On Niji ex-ID being underfunded | Reza Avanluna

[@handonamari4859]

Sometimes I just think that they are too good to be true. They are still here despite lacking in financial support or any support in general. I really want them to make content comfortably. But that can only happen if they get enough support..

[@prohanta9360]

it's not lacking money support from company, it just how not many of their audience donating/superchatting, members or adsense for nijiID. their main income is from that. they are basically employee, if they don't bring money, the company won't invest, it's simple business. that's the reason why nijiEN got better support because surprisingly, they made money (luxiem for example was top superchat in 2021 iirc). also iirc, even some nijiEN still have main job since they occasionally mentioned it. also i think the reason why they still in niji because the connection, once they graduate or become indie, it's difficult to them to reach niji members. i just think how nijisanji "traditional" approach to ID livers and audience just didn't work

[@gumlilei7591]

@@prohanta9360 It's not always from donation, voice content and merch is also one of their source of income. And they barely got merch and voice content AFTER the merge. If all of it comes from donation, then ID lads would be lacking on money way before the merge since they barely got donation even way before, but they started voicing this problem after the merge instead.

[@gumlilei7591]

I remember hana said that if you want to support your oshi financially, then buy their voice content and merch rather than super chat because they got a lot more from that. Or if you really want to donate, then don't do superchat (youtube cut it up to 30% of it) but do it from other platforms. In ID case it's sociabuzz, idk about EN though

[@corruptpixel8441]

No nijisanji liver gets support, they get a free outfit and 3D but events, more outfits and songs are all from their own pocket unless it gets sponsored or is for an official project, that applies to all branches, Selen has spoken about how much she has spent on tournaments, same for the old NJU or the latest project sekai tournament from JP were all paid by the livers themselves

[@hudrowportnof4058]

@@gumlilei7591 Layla and Siska got physical merch after the merge. We also now have welcome goods. Before the merge, individual livers had barely anything There are valid reasons to dislike anycolor, but let's not stoop so low to spread straight up lies here The ID fanbase's hate boner for anycolor is ridiculous at this point. Even the title of this clip is misleading

[@KRNNT-]

Man... He's so brave talking about this. He talked very carefully of course. But it still could go wrong as internet is a scary place. Kudos for him.

[@corruptpixel8441]

It already went wrong, all liver projects including music, tournaments and outfits (outside the first one) are paid by themselves, always been like this

[@KRNNT-]

@@corruptpixel8441 When one of the advantage of being in a company are those... They're almost not much different than indie imo...

[@ikkizy6527]

Well someone have to do this

[@KhoiruunisaRF]

@@KRNNT- The main thing that people want when joining major labels or companies is usually law protection. It's easier to have access to law protection when you're with the company than going alone.

[@iuhjg4tsx]

The timing of getting this clip recommended after the latest news is painful. I hope everyone finds success and happiness, wherever they end up.

[@SadPartyCat]

Yeah....

[@vkarvanzer4243]

And 2 months later, 4 of them announce their graduation. 4 OGs that made me watch Nijisanji at all.

[@AriadneIvy]

I watch ID even before the merge. In my point of view, as a branch, they are successful (with being very interactive with viewers and from official events/clips/webtoon). After the merge, everything went downhill... No new voice contents, less and less exposure... Even right after the merge, some viewers began to jealous (or rather, badmouth) towards EN because they have the most exposure. Also, many ID viewers not giving superchats as much as EN, I think because the viewers themselves also have to save money for living (myself included). Still, this financial thing makes me sad.

[@wakuasa9710]

I don't agree with your opinion about ID fans. Jealous is a kind of aggressive word; at least I haven't seen anyone act like that. EN livers just got what they deserve as members of niji, we just hope our oshi can be treated like that. As for the donation, I think the real problem is, like you said, their exposure is less and less, only the loyalist fans choose to stay. It's not strange that their donation couldn't compare with EN. (sorry for the grammar I'm not a native speaker) and I feel sad about it too, don't forget to give yourself a hug and touch some grass!

[@ausgod538]

@@wakuasa9710 Nothing to do with this. ID never was as popular as EN even when staff-san ID and the branch existed and they had investment. EN in one year did more money than ID did in 3 years as a branch, thats unfortunately the state it was.

[@lukeuserclips]

Yeah, I'm gonna miss new waves and events like Virtual Summit. At least the KR graduations seems to have slowed down I haven't seen any ID fans dislike EN. Interestingly I have seen a few EN fans dislike Luxiem for being too popupular, but that was a while ago so hopefully the infighting has stopped now Reza did talk about being a content creator in a third world country, but I didn't include it here. He thought the same thing that EN and JP fans have more disposable income than ID

[@prohanta9360]

@@wakuasa9710 EN member treated for global audience who can speak english while ID treated for ID audience. let's say, the their viewership doesn't lie. EN does catch more fishes while ID didn't. if ID didn't bring fishes, the company won't invest. as you guys said, the donation they got didn't convince the company enough to put it back to the livers. you can pretty much listen to him literally telling to donate to livers, means, he knows they lack of it. at the end of the day nijiID been years and they still didn't bring decent viewership, company won't risk it more. it's sad but that's how company works

[@ausgod538]

@@lukeuserclips I think every KR who wanted to leave alraedy did prior merger or after. KR is doing better post emrger imo

[@kisho4519]

ID is the most passionate branch for me. They are doing projects and quality contents even tho they don't get enough back. And i'm honestly so proud for them. I know some of them will give it up for more real opportunities but seeing them still fighting for content creation is enough to make me feel their passionate intentions on what they are doing. I really hope they thrive, even if its in niji or outside niji. I support them w all my heart.

[@Scionofgreyhaven]

ID deserves so much more Please show them all the love, They are a super important part of Nijisanji and Vtubers

[@tajeemcmuffin]

I feel kinda sad everytime i watch the boys of the EN branch and then i see Reza's numbers. He is really good, i love his music. I wish he and others from the ex-ID branch would get the appreciation they deserve. Also he is really brave for talking about this, i hope he wont get bonked for it.

[@Cosmoman78]

This is what I don't like about Niji management. Their strat is to recruit as MANY as they can, the one who is successful get MAXIMUM support & exposure, while the one who's not successful just being left in the dust with life support, either they maintain their life there, or unplug the cable themselves. They only give a F if you are succesful.

[@augustkoyos]

Frfr

[@Ninomiya-Mariko]

yes!!! i hate that niji keeps debuting new talents even when their latest ones just appeared few months ago, resulting in the company having a large quantity of talents but has mismanagements too

[@corruptpixel8441]

Not true at all, for JP they promote all talents via shows, the radio programs, etc For EN they basically do the same but with merch, collabs and sponsored streams

[@Cosmoman78]

@@corruptpixel8441 Thats because both of tbe branches you mentioned are pretty successful. Look what happened to most of KR & ID after merge.

[@EL-ls6nx]

@@corruptpixel8441 this is a lie. Harusaki Air from JP never really get exposure or even promotion for the rest of 3 years he debuted until he reaches 100k and then he started getting New outfit. FIRST outfit in 3 YEARS.

[@FiredAndIced]

Me from the future (when this video was published). This video did not age well, even Reza left Nijisanji, and when Selen Tatsuki (of Nijisanji EN) spectacularly was terminated in what is the agency's most scathing notice to date, a lot of people now realized that the internal corporate structure in Nijisanji is very typical Japanese corporate structure: you don't get support from the get go you debuted (you pay for your debut), your projects are tied to how valuable you are to their shareholders, and expect a lot of pushback because their "management" are both under equipped (6-8 talents *per* manager), and consequently ill-fated (most of Nijisanji EN management left late 2022 to pursue a failed cryptocurrency startup), not to mention a lot of their staff are interns being asked to do three man jobs (talent liaison, translator, essentially "runners" for the whole company).

