On The Nature of Esoteric Cults

In Twin Peaks, there's a place mentioned, called the Black Lodge, but what if I told you that the Black Lodge came from the beliefs of a very real (and relatively prominent) cult?
Also I know there's audio problems, there's naught I can do on a posted video, so, sorry if that's frustrating.
Forgive that this video barely touches Twin Peaks itself, but I'm sure there's inspirations I missed.
There are more sources than I have in the credits and I'd be fine sharing them when asked, but the list of links is...oppressively long, so maybe in a google doc or tweets or something.
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00:00 Intro
04:32 Theosophy and it’s Discontents
18:34 Besant
20:32 Leadbeater
23:35 Rudolf Steiner
29:12 Laurency
31:30 The Black Lodge
35:18 Where are they now
37:57 Conclusion
39:49 Credits/outro

[@Rosencreutzzz]

Okay, so A few comments by now have brought up the audio, and while I don't think it's a blanket issue (as in, across the whole video) it's my understanding that some parts are hard to hear and, that's my bad. I don't know which ones parts they all are, but there's nothing I can do for now but suggest subtitles I suppose (which are now uploaded and a bit updated.) Hope this helps.

[@OscarFrosty]

Thank you - came here to tell you but I see it's already addressed. Subtitles worked great during the parts with louder music!

[@matthewbudzinski3478]

The Russians were responsible for ending WWII. Not America. America severed the Japanese threat.

[@bombatta1544]

Good job kid. However, this is the worst music I have ever heard in my life. Furthermore, the jokes confuse your meanings. Is this all fiction or fact? (as much as we can know)

[@CoincidenceTheorist]

Karbala Cob-ball-A The swastika represents a plasma vortex during the projecting blue beam. The ball lancing beam. And what project blue beam “ is attempting to control the narrative of by placing ideas in your mind in advance. So you’ll know it’s fake or man made. Anything other than the truth

[@Daniel-ew5qf]

@@bombatta1544The music is great in my opinion

[@Vorpalsword138]

"We can no more fault the Theosophists for their connection to the Nazis, than we can Nietzsche for, I don't know..." His connection to the Nazis? Lol

[@yaldabraxas]

I find it really funny and problematic at the same time that people have to spend good 5 minutes explaining how a thing isn't connected to bad guys before talking about it.

[@Rosencreutzzz]

It also just gave me an opportunity to bring up another "truism" that I'm tired of re: " the direction it's facing indicates if it's good or bad!"

[@Gianfranco_69]

honi soit qui mal y pense and junk and stuff

[@hime273]

​@@RosencreutzzzThat's literally how Symbolism works. You just don't like it when people who understand the Symbolism disagree with you.

[@0.-.0]

​@@hime273No, they just disagree with it. Lol.

[@dangeradams58240]

It just shows the ignorance of the masses and the reach of the propaganda against anything occult

[@Rosencreutzzz]

Also, if there's any particular interest I could also do a very informal stream type thing where I explain Tarot and how people approach it, how I approach it, and how anyone can do it. Or maybe even do a few readings, just for the bit. Idk. I'll try and figure out a way it could be done. Maybe here on YT maybe on Twitch. www.twitch.tv/krosencreutz

[@vfanon]

I’d just like to comment that I do have a particular interest in this and would be happy to see a stream some day, though I don’t have Twitter or Twitch so would prefer if it was either announced somehow or done on KZbin.

[@11BlackLamb]

I was born on July 19th 1965 at 7:46 p.m. I know that I am an 11. I joined the Rosicrucians after reading an insert in National Geographic magazine in 1977. My dad is the house of Stuart and 1/4 Navajo and my mom the House of Tudor. I am the product of my parents abduction before I was born a few miles from NASA JPL in Pasadena CA. I don't know the Tarot connection and was hoping you could assist me in my journey of self-discovery.

[@user-hn2bo2pn7t]

I think you did a great job on this video. Precise and insightful. A grand thesis on the subject matter shows a bright interest and intelligence born in the personal learning of the writer. -- Luke

[@user-hn2bo2pn7t]

Thanks again , and peace profound .

[@Umurhan999]

A full golden dawn video would be amazing

[@soerensturm441]

Please for the love of everything sacred, remove the background music, or at least reuduce the volume compared to the vocal.

[@kirbyone]

Here's some more weirdness that may apply: the author Robert E Howard who invented Conan the Barbarian utilized a fictional history of earth as settings for some of his sword and sorcery stories that include such places as (and these should sound familiar): Hyperborea, Lemuria, and Atlantis Add to that HP Lovecraft, inventor of the Cthulhu mythos, and Howard were contemporaries who were in frequently correspondence with one another over their writings such that they often borrowed one another's world building themes and you can see that Theosophy may have even had more impact on the literary world as well than you initially realized!

[@kirbyone]

Oh also, one of the Conan stories is titled "The People of the Black Circle." I'm not saying it's the Black Lodge...but it's the Black Lodge.

[@Rosencreutzzz]

honestly, the most interesting to me was the moment I read Lemuria and was like "wait...like in Golden Sun 2??" I had always thought it was just the game making a reskin of Atlantis to sound more mystical, but now that I think about it that whole game is quite obviously interested in general esoterics.

[@Miles757]

Absolutely! Check out Chris Knowles over at the Secret Sun for more on the connections between Theosophy, Lovecraft, and some potential implications for better understanding the bigger picture.

