Omni-Man’s Redemption Was WAY Different In The Comics..

Omni-Man is one of the most popular characters from the Invincible Universe. In this video I compare the popular "Omni-Man Drifts Through Space" scene to its source material. Showing you how two pieces of media initially meant to be the same can have completely different intentions and underlying meanings.
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[@TheTheisson]

i think they want to make his redemtion more justified instead of mark and the audience trusting him blindly

[@mikhaelgribkov4117]

Nah, they just pad it, in the end result will be the same and most of additions will probably not amount much to anything meaningful. Remember whole Mark PTSD and how little it added to the story before and after Nolan ? Or Amber side activities which are dropped to be more comic accurate? It is written by cowards who change something non important, which makes story make less sense, but also so replacable and unimportant to how story flows that they still can stick to the book.

[@cultofsquidward4100]

​@@mikhaelgribkov4117 bro stfu, I see you posting the same shit takes on every invincible season 2 video.

[@ferminangelcarhuajulcaguil1196]

Imagine if your wife cheated on you and as asking for your forgiveness she brings you the kid she had with another man.

[@gwell2118]

⁠​⁠@@mikhaelgribkov4117ok one we have no idea what events will change in future storylines. Case in point there major changes in the storyline post Omni man fight that have already altered how events will line up with characters such as Debbie, ZThula, and even Eve. Also amber side activities? They always had scenes with her in comic. What the show did was create actually believable scenarios and characters rather than the early comics where people made implausible choices (mark and Debbie so easily forgiving Omni man) and fleshing out characters that were heavily one note in comics. Plus nothing implied mark forgave Omni man in the show so that already will have major story implications. The fact that the changes are near universally preferred shows slavishly just following the flawed early comics would have been a huge mistake. Just because something gets to a similiar point doesn’t mean a better constructive narrative getting there isn’t one tivly better. By that logic, they should have just had mark meet up with Nolan the very episode after the fight, huh it out and forgive him and we all say it’s the same. Because it all ends the same right? Give me a break lol

[@baonkang5990]

Also he was way more brutal in the show.

[@Zap_Master99]

Omni Man's redemption story was very different than I expected. Especially how he felt about the thraxians dying too, I was actually glad they had more of the dramatic moment for Mark expressing his hatred of what Nolan did, even Nolan allowing Mark to say a lot of impactful words, and remarks. There was a thing in the scene about Viltrum where Mark remarks to Nolan that he isn't a monster, there's a slight showing of Nolan's facial expression of the way he reacted to Mark somewhat insulting the Viltrum race overall like he was upset still. The whole thing about not helping his brother took me by surprise at first too. Also when Nolan fought Lucan, and admitted he knew he deserved to die, he was saying that because of betraying his people, but betraying earth and killing innocents.

[@mikhaelgribkov4117]

And all of it is just padding. Just like PTSD is just divergence for sake of it and honestly works pretty poorly, as him forgiving his dad early was actually a big hint on Mark's self centered nature he tries to hide and which later is called out by the text and used to compare a point of similarity between him and evil Marks. The second they changed Mark mocking his "Invincible" name after multiversal Mauler ass kicking for sake of PTSD, I knew he will be just a most basic MC with no moral complexity. The last episode especially laughable in how it makes him keep up with Thula, while someone like Seismic made him bleed two episodes prior. This show writing is based and fueled by hype, it is modern Sherlock overhyped by stupid people who don't understand what the original comic is about and it's baffling that I, a person who never put Invincible as some exceptional book, able to comprehend absolute butchery the original story gone through for sake of appeal.

[@Zap_Master99]

@@mikhaelgribkov4117 I also somewhat where you're coming from, perhaps if they had even done like 10 episodes of 30 minutes worth of episodes, we could like a few more episodes before the thraxa stuff, enough to get more into Mark's growth of becoming stronger.

[@convoid1888]

I think it was more of a mix between both. He was saying as a response with what you said as his reasoning, but from the tone, you can also see him referring what he said. It's not true for what he said to omniman, but for the reason omniman feels like he deserves it is true. I'm trying to say it is both? It's hard to say without thinking it through for a while. Long story short, yes no.

[@ferminangelcarhuajulcaguil1196]

Imagine if your wife cheated on you and as asking for your forgiveness she brings you the kid she had with another man.

[@16mopey]

You could even comment on the fight how he puts himself in danger a couple of times just to save mark.

[@alexiavya722]

the tv show did a phenomenal job of showing how someone has to go through the process of changing on the inside by both having self reflection and exterior reflection. Nolan’s scenes in the show feel like he’s gaslighting Mark into caring. After a rewatch, he instead feels like he’s only on the first step to understanding what empathy is and doesn’t really know how to communicate it correctly to Mark when he knows Mark is fundamentally opposed to him now. He tried to make their reconnection not about him, but in the worst way possible. Almost like he’s a child learning to get around arguments. It’s funky, but he has an empires span of time to be indoctrinated and only 1 life time to learn what’s better. It’s crazy cool and I really enjoy the questions of longevity presented. That’ll be a question the future of humanity will have to answer when they can live that long

[@Skaevs]

I agree, he's like an unempathetic person learning empathy. Like a child learning to apologise for the first time, but instead of just apologising he tries to make things better somehow? Or shift focus at least. To downplay how bad what he did was. It's like he wants to apologise, but he can't handle or doesn't want to handle the conflict that is at hand, he just wants to apoloise and for it to be over with. Kinda like a child, who just wants to be forgiven, so they don't have to deal with negative emotions. When Mark doesn't emmidiately forgive him, he tries to shift focus from himself, to avert Marks attention and again, try to avoid conflict or harm towards himself. Children don't want negative focus on them. When Mark still doesn't let it go, that's when Nolan gets a little mad. But it does look like he learns a little, because he sees that you can't just apologise and expect to be forgiven.