[@__jnn]

with the current news, it seems that 4 nijiID members (i dont like to use the word ex-ID sorry not sorry) hit their last straw. we all saw it coming but still… it’s so sad and upsetting

[@augustkoyos]

Ngl I miss their Niji ID projects stuffs

[@Cid-Ivalice]

yeah the randomness, especially projects during ramadhan month. gonna miss that

[@berrykiiim2615]

All niji ex-ID already feel exhausted to being treated unfairly. No exposure, no promotions, and all they ask is little bit of a help for their projects. They never got the support that they deserved from the agency and it's really sad. We already know who is the golden child of niji at this point.

[@corruptpixel8441]

All nijisanji livers projects are funded by themselves, unless is sponsored or management decides to take care of it, for example koshien is sponsored but the project sekai tournament wasn't, that came from yashiro's pocket, same for the WWE tournament, that came from Selen's pocket. the same applies to outfits outside the free 50K ones ID was promoted but at the same time the very same livers wanted to have a smaller fanbase, the branch could've been more popular if Hana didn't wanted to be less popular due to imposter syndrome for example

[@pangolin_aed5617]

Before EN happen EX ID enough support by management. Don't say Golden child that Golden child this. Just support your oshi even watch them is enough.

[@Fln_9758]

@@corruptpixel8441 well I saw you keep comment about this, like ID fault that keep wanting the smaller base & mostly just by making an example by comparing only Hana & Mika. I assume that coz u only depends & looking from EN market only While honestly I also a bit disappointed about Hana that lessens her popularity, but I just want to say there some other complex problems since before the merging happens. And what Hana already done, it doesn't meant it's applied to most of ID like that coz not all seems to be like that. First other than Hana & Mika, actually some ID members have a different specialist market. Mostly coz of languages, some coz of environment. For languages it's true there are ID who can speak 3 language, but it's actually pretty few. Hana is the one who real fluent & Bonnie who can speak in JP from the first. The others are still learning by taking lessons or by themselves after already being ID livers like Nara, Derem, Zea, Cia and Taka (maybe Reza too, from how he was in Nagi's streams. From his freetalk if I'm not mistaken, he said he actually still learning by himself & still needs to type it first on google translate). There are also who are not really fluent in EN too. But sometimes some of them are still trying to collab & involved in international collab/event (Coz I saw some comments who compared ID & KR by saying most of all ID already can speak 3 language unlike KR. It's not really true just like what I said before) I saw some of people said that this is also ID branch weakness, some of them are confused on the market they're going to choose & even despite they already choose their market target, they haven't learn the market environment really well where it makes them still unrecognizable. The other reasons are the rumor who was make from rival fans outside Niji ID fans. Actually it's already happened since before merge, but I started to bring this after the merge due it turns out pretty wild than what I thought before & some of them believe on it without any evidence. Mostly they said ID members are like to bashed off their viewers, being like elite who doesn't want to talk others people beside who subscribed to their membership, etc. Where since the merge, you can easily find this comment on almost all Indonesian video who brings the ID & KR merging topic. And they said all of the ID like that, also some of comments are like agreed on that. But when I asked how it happened to all of them, they don't really answer clearly. Unfortunately in that comment it's pretty few of Niji fans that really clarify/ask them. Last time there's the time I bring about this in some comments before. It turns out some of the reply are feeling the same & what making me sad there are who also believe on that rumor, later they learn that's not true & then become a fans of Niji ID

[@Fln_9758]

Sorry for the long reply post but still actually there's a lot of problems & reasons to say. It can't only just by saw Hana & Mika situation alone. But for what the ID fans disappointed coz they just merge & don't really do promoting really well after the merge in Indonesia. And while & after the merge, there are some of vtuber from indie & rival company who started to make vtuber in Indonesia trend again. And some of influencer are taking interest in this field. But unfortunately it turns out after the merge are coz more people who bashed Niji fans for just keep following & supporting them. Even when I commenting just about explain about a liver in Niji ID not something about merging, they said nonsense about why I keep watching them. The company & the livers are different things, I hate that when it comes of the company make the bad things sometimes they talk bad about the livers. Fortunately now after the trends not as big as that time, it's a little bit more better when comes about liking Niji ID & talking about that.

[@mixxa8394]

@@Fln_9758 i'm pretty much know this. There is a certain person that keep spamming Niji only used "elit circle jokes" and "and not welcoming new audience". As for myself i didn't experience those thing whenever i watch Niji. The guy probably a butt hurt person who never get noticed by his oshi.

[@derpedfox]

"this my last chance" oh fuck

[@mihaelk.myriad]

I am not sure how to say it but I think it's not exactly underpaid. Their wages as a vtuber comes from donations, memberships, voice contents, merchs and etc. So it's more like the company doesn't facilitate them enough to sell their voice contents and merchs. Unlike before the branch got merged where they could still make big events, sell merchs, make new voice contents to sell, etc. That's why it's hard to just depend on only youtube when the company doesn't even advertise them well. I believe there are still a lot of people in niji fandom who doesn't know that they also stream in english which make people uncertain to get to know them better. It's also just a few people who clip them. It takes a lot of strong will for them to be here with us. So thank you for clipping them, Luke.

[@nabilamisilushafirila4130]

Came here from the recent drama. Not connecting anything, just to refresh my mind

[@Nosshii]

Getting recommended this after todays announcement hits hard 😭

[@jelica7640]

Niji xID as one is sooo much fun and Niji xKR were a bunch of great gamers and I really like them when they were still in that unit. I though merging them would give them better opportunities for spotlights but I saw less promotions after the merge. It's so sad and I hope that they get more opportunities to showcase how fun they are because they really are great content creators.

[@myunyan5917]

It's makes me remember all those event, the merch and voice packs before the merge happen.. At that time they even can collab with a phone brand and get a special edition 3 BBQ phone.. And we get not one but 3 ORIGINAL SONGS... We even get staff-san dakimakura.. 😭

[@KhoiruunisaRF]

I have heard Japanese VTubers from the same company say such things: "Thanks to your support, I can do more". That word sounds like common words used by VTubers/streamers, sweet words for their fans. But actually, it implied the things that Reza mentioned here. Yes, that "support" is money. They seriously thank you for that.

[@renapundarika2135]

I don't know much about the behind the scenes stuffs in vtubing, but at least I can see that before the merging, the ID branch had lots of events, cover songs, and voice contents. But after the merging, they don't get that much exposure and support again. Like reza said, you'll need money to make content, so I assume that the ID branch supported that area greatly even if it wasn't 100%. The financial difficulties to make content while also needing to pay the bills. No wonder they treat streaming more and more as just a hobby. So in all honesty, I will never understand the reason behind this merging decision when the ID branch was doing well.

[@999Ykseo]

🐴🐴🐴🐴 man... I remember this freetalk... Kinda made me sad when he said that "that" Place is the only place he could be. That means, when he stopped, he stopped for good... (Insert sad noises here))) But they're suffering too... In that place. It's toxic, but they can't go just yet. The mistreatments... 🐴🐴🐴 I don't want to be selfish to hope they'll stay forever there, if they're suffering... I wish that one day that place would become a better place someway somehow for all ex IDs (if they wish to stay). Or anything, really... I wish them to be happy and healthy... 🥺 Thank you for the clip, Luke. 😔😔😔💦💦💦 I wish everyone the best.