[@myrrhaj6481]

was definitely not expecting to see comments from a dominions youtuber here :O

[@WatermelonPeppermint]

you know that's so funny you mention that, because as someone who has played the Conan exiles game there's a lot of hilarious lore that comes from all of these things. I feel like I've already experienced this video because of the game and it's great

[@xenonnoblegass6034]

Regarding Blavatsky's name - it is one of the ways one's name can be written in Russian (more accurately: H. P. Blavatsky), and is used extensively with writers' names (mostly on the book covers). But given that her major activities took place in the West, your version could also be true (this way of concealing gender would not work in Russian - most Russian surnames account for gender (transcribing: Blavatskaya)) Also Helena, as many other emigrants, uses male version of her surname - it could be due to sexism, but also could be conforming to the way English surnames work

[@Rosencreutzzz]

Ah, yeah I did actually think about that, with respect to -skaya but all her success was found in the Anglosphere of Britain, the USA, and Raj era India, so I kinda took it on faith that her associates weren’t saying her name in the Russian form.

[@michaelcallas9463]

when I first moved to London I lived on Queens Gardens (I know, chuckle chuckle) but right next door to the HQ for Theosophy (I think it was 62 Queens Gardens). Having spent part of my misspent youth performing in Russia, I had the exact same question as you @xenonnoblegass6034 and the folks there explained that in the beginning she was, indeed conscientious of her gender and purposefully kept her gender a bit on the low. @@Rosencreutzzz

[@jamesmcpherson8599]

This is everything ive been wanting out of a documentary on esotericism, anthroposophy, and the occult! It touched every subject that ive been intrested in in awhile in very clear language.

[@Michael-yx5qx]

Yes occultism is my heart it truly is.

[@amberslahlize7961]

I would not recommend this to anyone.

[@AdoraBelle33]

hard same

[@brontebell9676]

watching this as both a twin peaks fan and the granddaughter of a theosophist was amazing

[@imorrah6694]

this video was in my recommended a couple days ago. I've since watched a few videos on this channel and I really enjoy them. I get vaguely historia civilis vibes from your commentary. keep it up, you're the sort who could make a video on anything and keep me interested.

[@newkoviak]

Can we get a “now playing” feature… I appreciate the music under the segments and I find it helped capture moods and vibes of each portion of the video making the information more receptive to my brain. Thank you.

[@Donal01]

Watched this while making bread. Great video to watch while making bread. Keep up the good work, you're probably one of the best channels on the platform rn for me :)

[@vivianaboveitall6669]

yr so real 4 this

[@generatoralignmentdevalue]

That's so specific and now I want to make bread.

[@Solar_Corpus]

Mmm bread 🥯 🍞 🥖

[@DED_MEEM]

What kind of bread did you make? Can I have some?

[@OpenYourMind313]

Crumbs. Can you make new bread? This bread is a bit old but I'll gladly wait for fresh sourdough 🍞💥👍🏼

[@robgau2501]

Comparing a reader's view on racism to whether or not one is a cannibal isn't a good comparison. Whether it's racist can be argued about ad infinitum. But, one is certainly a cannibal if one has eaten human flesh.

[@opinion3742]

Well, one might have been forced to eat human flesh by a varying degree of circumstances. In order to be a cannibal it should be a choice and a matter of some habit. And while one could argue endlessly about what makes someone a racist, there are no real degrees involved. One is not more of a racist because one is louder or more aggressive about it and indoctrination is not an excuse if one makes no effort to overcome it.

[@pomodorostudyclub]

@@opinion3742there are definitely various degrees of racism, and no solid definition. Is it racist to believe there are measurable IQ differences between races? Or that races have different physical attributes that can give advantages in sports? I believe this because all real-world data points to it, but I don’t judge other people as being worth less based on it.

[@opinion3742]

@@pomodorostudyclub Real world data points to you being a total racist

[@zygocact5947]

@@pomodorostudyclub Well, you seem to believe that "race" is a meaningful biological/anthropological category in the first place, which makes you apriori a racist.

[@pomodorostudyclub]

@@zygocact5947 exactly, which is why I gladly accept that label. Considering how the vast majority of people strongly identify with their race (except people of European descent), and consider it a integral part of their cultural identity, and show strong in-group preference, I’d say the majority of earth is racist. It’s the default position. From an evolutionary perspective, non-racists are at a disadvantage. Test edit to see if it was deleted.

[@Memanruler]

gotta say i think the music is a bit loud, overpowers the talking.

[@QuintessentialJenesequa]

Very much

[@Lioness_of_Gaia]

Yes, it's hard to focus on what's being said. 😢

[@TSteffi]

Especially in the second half

[@beauwhitlock5034]

I was going to say the same

[@niccoloaurelius1587]

So fascinating to learn of the origins of this Twin Peaks lore. Also, in light of the belief that the US helped fight against the Black Lodge (for instance, with the atomic bomb on Hiroshima) is really crazy to think about, in relation to that show, where it definitely includes aspects of the bombing, especially in season 3. I'm super interested in the typed up document on the Black Lodge that you found, if you would care to share it somehow?

[@Ghostykitten]

Being a Twin Peaks fan, my ears perked at the mention of Black Lodge haha. Now I know where David Lynch got the idea. Fascinating video, keep up the good work!!

[@pamelatarajcak5634]

It wasn’t Lynch, it was a Mark Frost concept. Lynch likes Transcendental Meditation. Frost studied about Theosophy, as really present in his Secret History of Twin Peaks book or his unconnected novel, List of 7.

[@charlescalthrop2535]

@@pamelatarajcak5634 Yea, its kinda of a shame to see Mark Frosts contributions attributed to David Lynch.

[@AlicevonHindenburg]

You might need to lower the music volume mate

[@a2pabmb2]

You might need to have your hearing checked for common vocal frequencies.