[@bitwize]

I think you're onto something. It's clear that TV Nolan was redeemed by being a father to Mark, however terrible a father he was. He had something of attachment and love for his son, and took seriously the idea that maybe his son was right about Viltrumite life, especially since he was willing to die for his convictions. Viltrumites aren't really necessarily evil, but conquest is the only way they know how to survive. Failure to utterly dominate through superior strength is defeat and death to them. Nolan saw that humans have found other ways to thrive, and would be willing to die to protect that peace, and that threw everything he knew into question.

[@andmicbro1]

I definitely think the show does a better job of showing the Viltrumites weren't evil, but definitely misguided. It made me think what it would be like to be raised and believe your whole life that your culture and Empire is the only correct choice. Then being forced to reevaluate that idea entirely, and decide maybe that's not right. I think it's also better to show Nolan's be loyalty is to his family, not Viltrum. He gets angry when his family is attacked, and he wants to defend them above all else. It makes his motivations a bit more clear to follow. Having some convoluted plan to lessen his punishment doesn't seem like it would really work on Viltrumites. They would still consider him weak and a traitor for abandoning his post on Earth, no amount of conquering other planets changes that. It also makes way more sense he'd be suicidal having failed. His people are not merciful. They wouldn't accept his failure. He himself wouldn't accept it, so he's considering his only play left. He also betrayed his family on Earth, so he lost them too. I guess both stories work in their own way, but Nolan in the show is a more clear in his motives.

[@mikhaelgribkov4117]

@@andmicbro1 they literally cut scene with big viltrumite guy being confused by Mark defending aliens which is way better indicator about their redeption than show gave.

[@YourSocialistAutomaton]

​@@andmicbro1first paragraph is a representation of US patriots learning how horrible their nation is

[@ashuwa]

​@afrosyriandude3297 can people not just compare bad things to countries for once?

[@ClavinZKL]

Stop talking like Yoda 😂

[@comicgoats]

I want him to always have the long hair and full beard, it’s so much cooler😂

[@Duterasemis]

I think Omni-Man was definitely conflicted in the show. He genuinely believed that Mark deserved to die, as was the Viltrumite way, for his weakness, and yet... he loved Mark. He loved his son in a way he had never found himself feeling about another Viltrumite before. When Mark spit out his love for his father through broken teeth, stating that after 500 years they'd still have each other, it broke him. His depression was just as much about failing as a Viltrumite as it was destroying his family and actually feeling guilt about the innocents he killed for the first time in his life, because he saw through his son's eyes for a split-second and understood how it's possible to care for another person. He knows he can't go home. Either one of his homes. His time is up and he accepts that he will be punished, and his kind give no quarter. It's likely there is no punishment in the show version of Viltrumite culture other than the death penalty. He's different from the comic version a bit, but the conflict is still there. It's just playing out in a different way. He's lost his identity, his purpose, his family. He failed in his mission and he destroyed his life in the process. He had nothing left. That's why he drifted towards the black hole.

[@hopelesslyoptimistic8231]

I’m going to disagree, I think this version of Nolan genuinely is more human than he was before. He not only loves his son but he actually likes being a hero. He had no reason to save the Thraxans and he didn’t want to conquer their world but he choose to stay and protect them. This Nolan was always a good person deep down just confused by his ideology.

[@Skaevs]

@@hopelesslyoptimistic8231 No, I think he truly believed in the Viltrumite ideology, but as he had children he learned to empathise. It got him "down to earth" so to speak. Viltrumites are humanoid, so they have empathy, their ideology just tries to ignore it and´make them tough, but Nolans story is a testament to empathy. Yes I think he liked being a hero, yes I think he loved Mark, he sure tried to supress those feelings, because it was the Viltrumite way, but I'm sure he still liked what he did. Nolan was naive, he thought he could have his cake and eat it too. He thought that he could be a beloved hero and have a loving family and that when Mark grew up they would take over Earth together. It was only when those to things conflicted, his self-interest and his indoctrination, that he was forced to choose. And he chose what he loved over what he was raised for. I still think he was conflicted, because he was raised to kill the weak, and so he should have killed Mark, which is also when his values conflicted. That's what being conflicted means. But sure, yes, he is more empathetic seemingly than he was in the comic.

[@user-nt7ru4te9h]

I was today years old when I learned that Omni man’s eyes were brown in the comics

[@commando1092]

now they made him mustache superman

[@jorgeestella4441]

They generally made some changes such as adding blue eyes to make him look more similar to his voice actor, jk simmons

[@dmkape2887]

That was in the early comics when the art was shit in the latest issues both he and mark have blue eyes like in the series

[@bastardjay2026]

I didn’t even notice until you mentioned it 💀

[@copaceticobserver]

​@@dmkape2887mark has blue eyes?

