Godzilla Showdown - Legendary vs Shin

[@skyylerkingery98]

Godzilla 2014 is good movie

[@nqk_0662]

So is shin Both good movies

[@nucleargods4032]

Yeah it's very good film.

[@jasongray6698]

I found it boring but my opinion isn’t everything

[@anomalotheriataurus8806]

I agree

[@traditionalreturn3954]

As a denizen of the Internet, I am going to write a 3000 word essay on why your opinion is wrong: Firstly...

[@henryscott370]

Godzilla being fat? He's always been bulky, my guy. Apart from that, good review.

[@omniviewer2115]

I know. I made that exact observation in my "4 Statements About Godzilla 2014 That Just Aren't True" video.

[@henryscott370]

Indeed.

[@skyslasher2297]

Henry Scott and what’s wrong with gills he lives in the water

[@heyyou2078]

Henry Scott also neither of them are really fat, I mean Godzilla 2014 has a six pack? A SIX PACK!!!

[@jameskub5609]

Godzilla a thicc boiiiiiiii

[@Bastizilla]

I love both in their own way. I love them pretty equally actually. I never compared them. These fights are why i avoid social media lately. People take everything so personal...

[@rickyrackey7930]

He’s missing a few more compared criticisms he’s missing. 1-Bad CGi 2-Main character is too boring 3-Interesting character gets killed off

[@GumballAstronaut7206]

Honestly I don’t think the two movies should even be compared...Titangoji said it best, “why are these two movies even being compared, the only similarities are that they have Godzilla in them, that’s it....They are made in two different countries, different budgets, different messages, and different directors who have different visions” that honestly sums it up. Both movies are in totally complete different playing fields. It’ll be like trying to see who would win between a Shark and a Lion. It’s not necessarily fair to the movies. Wouldn’t a better comparison be to older goji films like the solo movies? Like the 54’ and 84’ movies? Because both those movies and shin had some political message. I understand it’s your opinion, I must say this was a lot better dealt with than certain Godzilla KZbinrs *cough cough* Gojira5400.....

[@omniviewer2115]

Normally, I'd agree, but the fact is that these movies were always going to be compared to each other, because of the one other thing they have in common: they're divisive. You have two contemporary G-films to choose from, and you say you think one is better than the other, whoever likes the other is going to be flabbergasted, and thus a debate will begin on the virtues and failings of each. Someone disagrees with you on the quality of a film, you'll want to know why, will you not? And if you think that person missed the point or is twisting the facts, you'll want to correct them, won't you? The more passionate the parties are about their favorites, the more fervently they'll defend their stances. Hence, a debate begins. It may not be an entirely fair comparison being debated, but it is inevitable. It certainly should not get to the place this one has gotten to, but the internet does have a tendency to bring out the worst in people. I did say in my list of best Kaiju movies that everything people say they get from Shin, I get from The Return of Godzilla, so that particular comparison is one I've touched upon before. Indeed, I think Shin pales in comparison to that movie. I am glad you found me rational in this regard.

[@omniviewer2115]

You mean like how Americans dislike their government in its current state? I didn't miss this point. I just don't think it saves the film.

[@borsniel7767]

i think its more you missed it in translation there man. there is alot going on in this film and most of it has to do with Japanese society as whole. you complain about the rebel outsiders never being shown as such but you also miss that they do show it from a Japanese perspective. tbh 2014 Godzilla was a shitty blockbuster that lacked any real soul and glaringly lacked Godzilla for much of it, while shin went back to its roots as social commentary. its just that this commentary was not made for a western audience.

[@ryanwalters1682]

AstroGoji2000 Well they share Godzilla. They both deal with an active human response, one from the prespective of the military abd the other from the prespective of the government. That's about it.

[@tylermcneeley3136]

@@borsniel7767 You say that, but the 2014 Godzilla has more character and emotion to it than Shin does. And sure, Godzilla wasn't onscreen for most of the film, but whenever he was onscreen he dominated it like Smaug in the Hobbit movies, and he acted like a living, breathing, and most importantly thinking creature, whereas Shin Godzilla is quite literally brain dead in his actions, just moving forward and only attacking when hurt. And even if you want to argue that Shin Godzilla went back to it's roots and had social commentary (which doesn't make a movie good), the original makes it pale in comparison. Not because western audiences don't get the commentary, but because we don't care about the characters in Shin Godzilla, cause they are just there to deliver exposition and be incompetent, while in the original film we actually got to know and care about the characters.

[@alolanpoppzillio1660]

"I don't like Shin Godzilla, he's too different from the original Godzilla" Every Godzilla after the Original/1954 is completely different

[@omniviewer2115]

You do realize I have never said that, right? Not once, in this video or any other. Or is that just a general argument you hear from other people?

[@alolanpoppzillio1660]

Omni Viewer general argument from other people

[@omniviewer2115]

Okay, just making sure. I've had far too many people lump me in with the "bad because different" crowd, so I wanted to be sure.

[@SaurianStudios1207]

Omni Viewer suddenly people say that you don't like Pacific Rim Uprising because it's different

[@kelanbaron7485]

...not really. the only difference is the feel. (also, i don't remember Godzilla shooting lasers out of his tail and back in the first movie or the other movies.)

[@royblekman8186]

I like Legendary Godzilla (2014) far better. Cant wait for Godzilla king of the monsters.

[@somedudewhodraws9377]

FUCK YEH U KNOW IT! The freaking west is making godzilla their king right now and the east is having major trouble right now!

[@anthonyjordanmoviesandmore2470]

Godzilla's Revenge: I'm the worst Godzilla movie ever Godzilla city on the edge of battle : hold my dr. pepper

[@rivalstein2769]

Yes I’d rather take the goofy Godzilla’s Revenge over the soulless city on the edge of battle.

[@jackshottenkirk5835]

True that. At least Godzilla's revenge has something for the viewer to laugh at. City on the edge of battle doesn't give the viewer anything at all that's funny, emotional, creative or even remotely good, and when they try it, they just fall right on their face.

[@The-X-Territory]

Don’t put the greatest drink in the history of mankind into the hands of one of the worst films ever made!