[@mko-ai]

This seriously was very well equalized with his voice and I am the first to complain

[@AlicevonHindenburg]

@@a2pabmb2 You might need to check you reading comprehension, I said music volume, not the creator's voice.

[@AliceBowie]

The music only gets to loud around 25 minutes in. Then it isn't as bad for a while, then it gets louder.

[@Samdegraff]

point of order "nazi" was a derogatory term applied to the NSDAP. They never used it.

[@svenvanwier7196]

Goebbels wrote a book called Nazi-Sozi which is a q and a. Please read it

[@burgundy5222]

Makes sense, since they chose to not see.

[@AlexmaxPL]

Great video, but I had to use the subtitles at some points because the music was quite loud and made your voice hard to make out. Props for including subtitles by the way, since I brought them up, there's an error in them at 35:31 where they appear too early.

[@Rosencreutzzz]

Ugh, yeah, youtube doesn't know how to space them out when there's a pause, thanks for the notice on that. (It also takes them hours to upload sometimes for reasons I don't quite understand, so I often forget to check).

[@thorstenfinke2751]

The Black Lodge sounds like an awesome name for a black metal band :-D

[@bogdan6e6e6e]

There is a french black metal band going by Blacklodge actually, its about being on drugs lol

[@drageben145]

One thing i can say about Steiner is his interesting connection to anarchism and specifically the Norwegian anarchist movement of the 1970's mainly due to Steiner 1 being an anarchist early in his life before creating Anthropososphy and 2 the writer Jens Bjørneboe popularizing an anarchist view of Steiner in Norway though the view of an anarchist Anthroposophical synthesis wasn't that popular especially with groups such as ANORG which was against the whole idea it did have some backing from a small group of anarchists in Norway you can even find a writer in Gateavisa (an anarchist newspaper) writing about what he calls anthroposophical anarchism though i believe it's sadly only in Norwegian (just in case you don't read norwegian) So i find it funny when people try to say Rudolf Steiner inspired the nazis or something when the political movement he probably had the most influence on was anarchism Just some fun history about Steiner :3

[@Rosencreutzzz]

Interesting. I had a mini section planned where I went into Steiner's disagreements with Spengler more, but it got a bit too... esoteric (ha). By no means do I think his work lends itself to nazism so much as Theosophy, in certain veins can lend itself to all manner of movements. Largely, any confluence one could conjure would, as is often the case when going back further in time, rest on the general influences of anthropology and schools of anthropological thought. Tangentially, but sort of to that point of Theosophy's more liberative legacies, I've seen entire papers on the way Theosophy and movements like it sort of functioned as an alternative for Women's education in an era where few were allowed into higher education, sort of like an inversion of convents.

[@dinkaboutit4228]

Sometimes I lay awake at night imagining the day when an an anarchist Anthroposophical synthesis WILL be popular! Many Shubs and Zulls will know what it is to be roasted in the depths of the Sloar on that day I can tell you.

[@renatlottiepilled]

Great video, I'm so glad someone from the left can tackle the origins of new age thought and Theosophy without heavy biased judgement

[@THERI0NdotAI]

>We need more bisexual representation in esotericism >Aleister "Power-bottomed a man into insanity in the deserts of Egypt" Crowley: Am I a joke to you?

[@khaleelobrien2277]

HPB's Root Races theory is the most interesting and compelling aspect of Theosophy for me. According to her, our current civilization is, in the main, the 5th of 7 "races" that will evolve on earth aka the Aryan race; there were 4 before us, Atlanteans included. These races are really stages on a schedule of evolution of the human soul, where a specific quality is developed in the human during each stage. Each one of the 7 races/stages has 7 sub-races and each of those 7 in turn; the number 777 consummates this idea. The dominion of each race usually ends with a cataclysm of some kind, where the best of the current race is saved, set aside and used to seed the next race. Alternative sources outside HPB tell us that right now preparations are underway for the 6th race, which will be a psychic race among other things. It is said that the bible references these stages albeit in a veiled way: the mark of the beast 666 refers to one such stage in human evolution being the 6th sub-race of the 6th subrace of the 6th race. The book of revelation also talks about these races when it talk about the 7 seals, 7 trumpets and 7 vials or 777 which is the final race that will appear on earth after which something big happens....LMAO. Rudolph Steiner is also a brilliant source on this subject.

[@CamelDance]

Antrosophy in Germany and the Netherlands is these days known for two things: Being the basis behind Steiner schools, and having a lot of adherents who won't vaccinate their kids for some reason.

[@Rosencreutzzz]

There's a few different parts of Steiner's dogma about it, but this pdf is a pretty decent collation of Steiner's reasoning for being against vaccines. paam.wildapricot.org/resources/Pictures/07%20RS-Traditional%20Childhood%20Illnesses%20and%20Vaccines.pdf

[@QuintessentialJenesequa]

There's lots of valid reasons.

[@charlottewyttle1578]

This narrator is so terrified of being called racist! No one should live with such terror

[@ManuelSLaraBisch]

It's a little less famous for being the philosophy behind Germany's biggest organic food company Demeter.

[@realperson6957]

Hello Mr Rosencruetz. Just found your channel, and its bloody brilliant (have now watched every video I think). Keep at it mate :) the world needs more of your content.

[@user-tc5qc4ql8m]

a maybe not relevant anecdote about swastikas: years ago a friend was taking this class on electronic circuits and he sends me this text, "i don't know how to not make it look like this" with a picture attached of a circuit with a giant swastika-shaped wire right in the middle, his homework for the week. he said he spent like half an hour trying to arrange it differently but that that was just the most efficient shape he could think of lmao.