[@Flufferpup]

He definitely is a changed man in the comics; the only difference is his initial intentions and how he ended up on the planet, as well as it happening off screen - or page, rather. Upon siring his second child, he had by that point completely abandoned his original mission and turned his back on the viltrumites. Even further, he had always been a changed man, and would have been content to remain on earth and live a happy life. But the moment mark gained his powers, he was forced to face his viltrumite duties. He put on an act and forced himself to do the things he did.

[@Skaevs]

Nolan was stressing for Mark to get his powers as soon as possible. I think you are right, and that he was a changed man after he got on Earth and to my knowledge, for the first time escaped the Viltrumite indoctrination, which would start to undo itself on Earth. But he was still dedicated to it, and had convinced himself whole-heartedly that when Mark got his powers they would conquer Earth together, and everything would work out just fine. But he couldn't have his cake and eat it too. Mark didn't want that and that's when he became conflicted.

[@chillin9712]

They're putting more emphasis on his love for his family, which I love. Why? because it looks like they're aiming to do this so the fights are not only as badass as the comics, but the stakes and sacrifices feels more prominent than the comics. Yes, obviously the comics had stakes LMFAO - but at times I felt like they could've made the "bond"/love between them stronger.

[@Skaevs]

real

[@cencent2189]

I think that you're right. It honestly made me feel angry and sad to see him change and also think all the way through that he cant go back to what became his home because he didn't realize what he had until he destroyed it. It makes him trying to save his new wife and son all the more impactful because he finally cares and it hurts because he doesn't know how to handle those emotions

[@haroldjames1135]

Invincible is the best superhero show out right now!!

[@detective2221]

No it isn't, they race-swapped Amber.

[@Painttbul]

@@detective2221 Who cares. She was just a Eve clone in the Comics, lmao. Glad they made the change to be honest.

[@ImWhyMortalsCry]

For me Invincible ane The Boys are the best ones atm

[@mikhaelgribkov4117]

Watch Pantheon, it's way better.

[@danielcameron8616]

@@detective2221…why does that make the show bad…

[@Stroimex]

The real difference comes because the show is really meant to speed up the pacing of the comic a lot and his redemption arc is a much more slow and conflicting process where as in the series he kinda does a massive self reflecting 180° in a much shorter time

[@Skaevs]

I think you're supposed to take into account that he was already reflecting while Mark was still a child. There are multiple scenes that show Nolan being conflicted about his Viltrumite duties and his life as a dad and partner on Earth. Like at Marks baseball game where he looks grumpy, like he doesn't want to be there, because he's trying to convince himself that it's a waste of time and that he just wants Mark to get his powers. Or when he seemingly considers murdering his family because Mark hasn't gotten his powers yet, but regrets it, realising what he was thinking, in the Adam Eve special. And also, realistically, you would do a lot of reflection if you were about to kill your son, that you raised and love, for your space Nazi ideology, and also after realising you've killed thousands of innocent people, that were just like you and your son. I don't think it's a stretch. It's an empathy awakening.

[@thesenate7710]

Nolan also felt way more cold to Debbie in this part of the comic

[@blacksmoke6292]

Yeah. Dude was salty at the fact that Debbie was trying to move on despite the fact that he hit up a bug lady.

[@thesenate7710]

@@blacksmoke6292 I think he didn’t see andressa as wife or anything in that sense, even when he’s in prison he says I think I miss my wife not even thinking about andressa

[@thesenate7710]

@@blacksmoke6292 also in the show it’s shown that he clearly cares about Debbie still while in the comic he won’t even mention her so I wonder how they’ll handle the scene of him in prison because it won’t make as sense as we already know he misses his wife

[@snowycomics6844]

Ur right on the money I was thinking the same thing, but this different interpretation feels true to his character and honestly I prefer this version to the comics, and I love the comics, but these show runners and actors have been able to truly make it their own and I love it even more

[@ion_force]

reading through the comics right now. It is weird to see how many things from "season 2" were brought back into season one. Events moved around all over the place. Like the maulers working with robot to make a new clone. I had no idea that happened well after invincible fights omniman.

[@CoffeeSuccubus]

Marks reaction in the show is far more realistic than in the comics. He just forgives his father automatically in the comments and weeps. In the show, Mark is furious and refuses to forgive his father right away.

[@therizinosaurus214]

i felt that Nolan's fight was as much proving to himself what is a true Viltrum as much as to was to show Mark. We see several times where there is a hint of inner conflict but the Viltrum side of him would win. At the end of the battle the side of him that was formed on Earth started breaking through. The difference in the comic and the show helps speed Nolan's redemption arc along.

[@VMRY-ux9qb]

I mean on the surface level from what we know right now I would say this interpretation is spot on, imo as an enjoyer of both forms of the series. What I thought was weird was the whole, "He's YOUR BROTHER Mark. Your BROTHER, He's your FAMILY Mark they'll kill him." and the whole, "YOU NEED TO KILL THEM MARK" bits of the mid season finale that really made me think maybe he's just still pretty evil but smarter(better at hiding it)? More manipulative at least, if he really cared for Mark and his new brother he could have just sent them away to earth and face the actions of his own consequences. But he used the brother and Thraxia as hostages to make Mark fight with him. I think this because he only starts to show real empathy for the Thraxians until after the 3 Viltrumite squad comes and starts wrecking the place when he could have just surrendered. He did not do that though because he is still very selfish. If he just surrendered once the squad came and made his new planet surrender (because he was already King) they wouldn't've wasted the time or manpower to destroy a planet whose entire population will be replaced in a year. They are cruel space conquerors not idiots.