[@kasaibouF29]

Ichiro would kick Haruo's ass.

[@seagullman87]

I enjoyed Shin Godzilla as a science fiction / political satire kind of movie than the Legendary film, which felt more like a by-the-numbers origin story for Legendary's Godzilla universe. That said, in a fight between the two monsters, the Legendary version would come out on top, on the simple fact that it can fire its atomic breath without being forced into a two-week coma afterwards.

[@fnglert]

I see your arguments about Shin lacking personality and agree with them. However, another viewpoint is that by making Shin the way he is, makes him more alien and more terrifying. I'm not saying that's the right way to do it, but for me personally, it worked. G14 is a better character. Shin is a more terrifying monster.

[@epicjonny155]

You did a better job than gojira5400

[@Godzillakingofkaiju1]

Yeah, it's almost like the guy has a massive hateboner for Shin Godzilla just... because. At least with Omni, he knows when to get it over with and push it aside.

[@daappyork5935]

Ian Greene I’m sure he did leaps and bounds better the gojira5400. I’m not gonna watch this video, as I honestly think 2014 vs 2016 is a dead horse. I stand by what I think.

[@Tenebrio-Morio]

Ian Greene I wish I had that same level of maturity.

[@GojillerVorage02]

Indeed. Gojira5400's video was just bias and had barely any good reasons to say why 2014 was better. Hell, even before the movie came out he hated the fuck out of shin godzilla. But my boi omni actually knows how to make points and not be so bias all the time.

[@daappyork5935]

Roblox BDSM And more we meet once again my friend. Welcome. (This is starting to get weird) I agree. I love shin, and I still love Omni viewer, mainly because he doesn’t base his channel around Shin Godzilla hate. Btw what’s your opinion on Shin Godzilla and Godzilla monster planet?

[@marksharkwalker8152]

I concede defeat Omni. I loved both movies, and I still kind of like Shin more, but I find myself agreeing with all the character points you made. Maybe it’s the design and visuals that sway me more toward Shin? Maybe it is because you can actually see Shin even when it’s night. I dunno and at this point I guess I’m rambling a bit. The way I see it, both films could learn from each other. The actors, with a few exceptions, in legendary could be a bit more energized while those in Shin need more fleshed out. Shin could use a kaiju fight or two, and legendary would do better if we could clearly see Godzilla whenever he’s on camera. What it comes down to for me is that they are both Godzilla and I will always love Godzilla, both the high and low points. Besides, you will never truly grasp the greatest if you don’t have the worst for comparison.

[@gojizillakong]

Mark Sharkwalker you do realize that Kanji is the Japanese characters, right? Perhaps you mean Kaiju

[@marksharkwalker8152]

Thanks for pointing that out. I think autocorrect changed it on me.

[@joseystrife8780]

I'm on team Legendary 100% but i couldn't agree with you more personally i think Shin Godzilla atleast in his final form should've had a personality more like GMA Godzilla i mean he looks like death and destruction made flesh and the embodiment of Hell i for one think he would've been perfect for a horror genre movie rather than a political thriller but that's just my opinion

[@Blackbirdofheaven]

@Mark Sharkwalker I think in the new Godzilla movie: king of the monster, they will fix these issues! Let’s hope for it! I loved both shin and legendary Godzilla for different reason! They’re both amazing

[@dinoguy163]

1:31 And ironically It’s been confirmed that the Showa Godzilla has gills

[@tannerbruning868]

I do agree that I found it hard to relate to anyone on shin Godzilla “though that is part of it being mostly aimed at a Japanese audience” but the major problem was that we didn’t SEE anybody die, we are constantly told,people are dying but we never really see it. And I definitely agree that shin doesn’t do fucking anything

[@Godzillakingofkaiju1]

Tanner Bruning Yeah. At least the 2014 film showed people dying onscreen and wasn't afraid to do so. That's kinda why that movie had more of an impact.

[@tannerbruning868]

Ian Greene I feel it also hurts the message. The point of the movie is that the Japanese government is slow and ineffective and it’s costing lives. So when we don’t SEE it costing lives, the ineffectiveness leaves no impact

[@Godzillakingofkaiju1]

That's also why the 1954 movie was so much more effective. We saw people dying at the hands of Godzilla, we saw people dying after Godzilla's attack, we even saw people mourning after the attack. Shin Godzilla fails because it doesn't really show people dying nor the impact. Though we DO get to see people dying onscreen but it's like maybe, I dunno, two or three. In the original '54 movie, GMK, and 2014 Legendary movie, the sight of people dead, dying, or even traumatized was more impactful because we weren't seeing Asshole Victims get their comeuppance, they were just people trying to live out their daily lives and they were only punished just for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Y'know, it's kinda sad when an American-produced Godzilla movie from three years back has more gravitas than a movie that came out two years after from Toho.

[@thenumbah1birdman]

We actually DO see people die in Shin. We see the PM and the Japanese cabinet die, we see a family die, and we see at least 1 tank crew get killed.

[@thenumbah1birdman]

Well, the Japanese cabinet in the chooper was about 13, we see a family of three get killed, we also see a rotting corpse amongst some rubble, and at least one type 10 MBT got crushed by Godzilla when he flings a bridge at them. We see 2 B2 bombers get chopped in half, while the 3rd is also presumably destroyed (though we don't see it so I don't count it). That brings the kill count to 24 on-screen. In G2014, we have at least 10 people killed by the female MUTO during the Nuke raid, two janjira workers getting squashed by the male MUTO, and we see Mrs. Brody and her team die, as well as Joe. That's 18 kills.