[@sakurakaslana8716]

Sorry if I sounded rude here, I think there's more that not too much option for redebut in term on new agency if he leaving. In Indonesia, the rival agency (that have so many advantages) only accept females. Sure there's another two but that another one also holding auditions for females only based on the shadow and the other one is not opening at all. Also the smaller agency can't be trusted 100% since there's 3 cases of small agencies doing unfair treatments to their talents which leading mass graduate of their top talents. Going indie is not much helping either especially as male VTuber unless you are in some big VTuber circle. Again sorry if I sounded rude and confusing , just want to explain situations that happen in VTuber world in Reza's country.

[@shiroyuki8339]

@@sakurakaslana8716 To be Honest, one best option for redebuting it's just maha5 for now. But, even in maha5 right now, it's not easy ot get membership even you fulfill all the condition but you still can hope for a donation that's litte but stable. One big difference it's they jus'nt streaming but make content video.

[@Cephalon_inviss]

@@shiroyuki8339 yeah its only maha5 is the possible place. i doubt cover would make holostarID soon, and we know holostar in general has really slow growth, opening ID branch which already niche as it is is very risky move. its safer just to directly join starEN instead

[@azizazmi8328]

damn Nara, "y u act like someone care enough to scold"

[@qtpr8675]

I feel really bad seeing how this gets more views than their own stream viewers. I guess people only gets hooked on for the drama

[@Haigyon]

as of now, niji has almost 200 streamers, and they keep debuting more and more, its a shame that a company that is actually bigger than holo, at the same time is treated like an underdog because of bad decisions i do hate the fact that my oshis are so loved and well known by pretty much everyone, including viewers and members of other companies, but at the same time my oshis are really small (i mean, compared to the big vtubers out there atleast) because the viewership is so diluted between 200 members fucking anycolor man...

[@arthurmorganSUN]

It boggles my mind that they just keep debuting more v-tubers with more misses than not. I used to like how Nijisanji was ran when it was still separated, but with the merge, I stopped watching them, not because I suddenly hated it, but because of this, the talents I have no interest in is pushed to my face while the talents I'm interested in stopped appearing in my feeds and I forgot about them, I imagine this is what happened to majority of casual viewers who relied more to watch streams due to exposure rather than waiting for it. Hololive's members are much less than Nijisanji but they all are steady. Steadily gaining fanbase, steadily retaining the fanbase. With HoloID holding the bridge first to connect the Holostars and Hololive, it became even merrier without feeling too much of a crowd. But Nijisanji... Gosh, it's so exhausting to just see. They debuted six in one time and the last debuts were just, like, two months ago or smth. It's like the debuted a team, the team gained traction and slowly stopped being popular after its debut phase and instead of thinking of ways to make them stay relevant and make them gain more traction, they just go and hold another audition to debut a NEW one. The latest of Hololive is ID's third gen, it was *almost* a year ago, in that timeframe, Nijisanji had debuted multiple groups and clotters of new v-tubers.

[@farisazka2568]

thx for the clip i hope they all still become vtuber for 3-5 years because i like them and because im late to know them :( (not much for company) because when EX-ID and EX-KR grad then there will be no more nijisanji ID and KR :(

[@IwanSetiawan-be1gd]

I think "merge" is more suitable than "grad" in this topic, since Niji itself has officially said "merging with main branch" and Grad is more likely close to stop existing or retire

[@farisazka2568]

@@IwanSetiawan-be1gd no i mean really grad like miyu all new wave will be see as nijisanji JP

[@vkarvanzer4243]

Dang, i misread Nara's message for a sec there. That's.. Sad.

[@himasekiwari155]

PLEASE FOR GOSH SAKE NIJISANJI I beg for them to fun Ex ID and KR legit they are genuinely good creators

[@Twelve_Thirteen1213]

Off topic but that voice is ILLEGAL. 😳

[@annisanurm7563]

He is, but u know, he become ✨more✨when he is DM-ing

[@RestedAura2]

Its a blessing that that still going after the merge. Hope there is more supoort in the future

[@royk.6565]

while EN branch and fan complaining about canceled AR live meanwhile me still waiting for hana 3d showcase

[@wakuasa9710]

I know what you mean, but I don't think mentioning her name and that incident at the same time is a wise choice. Though we have lost nearly everything, now EN livers and fans are suffering too. Just blame anycolor together.

[@royk.6565]

@@wakuasa9710 that's what I'm trying to say. what I mean is for EN fans just be prepared that something like this will happen again cos im also disepointed about the cancelation, but me as an ID fan have been let down by anycolor so many times. and I know that mentioning her name is a bad idea (considering can make conflict within ID and EN fans) but hear me out. i just want some justice for this girl. she have been done so much for niji. i remember she is the one who introduce vtuber world to oversea fans after kizuna ai from her clip about her playing "doom" with her dad. so at least let her get what she deserve.

[@wakuasa9710]

​@@royk.6565 I see. Hope anycolor will give them what they deserve and not let things like those happen to anyone again.😢(I just wrote another email to the company today)

[@ausgod538]

@@wakuasa9710 Hana had only her 3D delayed, one of them becaue she was literally SICK. idk why you guys forget

[@Bakatora04]

Hana is still on uni, right? because that could mean we have to wait for her to get on uni break for the 3D stream.

[@kordact]

I already knew this day will come just from the fact they announced the EN talents, then IN graduated, the ID and KR merge, delayed hana streams, and dont start how EN also had another golden child (looking at lxm) oh but dont get me wrong, i love them very much it's not bad for me stating what i observed

[@maokana_02]

tbh before the EN announced, the ID and KR is really popular back then and I used to watch them ... its just the company itself doesn't do justice to the old branch, after the EN announced .. it gets downhill cuz the ID and KR don't get the exposure as much as the EN ... the company gather all the attention to a certain unit of members since they're giving more benefits to the company due to the popularity and wide viewers

[@SeymourZClevarge]

Nara comment just sums it up perfectly. I'm fairly new to this vtuber stuff, but I see plenty of similarities to the 3D idol group stuff, in particular 48 groups (AKB48 and sister groups), and I was one of their fans for a long time. For 48G case, it's the members whom has the higher ups likings that would get the spot light. It happened a lot, but there are also some members who have massive amount of supports so the higher ups had no choice but favouring them. Most of the case, these least favoured by higher ups charms plenty of people with their own power and efforts. If, and this is a BIG if, the higher ups of Niji does treat the merged branches like side chicks due to balancing cost reason, the only thing these talents can do is doing their best with their charms, power, etc, to either expand their market or strengthen what they already have. We can never really know the reason of the merger, we can only assume. So, in my opinion, I see the merger as an act of good faith from the higher ups to see if the talents can do this. I'm gonna close my blabbering with this, these talents worked their arses of to entertain our sorry arses, best thing we can do is to repay them in any way we can. Thank you for coming to my TED talk. May The Force Be With You, and Remember kids, stay in the path of eeeeviiil~ - Mermaidman

[@lqfr8813]

at this point widening skills expertise is the only way or make a project thats interesting and inviting many other vtuber so they can get known from that collab

[@mreba-bh9lr]

I am trying to learn indonesian just for watching nijisanji ID. Right now, i can only watch translated clips so i hope ID branch gets the attention they deserve and still around when I fully learn indonesian.(and maybe I should fix my broken english while doing that)

[@yunexxe]

I know people keep saying that all the livers fund their own projects outta their own pockets, but there's no denying that other branches receive far more promotion and investment from the company. I barely see anything on the ID and KR livers on social media.

[@darius5066]

That sucks, but it's nothing new. Vtubers are just a new form of entertainment and are essentially just online actors. For every famous household-name Hollywood actor, there are probably 20 more people with the same level of talent and skill out there that can't get the exposure needed to make it or literally can't afford to keep on trying to make it as an actor due to rent and bills and end up quitting and getting a regular job.