[@detective2221]

When I heard they race-swapped Amber, that was when I decided I was sticking with the comics and not this goofy show.

[@VMRY-ux9qb]

@@detective2221 they race swapped almost all the guardians of the globes and gender swapped some too. Did not help them though lol

[@Gojeto346]

it totally felt like he was trying to hold Mark hostage by pulling the brother and family card when the last thing Omni Man had said to Mark should make him think he doesn’t give a shit about family that isn’t pure Viltrumite blooded. I hate how they’re handling this.

[@VMRY-ux9qb]

@@Gojeto346 I am hoping for a huge offshoot from the comic at this point to justify all the weirdness

[@Zap_Master99]

@@detective2221 What does race swap have to do with Omni-Man, Thraxa and the whole deal with the brother?

[@Tsaava1338]

Great Video!

[@gabrielmaxwell4296]

The comics lacked a lot of depth and the fights seemed lackluster. I think the show really gives the story sustenance, giving it more emotion and artwork. The fight scenes are peak. They show a lot more feeling than the comics and I really appreciate the added emphasis on those things. Comics are still great but I think the show is just better.

[@bigdojacoom8999]

The fight scenes are kind of mediocre in comparison to a lot of other animated productions if I’m being completely honest. I somewhat prefer the original interpretation where he’s still a piece of garbage, but he’s changing at a much slower rate. It takes quite a bit for people to change, especially one as old as Nolan; him seeking self preservation over all else makes more sense is this scenario.

[@Chillst0rm]

​@@bigdojacoom8999i dont think nolan has changed as much as the show leads on. his depression and wanting to die in the black hole could be him fearful of punishment he will get for failing to conquer earth. Just like he was feeling in the comics. And if he was truly changed, its douptful he would of used the thraxxans and marks brother as meat shields & motivation to get mark to help him without properlly appologizing 1st. He is still being manipulative, the show is just in my opinion making his change of heart less abrupt and visibly showing his internal conflict. In the comics nolans sudden change of heart is alot more SuS, specially when he joins the coalition. But maybe readers enjoyed that SuS feeling, interpreting it as mayyybe nolan is still scheming something

[@gotyournose6479]

That's a lie. The comics take and took a more gradual approach. After all, he was a Viltrumite for thousands of years. And while I wouldn't agree with the fights being lackluster at this point in the comics, the show fight thus far are def better though the comic fight become fucking peak later on and I'm concerned if the show will be able to make up for the lack of insane art like in the comics

[@Skaevs]

@@bigdojacoom8999 I think we're supposed to look at Nolan as seemingly young for a Viltrumite, and as a naive recruit who was indoctrinated at a young age, and never really grasped the ideology before he was forced to choose between it or murdering his son.

[@jennyfeare1702]

Another thing i was quite glad to see get omitted in the show was Mark *punching* Nolan to check if he was real, cuz given that actually hurt him and he could tell Mark was stronger than before, Mark would've *atomized* some disguised thraxian's head!

[@peterdeluce9513]

Considering in season 1 they added in a lot more violent acts by Omni that weren't in the comics (the train scene specifically), they had to be a bit more heavy handed in this telling of his redemption arc for the audience to even consider connecting with him as a character again. Narratively, I think it was just the right yin to yang for balancing out his wildly evil actions. He isn't fully redeemed, but you trust that he's ready to change

[@pacha2516]

This and his reunion with mark seems more… organic than in the comics. In the series Mark is angry about being brought away from home to a father he scorns. In the comics Mark begs Nolan to come home ignoring what happened beforehand, it just doesn’t feel as genuine as the series

[@mikhaelgribkov4117]

Well, his mother is drunk who blames him, his live still sucks and he literally mocks his Superhero name because of Mauler incident. It makes more sense in hindsight, as he shows to be way more self centered jerk than gives off initially.

[@o-wolf]

Kirkman was in his early twenties when he wrote this, it's no excuse on many levels, but it was a semi mainstream comic in an industry where genocides &atrocities happen every other month and people just forget about it and move on He's obviously grown &matured (in some ways atleast) as a writer and sought to improve on (some if not all) the comics deficiencies aswell as catering to the more streamlined platform of TV What surprised me amongst all the changes was going back and finding that some of the standout moments were beat for beat page for page I DID NOT remember the "I'll still have you dad" lime AT ALL back in the day so it really stood out and shocked me when I watched the finale (I didn't like the finale as much as most ppl up until that point)

[@f1rst.t1me]

You just gotta remember that many stories need to be layered on top of one another to exist within the shows format. In that regard, they did a fine job.

[@thetheorizermoore7476]

His redemption and and change in the comics is just much slower then in the show that’s what I see

[@filippocalcagno5393]

Absolute colossal change to add the black hole scene

[@humanperson8418]

The scene that really drove this home was when Omni-man grabbed Mark by the throat and said "I don't wat to feel this way". That's when Mark understood he was genuine.