[@maniacalclefable1354]

I prefer Shin Godzilla, because kamata-kun is best boi and Shin Godzilla truly feels like a natural disaster at points, not reacting to the military, and adapts to his situation with no emotion. Also the characters are not supposed to be great, and even then, they aren’t horrible. The characters aren’t really supposed to be relatable, because they are more like parts of a machine. In this way I feel the film is quite ingenious. Sure, this film has flaws, but I prefer Shin Godzilla to the MonsterVerse Godzilla trilogy. However, I think 2014 is my preferred movie. I’d say legendary is my preferred design, but Shin I think is a more interesting incarnation. 2014 beats Shin, but I still think Shin Godzilla is better than Legendary’s interpretation of the character. *( also Kayoko Ann Patterson is hot ngl )*

[@Jagermeister-wy9yl]

1:54-2:15 That’s Literally What I Said And Thought During The Minecraft vs Fortnite Debate

[@pixelrex2205]

No actually Godzilla 2014's feet make perfect sense to hold up it's body.

[@Acen2036]

Also When Legendary Godzilla Had A Building Fall On Him And Was On The Ground He Gave Ford Brody An Expression Saying “I’m sorry I failed you.”

[@Godzilla1282]

I disagree that the PM has no redeeming qualities. He is obviously very devoted to his people. He is unwilling to sacrifice civilian lives to do military strikes (it could be argued this is a bad decision but it is still shows he has a sense of humanity about him even when giving orders from a situation room). He even argues that even though he is in danger when Godzilla is approaching that he should not leave to make his own escape. It is only after others plead him to leave saying that he can't afford to be lost that he reluctantly agrees. The PM I think is more a well meaning very devoted leader who is hampered by the system of bureaucracy that Japan has. I was very saddened to see him die because of this. Yaguchi is able to do better because his team does not need to go through all those political hurdles to execute simple actions. That said, you're right that we still don't really know that much about him.

[@jtcob8486]

No joke I had an argument on Reddit almost 3 days ago that of people who think Omni was too generous about ford (which I disagreed with) and then there were people who think he hates shin Godzilla for no reason (which are probably people who have never seen his videos) and said he was a 2014 fanboy (which is stupid). Then it turned into an argument of whether or not Omni is full of himself when he meets people in real life (which is hopefully not true).

[@myst1741]

I agree with the character points. But i still enjoyed Shin. I however really liked how Godzilla was portrayed by legendary. Big reason is the fact it felt like a character, and i like Godzilla being this kind of neutral monster that hunts other monsters. Rather than Godzilla being the HERO or the Villain like he was in older films. Heisei's godzilla is my favorite for the same reason. Heisei Godzilla does some heroic stuff. But every time, it''s been in the pursuit of another monster, and leaves when the Monster is dead or flee's. As it doesn't really care about humans. it's more akin to protecting earth itself, or simply being territorial. I feel Legendary films captured what i personally loved about Godzilla, and americanized it. I do feel it spent to much time following the humans around, but this is basically a setup for films to come. So i'm willing to forgive it for that. Shin had nno interesting side-charaacters, and Shin Godzilla itself was just a monster to be defeated. I do think with more movies to follow it up, Shin Godzilla would get a lot more interesting.. but it still needs more to flesh it out.

[@bro-be3bd]

You're the improved Gojira5400.

[@miguelversestudios4309]

Shin Godzilla vs Godzilla monsterverse Who will win Who will lose Who side are you on

[@Godzilla-tu2cd]

Miguelverse Studios it doesn't matter to me I like them both

[@miguelversestudios4309]

David Brown I know me too, but this for the people that keep debate for this

[@Tenebrio-Morio]

Miguelverse Studios legendary godzilla is about 251 million years old, has plenty of battle experience, and survived a point blank meteor strike in his prequel comics, he has the upper hand in a battle, but doesn't have any reliable method to permanently kill shin.

[@miguelversestudios4309]

Optimus Prime how

[@miguelversestudios4309]

Optimus Prime I know but he will say it

[@stevecorum3094]

I am glad that you don't make a big huss over why you don't like shin Godzilla as much as Gojira5400. You also have better reasons to not like it

[@macwade2755]

Great video Omni!

[@samrizzardi2213]

Honestly, Shin Godzilla was running on the fumes of the far superior "Return of Godzilla" in terms of tackling contemporary issues and portraying Godzilla as a vicious yet melancholy monster.

[@946]

I always thought of Legendary as an Action Movie while Shin was resembling more of a Horror Movie. Two different genres of movies depicting Godzilla.

[@gordhanx]

This was a really great video. While I knew you would be negative on Shin, but I give you a lot of credit on actually going deep in, and analyse why you dislike it and how it contrasts to it's counterpart. It's very mature and well explained. Probably one your best videos yet. Great job man.

[@NathanMarchandAuthor]

Godzilla in the 1954 film has no stated motivation. He just comes ashore and devastated Tokyo. Any motivation he has is implied at best. Is he an animal or a wrathful god? We’re never told. Shin Godzilla is like that.

[@OpenPhoenix]

About fans saying that godzilla 2014s arms being too small I wouldn't say so seeing that he used them pretty effectively against the mutos.

[@xsogon8473]

The flaws you said about Ford are actually good character traits

[@rickyrackey7930]

Maybe if he was played by someone like Adam Driver or Christian Bale, he would have gotten a better reputation by fans

[@lukewilliams3321]

I like both movies, but you make some great points about Godzilla 2014 being better!

[@ohkimsoon]

2014 SUCKS AND IS BORING SHIN BETTER OMINI VEIWER IS WRONG

[@seemjay9171]

tua thau Chill butthurt shin fan

[@rickyrackey7930]

@@ohkimsoon Fuck off

[@Godzillawolf1]

To highlight the point: Shin killing the PM and the rest of the politicians became a meme in Japan.

[@GojillerVorage02]

You are one of the few people that can actually make good points about this debate, and have done a pretty damn good job as well. And I also want to shout out the people in the comment section too for not going completely ape shit over this. Though I do prefer shin over 2014, I do agree with all your points. It's rare for someone to sit down and talk about stuff like this without all the fanboyism,hate, and just overall being toxic about it. You got yourself a sub my dude.

[@omniviewer2115]

Glad to have you aboard.