[@juliuussss69]

The abandoned branch of Nijisanji.. sad.. how the f are they putting a lot of people in Niji ID when they can't even take care of them smh

[@ayisdone]

I've been seeing a lot of replies that "ex-ID aren't doing vtubing for money and clout, it's their hobby bc they have a job aside from vtubing" I think those fans are coping bc we all know exID and exKR are not really the priority of nijisanji. And it's sad bc they make effort as much as the other branch but since they weren't pushed enough ppl don't really care about them. That's why I think when their coworkers who has bigger following than them approach them is really a big help. In entertainment industry you really need someone to back you up if you want to rise, and nijisanji should be that for them but unfortunately the company don't really care that much. If there's grammar issue, I'm typing this sleepy asf

[@elementalcolors4977]

This certainly explains a lot 😔

[@lithreeum]

Ini malah muncul di Timeline gw sekarang ya hmm

[@bondoland]

What you need is luck, thats it. so i just hope you all have best luck for the future

[@SleepyRue]

I think they should've never merged because if you think about it Niji X-ID had promotions and projectd and stuff when they were their own branch merging was kind of bad because some vtubers outshine others which sucks hence why Niji should have kept the branches seperate.

[@haroharoid]

fr NijiID more lively before merged and ID viewers is proud with the ID label now its gone, and idk why youtube never recommend me ExID liver anymore tho they still streaming, seems the management not even helping with this lack traffic engagement smh.

[@SleepyRue]

@@haroharoid Exactly same with niji x-kr members too it sucks because i don't see any recommendations for them on youtube either and it really sucks

[@miro_9832]

I don't like saying stuff like this but it would be more officiant to merge id with en and kr with jp instead of merging id with jp and kr, the audience is very different there's a lot of Indonesian fans for en than jp so it would make sense for them to merge them with en if they really wanted to promote them

[@SleepyRue]

@@miro_9832 That is true i wonder if they could change that anytime soon so everyone can have a shot to get their name out there the kr branch already get their name out there because they do collabs and get some promotions but the Id branch don't really get promotions i don't relaly see them collab either so i feel like if they start collabing working their magic i'm sure niji will pay more attention to them like they did with the kr plus the kr branch also know japanese so that works really well.

[@Scar4m0uch1]

The thing is why is nijisanji hiring them and in the end they aren't gonna help them by doing vp's, etc just like for others its quite unfair that they only do it to whoever they favour or to the ones who have more.

[@antoinnette13]

I read the tweet Reza talked about, and I will have the same answer like Reza said.

[@velfare]

Oof no one even care to scold them.. f sad…

[@trbd]

Saying it's about finance is underselling the situation. It's more like a sinking ship with the captain already on shore.

[@derpedfox]

Oh snap Ejak spilled the tea

[@nabishie]

kamioshi ku di niji ada 2, satunya habis beli rumah satunya lagi harus nunda bikin konten karena fund nya kepake buat bayar kebutuhan dadakan 🥲makasih banyak ex-ID,, semuanya tuh entertaining & talented creators banget 😭selama kalian bisa have fun di sini ku akan selalu support

[@jessepeterson6694]

Man now I feel bad for not watching Reza as much as I should. Honestly that's on me, I got like maybe 3 or 4 other vtubers I like streaming around the same time he does some of which being his Niji ID colleagues.

[@ZulRf]

The situation is quite dire huh

[@illefeel]

yeah it is my peeves with niji, why the ex-ID in main despite the fact they speak English mostly. English speakers in jp centered branch is....meh. they especially did mika (and Hana) dirty.

[@corruptpixel8441]

the branch is not an impediment for popularity, Mika is the most popular ID liver now, Hana has spoked about not being wanted to be confused with EN and herself doesn't want big numbers

[@illefeel]

@@corruptpixel8441 you think nobody looking for english speaking streamer gonna look in the EN branch only? and " ooh i wanna wanna watch Hana but she didnt wants big number, i guess u better not" makes total sense

[@corruptpixel8441]

@@illefeel In my experience so far, yeah EN viewers only care about EN, other than that the hana commentary was about exposure, Mika has a lot of traction because she collabs and interacts almost daily with EN talents which make more of their viewers interested in her content, Hana doesn't, she treis to avoid big collabs at all

[@Fln_9758]

@@pangolin_aed5617 Finally I found that the one who said ID can speak 3 language. Like actually the only who can speak in JP from first Hana & Bonnie. The rest are also still learning by taking lessons & by themselves while being livers. Even there's also who are not really fluent in EN. But they also try to hop in collab & event whenever they can. Well just unfortunately the real thing is sometimes there's an "another management problem", actually I'm just want to say some of them are busy rl works, sometimes they have delayed & canceled stream & collab. (I know there are other livers who are working, but there's for example like someone (cmiiw) who can have working shift hours like still got working hours in the middle of midnight & even on Sunday, Idk if it's still happened until now sometimes I missed some of their stream too). I think just yesterday or few days ago, someone mentioned about ID still lacking of manager. If I wasn't wrong EN have a manager & Seffyna also mentioned about manager on last relay event (when she mentioned that honestly it's making me curious about like she can have someone to contact/something like manager to doing event, coz at that time some ex-ID members project got delayed coz something like of permission from headquarters). Cmiiw in rival agency who have branch in ID also have something like manager who can even remind them like overtime stream I haven't heard about the term about manager in Niji ID before, mostly they always mentioned staff-san & after the merge it's even rare to be mentioned.

[@Angelofdeth20]

The wise gambler bets on the fastest horse. Still it wouldn’t hurt to throw a bit more capital their way.

[@einrin.]

it's easy to see why ID members especially earn much much less than EN and JP counterparts. First is the demographic, they have way less followers and donations. even with donations they get lots of rupiah in comparison to dollars or pounds which makes a huge difference. not to mention youtube and the company takes % off the superchat. even some HoloID girls with don't become very well off full time in vtubing

[@Darkrezta]

I am sorry but who is exactly don't become very well from holoid? I mean from my experience alone holoid is pretty much fine even thriving compared to niji id.

[@einrin.]

@@Darkrezta very well off meaning very rich. they are doing good but can't compare to en and jp in terms of earnings

[@raisofahri5797]

@@einrin. still they earning more than regular wage in id

[@abdulcholik7789]

@@einrin. id annual individual earning is 5-10 times lower than en or East Asian country Also single entity nation market, expecting high earning is mistake from the beginning

[@pogogod6036]

Getting $2000 a month in JP and in ID is a huge difference. You must be very wasteful to spend all them in a month in Jakarta as you can live comfortably with $500 (including rent) in the city, while you need to be smart with that amount to survive in Tokyo. Also, getting donation in Rupiah or USD don't make a huge difference, am I missing something here?

[@arjkive]

Thank you for clipping this! Btw can you put a lighter color for the outline (of the text)? Thank you once again

[@Soff-tie]

GODDAMN NARA LESGOOO DKFJG

[@mang_0nim81]

unionize

[@SleepyRue]

Mm i ink im gonna start watching them and giving them my support because this is sad like everyone deserve and oppertunity i wish that everyone get attention but it is also especially hard because they have so many

[@manoi8]

Honestly, just look at Hololive. Even if the start for ID is a little bit rough too, they can shine if given the chance. I know Holo and Niji have very different cultures, but it's not like they can't learn something from it. Btw it's not only for Anycolor but for the vtuber themself too

[@fatchurrizka9413]

The managent at hololive side is good and structural for the lore etc etc, not mass product like nijisanji, what i see is nijisanji is gambling for the new wave, you can see at their example of india, maybe next kr and id on nijisanji side, both EN and japan ar supermacy on niji side right now. The nijisanji management is trash btw.