[@radiocandy703]

makes sense but there are a lot of ways that they seem pretty similar. In the comic he also seems conflicted but its more like his rational mind is still thinking like a viltrumite but his emotions and sense of self has changed. The comic and show both have that scene where he looks at the dead thraxans, grabs mark by the throat and angrily questions why feeling remorse for an "inferior" species is better than just seeing them as nothing. I think the main difference is just getting to that point like you were saying. But to me in the show the approach seems to be more trying to make him more sympathetic by having his guilt be compounded by him feeling like a failure to his race. The comic has him trying to cope with all this more with him trying to figure out what the logical course of action would be while still repressing his feelings from himself

[@BeanerWithAweaner]

i like the tvshow version it makes him seem to be changed and the comic he sounds like any new marvel character

[@marko-gj1uj]

Omniman from early comics reminds me of Neighbor from Hello Neighbor

[@Archos777]

TV show did good so far. I just hope they keep the essence of the comics further on with him, Nolan is a really cool character through the story

[@recklessnotion1899]

This is the exact same arc The Governor had in season 4 of The Walking Dead. Gotta love Kirkman and his redemption of villians

[@mayabronleewe17]

Omni man kinda got that tragic origin tho

[@david50x84]

Story adaptations almost always stick to generic scenes and themes, and that's most of what this is. People don't change overnight, and Omni man in his more loyal version, the comics, is no exception. Omni man takes a solid minute to REALLY change. And we see him start to undergo the changes we see in the show a little while after first entering Viltrumite prison. The line from there "I think I miss my wife" hits HARD, and really starts going into his transition of cultures there. This is what I think was the intention from the creator, was to have him slowly be different. The show did mess with this, which while giving us some emotional and good scenes, will dampen the effects of later scenes. This is the result of studios treating there stories like dramas instead of like a scenario with REAL people. Whether that is better or not is entirely up to you.

[@videocreator970]

I see and understand your argument-while Amazon’s version of Omni man goes through a more profound change at an earlier point in the story, his comic version still ends up in the same emotional place as his animated counter part When the Viltrumites attack Thraxa, Omni man cries out of anger and sadness when sees the thraxans being massacred. Just like animated Nolan did His motivations appear to be different between the show and comic, however, his character development is still identical

[@gwell2118]

No but it’s far more justified in the show. I mean the co Pics showed his original goal was to offer up the planet as penance for earth. Than somehow grew a conscious living with them but not from earth for some reason. The show portrayed he never intended to do that and had great remorse from the start. Plus he never really had to work to get anyone back they either just forgave him or trusted him from the start. The ending being the same doesn’t change that it was handled far better in the show.

[@mikhaelgribkov4117]

@@gwell2118 he literally said in the comic that he considered staying with Mark, up until he got his powers and shown regretting all his action before Mark finds out the truth. If anything, comic does a better job communicating the Viltrumite ideology fighting against Nolan's ability of empthy. Nolan tries to save himself, but in the end does give a shit. That is way more compeling than him torturing Mark in the show and than becoming saint.

[@gwell2118]

@@mikhaelgribkov4117the show did a far better job at this. Most of that was through one giant monologue that spit in the face of show don’t tell. The show did a better job at showing his turmoil than just him literally blurting it out, also didn’t help he literally went out to conquer a new world after all that in the comics. Seems waaaaasy more an a-hole to me. The comics went for melodrama. The show went for realistic.

[@deankirkby8047]

It felt like too quick of a turn around in the animated show. I haven’t read the comic and I feel like they had short-cutted his development.

[@Ninja07Keaton]

We already saw the change throughout most of S1, specifically when Nolan was practicing what to say to Mark before the S1 finale. The show has done enough to sell the change, the details matter after all.

[@mikhaelgribkov4117]

@@Ninja07Keaton not really, as in the show he acts way more assholish than in any point in the comic and whole fight with Mark in the show is him killing civis intentionally, compared to the comic where it was collateral damage. They also cut a lot of scenes of him being genuinely doubtful in how to say his family the truth and he way more sad compared to cruelty and anger in the show. The show also fuck up order as him beating Mark is important is because it was the first time Invincible bled in the fight and took any damage, all the while undercutting built up to other plotlines and being pretty slow in how plot devolopes while having less breathing room because of rearrangement .

[@Ninja07Keaton]

@@mikhaelgribkov4117 That was the idea. Nolan was doing all of that to convince himself. Killing the civilians was Nolan attempting to distance himself from what his true feelings are. Mark was Nolan's psychological mirror, if you will. Nolan wanted to believe he was a conqueror who could kill millions without hesitation in the name of his empire. And when he first arrived on Earth, that was undoubtedly true. But when we see the flashbacks with him, Debbie, and Mark, how his facial expressions didn't align with his words when speaking to Cecil and Mark during the final 2 episodes of S1, we're shown how Nolan changed during his time on Earth. He couldn't denounce the ideology of his people until he nearly killed his own son. Even Mark stated that Nolan risked his life to protect them when it would have been more efficient to raise Mark alone, away from the general public as a Viltrumite. Again, the show does enough to make all of this crystal clear. As for the rearranging of events, we'll need to wait and see if the set up and world building will bare narrative fruit.