[@Godzilla-tu2cd]

I like both versions of godzilla and I'm happy to see both of these creatures stories continue also that whole why did he prayed thing really he has to show his respect to the recently decided it doesn't matter what religion you believe in just show your respect also we don't need to know his back story we got enough he's interested in politics but he doesn't want to be prime minister yet godzilla show up he's interested in him why is he intrested in godzilla maybe trying to understand him how he works and how to beat him at least this character is way more interesting than ford besides you got to understand the prime minister was out of his league he doesn't know how to handle giant monster attacks so the best plan is to have a group of misfits and outcasts to discover how to stop godzilla and it works

[@moviedudexd5579]

I think the problem with the comparison in the first place is the audience. Godzilla 2014 was meant to be for a mainstream audience while Shin Godzilla was meant for the Japanese audience. The reason why the characters in the 2014 movie were more relatable because it's meant to appeal to everyone. Shin Godzilla on the other hand was supposed to invoke the Fukushima disaster and other natural disasters that have plagued Japan in recent memory. It's supposed to shock the Japanese viewer and remind them of the horror that was Fukushima but most foreigners wouldn't get that as they never experienced it. As for politicians in the movie, they are supposed to be unrelatable. In real life who actually relates to their politicians? In the U.S. we don't trust our politicians and I think the same can be said for Japan. Overall I think its depends on what you're looking for in a Godzilla movie.

[@jewelofbeauty]

In addition, in Legendary’s Godzilla, I really like when he looked at Ford “eye to eye” then disappeared into the smoke. I also loved how he could sneak up on characters and even the MUTOs so silently. He was like a natural predator much like we see in top animals today. Over all, I could relate to this movie much better.

[@rickyrackey7930]

He’s also missing a few more criticisms that the films share after “Too many changes making this an unfaithful adaptation.” 1. Main Character is too boring 2. Godzilla looks different 3. Interesting character gets killed off 4. No action

[@kasaibouF29]

@@rickyrackey7930 Which interesting character in Shin Godzilla got killed off like Joe Brody?

[@rickyrackey7930]

@@kasaibouF29 The PM. I heard people had a problem with it.

[@kasaibouF29]

Actually Rando saw livestreams of Shin Godzilla's 1st form and thought it was sea monster since it looked serpentine, but still, Ford > Rando.

[@323starlight]

I think you kind of missed the point entirely with Shin Godzilla. The movie was made to be a satire of Japanese politics. How for everything they do, they have to consult experts, they have a procedure for this, they have to have a committee for this, a ceremony. That's literally how Japanese politics are. And it's also how a world as modern as ours would realistically react to the sudden appearance of a giant monster. America would just be Kill it and get it over with, but that's not Japan. Japan is more "what is this, how do we deal with this?" And so on.

[@michaeldorsey9231]

He gets the point, he just finds it to be a poor backdrop for a monster flick.

[@ultimato8885]

You finally did it.

[@fishingwithkirby3989]

The whole point of shin is that you don't know what he's thinking, what's his motivation is, what is desire is, what the full extent of its power is, you can't tell what it's feeling it just stares. Not at anything in particular but just stares, it doesn't even blink. Shin is cosmic horror (the fear of unknown or unknowable) and he is literally in every way a abomination that should not exists but yet does because of some ungodly force. The whole point of him is that you don't understand him at all, he's a mystery. Something I've learned is that the less information you give the audience the more interested they will be in it and will want to watch more to find out the answers. with horror giving them less information makes the scary thing more scary simply because you have no idea what it's desires or abilities are like going up against a really hard boss for the first time. you dread the encounter because you don't know what you're up against. THAT is the reason shin is the way he is. you're not suppose to have a clear idea of what he is, you just know what he is capable of. Shin gojira and legendary gojira are opposites, one is a abomination while the other is natural. there whole design are so very different and yet very alike. wither you think one or the other is better is not important because both are successful movies that brought back godzilla.

[@SaurianStudios1207]

I know you don't have amazing art skills, but man that thumbnail looks really good. Also i don't think comparing shin godzilla to godzilla 2014 is 100% fair, becasue they are still different kaiju movies, but i love Both of them. This comparison (at least how you did it) was great though.

[@lustyhumble5828]

Looking objectively, 2014 is the better film, subjectively, Toho's is more enjoyable and replayable.

[@Altarahhn]

Nice work, Omni! I love how you stated your point in a professional manner, well done! As an addendum regarding Shin's lack of personality: I feel like Anno and Higuchi were so focused on making Godzilla an Unstoppable, Unsettling and Unfathomable being... that they forgot this was Godzilla, not an Angel. Then again, I haven't watched either Shin Godzilla nor Evangelion, so feel free to take my words with a grain of salt.

[@SaurianStudios1207]

1:14 one other thing that the 2 movies share: people are SO stupid that they complain about the stupidest things and criticisms which make no sense

[@jebpleb1803]

I'm pretty sure the chicken crossed the road for no reason

[@randallb84]

remember, Shin Gojira was written to partially reflect the Japanese govt response to the Fukuoka disaster (spoilers, it wasn't a very well executed response). And as it was written more for a Japanese audience, the character issues you discus don't fully reflect how they view them. I'll focus on the comment of him viewing politics as "straightforward", that, combined with the way those he works with treat him during the beginning of the movie (as someone who needs to be looked after less he mess up again) is meant to convey his naivete. He is straightforward and easy going, and that's how he sees the world, even giving up his chance of "glory" by refusing to name the final operation after himself (I loved that they used the original army mobilization theme during that scene). The praying scene mentioned is more of a cultural thing, its meant to show that he cares for others and their deaths. I do agree that some of the characters portrayal is not the greatest, I feel that this is mainly due to the rushed feeling of the movie, which as intended to be seen as a almost panic to do "something" but kinda screwed with the pacing, and how we perceive the characters as we didn't get to know them. His portrayal could also have been intentional, as he had no truly defining characteristics he was basically just another office drone, a face in the crowd.......the every-man. An archetype that would let those who work jobs not too different to his to place themselves in his shoes, and be the guy who steps up, who has the plan. The smartest? no, The best? no. But the dedicated one, the one who is there, and the one with the can do attitude. Shin Gojira is more a natural disaster movie then a kijou movie. But this is more just my opinion of the such. Personally in the 2014 one, i didn't like Brody, felt he was a flat character with plot armor. But the kijou smack down was fun. I liked both movies. Do like the reviews though, keep it up.