[@manoi8]

@@fatchurrizka9413 I mean they just keep sprouting up vtubers. Seems their philosophy is keep recruiting to have a bigger chance to strike gold

[@fatchurrizka9413]

@@manoi8 yeah thats how gambling work

[@jon-unicorn-doxxer]

Holo doesn't release new talents more often because they offer a basic monthly salary to their talents aside from their SC and merch income. If they release new talents more often that means more salary to pay... Niji don't offer a base salary so they release new talent more often so theres not much financial risk on pumping new talents,

[@jeykritov5123]

you can't ignore that holoid have a lot of support from overseas. so even if most of them today don't actually have a lot indonesian fans,their overseas fans will still support then n they will still do better than niji id

[@guthertheman]

Nah but highkey members from ID and Kr are wasted talent and get overlooked simply cause they didn't join early jp or en

[@beemine2036]

Anak anak niji id asik tapi sayang perusahaan kaya ga adil perlakuan nya

[@TheAweSom]

setuju

[@mra2634]

Harus nya contoh kompetitor sebelah sih 🤣 Niji kan siapa yg dapet cuan bnyak itu yg jadi anak emas

[@lqfr8813]

i think nijisanji has stricter competition in term of gaining more viewers especially if not having particular special skill other than playing games to be made into content. so in that case having other job as main income is really important while the vtuber channel has not being able to generate enough income

[@crossingthedeadclipperhunt6003]

lucky i found this clip i would say bcs i know the situation they have rn after the merger i already fans niji since wave 2 but in the end i stop watching the bcs i dont have much time to watch beside the content always same make me bored to watch not hate them tho but i need something new like interaction with JP member there is no interaction at all

[@Penjelajah68]

Still don't understand, why nijisanji ex-id not as popular as neighbour id company

[@ericp631]

Timing and support. Niji couldn't/didn't follow up when hana blew up (and she herself was uncomfortable with the spotlight), while they and moona capitalized on her popularity and followed up on that while the iron was hot. Then you get the disparity in investment/promotions/integration with the wider group/brand that happened

[@corruptpixel8441]

ID livers never really wanted to be popular, they gatekeep themselves, Hana for example did everything possible to slow down her popularity around 2020

[@frey439]

@@corruptpixel8441 why? I feel like thats unfortunate. If she doesnt slow it down probably atleast she famous like mika.

[@Penjelajah68]

@@corruptpixel8441 all of them?

[@Penjelajah68]

@@ericp631 can you elaborate turning point Hana and moona when they became more well known. (Sorry new to vtuber comunity)

[@dkzVirtual]

Damn. Hope thinks get better

[@kucingoyen1]

You know what? Let's release another wave next month!!

[@olgagachaphoenix9130]

Oh I recognize him!

[@Nihilraine]

So basically they're being softly fired huh...

[@corruptpixel8441]

no, all nijisanji livers projects are funded by themselves, unless is sponsored or management decides to take care of it, for example koshien is sponsored but the project sekai tournament wasn't, that came from yashiro's pocket, same for the WWE tournament, that came from Selen's pocket. the same applies to outfits outside the free 50K ones

[@skygazer8549]

It's time we got back to the good life

[@Pokemaster-wg9gx]

Do they insist on putting the ex in front of merged branches to honor staff that got let go during the merge or something? Because other than that its not like they were completely broken up or anything because EX-ID is still functionally its own wave instead of being its own branch right? They’re still the same group they were just moved around a bit right? Can someone explain why the merged branches insist on the ex? Did they like lose all their staff and have significant enough changes to use the ex despite them still being there?

[@manoi8]

yeah, it's just for easier grouping similar to Ex-Gamers and Ex-SEEDs. We don't know the detail but the speculation was we lose all staff from ID and now use the staff from JP. Which why there are very few official activities from them

[@Simpbursbackpack]

I'm just gonna put my two cents in this conversation mainly because I've been thinking about this ever since the merge happened. Hell, even when a lot of x-KR stared graduating. While yes, i do understand that there is a history of language/group/country based branches not working out in ANYCOLOR's favor, I do think that not pushing x-ID and x-KR is one of the many reasons why both grounds aren't doing well. Lack of funding is one thing but trying to bring basic attention to them is another. I saw some comments talking about that a lot of events are self funded by the livers but those events are hyped up and created by popular livers who have that money to spend. Yashiro and Selen (whom are brought up a lot because of the events they host) are very popular. Personally, it seems like ANYCOLOR prefers quantity over quality. They have a large amount of livers but don't focus on the livers they've had for years. I can go through the Nijisanji wiki right now and point out livers that hardly have merch or get promoted. The first two that come to my head are Melissa Kinreka (who is now graduated) and Moira. Even Harusaki Air as well. While we don't know what's going on behind the scenes and assuming does nothing, it's just disappointing to see livers who have so much potential not get the recognition they deserve. (Also, I saw some comments using the term "golden child" and other's saying not to use it but let's all be honest here, we know who ANYCOLOR considers their golden goose. Let's not try to kid ourselves here.)

[@gokbay3057]

KR had many graduations before the merge. If anything the merge stopped/slowed down the graduations in KR.

[@suicasu3514]

Tbh Nijisanji has a very mass-produced feeling to it. While I know that every vtuber agency are "corporate" Nijisanji has a significantly more corporate feel to it than other agencies. I don't vibe with that. And regarding ex-ID, I think they (anycolor) are just waiting for them to graduate one by one at this point, as there's barely any support for ex-ID talents. Not to mention the ID fans seems bitter regarding the merger and are quite critical of anycolor in general these days.

[@kimeltzaja1327]

Nijisanji did a soeharto centralization move and now they get the same hate.

[@wingzero7621]

What upset me the most its not Indonesia don't have any market potential but Nijisanji really screw up their Indonesia branch effort Let alone competing with Hololive they don't even can fight Maha5, other smaller Indonesian focus agency like AKA virtual, or even indies

[@jon-unicorn-doxxer]

the Kobo's popularity especially since she speaks mostly Bahasa on stream and the 4th gen audition is like a slap on the face of ex-Niji-ID fans tbh

[@michi1944]

Imma be honest.. If its donations/viewers that is lacking its partially their fault. I know that management is ultimately at fault for not promoting them but.. just look at some of the decent one in the ex-ID and ex-KR; Mika pandering to Luxiem, Suha pandering to Uki (this especially, channel was dead before his interactions with Uki, personally i like TakaSuha more), Bonnie and Selen back then (i miss them), and now Nari pandering to Alban, etc. It is what the reality, if you dont continuously pander to the popular stuff as a smaller CC you'll be stagnant forever. Honestly i think its their choice. Some of them (Hyona, Pak Taka, Nara especially) only pander a few times with Fulgur on a few of their ff14 and DnD streams which is not the most popular content, and they dont have further collabs together or whatnot. Plus fulgur himself doesnt even want to be popular.