[@StoogesTheTwo]

I mean in the comic mark forgive Ms him instantly which is also unrealistic. Show is better when you realize omniman saw peace and love in such a short amount of time and it was so strong it overrid thousands of years of violence

[@somethingwithultra7231]

@@Ninja07KeatonWhile it's quite more interesting though, it does keep him from being as barely redeemable as he already was in the comic. And his manipulative attitude here was the cherry on top to that. I don't think that animated Nolan can actually be redeemed at this point, he's just such an ass.

[@999-raiden]

Thanks to Debbie the most. She's the reason why Omni-Man and Invincible in our universe are the good guys and not some conquerors

[@MKB07]

Ive read the comics many times and I like the show's take, the one thing I hope remains the same is when he says that he misses his wife.

[@geraldstephens6612]

What did Kirkman said about this & other differences between the comics & animated series?

[@mrman1051]

One thing i dont understand is why the show version has a oliver. In the comics its pretty clear that it was an attempt to show the vilturmites that they could breed.

[@ally3417]

Cause Oliver is a important character that has impact on the story plot and mark's life?...

[@t10n0hnjevkul4]

Bug sex

[@drackestalentorgen166]

Here is the thing, the show has had mayor changes since season 1...and they will keep piling up, some might be for the better...but still they will keep pling on till the story derails in another direction

[@rahn45]

"You dad... I'd still have you." It was in that moment Nolan realized that his own existence didn't have to be one of absolute loneliness, and that cut him deep.

[@Craigalicioususa]

Based on what you explained, it definitely feels better how the show tackled that part than the comic.

[@DedHedZed]

I proffered the comic- yes you find him doing the same thing to another world, it's all he knows. A world that put up no fight and left him with nothing but time to think.

[@Crow_Rising]

There were already differences from the comic in Season 1, but at this point I'm convinced the show and the comic are two different timelines. It's neat in that the comic isn't invalidated and there's still a reason to go read it and also that there's still new content to look forward to in the show, but it also means that certain scenes from the comic will probably not ever get animated as well so it's a bit bittersweet. Regarding Nolan himself, his comic adaptation feels a bit more true to his character. He was already very stubborn and resistant to change to begin with, so it makes sense that his redemption arc would be a slower, more gradual process of certain ideas slipping into his head and getting slowly but surely reinforced through follow up experiences. Who he is at his core isn't something that would change in an instant. However, I do like the show's portrayal so far regarding his redemption. While he is portrayed more sympathetically in the show, he's still showing some signs of resistance to change. He makes it clear that he's going through a personal identity crisis. He's feeling emotions that his entire upbringing would dictate as being both logically and morally wrong, and he hates himself for it. He desperately wishes that he could go back to being who he was before because that's what feels right to him, but at the same time he's also starting to have his doubts about everything he once thought he knew to be true. He knows that he can't so easily just slip back into his old role and escape punishment anyway, further allowing him to let those doubts seep in and anchor themselves to his mind, opening him up to new viewpoints he never would have considered before.

[@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259]

1:27 he did definitely take this into account. He just loved debbie too much to lie to her. Plus it would have been too much effort.

[@johanalejandrocazadordepin7225]

There are severals parts in the comics which show Nolan is still a viltrumite. For example, qhen mark asked him if it was a good idea to free humanity from Robot, Nolan told Mark that robot was like a master whonputs a leash on his dog

[@AtomicSub]

Viltrumites can’t breathe in space. Thats why Nolan doesn’t talk

[@khalilm3166]

I prefer the show version honestly over the comics in this regard

[@mirekasukukurayuki430]

That moment when people forget Omni Man overpowers a blackhole

[@roberthornyak5875]

I think the show wants to add more depth to the characters and help extend the story so the series can go longer which isn't a bad thing. They may even diverge from the comics in the future to create suspenseful stories.

[@alphalance9408]

The black hole scene was the best of the entire series❤‍🔥❤‍🔥❤‍🔥

[@caffeinedelusions]

There's a question that Animated Omni-Man is shown to wrestle with that Comics Omni-Man takes a lot longer to come to. "Who am I, if I'm not who Viltrum made me?" The ultimate answer comes when he flips that question around, and asks "What is Viltrum, if someone who can learn what I have learned can come from it?"

[@luigiplayer14]

1:23 I mean, Levy says most Mark’s join him.

[@jadonabuaqil2717]

Definite improvement over the comics

[@V0W4N]

changing in 20 years for a viltrumite might seem unreasonably quick so lets say nolan has lived for 5000 years adjust it to a whole life span of a human being around 5000 weeks instead and boy you sure can get some serious things done to your mindset in those 20 weeks and i risk to theorize that even after all that natural selection their parental instincts still persisted somewhere deep in their minds that just waiting to be released really hope third season will show nolans genuine intentions instead of being yet another empires pawn

[@sinatraforeign]

You got a few things wrong, they changed a few things in the animated series, viltrumites use to conquer planet through strength and bloodbath, but viltrumites were to say endangered, less than a few thousand left, so nolan propose they try getting the perfect species to breed with and he obtain a post on earth, after he got his son he think he dont have viltrumite power so he didn't think much of it and think the mission is off and a failure, he went on to be a loving father, but once mark shows his strength he's afraid that the viltrumite will knows and invade earth, and he decide to tell mark about their history and try to get mark on his side bc he would die if he didn't.