[@tastyhaze2058]

Thanks for the great video! There were some audio balancing issues in this one at times, particularly in the section about Steiner. The music is very pretty but I come here to hear you 😘

[@MustafaAlmosawi]

If you are interested in looking into a detailed metaphysical breakdown of the errors of Blvatsky’s Theosophical Society - I encourage you to read Rene Geunon’s Theosophy: History of a Paeudoreligion - he additionally goes into detail of the many errors and dangers of occultism and spiritualism as contrasted to true esoteric teachings within a mandated Divine Religion.

[@Rosencreutzzz]

Interesting, I'll put it on a list.

[@serafinatruth4029]

Madame Blavatsky was a Satanist. Just as a reminder.

[@youtubebane7036]

If by divine religion, you mean abrahamic, please spare the world such nonsense. If you meant the spiritual truth that theosophy so inadequately tries to describe, than, obviously, that's perfectly understandable and I have no argument.

[@brendancoburn427]

.......mandated Divine Religion? ALL fall short of the Glory of God!

[@lorihoop3831]

Jesus Christ, Lord of ALL. This video is really interesting though, it's good to know others beliefs so we are not ignorant.

[@petersamson5407]

The word Dugpa doesn’t seem to exist outside its association with the idea of the Black Lodge in theosophy. It was likely coined in the writings of Blavatsky, where it may be a misnomer for Drukpa, the majoritarian Buddhist sect of Bhutan, that some Tibetans, often adhering to the Gelugpa school, sometimes were describing in rather sinister terms.

[@rateeightx]

"Nazis are the reason Atlantis was sunk, And if they won our world would have been sunk as well" is certainly not a sentiment I ever thought I'd hear.

[@christopherhughes2492]

Bad luck for you, boobalah! The Nazis are sinking the present earth, right now. The right wing has a grip on the world and it is squeezing tight.

[@connerblank5069]

Being a super pedant, who only corrects _other_ pedants, is my favourite hobby! My favorite miscellaneous pedantic correction of pedants: _actually,_ calling Hollywood photographic memory eidetic is a misuse of the term! Eidetic memory refers to a specific phenomenon where some people can close their eyes and literally hold a photograph of what they were looking at in their mind for a bit. It takes significant concentration, and fades rapidly after they are done. I understand your confusion, since that does rather _sound_ like quite literally photographic memory, but photographic as used in _Hollywood_ is just a more generic super memory. Conflating the two confuses the purpose of the terms.

[@lacathouille]

As someone from Québec, first- thanks for aknowledging our existence, quite rare in the anglosphere Also, yes, we do have tarot, two of my sisters read tarot, and i'll eventually learn too. Great video!

[@Syndie702]

Hey I am working my way through your videos (I skipped the very first one because I already know how politicians killed the living wage) and I jumped to the most recent one because I have a question: What do you think about Hearts of Iron IV's refusal to portray Nazi atrocities in any meaningful way? Normally this is pretty understandable, but the No Step Back expansion is focused heavily on the Great Purge, so the game inadvertently advances the narrative that the Soviets committed atrocities whereas the Nazis did not, which is frankly unconscionable in the year 2022. By not portraying the Holocaust, the game sanitizes Nazism, but they still feign neutrality and thus don't sanitize other ideologies. I suspect that older Jewish groups would be pretty outraged by a video game portraying the Holocaust, but as a young Jewish person I think they need to do something to make fascism not just seem like the objectively best ideology within the world of their ostensibly historical game. Hypothetically, one could portray the drawbacks of fascism without directly mentionzining the Jewish Question. The HoI4 Nazi Germany could murder vague "undesirables" and "antifascists" and "communists" rather than Jews (though this would not be entirely unproblematic.) More events about Nazi massacres, focuses about the Konzentrationslager system, manpower reduction as the State murders undesirables, manpower bonuses to adjacent countries that take in German refugees, industrial debuffs due to refusal to allow women to work, and bonuses to partisans in Fascist controlled territory would all be ways to model the drawbacks of fascism. Some of these might already be in HoI4, I'm not very good at the game, and I mostly play Kaiserreich.

[@Rosencreutzzz]

I've given this a lot of thought, and while I do think there's things that can be done to better model atrocity in these games, and indeed the invention of a pretty strong double-standard with the changes in No Step Back, I earnestly can't think of a great way for them to introduce atrocity. (foregoing the PR nightmare of "patching in the holocaust") On one level, I think there's the very bleak, miserable fact that the Nazi war machine was funded by expropriating wealth from the conquered and the actions of the holocaust. Of course it absolutely had its own costs and an extermination campaign always will, but it is a bit of a myth to say that there was no profit in their...liquidations. There's this idea that floats around sometimes (Jordan Peterson once included it in a lecture too) of the ideological bend of the war being a sunk cost for the war machine. But in practice, the Nazi state was enacting a form of colonialism on the lands it seized and the people it consumed and it was for-profit. The real issue this creates is that it would have to be a mixed modifier, and it...it might even be "smart" from a gameplay perspective, and that's an uncomfortable truth. The game is about a world war that lasts the majority of the runtime, and so diplomatic repercussions are kinda moot. Genocidalists have no reason to care about something like an opinion malus when they're already in a total war with anyone who would care. The game doesn't care how stable your country would be in a hypothetical victorious post-1950 era. All that said, complete accuracy is never the name of these games, despite best efforts, best intentions, and multiple iterations. For an example of this, the Iberia flavor pack coming with an "expel minorities" button makes no real sense, in a Hispania context, because the Spanish particularly forbade minorities from settling new lands. In this, Paradox made a mechanic that is arguably intended for a country that did NOT do it, probably based on some popular truism, some misunderstanding of what the Inquisition and "exile" looked like in Spain,when it really more often mean pushing these people across the Mediterranean, or into hiding (a funny story in that latter example is the cultural artifacts of the times that historians discovered: fake sausage and cured meats, made of wax and other materials, meant to be hung in the window to pretend to be a Christian, given Jewish and Muslim Kashrut and halal practices respectively). I think the bonus to adjacent countries is a very good idea, tbh, and in some sense could even apply across ally networks in general, given the history of partisans. I'd even be willing to make an entire video on this but I'd want to have a better sense of some solution to this issue.