[@marcosfaundez8013]

I personally like both movies equally. I know I’ve been told I have too low expectations, but I digress. I honestly don’t agree with arguements that one is better than the other. Both movies have flaws, both have strongpoints. Plus, I do like the designs very much. But that’s just my opinion

[@briankelly3335]

I'm a godzilla fan and love all Godzilla movies no matter how bad they are

[@nordicnugz]

I'm partial to legendary, but I actually enjoyed both movies pretty evenly. I do agree with your thoughts about the lack of characterization. But I think this is one of those things where you need to like a movie for what it is and not for what it lacks from the other. What I really enjoyed from shin was that there wasn't a single person hero. It's more about how the government and their protocol reacts to an unprecedented catastrophe. Every advancement is made by teams working together, and discussed by groups before being put into motion, with careful consideration for the population. But I think legendary did an amazing job at portraying godzilla as an ancient being. You can tell he's an old soul. But a good review with valid points! :)

[@blackestyang7528]

From the moment you compared the human characters I knew exactly the trap you fell into, conflating a character's story with a character's character. Let's conduct the same test that was used to compare the Star Wars prequels with the OT; describe a character without talking about their job, their background, or anything circumstantial (I might be fudging the exact wording here). Describe the character and not their story Shin Godzilla has 1. the new-blooded optimist who wants a black and white view of the world 2. the more jaded mentor figure 3. the deadpan no nonsense lady 4. the spunky and flirtatious girl 5. the overly excited hyper dork and it was interesting seeing all of them degrading as the film went on Godzilla 2014 has 1. the tortured soul committed to the truth (who dies in the first act) 2. the person who understands sacrifice for the greater good (Steinz, minor character) 3. the nature-respecting guy (but major chara Serizawa is not) 4. Ford is uh...the main character Godzilla 2014 left me on such a high note compared to when I first watched Shin Godzilla, but tbh 2014 has not aged well for me while Shin Godzilla actually got better when I rewatched it And oh yeah, 2014's design is actually anatomically closer to what a real Godzilla would be: tree trunk like feet to support its weight, a small head to body ratio representative of true gigantism, and comparatively small dorsal fins to assist in hydrodynamics. Godzilla 2014 isn't fat, just "correctly" proportioned to what a real Godzilla would be

[@xsogon8473]

Blackest Yang you spent so long on this and you only got 3 likes and no comments Rip

[@kasaibouF29]

4. Ford is the family man. I think the test you're referring to was from Plinkett's reviews, but that test is flawed for a myriad of reasons. One of which is forgetting the one thing in character writing, consistency. A character's story and character (which can be goals, motivation, or personality) are what consists of a character. How much is enough to determine if a character is flat or round is usually done by comparison. What Omni did was found the characters of 2014 to be more rounded when compared to the characters of Shin. And since you brought up the Star Wars Prequels and the Originals, let's conduct the same test to compare the Star Wars OT with the Sequels. The OT has 1. A young man seeking adventure to become a jedi knight to rescue a princess and fight against a fascist government (Luke) 2. An old man seeking to rebuild the jedi by tearing down the empire and propping up a new generation (Obi Wan) 3. A man seeking payment for a smuggling job (Han Solo) 4. A woman seeking to protect innocent people (Leia) 5. A man in a suit seeking to prevent the rebellion from destroying the empire's ultimate weapon (Darth Vader) 6. A man seeking redemption for his mistakes (Lando) 7. An old man seeking to turn our young hero to the dark side and maintain his empire (Palpatine) These people go on journeys and their actions reflect their interests until their interests are met or changed by events, events that are caused by choices other people make based on their own interests. These interests are better when they are consistent with their characteristics. This generates a plot and the strong spine of a story. Now what do the Sequels have? 1. A girl waiting for her family and joins a resistance and pulls off amazing feats without any training (Rey) 2. A man who betrays his faction to reduce harm but doesn't bother telling anyone about a superweapon and constantly falls over (Finn) 3. A man who is the "Best Pilot" and gets abused by women for simply wanting to save his comrades (Poe) 4. A girl mourning her sister one second and is bubbly the next second (Rose) 5. A commanding officer who is intimidating one scene and is turned into a rag doll the next (Hux) 6. A chrome officer who looks cool but is actually a coward (Captain Phasma) 7. A cowardly grump (Luke) 8. A meat puppet (Snoke) 9. A space wizard (Palpatine) Now, I do like watching the Sequels, but they are objectively poorly written films.

[@allhailthedarkprismarine2994]

“Godzilla mothra and king ghidorah, giant monsters all out Attack” is the best Godzilla movie ever! Don’t you ever say I’m wrong!

[@remnant95]

You do know that this has absolutely nothing to do with this whatsoever right

[@killaxero86]

Is that yellow and purple t-rex to his left Sauron from the Primal Rage video game from back in the 90s?

[@daikaijutony3534]

Now this is the debatable video between these two movies that deserve the 1.2 million views. Not a video that leans more towards personal bias over basic criticism, with inaccuracies that may or may not be purposeful.

[@tarzantabi7845]

it really annoys me how everybody worships shin godzilla like it is a masterpiece when the truth is that it is far from it. godzilla 2014 is also heavily flawed but its still way better in technically and in terms of enjoyment I definetly agree with this video good job man!!!!!!!

[@26th_Primarch]

Shin godzilla evolves ... Congratulations shin goji is a Pokemon

[@UltraSenseiHoots]

Very interesting and thought provoking video. Like I said before, I enjoyed both films when I first watched them, but upon second viewing, they both left me cold, so I've been entertained watching everyone sharing their views on the films (especially yours). There's only one aspect of the two films that I've always preferred one over the other, and that's Godzilla himself, being Legendary's rendition. Again, another great video.

[@deadaccount6554]

This is an excellent video, great job! ^^

[@omniviewer2115]

Thanks.

[@deadaccount6554]

Omni Viewer You're welcome. Hey, I was feeling a little curious about something, in the video where you gave your thoughts on the MLP movie, you said you were going to review it when it comes out on DVD, and it came out on DVD over a month ago. So I just wanted to ask if you're still going to review it sometime. And don't worry, I won't force anything, I was just feeling the need to ask. So whatever you're answer is, I'll be okay with that answer.

