

This is why IW has been making shit maps since ghosts. They didn’t learn in both 2013 or 2019. That’s why Treyarch is superior in making good games & hood maps.

[@merchant_of_kek5697]

Can’t wait until they develop a dlc progression system, battlepass level ups, and a new type of match making that will balance out how good you are doing so you are constantly edged. Surely gamers wouldn’t let themselves be edged constantly for overpriced games.

[@zachdproductions123]

Modern COD games just make me mad. We are far past the golden age of COD.

[@Luthoran]

They dont understand casuals like good maps too

[@Rupieee]

Why does hardpoint always have to get spit on?

[@ACE112ACE112]

can you link the full interview?

[@CHONKU5]

You’re setting yourself up for disappointment if you expect anything competitive In most casual shooter game in world.

[@karstonfox]

Talk about the faze drama

[@Udon_Noodle]

As far as pure map design; nothing comes close to BO1. EVERY map was good; even the bad ones like Havana was a blast to play on

[@boblawblaw6185]

They got the data from the pro players. They always brag about how strong their data collection is , it tracks all guns you use the guns you don't use the paths you take. So they damn well know which bombsites are being used the most on each map and they just aren't doing shit about it because it would force them to admit , they don't know how to make maps. Its why they got a bunch of cheaters runniing around in MP ranked and Warzone ranked, literally the top 250 Warzone probably got the most amount of streamers with hours of sus footage at this point from verdansk to now, but the devs won't do shit about it because it will force them to admit they are incompetent in finding and dealing with cheaters, if infact some of these highly visible players actually turn out to be cheating .

[@545x39Rat]

I wish they would just add Verdansk back 😔

[@nathanlima1535]

Octane already said pros really dont have a say on how the game should flow/play💀💀💀

[@ceufrscio707]

Devils advocate: isn't cod made for Casual multiplayer

[@venommagnus]

COD is purposely designed so that *anyone* can pick it up and play it, this also includes veteran players. Leaving them out in favor of hand holding noobs and new players rather than letting them naturally improve is a terrible design philosophy that should have never made it past testing.

[@ceufrscio707]

@@venommagnus devils advocate again: that's every product in existence. Trying to appeal more to a younger consumer base in order to gain them as a long term one.

[@venommagnus]

@@ceufrscio707 Which is ironically why this game dipped in player count, it also happened with MW2019 before Warzone released.

[@rustysausage69]

@@ceufrscio707 It appeals and caters to the less skilled player base and subsequently fails to captivate the same player once he improves, or any player that strives to improve; from a game structure sense and a gameplay sense (namely map design, perk system SBMM).

[@ceufrscio707]

@@venommagnus that's why I only play the free version of mw2

[@cubanknightmare4126]

As a casual how the hell are these maps fun

[@smokeylake6732]

Very few people play video games for a living nor play even daily. Most of us are casual players.

[@ronfrmdadotte]

This guy gets it. Finally someone said it

[@mr.s9783]

The boys have been pressuring me to get Cold War because MW2 is trash. Is it even worth it at this point?

[@DoctorSandia]

Lmao hell no that game is worse

[@rmw9420]

nah cold war is fine. the weapon balance is kinda crazy but it's got good gameplay. sniping is fun as hell and the camos and art direction are pretty good. there's a couple of stinker maps but other than that it feels like a diff world then the mw games. honestly made me feel like i was playing an older cod again

[@Tactically2Hip]

So when we bringing “Smacking Sweaties” back?

[@idealweapon6140]

Lemme catch my son putting safe spaces in COD maps.

[@sirdrip1313]

Here we go again with birdman unearthing common knowledge about slaw of duty

[@yavierrosario991]

damn dud that hard point come back

[@dom57p]

kinda crazy they think like that when domination doesnt make sense on half the maps lol

[@packrunner5876]

Birdman was spitting nothing but facts

[@martinpena5873]

What’s up old man!

[@GhostFrost524]

The map design in modern shitfare2 is a complete joke. "MaPS wErE mAdE FoR CaSuaL PlaYErRs" my ass. Thats an insult to casuals

[@iZaners]

Warzone and middle aged dads who don't have thumbs who buy cod for the name sake really saved that shit development team. Every other massive game globally is based off competitive. Competitive maps play great for casual gameplay. It's not a hard concept to understand. The most beloved maps in cod history nearly all were played competitively.

[@nequanperry2013]

The majority player base are causals never understood what “causal maps “mean in this community

[@treyperry9722]

Every map in both MW19 and MW2 would have been extremely fun if they were 20-30% smaller. I don’t understand IW’s obsession with these massive maps that allow you to die for nothing you did wrong. It’s almost impossible to play spawns and have a good idea of where people are on these enormous maps. BO2 and BO3 should be the universal standard for perfect COD map design

[@joshuaryan3850]

They are already too small of maps.

[@DolphinOfFire]

Is this not what we've been wanting though? Easy to navigate maps like BO2 and MW3? I havent played but like maybe 10 total matches of MW2 so idk the map layout really. But i thought complicated maps were an issue.

[@nea5149]

Sounds like you answered your own question. The big complicated maps you say are the campy casual ones as compared to the 3 lane type maps.