[@Rosencreutzzz]

Also, as someone who studied the Holocaust and worked with a group recording the oral history of the last group of survivors around where I went to college (some of them Kindertransport children, others who didn't get to leave, but almost all of them 7-16 when the Holocaust occurred), my personal definition of when we're finally in hell is when the last survivors are gone and Disney feels comfortable turning Anne Frank into a Disney movie with a talking mouse or something. By which I mean that I am... very cautious with how media (especially media meant to be enjoyed, rather than learned from) touches these events. We already have the Boy in Striped Pajamas to show us how casually media can be made by someone who knows *nothing* about the holocaust, for profit.

[@Syndie702]

@@Rosencreutzzz Yeah, I'm not intimately familiar enough with the game's mechanics to really suggest concrete improvements. The Holocaust, or any analogous "Fascist Atrocity" modifiers would have to be mixed. In terms of Germany doing colonization, if I recall correctly lebensraum is also not really portrayed. It would be hard to do this without inputting Victoria II's ethnic mechanics, which honestly seems like it wouldn't be a bad idea for HoI5 but would be beyond the scope of HoI4. I agree that Nazi atrocity would have to be a mixed modifier, and were it not for the game modeling other atrocities, I would probably leave it off. But it is at least as impactful on the war effort as The Great Purge was for the Soviets. Goebbels's refusal to put the German economy on a war footing, and Nazi ideology forcing an invasion of the Soviet Union are two areas where ideology clashes with alternate history. I would maybe add a slowly increasing stability/war support penalty for not invading the USSR past a certain point. I might also make trying to switch the economy to something more efficient result in a possible coup by Nazi hardliners (possibly led by Hitler himself, since you're playing the vague concept of Nazi-Germany, not Hitler himself. Acting against Hitler's wishes as Germany could result in Hitler intervening to put the player back on track, similar to Stalin's new paranoia mechanic.) Nazi Atrocity might best be modeled as a permanent National Spirit with mixed modifiers, that the player cannot remove while remaining fascist. It might simply be called "Nazi Atrocities." I think it would probably have an early game economic benefit that diminishes gradually, and stability penalties/partisan bonuses that gradually increase and become crippling by 1946. I'm mostly spitballing, might come back when my ideas are less half baked.

[@hugoguzman4985]

This was a really weird, rambling video, especially at the start. It's a decent overview of Theosophy, but I wish it had been called 'Intro to Theosophy,' instead of such an ambiguous title, or focusing on the Black Lodge in the thumbnail. That would have really clarified what the video is actually about.

[@porcupinecone7188]

What is the music that begins at about 31:30, with the discussion of the Black Lodge? Dark operatic male vocal.

[@princekermit0]

Fun fact, the US Army found a copy of HPs The Secret Doctrine on Adolph's bedside table.

[@altfemboy3109]

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised. I know this dude said that theosophy and Nazism aren't technically connected but it's undoubtedly how heavily influenced the Nazi's were by theosophy and Blavatsky's writings

[@ncpolley]

The moment you mentioned the first quote, my thought immediately was: Did the father of Rosicrucianism really just take his name and turn it into Rosae Crucis?

[@davidwave4]

My mother (RIP) was a practicing theosophist, and she and others saw theosophy more as an epistemological frame for guiding the study of religion than as a religious/cultic orientation. That being said, she also laundered or rejected many of the more outre ideas core to the canon (like the race science, the Black Lodge, or basically anything that came after Alice Bailey), so she might not exactly be emblematic of the median practitioner.

[@rdallas81]

Religion is deception. No one ever found God through Religion. True religion is in the bible- Charity through Love. A side effect of Faith in God- Faith in God means Faith in Messiah, who is Jesus Christ. "Seek HIM while He may be found" If you seek with all your heart.

[@rdallas81]

John 4:1-6) "Beloved, do NOT believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see if they be from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses Jesus Christ came in the flesh is from God, and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of antichrist, which you heard was coming and is in the world already. Little children, you are from God and have overcome them, for He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world. They are from the world, therefore they speak from the world, and the world listens to them. WE are from God. Whoever knows God listens to us; whoever is not from God does not listen to us. By THIS we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error."

[@Dramon8888]

I... feel like I have learned something from watching this video, but I think I didn't learn anything... Interesting one, though!

[@LoveYouPlant]

People usually say that after taking in a ton of information that they have very few prior connections to. It's hard to retain information without existing mental context, so it can feel like trying to unload a cement truck into a solo cup. (this is how I felt after watching the video too)

[@TheD3rp2]

I was actually aware of Helena Blavatsky before watching this because, of all things, she was mentioned briefly in some supplementary lore to an obscure 90s JRPG which approximately 27 people played. Had no idea that there was this much to her belief system though or, indeed, that its adherents were still around today. Also, it's a good thing that Besant no longer possesses a corporeal form, because I'm pretty sure that burn would have sent her straight to the Astral Plane.

[@Rosencreutzzz]

What jrpg was it? Something the persona games crowded out of the market?