[@omniviewer2115]

I do intend to. Just have to write it first. I'll try shooting for a release some time in March.

[@deadaccount6554]

Omni Viewer Thank you for your honesty

[@deadaccount6554]

I also want to say that what you said at 2:08 is probably one of the best questions anyone has ever asked.

[@jonservo]

I’m going to offer a way out, bizarre, rebellious, misfit opinion and say that both movies are enjoyable lol. As a Godzilla fan I don’t see why fans of the same thing have to fight over this. I own just about every Godzilla movie made (with the exception of Godzilla’s Revenge lol), I bought Godzilla 2014 and Shin Godzilla as soon as they were available because I liked both for their own particular merits. 2014 is a decent monster romp, and I enjoyed the subtext and political satire of Shin. The vision and intent of both movies is so different I don’t see how one can objectively compare the two, let alone fight over it the way some people are. I think we all have our favorite, and it’s different for each person. I would watch Shin first if I had to choose one or the other, I just enjoyed it more, but that’s me. I liked the point you made that so many criticisms people on both sides make could be said about either movie. They both have flaws, I think fans just go with the one that resonates with them personally. It’s a shame but I don’t think we will get a Shin 2. So many questions you had from the first film would have been answered in the second I think. Oh well... at least we can all agree than Godzilla King of the Monsters looks AWESOME

[@UpFromTheDepths88]

It's much easier to like both.

[@LeonB1987]

I think in terms of favorite and most intense stories my favorite films are Godzilla King of the Monsters, Godzilla Raids again, Godzilla 1985 and Godzilla All Monsters Attack.

[@MonsterSteam]

I honestly like both 2014 and Shin, but for different reasons. Shin wasn’t even made for America in the first place.

[@Brimst0ne6800]

personally, I loved both films and designs of the monsters, both are great in their own ways.

[@nathanielnovawing2041]

Both these films are Good. Not great, Not bad, GOOD, enough said...

[@mwizachihana9551]

6:05. "Anti-Sam Witwicky😆??!"

[@bronumero7334]

Yessssssss.

[@junethefox5834]

I thought 2014 was "meh" and I need to rewatch Shin to get a better idea of it.

[@hellishwerewolf7798]

Wait there are separate fandoms for each film? They do know its possible to like BOTH FILMS! Also i was expecting a theoretical fight between Shin and the legendary film's Godzillas.

[@The_Worst_Of_All]

Godzilla 2014 is better and my favorite

[@extragirth64]

Wow, you made Legendary Godzilla seem even better for me. Thanks! However there is one thing I will never forgive from Legendary Godzilla: reducing the monster fight on Hawaii to a news story on a TV screen. I get it, you want to make the build-up to the final fight satisfying ... *then just make an unsatisfying fight!* Show the audience something goddammit! There was not much the Hawk Muto could do to Godzilla on his own anyways. Sheesh!

[@kasaibouF29]

Well if the fight in Hawaii were unsatisfying, then reducing it to a news story on a TV screen was the best way to go about it.

[@poxy1000]

I think the main reason Shin Godzilla doesn't have much of a personality is because hes a new and evolving species, it probably doesn't possess complex thought as we know it yet, so maybe it was supposed to be part of its character arch through out the series.

[@shakunthalabalaraman7721]

Can you do shin godzilla vs final wars😊

[@Danielathan]

I do not see why people dislike the new models for Godzilla, to me they don't look fat, and actually Godzilla has always had gills even from the very first he's always been a sea dwelling creature with gills. Sure the film's may not have been the best, but the Godzilla models actually aren't that bad. Those who say Godzilla having gills is a big deal obviously don't know Godzilla's history.

[@kaijuzilla1642]

"This is especially well showcased in the sequence where he kills hokmuto, observe" Proceeds to show a black screen

[@supasayajindobber9386]

Watch d man 1954 say the characters are supost to be single minded and not in depth

[@The-X-Territory]

That doesn’t make them good characters.

[@revolutionarycinemaproduct6612]

I never thought i would ever hear the words "...This is why the American godzilla movie is better than the japanese godzilla movie." It really is a great time to be a nerd lol

[@marcosfaundez8013]

I’ve been told you are an actor. Idk is it’s true or not, but if so, which movies?

[@destroyerzilla0154]

Great job, you did a better job then Gojira5400 did and I do agree of your Points you made. I love both Godzilla 2014 and Shin Godzilla but for me personally I perfer Shin Gojira more but that's my own opinion. Then it's time for us Godzilla fans should be entertained and not fight and let's enjoy this franchise to keep going

[@iggycieplinski2082]

I think the characters in 2014 are more flawed than Shin is because 2014 had a bunch of cookie cutter characters. The husband with credentials trying to rescue his wife and kid from peril. The motives in Shin may be shallow but at least they're kinda fresh. The two best characters in 2014 were Serizawa and Joe Brody...who were both vastly under-utilized. Sure, killing Joe provides some motivation for Ford but Ford's military skills are never used in the movie. And, the only things Ford's wife and kid do is hide and be scared. At least Shin actually makes an attempt at a strong female character. While I like 2014 a lot, without Godzilla in it, it'd be Independence Day or Armageddon or any other disaster movie. The best Godzilla movies are the ones that aren't about Godzilla.