[@Fln_9758]

Well actually collab is not just about pandering, mostly are can be happened coz of the chemistry & compatibility in their interaction. I bet u didn't even really pay attention when someone doing collab. Some of them can be popular & their viewer can be increased on that time. But actually there's the time when collab happened their viewer would be pretty more less than before coz they could be overshadowed if they couldn't make compatible interaction between them. Selen & Bobon are compatible by FPS gaming, Suha already much pretty used to flirting between boys so he can with Uki. Mika is the one who pretty used to EN jokes & culture, so she can understand the interaction whenever she collab with EN If it's a collab, it's all back to depends on who their collab. Even though the one they would more popular, doesn't simply meant they would get into popular too. They should balanced each other. Maybe Fulgur himself doesn't want to be popular, but what I see he actually only want to build a strong fanbase. He is popular with Uki & even got busy with some event than some other EN members. About why ID mostly collab with him, coz not only he's the first one who mentioned that he's watching ID (he mentioned Reza when he still in early debut in a tweet with Shoto about DnD, & that's their first interaction) & he also shared so much what some of ID members also likes, DnD & ff14. If I wasn't mistaken the peak of his ID collab started when the discord chat leak was happened. He also said about not wanting to be popular when that happened coz some people who waste their time for just send hate to him. Later, he got even more supportive fanbase & sometimes talking about ID's in his stream (even though it's just in his freetalk not just when a collab) & that's where some ID was helped by him Idk about like why u only brings like Hyona, Taka, & Nara and mentioned them for "pander" with Fulgur. But Nara, she's started to more into JP when the merge happened. If u mentioned Seffyna I think u must be knew that Nara is also in "Many Money Company" & she got into the JP event coz of that. There's another ID members who also more collab EN/JP other than u just mentioned. Maybe some collab are just pretty often to happened due they need to adjust their time schedule, but also some of the collab not really have popular dynamic & chemistry between them so u can't even remember they already collab tho Well.. talking as much more easier than how it done, coz if a collab happened but the both of them can't be compatible to each other & even they got uncomfortable it can be bad too. Also they should know & prepared for the risk they would have to get if it's someone popular & have some the toxic fans coz of big fanbase, u forgot what happened to Mika with Mysta toxic fans. Fortunately Mysta was someone who would serious about this issues & scold them, remind that not all can be like that when it happened. And if the one really asking collab for just to pandering.. have u ever think about the person u asked to collab, would they want to collab with u? There's possiblity they also have a lot collab invitation from others too coz of popularity, also there's also another person like who they already known & collab, ofc they would be more prefer to collab with this person. So u should know how to make them will be more interested to collab with u So back to their choices & they are the one who know more how all things going on back there rather than us. I don't think collabing are just as simple u approach & say u want to collab, so we can't really judge

[@trbd]

I won't say that being decent means that they got to pander to the right kind of people or audience but it's sad that it's what should be done for them to deserve support from management. Case in point: Siska Leontyne. Unlike the others from Nijisanji ID who targets both local and international audience, Siska panders to no one but the local audience. Yet she is at one point the 2nd most famous vtuber among Nijisanji ID, made collabs with other local vtubers and even a couple collabs with a famous local youtuber. But because she cannot really connect with english nor japanese speaking audience, the management often preferred the 1st gen vtubers (who got those type of audience) over her to be promoted. Sure, the japanese-centric nature of nijisanji promotion probably means that it doesn't really fit Siska, but if Hololive could work with Kobo Kanaeru, then so should Nijisanji with Siska.

[@Fln_9758]

@@trbd I agreed on this too. I was just only to point out & making explanations for what this person already missed out, like how so easy for this person are saying about collab between person. And just to be sure at least this person got the point that have missed out & not bring another pointless debate Like I said this person perhaps never really pay attention when a collab happened, already missed out a lot of things by only see collab as pandering (So the long post reply are just to point out the bigger picture that this person should consider when someone want to doing a collab) But actually it doesn't matter to collab or not to collab. The point is just to understand first & u already know what u r going to do. Yup like Siska, she can goes into ID's market coz she knows what she can & she'd fit into. So in the end l said to this person, it's not our position to judge about what their doing, coz we're not the one who knows what's going on back there

[@TrueScotsman96]

To be honest as someone that watches only a small amount of Niji I thought Mika was NijiEN for way too long.

[@aryume1605]

Welp

[@kimeltzaja1327]

I feel like the ex-id members talents are wasted on nijisanji especially someone like miyu, nara, zea and others who are really talented at singing. Imo they can go as big as holoid members or maybe bigger if they were in hololive or at least given the same exposure. And instead niji just says "fuck the id branch" even tho their management is prolly the best out of the other branches.

[@corruptpixel8441]

ALL Nijisanji livers fund their own projects outside the free 50K outfit and sponsored things, other than that they pay for everything else from their wallet, Selen has talked about it many times, same for JP livers, the latest Project sekai tournament was funded by Yashiro alone The new outfits for finana and pomu are paid by themselves, NJU was paid by the livers involved, etc. This is not breaking news and is not a management bad hating on ID thing, it's always been like that, at this point ID fans are using anything as escape goats to hate on

[@lukeuserclips]

What about Into Reality, Virtual on Voyage, Puchisanji, Nijisore, and Virtual Summit?

[@rubicoded]

I think people are conflating two different issues here. Nowhere in the clip is the lack of money said to be a form of unfair treatment. There are two things people say often: 1. Nijisanji ID livers lack funds for them to do their projects comfortably, and it's difficult to do so out of pocket. 2. Unfair treatment for ex-ID exists. Is point 2 true? I'm not sure. Permissions, merch and VN production, marketing/exposure, and behind the scenes treatment are not a thing I can see and measure for a company of 200+ talents. What even is fairness anyway? Point 1 is the point being made in this clip. And it's clearly true. Point 1 is not an argument in support of point 2, it's merely a fact. (Although point 2 may feed back to point 1 indirectly)

[@corruptpixel8441]

@@rubicoded the lack of funds is not management related as most people try to make, no liver borrows money from the company for projects

[@corruptpixel8441]

@@lukeuserclips nijisore never needed funding, the other projects were something ID exclusive that no other branch had, it was more of an oddity compared to the rest of the company, original songs now became more of a thing because of EN and some VTA waves

[@lukeuserclips]

@@corruptpixel8441 JP has Puchisanji, so there has to be projects the company itself funds at least partially. I don't see why ID Staff-san couldn't continue with those projects post-merge, unless they were losing money, but then how'd they keep doing it since 2019? Not sure why you brought up EN/VTA here. Many Niji original songs were made before them, and I listed some ID ones as an example of money being used on the ID branch And I haven't seen anyone say lack of funds for individual livers is because of management. Most people know it's because they don't get enough views

[@rianan6620]

wait, i think what people missing here is Reza talk about lack of superchat and stuff. not actual fund from company. because we know that all of Selen projects are come from her own pocket. its also applied to all project in JP (nijiKart, typing tournament, etc). so if he saying what these good content creator lack is money, then its on your part. i mean if you are good content creator, then money shouldn't be a problem, because people like your content. then people start giving you money so you can make more of that content. i dont hate him or ID, but its ridiculous to think that what you lack all this time is money when you dont even make contents that make people want to give you money.

[@lukeuserclips]

It's incorrect to say good content automatically makes you popular

[@rianan6620]

@@lukeuserclips thats what i meant. like i genuinely dont understand some of these hates toward company because they dont "exposed" more of other talents. like dude, its company. ofc they gonna cater to talents that makes money. and i can say that because one example is oh jiyu. he got official merchs for his birthday, because he now cater more towards JP viewer and have some fans. so his merch would make sense. again, im not hating ID, but we need to look at reality. most of ID stream just like 3 times a week. some of that even not interesting stream (derem even stream ads). i understand that they have RL to think of. but in the end of the day, you are still Niji Livers. so if reza said what lack of all of these good content creators is money, then you are not that good making content in the first place. because people watch your content first, then they commit to give you money. thats why i keep saying. if ID wants to succees, they should cater to JP or EN more. Mika is prime example. she cater to EN then gain fans from it. she still speak ID, but her content cater more towards EN.