[@TheD3rp2]

@@Rosencreutzzz Koudelka. It's a very unique game if nothing else, probably owing to its director resigning after release and never getting into the business again. Those who were left at the company he founded created what's technically a sequel, but it's very different in terms of tone and atmosphere. The connection with the subject of your video is that the eponymous character apparently spent some time living with Blavatsky in the years prior to her death, but from what I recall it never comes up in the game itself.

[@gregoriosaloes]

You don't need to go this far, fate grand order, a VERY popular mobile JRPG has her as a playable character.

[@Dong_Harvey]

@@TheD3rp2 if you liked Koudelka, you should follow it up with its spiritual sequels Shadow Hearts, then again you may already know all about that

[@TheD3rp2]

@@Dong_Harvey I've completed the first one and played a bit of the second, but SH just never really clicked with me. I may go back and complete the series someday, but for now I will say that "spiritual sequels" is pretty much the exact opposite of what they are.

[@eeleye733]

"and that's why this Pride Month I partnered with betterhelp" - freakin guffawed

[@TheRudeCake]

Next time make sure the background music stays in the background and doesn’t make what you’re saying completely inaudible due to how loud it is.

[@rodcameron7140]

That was pretty good. There was a lot of information, and I enjoyed the twist with the quote to prove a point. It would have been nice to have a list of your references for your research. Without that, it relegates all the information to a good story. Not to be taken seriously unless I happen upon corroborating information in my own research.

[@macizogalaico]

I'm from europe, galiza specifically, and tarot cards ARE the cards associated with divination, never for playing. playing cards in Europe follow different art styles, with the most popular being spanish, german and french cards. as the tarot cards originated from the original tarocchi, playing cards also came from there. it's not like tarot cards are ever used for casual card games

[@killingmewillnotbringbacky9177]

I've heard of it. Usually if you study esotericism history a little bit, you'll see the word at least once.

[@BlastBoyX]

The reason that so many of these groups seem pre-occupied with race is because eugenics was very fashionable science at the time, and science in general was changing society rapidly in ways that the populace was not psychologically prepared for, by way of the industrial revolution. People who saw value in traditional spiritual values that placed great importance on the humane treatment of individuals felt that they had to justify their now seemingly quaint and old fashioned views by associating them with this new religion of Scientism which sought to reduce everything in the universe to "mere material," stripped of all it's value beyond how it could be utilized and exploited. Steiner in particular felt he was battling for the very notion of free will itself, and all the spiritual values that proceed from it. That's why his work uses terms like "spiritual science" so often, to legitimize it in the eyes of the people he hoped to reach, namely those swayed by practical and tangible results yielded by scientific experimentation. Because this kind of worldview generally only accepted data measurable by the five empirical senses, he felt there was a real danger of losing things like "meaning," "value," and other abstract concepts that we take for granted in presupposing many of our own dearly held customs. You can see traces of this in other works of the Victorian Era and Romantic literature like Dracula, where much of the story is compromised of journal entries to lend it this air of legitimacy, as if the entries report real historical events. A central theme of Dracula is also how people like Dr. Seward cope when faced with a real supernatural experience that violates the dogma of their modern view, which they have clung to tenaciously to make sense of reality in the same way that a religious person clings to their dogma. No matter what Seward believes about the limits of reality, all that is dashed to bits when faced with a force like Dracula who violates it. Van Helsing, on the other hand approaches things much more like Steiner, accepting supernatural experience at face value and investigating it the way a scientist would.

[@TheSapphireLeo]

Sanguinarianism likely also eminates from agriculture and/ or "loosh"? Did bats and mosquitoes exist before them, or genetically engineered from colonialism?

[@miguelatkinson]

Their was no ideology of scientism around that time you just can't handle the fact that to most science valid means of knowledge but of course not just science their are other fields as well

[@stg213]

That's it! This is where I draw the line. You mess with Varg, we mess with you!

[@tiagghho]

I think that your strong point is talking history with a strategy game as framming device

[@vertexed5540]

As I understand, Adolf Hitler used the swastika as the symbol for the party which had quickly become his own due to the fact that it adorned the Catholic Church he attended in his youth.

[@b.benjamineriksson6030]

Some Waldorf schools are very culty....Just saying...

[@johnmcgraw3568]

That "Better Help" joke..... almost spit out my drink laughing.

[@deesevrin8570]

I had left a comment about being confused about Rudolph Steiner's teachings and Theosophy being conflated as a student of the Waldorf School who would later learn about Rudolph and Blavatski's diametric opposition later in life. After listening to a the rest of your video the only reason that confusion existed is because of the words correlation. Both the teachers and the parents were too ignorant of the core of the ideas to even keep the absolutely profound schizm between the two apart. I grew up thinking that Theosophy/Anthroposophy/R.S's teachings were one and the same and unlike my supposed elders I would go on to question these things and tonight you've cracked open many wonderful new questions for me. I was bullied incessantly by my classmates, the teachers were wannabe esoteric wierdos incabable of both occult and normy teachings but the base of the education taught me well despite their best efforts so if that doesn't speak to a resonance of truth I don't know what does. Those in my class it worked for are doing incredibly well for themselves Those whom it did not are floundering, to put it gently...at least insofar as I know I continue to meet confused castaways, one ever couple of years from one Waldorf School or another in dire need of basic occult teachings to make sense of the way they see the world so...I dunno, take that for what you will. They never taught us anything about the angels flying around the moon but that's probably for the best as they also knew nothing about the practice of grounding. I think if the teachers would all just embrace that they're into some weird reality bending bullshit instead some abstraction of 'the good in the world' the school would be doing much better for itself (apart from financially, they seem to have that covered I guess) and especially (mostly) the children who go through it. The rest of the video is great but I have little comment to add to it.

[@azardb]

I don't know!