[@omniviewer2115]

"The best Godzilla movies are the ones that aren't about Godzilla." The only Godzilla movie I can think of that is not truly about Godzilla is All Monsters Attack, aka Godzilla's Revenge. That movie is 100% about Ichiro and his journey, while Godzilla and the other Kaiju - most of whom only appear through stock footage - are just fabrications playing out scenarios in his mind. Taking your statement at face value means All Monsters Attack is the final word on high quality in the Godzilla series, superior even to the 1954 original. Unless there is more nuance to it, in which case, how do we define something being "about" Godzilla? One of the major critiques from fans upon first viewing was that the 2014 film is not about Godzilla, but rather reduces him to a supporting role. That may be debatable, but you also say above, and I quote: "While I like 2014 a lot, without Godzilla in it, it'd be Independence Day or Armageddon or any other disaster movie." This implies that you, too, believe that G14 is not about Godzilla, but is rather a Disaster film done up to look like a Godzilla film. But you are making your statements to downgrade the the movie's quality, even though it contradicts your closing statement. So are the best Godzilla films about Godzilla or not? And if it's the latter, why do Godzilla films exist at all? "And, the only things Ford's wife and kid do is hide and be scared. At least Shin actually makes an attempt at a strong female character." Would that be the Rei Ayanami clone who gets no development, or the special envoy who turns from a loud American stereotype to a mouthpiece for Japanese nationalism on a dime? The female characters in Shin are exactly the same as the male characters: one note and not even half-realized. Points for equality of the sexes, I guess, but that still doesn't make them interesting characters. One of them is an emotionless exposition source, and the other doesn't have anything interesting revealed about her until the movie is nearly over. Kayoco, in fact, has very little screen time, and what little she gets crams all of the character development in at once, which makes it unnatural. Her presence ultimately adds nothing truly special to the film, and her presence has no personal affect on the other characters at all. Ford's nuclear family might not get the most development or see the most action, but their role in the film makes sense and is not so easily removed. Even if they are only McGuffins, they are McGuffins the protagonist cares about and wants to save, which is automatically a higher level of emotional investment than anything presented in Shin. Though in context, what else are they supposed to do other than hide and be scared? They are civilians, after all; they can't do much of anything else. Their presence provides a face for the masses, and while it may not be the most proactive role in the film, it is still important. "The motives in Shin may be shallow but at least they're kinda fresh. " A stale potato chip is still more edible than a fresh dog turd. Just because something is fresh, new, or different doesn't mean it works as intended, and as you know by now, I don't think any of the new elements in Shin work at all, so I won't repeat myself in this reply.

[@angelafisher8097]

When you were talking about the scenes in Godzilla 2014 that gave Godzilla personality, I was surprised that you didn't mention the scene after Godzilla was trapped under a building where he and Ford Brody have a small moment together and how during that moment, Godzilla briefly closed his eyes in , showing how he might be facing defeat and he somehow understands what Ford is going through. Why didn't you mention this scene?

[@omniviewer2115]

I didn't mention it specifically for two reasons. Firstly, it was not part of the scene where Godzilla kills HokMUTO. There's a bit of space where we catch up with Ford before we get to it. In order for the comparison to the Shin scene to be as fair as possible, I had to make sure the scene in question was self-contained. Counting that moment as part of the HokMUTO scene would have been misrepresenting the sequence of events. Secondly, I feel that scene is best left open to interpretation. It's a very ethereal scene, a moment where the naturalistic mindset slips away and brings Godzilla back to the realm of mythology. As such, I feel it can be read numerous ways, and I wouldn't want to impose any singular interpretation on it. The HokMUTO scene is one I felt was more concrete, where it is crystal clear what Godzilla is thinking and how he feels, so it better served the point I was making. That being said, I did include the scene in my closing statements specifically because I think it is another great example of showing us who this Godzilla is.

[@stefan6347]

I personally love Ford and his awkwardness, I enjoy the film very much because I project myself into him even though I'm not a soldier with a tragic backstory. It makes me on edge as if I'm not sure what I should or going to end up doing because memories of my mother suddenly came back when I met my father again and then losing said father, as well as having my family being in danger by something I've never seen before. You'll be awkward as well if you are constantly in fear of losing your family after your father died. Now do I think this is what director Gareth Edwards intended? Probably not, but it doesn't change the fact that I felt that throughout the movie.

[@PapaDrago]

I think my favorite Godzilla well not exactly I think I love both of the movies and the Godzilla's because they both look awesome their movies are pretty good and love so yeah that's kind of my opinion

[@bromodragone8405]

I like both films. Beat that.

[@jasongray6698]

I liked shin Godzilla more because I got bored in the 2014 movie because I found the characters boring and bland but I found shin Godzillas characters not boring so I liked it more

[@dashzilla9358]

I actually liked Godzilla 2014 and Shin Godzilla for the same reason: they handled the kaiju well for the scenes that were given to them. Both movies had great atmosphere for the kaiju. The former had shown just how massive and powerful the kaiju really are and that their fights can cause serious damage depending on what location they're in. The latter shows just how nightmarish and god-like its kaiju can really be and demonstrates how deadly it can actually (a true god of destruction). While the human stories fall flat in some areas. 2014 gets more points because Cranston performs a little better than some. While Shin just kind of has talking heads. But it's expected when the former and latter are character-driven and plot-driven films. Some have their likes and dislikes... I myself am not picky when it comes to Godzilla. I do have expectations, but not enough to be hyper picky. lol

[@tspro9844]

Can't we just like both?

[@GodzillaTheDestroyer]

Both Godzilla movies are similar but also different, Godzilla 2014 is a character driven action movie but Shin Godzilla is polt driven political satire film but it doesn't matter which one is better I really like them both

[@mwizachihana9551]

I hope Gojira5400 is watching this, and feeling great shame over the dumb excuses he said in his "comparison" video.

[@sanguinemde5031]

Actually, I dont think the Legendary Godzilla looks fat at all. I think he looks very powerfully built. The Shin Godzilla however is fat. If you were to farm him, you would have cottage cheesse for the entire planet for the next decade.

[@SaurianStudios1207]

1:24 I would disagree cause all 5 criticisms are invalid. every other Godzilla has had those traits, besides the gills (its funny how people complain that Godzilla has gills, even though Godzilla would need gills to survive, he is a sea monster after all)

[@gagefarris]

KaijusaurusG2K heck, there are sources saying the Showa Godzilla has gills, even if it’s a coverup for the air holes poked in the suit for the actor to breathe

[@DannyPhantomBeast]

Michael Meyers from the Halloween franchise didn't have a personality, but that was part of the horror. Skilled filmmakers could make a damn good movie with a "no personality" Godzilla.