[@shleaumeau7740]

Nolan realizes during his fight with Mark that he isn't powerful at all. He's actually incredibly powerless. He is a slave to Viltrum, a tool of its Social Darwinist ideology, a cog in a machine of conquest and imperialism, and doesn't get to make his own decisions or do what he really wants. He wants Mark to help him conquer. The realization that that's impossible, that realization absolutely shatters him and his self-image. For all his powers, he absolutely cannot get what he wants. The only time he was ever truly independent and in control was in his facade as Omni-Man. Omni-Man got to help who he wanted to help, fight who he wanted to fight, bail on Cecil whenever he felt like, have a family... but Nolan the Viltrumite soldier follows orders. When he sees the Thraxan ship falling into the black hole, he has an opportunity to be Omni-Man again, to forge his own path. It is the second strongest thing Nolan has ever done.

[@shleaumeau7740]

(The #1 strongest decision was deserting his post, and the third strongest was never taking Mark to Viltrum.)

[@VoxKaizen.]

I don't think it is a huge departure from the source material but a slight difference to modernize the story and make Nolan more relatable.

[@kenj0165]

I just noticed that most superman inspired characters have blue eyes like him

[@zwordsman]

Honestly the animated series seems better so far in genreal. and i hope they keep changing details in general.

[@breadboi3837]

I wish they gave his redemption more time

[@deathgunnergaming5129]

I watched show and red the comic so yeah you are right❤

[@adambarnes49]

Feel bad for Omni man,at least in the series he was genuinely looking forward to conquering the planet with his son, would've given them some good bonding time but I guess not everything works out

[@graveltheblock5578]

There's limitation in the chosen media

[@ChromisPasqueflowerBowerbird]

2:00 skip all the backstory

[@ChromisPasqueflowerBowerbird]

actually 3:13 is when uploader finally show the comics side of thing. geez

[@TheLyricalWrdsmth]

WAY might be a stretch, but it's definitely tweaked. Much like with TLOU show on HBO, this feels less like an adaptation, and more like a second draft. Entertainment producers should enable creators to adapt their own work to a different medium more often.

[@GradeAMolvanian]

I think it's more a matter of he changes faster. Omni-man clearly does have some degree of morality or he wouldn't have left in the first place. Him saying Mark should have died means a hell of a lot less than his actions to choose to save him, even knowing he would suffer for it. It's less a different character and more the changes are coming faster, possibly to support a shorter story which the show will absolutely be compared to a comic book.

[@Tyler_W]

I think you're right that it's different, but i don't agree that it's radically dissimilar. They just hurried the process along a little further in the show for brevity. While you're right about the thought boxes, I think it's fair to say that there's a little more subext going on, and his thoughts shouldn't be taken at face value. He's absolutely conflicted, but at that point in the story, I think he's trying to figure out how to get rid of the cognitive dissonance and find a way to harmonize the beliefs he was indoctrinated with and the change of heart that Mark and his time on Earth had caused within him. I think they kinda had to do it the way they did in the show because we don't really have the benefit of his inner thoughts in the series. The differences between the show and the comics are how you make changes in adaptation the right way. Although different in execution, it still maintains the spirit and creative intent of the source material.

[@wolfmaster6113]

Goated

[@hackedbyBLAGH]

So it's a retcon then!

[@arionofotherworld]

Not read the comics, but i think TV show Omni-Man really did like being a father and a superhero rather than a conqueror, and i think that's the angle the TV show has gone for.

[@MrOverTyrant]

To be honest the change of artstyle in the comics clash multiple times. I feel that probably the other artist could have make it more emotional

[@simon-peterwilliamson2412]

I thought omni man struggled with Mark because mark developed his powers extremely late. He spawned a son for assistance but he didnt develop his powers soon enough so

[@WhosMe14]

I don't really mind if it's different as long as it's good.

[@Asaski]

theres arguments to be made for which is better but in my opinion I like what the show did more

[@cond.oriano3264]

Omni-man didn’t need Marc to assist him in conquering the earth. He already slaughtered the guardians by himself and they were the strongest beings on earth. If he really wanted to, he could continue after recovering with ease

[@kaelden]

the comic version makes more sense, 2000 years he lived you know, old habits die hard

[@kaelden]

at that moment begins the start of character development, he will eventually change for the better, with lots of bumps on the road. but it takes time

[@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259]

Comic Nolan also caused far less destruction and more time was spent on him being a good father. But in reality, he said some awful things and mark forgiving him immediately was unrealistic even if he caused less damage than in the show.

[@mikhaelgribkov4117]

Because Mark doesn't care and he just wants go to back to when him being superhero was just simple. And Mark is selfish and will make more die while sacrificing opportunity to save more people in Reboot arc.

[@MathewAGTales]

I think they’re just rushing his redemption more in the TV with how expensive it must be to make a single episode lol

[@MasonMcLeodFilms]

Video starts at 2:00

[@grzegorzmizerski4187]

Well this shows that comics and TV series are much different: Nolan's tv series counterpart is much more redeemable than his comic book counterpart (although the tv counterpart did much more horrrible actions like killing Donal Ferguson, destroying half of Chicago and annihilating Flaxans' homeworld).

[@meowzzies]

I love when adaptations improve upon the source material, it's hard to do, but this version of Omni Man is way better written.