[@WickedMo13]

So what is the Black Lodge up to now?

[@b.benjamineriksson6030]

Lodging

[@thenewaeon]

Developing generative AI

[@CrankyRayy]

lodging all over the place. truly one of the lodges of all time.

[@Catboy34uwu]

I know this is a year old and my comment probably won’t be seen, but does anybody know any of the music used throughout the video?

[@oscarfletcher-nx9uf]

No idea what it is specifically, but it sounds like general church hymns or background music. Try searching for gnostic religious church chants on KZbin and you'll probably what you're looking for after a few recommended videos.

[@jennifs6868]

the string stuff sounded similar to vaughan williams, fantasia on a theme by thomas tallis. also check out the works of arvo part if you like that, and don't mind going more modern. then there's H gorecki: symphony no. 3....

[@jennifs6868]

Also, around the black lodge section, the music sounded similar to the requiem of Mozart.

[@shtehfaw]

Me: (tries to focus) My brain: Hey! Vicky 2 music!

[@dakotapeters5654]

7:14 the part about a good vs a bad swastika is actually describing 2 different symbols for 2 different meanings or organizations. Found that out myself about 6 to 8 months ago.

[@hugoguzman4985]

Also, the Leadbeater epilogue was the funniest thing I've seen this whole month so far.

[@boomshanka8743]

Good stuff, thank you. The music is way too loud though.

[@LJW1912]

Clicked entirely because of Twin Peaks

[@jesusmind1611]

I was a Bailey devottee for about 5 years without anything but the texts, and I rejected the whole idea that she got her narrative from a Master. There was eternal wisdom and yet I am convinced that at least 51% of the Esoteric Wisdom and the Intiations along the 3 major and 4 minors rays and the hidden Planetary Civilizations that Influece the 3 Lokas here, Humanity, The Heirarchy, and Shambala was information that she clearly pulled out of choochie choo. I recall being on a mountain side at about 10,000 ft. and the Whole Black lodge of heartless invisible Masters came up so I thought yeah sure...ever met a disembodied friend, or a demon? Yes and never Threw it off the Mountain. There is no evil in the timeless Homeworld. There is no need to study history esoterica. There is no Heirarchy but in the minds of men not the sages and lovers and miracles workers. No leaders, no followers. You can get prety close to God (Science-introspection) without religion and Theosophy is a egotistical waste of time. Over wrought drift and making chit up. Be happy, trust something and I dunno

[@DanHintz]

nice work but: the music is too loud in the mix, yo.

[@MuttMagician]

Man this video went off the rails and I love it.

[@myronmason8170]

As an occultist, this was an interesting look into Theosophy and I am surprised you did a video on it! I would not call them a "cult" though given the negative connotations of that word in our modern world. Thanks for making this!

[@Rosencreutzzz]

Yeah, admittedly it is slightly a bait title and I don't really call them a cult in the video proper, but that is *nominally* what they are...even if most people think of like secret orgs or satanists or Charles Manson when they hear the word "cult" My logic was mostly that writing "Esoteric Order" would be both more wordy and mean nothing to a lot of people. Glad to hear you liked it otherwise.

[@myronmason8170]

@@Rosencreutzzz Yeah I understand!

[@smileyp4535]

I can't believe people still take elon seriously

[@ManlyHandshake]

Look upon his works and despair hater

[@Tester-kq8zd]

His works: A bulky electric "truck" that cant get wet Rebranding twitter as "X" removing popular features, and constantly driving away ad companies for his bad takes a brain chip that kills monkeys that he wants/thinks people will actually use

[@Gianfranco_69]

Can i get an ID for the excellent 'Appalachian Dharma Drone' type music please?

[@tierfreund780]

Comrade, do you know anything about how all this starseed stuff and 5d ascension that's going on now and where it comes from? I see them talking about Atlantis and Lemuria all the time so I think there's a link there, and ascension and manifesting obviously have a theosophical vibe but it's so slippery it's hard to find where the points of influence happened.

[@andrefilipe9042]

A lot of these people believe they can communicate with entities that where teaching about this topics back in the times of Atlantis, so there might be that.

[@Headytopper125]

I really like how accessible this video is, I’ve been minorly interested in this subject for a while but this did a great job of explaining everything in a cohesive way

[@hozonov7995]

6:56 I strive each day of my life to become a Mega-vampire

[@user-pj1fx7ke7f]

please consider mixing the music at a lower volume to enhance the hearing. thank you.

[@etiennegarant7545]

That sure was interesting and wild! I'm glad you recovered and look forward the controversy of what's next on the video menu

[@mikecrowley2472]

Ahem! His name was Krishnamurti (= form of Krishna) and NOT Krishnamutri (= Krishna urine).

[@chtulufhtagn1344]

I like the video, but I think you overdid it with the music volume. I couldn't pay attention to what you were saying :(

[@Michael-yx5qx]

You can't say tarot don't have any true occult meaning to them.

[@fusion9619]

I really like the music in this. Is that a citar? Some kind of stringed instrument... How do i find music like this?

[@SP_A_C_E_D]

Baroque music

[@tophatjoe5042]

35:18 is probably the hardest I've laughed in a while. Excellent comedic juxtaposition dude.

[@montyadam9965]

Good and informative video! ❤ But I need to say you "underrepresented" the Waldorf-Schools.. It's a complicated topic for sure, but as a german (even if I don't like private schools in general) these types of schools are really something else! Steiners "believes" and the education models that emerged from them are to be viewed really critically! Apart from the esoteric perspective, there are many connections to the far right here in german speaking countries. This whole topic deserves a video on it's own.. I just wanted to say this bc I felt like you didn't really touch this..