[@lukeuserclips]

@@rianan6620 What do you mean that's what you meant? You just said ID don't get many views because they're not good content creators. They absolutely are! The only reason they don't get more viewers is because of circumstances

[@rianan6620]

@@lukeuserclips you said yourself, good content doesnt make you automatically popular. but good content is good content. thats fact. if they are good content creator, they should known for their content, regardless their circumstances. and what circumstances you talking about here? they cant get enough exposure? riksa playing in Niji mahjong tournament thats broadcast in main channel. thats the highest exposure you can get. but he never make content that cater to those audience. example ID playing a lot of FF14 now. and they dont get much views. its not because their content bad, its just people dont watch that anymore. why i can say that? because Rin in JP also stream a lot of FF14 and guess what? thats least views stream for her too. i want them to realize that nowadays people gonna watch something that they want to watch. even tho they are good content creator, if they make something that people dont want to watch, its mean people not gonna watch it.

[@lukeuserclips]

@@rianan6620 No, Niji ID are all good content creators, but that doesn't mean people will automatically know about them Riksa wouldn't have gotten a big boost from mahjong anyway even if he was fluent in Japanese. He'd need consistent exposure multiple times to benefit from that. And I'm talking about circumstances like timing, demographic, and luck. Being in the ID/KR branch itself is like a glass ceiling

[@fatchurrizka9413]

Nijisanji are trash for the management in my opinion, first is india, and KR next id, but for jp they all supermacy.

[@AyakoHideko]

;_; The clip at the end hits hard after going through the entire clip... Sigh... These are one of those times where it's just downright depressing when you realize that you're born into a third world country with... A lot that still needs to be done to "catch up" to the rest of the world. (And I say this sentiment with a lot of bitterness and a tinge of malice 🙃) And there's not much you can do about it because you're stuck in circumstances that's trapped you in a cycle. It's when you become so powerless like this that all I want to do (and all I can do 🥲) is offer a genuine hug, from one person to another. Edit: This comment was made in a show of support towards the livers as someone who also lives in a third world country and knows exactly how hard it is to make a living here. If you think this is me deflecting Niji's mismanagement of them to the fact that they're from a "poorer" country, kindly read my long ass reply to the person who misunderstood my original comment. Let's be realistic here. Wtf can we do? Wtf can they do? Nothing. It happened. So let's pull it together and support them to their last moments. And whatever happens, we will never forget.

[@seasnow6073]

Dont blame the place u are born with wtf, u cant put the blame on one thing in this case. So u think the disband of the KR branch is the fault of the korean people? Even tho the country is so advance. U can blame the management in this, cause each time the merger happened in business corps (the branch and main office) its always cause the same thing: -mismanagement And if the examples are the country u are born with, then why did the rival company aka cover/holo has a thriving id branch, be it the subs count or the project they held

[@AyakoHideko]

@@seasnow6073 Huh? Sorry, but I never stated that I blamed the country for their specific circumstance? 🤨 That sounds like you misunderstanding my point, but what I'm trying to say is that when you live in a third world country but have access to the entire world through social media, you can literally feel the distance in how advanced and "developed" (again, I mean this with a lot of bitterness and a tinge of malice) your country is compared to other areas of the world that are more fortunate. Regardless of how patriotic you are, reality is reality, and reality is that these people get treated worse than those who live in more... "fortunate" countries. If you think my statement applies to a corporate vtubing world ONLY and specifically, I'm afraid you're sorely mistaken. They don't work their asses off to make ends meet for no reason. We all do -- if we're not born with a silver spoon, or even a meager opportunity to rise in the ranks. The ID members are stuck in a difficult situation rn of wanting to stick to a job that brings them a lot of joy and fulfillment, but reality dictates that it doesn't make ends meet. That in itself is the fault of mismanagement on the company side, and poor handling of their overseas talents who happens to be from a third world country. Yet it is the fact that they live in a third world country that makes being in this middle ground of being a contracted content creator and full-time worker difficult and extremely tiring and taxing. And it's not rocket science if you're from a third world country to know how difficult it is in finding a job that is able to sustain your family, yourself, and a possible future family that they will inevitably pressure you into as well. The government could only do so much when we literally do not have the same amount of resources as other countries do, and it doesn't take a genius to know that we can't exactly advance at the same pace they do too with whatever pitiable amount of resources that we DO have, and forget any hopes of even eventually catching up at that rate. Studying abroad to get a better paying job is a privilege that only certain people have, and those who dont have the funds for it are stuck in a place where they have to take what they can get. There is no choice: Only the illusion of choice and whatever bullshit about meritocracy that anyone that's idealistic enough to believe it. You are literally just a victim of your own circumstance, in a country that is handicapped all throughout modern history, and all you can fucking do is bite your tongue and pray it doesn't get any worse in the near future. And the ID members are unfortunately stuck in this predicament. THIS is the point I'm trying to make. If you want to misunderstand my point for the sake of your own anger then fine. I frankly don't give a shit. All I did when leaving this comment was try to extend my own sympathies and sentiment of support as a person who understands and can empathize with their current predicament. What I won't stand for is someone coming in and accusing me of being some sort of racist when all I am being is realistic. The ID members deserve better than this. But unfortunately, there isn't much we can all fucking do rn except realize that there isn't much we can do, and just spend the time we have remaining with them the best we can. If you really want what's best for them as people, you will eventually realize that the best thing for them is to be out of this job with Nijisanji right now. I frankly don't give a shit about any technicalities of whoever the fuck's fault this is. All I want is for them to feel like they're not stuck in this nightmare scenario of working their asses off only for nothing to come out of it again. Hearing how tired, sad, and downcasted Amicia was at the end genuinely broke my heart. That's the voice of someone who is defeated beyond their limits. And I don't want that for ANY of them anymore.

[@jeykritov5123]

@@seasnow6073 "why did the rival company aka cover/holo has a thriving id branch" they have a lot support from non indonesia. arguably,the overseas people giving them more support than the indonesian fans

[@Newbtuber]

Gonna be a bit real here, Niji has kind of given up on ID. They seem to be really focus on their EN since it is their most successful international unit. Hololive just got too strong of a grip on the female vtuber in ID. Although, I am still waiting for a male ID to make it big.

[@Prabu_Noir]

in fact, in the past, hololive id and nijisanji id had difficulty gaining popularity, I remember when gen 1 hololive id made their debut, their audience was very small, but thanks to the support of the management staff, they gained popularity, even though the holo id talents had to speak two languages, ( Indonesian and English), but it is management support that has made them popular now, and become the number one Vtuber in Indonesia. unfortunately niji id's management did not do the same thing, as if they were niji id's talents left to fend for themselves. they even lose to small local agencies that get quite a lot of viewers like maha5 and yume reality agencies, or even indie vtubers like mythia batford. anycolor only care about big profit.

[@Newbtuber]

@@Prabu_Noir been 4 months and looks like the entire branch is graduating. Didnt want it to be true but it ended up being true

[@aidoruuu529]

Most nijisanji income is from merch or voice pack. Its 50% niji fault. The other 50% is indonesian fan fault itself that they always watch clip like this, also like 20% of their fans that buy their merch. Never watch the stream and said they know them so much. While some ID member still keep their market for ID only. Its the same of EN fans that start "anycolor so bad at managament" ---> i bet this thing also came from indonesian EN fans.

[@lyq232]

Niji has a bad income model and that's the fans fault? What?

[@aidoruuu529]

@@lyq232 source : trust me bro

[@tokikake.]

"ooh the customers don't want to buy our products, this is obviously the customer fault" 😜

[@aidoruuu529]

@@tokikake. yes because you guys buy them, when they are announce their graduate lol. Look how many tweet posting Taka goods like this 2 week. Its the same as you who only come to niji id side when they falling apart. But never support them since first or maybe you're fake fans🧐

[@lyq232]

@@aidoruuu529 take an Econ101 course or something man. Hopefully a person like you isn't and will never be involved in any companies sales department.