[@nine9ryu]

Very Nice glad you got that off your plate

[@Zillathegreenkajiu]

Wait I thought it was a battle thing people were doing it I didn't know it was an argument

[@PatrickGalvan91]

Fantastic video!

[@anonymousgoblin792]

Why can’t we all just except other people’s opinions? Both are great *OK.*

[@danielbeck2739]

To add to Omni's point towards the end it's not just how Shin Godzilla begins like Evangelion, but in fact some of the music used is straight from the Evangelion series and some of the movies as well. Granted this was done with Funimation as they have done the more recent Evangelion movies, but I would think they would prefer to stick with music that is more related to Godzilla traditionally then anime. Not saying it doesn't work, in some ways it kinda did, but hearing felt like I was watching some kind of off kilter-ed live action anime adaptation then an actual Godzilla movie. Characters are important, same as plot, but music also helps set the tone of how dramatic scene is to feel or how comedic and light hearten it can be as Guardians of the Galaxy has done. And sadly, not all of the music did that, some of it seemed a bit off key in a few places. And as stated before, it felt like more of a live action anime adaptation then an actual Godzilla film because not only the initial setting, but a number of the characters their presentations, and the music as well. This might have done better if say there had been an actual anime adaptation done using Shin Godzilla as the bases and extending it out as a series as Omni had also pointed out with other anime series starting in similar circumstances. Gives time to know the characters, understand them, and form a bond to some of their struggles. But here, you're not afforded the time to do so. Even trying to understand Godzilla himself is also robbed, for all we know he might have had a reason to do things he did. But there was no time, and he unfortunately ended being less then favorable then Zilla from 1998. And before you say they are nothing alike I'm going to stop you right there and say yes they are and can prove the similarity. Zilla was able to reproduce A-sexually, meaning he didn't need a mate, Shin towards the end had smaller Shin Godzilla creatures starting to sprout from the tip of the tail after it had been frozen. But I'm getting off topic, getting back to Shin Godzilla vs Legendary, the music for Legendary was more on point with giving the feel of just how massive and monstrous the scenes with Godzilla and the MUTOs felt and were. Or the scene involving the HALO jump sequence felt very climatic and jarring as the all you can hear is the breathing as they fall through a storm into a ruined San Francisco with Godzilla fighting the Hawk MUTO. You can't hear the fight itself, but hearing the wind rushing, the heavy breathing through the O2 mask, the flashes of lightning, and the scene of towering monsters battling it out as you see traces of red smoke stream through the clouds leading to this... Yeah, enough said. You get a far better grasp of the gravity of the situation in that then at any point in Shin Godzilla. Only comparable scene in that would be the night scene before and even after the bombing as well some of the aftermath scene, but in essence it falls short to Legendary for the vast majority. And to further add to this, I just recently found and watched a video that was done that listed reasons for why Legendary was better. Oddly enough it also made mention of the soundtrack and had similar remarks to my own. Bare in mind I've never seen this up until now as I was looking at videos involving the new upcoming Godzilla for 2019, looking for anything on what the other monsters are supposed to look like or get a better idea for that. Trailer showed bits and pieces, but trying to get a clue as to what Rodan's and Mothra's abilities are since Godzilla and King Gidorah's powers seen and known by now, and seeing what is to come for the actual Godzilla anime that Netflix has. In fact I believe Marconicus named the creator now looking at it, gojira5400. The only reason I saw this and Goji's was they were on the right hand column of what might be considered comparable videos to material your watching or stuff you have watched in the past and would like to either re-watch or view for the first time. Will say Omni did better at being respective and logical in his explanation then Gojira5400 in comparing for the vast majority, less biases point of view. However Gojira5400 had pointed out exactly what I was pointing out in the music department to some degree, it felt more like a live action anime then an actual Godzilla movie. Not all of it felt original or there were some off keyed scenes in relation to the music they played. And as stated before the night scene and HALO jump scene are the best from both movies and the most comparable. But it's the music that sets that apart. Shin used 3 different songs, all of which flowed well into one another and help set the tone of the situation through out that sequence. But the rest of the movie was a bit off keyed with the music in a number of scenes. Legendary was consistent in their choices for either original material or music that set the tone for the scene. The one thing I will give Shin is acting, there was better acting consistently through out Shin then Legendary, especially with their leads. Other then that Legendary wins rest of the categories out of consistency then Shin.

[@chichiboypumpi]

The 1954 Gojira will always be the best, but my money goes to Legendary over shin gojira, some people seemed to have been fapping to Giger when they designed it, hate me but I prefer the 1998 Godzilla over shin gojira, story telling as well

[@dantewhite9117]

I have a theory about Shin Godzilla, while my proof isn't concrete, nor is it inexcusable for the movie, it's just my thoughts. For the longest time, I couldn't figure out why it came ashore, but I believed I've found the answer. It was said that Godzilla was feeding on nuclear waste for 60 years, that material changed it into a completely new, self evolving, and unpredictable organism. Once Godzilla was done feeding under the sea, it came ashore, probably sensing a new food source. While it crawling, it was (supposedly) consuming organic material. As for its movements, it was probably on a predetermined course, possibly to a nuclear source, but was saw, it was moving too slow. So it stopped to evolve. Then as it "walked", continuing its present course, it was forced to stop because its body was overheating. Once it reached a high temperature, it fled to cool down. Once it cooled down, (and evolved again) it resumed it's predetermined course. If not in Tokyo, at least somewhere passed it. While still having little to no intelligence, it still reacted if it felt like it was in actual danger (Stealth Bomber and Train Bomb scenes). As for its self recharging of atomic energy, weeks of sleep like that would charge me up too. Also after it expelled its atomic energy, it tried to keep moving before completely stopping in its tracks due to overheating again. Still, in the end, this is all just an unsaid theory.

[@323starlight]

I personally liked both movies. One is a monster fight movie, the other a monster/political satire movie.

[@Geek_Chorus]

I've always had a soft spot for Godzilla's revenge. It was quite cool seeing Monster Island when I was a kid. Minya was kinda ridiculous though.

[@chichiboypumpi]

Legendery by far, is the best Godzilla incarnation for me