[@richardplinkett4956]

And then he marries a 6 month old bug child. Bravo Nolan.

[@WubWubWub]

I’m so sick and tired of people saying they relate to this guy.

[@fernandoamaya8771]

I think the show is doing good... In the comics is like: "Hey, I wont kill more people, chill out" and people just accept it.

[@mikhaelgribkov4117]

Because they care only about themselves. Like, it's Hunter X Hunter, most of the cast has own interest in mind and doesn't gives a shit for civis.

[@antirevomag834]

They kind of needed to fix it like this for the show. People can say the comic is great, but one thing it does horribly is redemption arks. nearly every character who gets a redemption did such horrible shit they should've been executed, but instead they just kinda go 'oops, sorry' and the characters in most aspects just forgive them. Maybe not entirely, but enough to ensure they don't get a real punishment. Hell. the viltrumites as a whole have been conquering and destroying life on planets for thousands of years... aand yet they win out in the end, no real punishment is ever dealt out in a major and proper way, they just kinda go "oh shit, humans are nice and make me feel warm inside" and boom, suddenly they're the good guys of the story.

[@Tyyppi_vika]

Its a little odd that he changes so quickly after living for thousands of years in the viltrumite ways

[@the_epipan]

In my opinion the animated series is being even better than the comic in almost every way. I liked the treatment given to the Guardians of the Globe much more, I am even satisfied with the treatment given to Amber. In the specific case of Omni-man... I think that self-exile is more believable in the comics than in the animated series because the guy, although he really has a heroic change (he prefers to betray his government, and everything he has believed in, and risk his life just to avoid murdering his son) but also Omniman from the comic is more clearly in the stage of denial, or in the stage of negotiation, he still wants to remain part of the Viltrumite empire... perhaps even out of fear. But even with this difference with respect to the animated series... I like the decision of the animated series, it is more dramatic and that Omniman has more noble spirit although it is still conflicted, but he already seems more determined to oppose the Viltrumites. Furthermore, in the animated series there is much less sexist content (I am a man but even I can see that there are a lot of forced poses of female characters, many are clearly fan service, not very natural, and many times the female characters are shown much more emotionally unstable than the male ones), I am liking more the development and representation that is being given to the characters in the animated series.

[@fairplayer916]

you make a good point. the diference in tone makes a big foundational shift. being the basic bitch that i am,idsay i like the shows verison more.

[@evmarekaj]

This is why i think they made amber so polarizing. They wanted people to hate her just like how they want people to love omni man.

[@glennchartrand5411]

Nolan was expecting Mark to be a Viltrumite-Human hybrid. But Mark is indistinguishable from a Viltrumite, he has every ability they have and his powers are developing normally for his age. This is a real problem for Nolan and Mark for 2 reasons. 1. The Viltrumite Empire will see a Viltrumite who isnt loyal to Viltrum as a threat. Viltrum loyalty is not only indoctrinated , it's genetic. Nolan is the only Viltrumite who disobeyed orders and abandoned his post..it never happened before. So Mark's ability to disobey orders is a death sentence, that's why it upset Nolan when he discovered that Mark disobeyed him earlier in the series. 2. Spoiler Alert. Because of a biological weapon , there are only 50 Viltrumites still alive , and because of their extremely low fertility rates their population will never recover...they are slowly going extinct. When Nolan discovered that Viltrumite-Human hybrids were actually Viltrumites with Human fertility rates , it made Earth a lot more important to the Empire. Earth made it possible for the Viltrumite race to repopulate and avoid extinction. So Nolan's orders were changed. Instead of taking decades to peacefully take over Earth , it had to be done now and if Mark refused to be part of it , kill him. The only reason the Viltrumites didnt immediately all head to Earth after capturing Nolan to establish families and begin having children is they can tell that being on Earth for 20 years changed Nolan somehow, so they are scared to send other Vitrumites to Earth until they understand what happened to Nolan...so they decided to order Mark to do his Fathers original mission as a form of quarantine for Mark and Earth until they understand how Nolan is now able to disobey orders.

[@adashofbitter]

Minor point - but the show character is way MORE conflicted. Having inner turmoil and feeling compelled to act against everything you believe in creates more inner conflict, not less. Conquering another world because it’s just what you do means you have less internal conflict. But I’m nitpicking. Great video.

[@Toto-95]

Honestly so far every change they made from the comics has been a positive. (Even Mark's arguably annoying GF who was a simple generic blond highschool girl in the comics)

[@FistofSpirit]

3:12

[@sleepy9102]

So he conquered a new planet for the viltrimite empire to lessen his punishment. What did the viltrimites say when the arrived?

[@LeandroSayago-rj3sn]

Omniman 🤝 Darth vader They both got redeemed thanks to their sons

[@n.tudorica7232]

He's redemption would never work in the show. In the comics Nolan doesn't destroy a train full of people just to "teach" Mark, instead all of dead civilians are just casualties of their fight, while in the show Nolan is remorseless in his ways of murdering people. Also in the comics Nolan doesn't attack guardians right way, instead he's for the better part is shown as a good father and man, so I actually believed that the original Nolan could be redeemed, but the show's one? Never.

[@libo2000]

I still think its sll a loe again and omniman sacroficed the big people to oretend to chance to trick mark into being a viltrumite (the fight being a real test)