[@Written_in_the_Starss]

Let’s be brutally honest.. niji ID and KR isn’t generating enough income and NIjisanji is a corpo…a business..

[@yohhhhhh]

This is an old topic dude. The status quo rn isnt about whether or not ex-ID and KR making enough money for enikara, but its more about how enikara brutally killed them by 'merging' them to the main branch, which essentially killing them and not giving them the chance to grow anymore from business perspective. In any case enikara could straight up disband the branch, but the merge were more likely their way to say "i'll wait for ur resignation letter" to the talents

[@Written_in_the_Starss]

@@yohhhhhh Old topic that still hunts them.. Other than Mika the rest of ex Niji ID and KR don’t generate viewers and income. I feel sorry that you’re as in denial as ever.

[@Written_in_the_Starss]

@@yohhhhhh If they didn’t absorb KR and ID the worst would be Anycolor just dissolve the whole branch just like what happened to Niji IN

[@kimjongun9311]

I think that’s partly the fault of management. ID have the capability to do very well (Kobo is one of the fastest growing vtubers overall, even faster than Salome and basically every Niji vtuber) with proper management and promotion. HoloID was not always a success story, they weren’t doing well at all in the beginning. Their growth was insanely slow just like NijiID, but management didn’t give up on them.

[@pangolin_aed5617]

HoloID get number after years ,NijiID not. Indonesia always have big audience yes. And FYI KR doing fine now. A lot of them get much exposure because pandering to JP and EN audience.

[@newsphere4817]

Theres simply no growth or achievement to warrant extra funding... India and Indonesia are chosen because their massive population and interest in anime related stuff are increasing year on year... But in reality when IN and ID hit the scenes the growth rates didn't really up to the expectation, they hope that the population of the said branch (ID/IN) would be able to boost the branch growth but the realities were abysmal...in India case it was not even can self sustaining their own branch... With that experience its unfortunate that IN couldn't last longer, because in the near future ID and KR are put into the fold as nijisanji, the main branch learnt that making a branch for a "certain countries/group/people" not the right approach and simply not worth the time and money.... And to prove that beside the collapse of IN branch..... Nijisanji EN, its NOT nijisanji England/Canada/USA, its EN for English the language, marketed globally not relaying on demographics of a certain nations but a talent that bonded over the language that majority of people used in the internet... And what do you know, it WAS Successful, incredible growth.. any talents that debuted after the first wave, massive growth even overshadow their main branch debutantes.. So what are you gonna do if you are the management that needs to make growth and revenues? Give a lot of time and money to ex-ID or ex-KR and "hope" they can generate enough subs and views? The key word is HOPE... OR You CAN spend the same money and time give it to EN and that project "GUARANTEE" a big number of view and subs... The very SAD part is... If ID or IN debuted as EN right now... They will have more subs and views and they will be more support and funding than ever ... But thats the way of life goes...its unfair its always has been, it may looks fair but its not... How many Nijisanji talent debuted this year? And how many that you heard that not EN or JP that can speak english like "oliver evans". Truthfully the new jp debutants also suffering, if you debut and doesnt make a huge splash, example: "hyakumantenbara Salome" then your growth would be miniscule... Its the sad part of nijisanji because the way they model their management... It not entirely thier faults they do their best screen anyone thats interesting but if the talent doesnt stick out and resonate with the viewer what they suppose to do next? Its all in the livers hands to make it or break it... And dont compare it to hololive they have their own management and recruitment system... All i hope the talents find something that can increase they growth... Because if they can show the numbers the management will surely be more willing to push more funding... Easiest way to get noticed, reach a 1 mil subs the faster you do it the better... For maximum impact to the management within 1-4 months but within a year will be fine too..

[@ismalordyfonollera3649]

Here's my two cents here. I understand its a huge lack of management from niji that plays a huge role here. However i do wish they collab with more outside of ID especially with EN. And by collab i dont mean just hop in the middle of the stream collab but a scheduled one with their name in it. I do wish i could support them more but i dont speak indo nor japanese. I could only watch them via clips that are translated to english. At the end of the day the livers themselves have to be resourceful at some point and self promote themselves outside of their comfort (e.g. Mika). I do think they are talented and have lots of potential. Its just being not used properly and its a shame because most of them can speak indo, jap and english all together. They could gather more audience if they could cater more on other audiences. I want taka and reza to boom alot but its just that i mostly prioritize EN branch more because i can understand most of their stream unlike other languages.

[@ikkizy6527]

Not everyone can clop with each other, especially livers between branch, i.e bonnie and mika can get a long with SOME EN Livers bcos they have the same kind of taste of jokes and personality, while the other ex-ID even tho they r trilingual or even more it's just hard to pretend to be happy collabing with people that u didn't really like to hang out.

[@ismalordyfonollera3649]

@@ikkizy6527 i understand. Its true but at the end of the day. Its "Business". You dont have to do it every now and then. You just need to atleast show yourself once in a while. It's very harsh environment to stay relevant. And i agree its i blame niji as a major factor for not doing their promotion at their end. But like i said at some point they have to be somewhat resourceful if they want to make more. And sometimes those resources are out of your comfortzones. Anyways its my two cents here. Its really up to them at the end of the day. I am just sad because i dont want to lose some of them but sometimes that is just how the market works.

[@AyakoHideko]

The one other thing that I feel like people keep on overlooking when it comes to cross-branch collabs as well is that it's a lot easier to say that they SHOULD collab, but looking at how things are seeming behind the scenes for EN, I doubt the livers even have the time of day right now to even schedule huge collabs like they used to WITHIN their branch. Now imagine how much harder it is to schedule huge collabs with other livers who you arent as familiar with, live in a completely different time, and you dont know their schedules as well as your branch mates. It's almost like trying to schedule a hangout with high school friends as a working adult and they live halfway across the world. Theoretically, it should be possible, but logistically, it's nigh on impossible. Unless there is constant correspondence between the livers in both branches, I doubt many of them have the time, energy, and means to effectively arrange collabs within a reasonable amount of time. (This is where I imagined that having staff for both branches might prove useful ;-;) And this is without considering how the move might look as well if an ex-ID member would be so thick-faced to push for a collab, and be really insistent on it amidst times where most EN members are either busy with one thing or another too. Even if the liver themselves dont really care, Ive seen enough on the EN side with how absolutely wretched and horrid ppl can be when it comes to cutting down livers, so I genuinely dont want to see that kind of attention placed on them either if the collab isnt "perfect." Although with this all taken into consideration... I really do wish that despite all these odds... We get a collab before sth even more drastic happens 🥲 I dont watch ex-ID as much, but they feel as dear to me as the EN "family" livers that I dont watch as often. There are so many duos that I look forward to seeing that still hasnt happened yet so I will also continue to prayge 🥲🙏

[@ismalordyfonollera3649]

@@AyakoHideko of course i understand its hard. Especially right now. I just wish they can really make more proper collabs because it gives them more opportunity to shine. Man its a damn shame because i honestly think they have lots of potential but shit happens. Ye know?

[@AyakoHideko]

@@ismalordyfonollera3649 yea man same ;-; Sigh...

[@SokiHime]

Look dude the reason they don't get invested in it because they don't bring in viewers or make any money. They're being invested in and unfortunately they are not worth the investment. It's not their fault but naturally Indonesia is not as popular place as Japan or the mass of English-speaking market

[@jon-unicorn-doxxer]

what about HoloID? they even have a big event lately and announced a 4th gen audition, also Kobo is one of the biggest influencers overthere.