[@natalieshark]

I’ve been into Twin Peaks for about 22 years now and this was great. Very interesting stuff to learn.

[@debi4781]

Hello, I'm wondering if there's anywhere you have a playlist for the music you use in your videos? Thank you!

[@carna-9501]

Man just casually dissed Varg Vikernes for being an ariosophist, then moved right on to the point. Absolutely based.

[@xyttra]

Clicked on this because of the Black Lodge thumbnail because I'm such a Twin Peaks nut.

[@kihondosa4]

"if my sons didn't want wars, there would be none" 1847 -till today

[@LukeSky2207]

Are you in any way affiliated with Freemasonry too? Just asking because Rosecrucians sometimes even share temples with Freemasons here in Brazil, and I know moe than a few "uncle" masons who are also rosecrucians.

[@torhammer5238]

Concerning Waldorf I think it is more fair to say that some or even most “do not do insidious cult stuff or indoctrinating children into race-hierarchy reincarnation.” We hade some scandals in Sweden recently on this topic.

[@Youkaikaze]

I love that you add your humor to serious subjects. Great video, brother

[@leslielandberg5620]

Krishna murti very influential but much more of a traditionalist bringing Indian religion (esotericism) to the West. He incorporated meditation and was a cross over spiritually, being this influenced by Bhiddist thought. He had many followers and was a gentle, genuine, benign and humble person.

[@Aryasvitkona]

I am both amazed and shocked we have unironic atlantis believers who believed in weird kinda suspicious superior race stuff who are not only not Nazis, but explicitly anti nazi. I never thought I'd see the day. Normally Atlantis comes up and I'm just counting the words until it gets revealed they were nazis, I'm impressed!

[@nathanmcfarland3568]

There's a lot of bisexual representation in the history of esoteric orders.

[@JohnWilliams-pn7ft]

Gotta insert your agenda in everything huh...

[@bitcoingabriel]

incredible overview more of this please

[@martinzelaya2927]

Both the martinist order and theosphy make use of a six pointed star. The difference is in theosphy the black triangle is pointing up.. Black lodge.

[@TheRealCaelestium]

We all know that germany stole the word Aryan from Indians and Iranians but after researching on this, I feel like that the Svastika used by the nazis was also stolen from India, as opposed to Hitler adopting it from old norse pagan culture as many claim now days. Because unlike norse paganism, hinduism was not destroyed and usage of svastika in the subcontinent has been continous since Indus valley civilization. How did the Sanskrit name for the symbol got prevalent anyways if not for this very reason?

[@EugenethePhilostopher]

Are you a Rosicrucian?

[@felixlipski3956]

I actually like the music. But can you please explain your name? I mean, it's literally Rosenkreuz spelled slighly different and you're talking about the topic like you're some kind of outside observer?

[@marcpennington8455]

Each race has a slightly different progenitor, what that is we don’t know. But there hasn’t been near enough time for standard evolution to account for dramatic differences in phenotype expressions.

[@jacksonlyman5242]

I laugh when people think it’s a swastika, such an American way of thinking and western. Look up other countries interpretation of it they dont even know what a swastika is and its a sacred marking

[@burgundy5222]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think that it represents or refers to the Big Dipper moving (from bottom to top view) from season to season. Inherently Cyclical.

[@jamesmeeks4852]

The first quote set the stage up nicely for me. It reminds me of a biblical quote: " Study to show thyself approved. A workman of GOD, who need not be ashamed. Rightfully dividing The Word of Truth". And," Compare the scriptures with scriptures" even though at the time that was written there was no New Testament only the Torah. Everything we need to know about our GOD(s) can't be contained within books. Experience through experimentation in fight is the only true way to test, understand and fully embrace a spiritual practice. Great content.

[@WavesOfThirteen13]

Nice to see a channel that doesn't make Theosophy a horrible dark force. I've been reading Blavatsky for over two decades. Thank you for seeing her integrity.

[@serafinatruth4029]

All high ranking nazis were deeply into the occult same stuff as the theosophists. Their occultism is the same - committing all sorts of sorcery and perversions to invoke spiritual entities that are supposed to empower them.

[@miguelatkinson]

Idk about all high ranking nazis that seems like hyperbole

[@serafinatruth4029]

@@miguelatkinson Do Your research please. Hitler had Albert Speer copy the Pergamon Altar im Berlin that Jesus Christ calls "the Throne of Satan" in order to be holding his enchanted speeches at night. So did Obama. The occultists are hiding knowledge. Occult means "hidden". Hitler got most Power through industrial Tycoon supporters from the secret society "Thule Gesellschaft" where Seebottendorf was one major magician. In Argentina after the war the high prophile top level nazis were recycled to control administration & industry. When old collections of "hidden" nazi ítems turn up in Argentina they will contain Egyptian Temple magic items like Isis sculptures etc. In 1947 they had a Nazi welcome cermony outside Buenos Aires at the delta (el ojo) where they made ancient rituals killing so many for sacrifice. All of this block s your way to Heaven. The Holy Scriptures are clear enough. You will not enter if you did sourcery. (Deuteronomy 18:10). You go to hell for It.

[@JSHayward3]

I think there's probably some wonderfully rich information in this video. I just can't get past the overriding high-pitched tone in the music that was chosen. I actually kind of appreciate it as a brilliant way of keeping the occult occult.

[@pablosalazarsojo3877]

Is there a connection or inspiration between the Dugpa and the league of shadow of the Batman comics?

[@Firronox]

Maybe, but League of shadows is most probably inspired by Hashishin order of Middle East.

[@tunguskalumberjack9987]

@@FirronoxHassan i Sabbah sends his fond regards from Alamout.