On The Principle “No Enemies on the Right”

[@MrSmith-zy2bp]

8:15 "Left ideology is the ideology that is the essence of the so-called Enlightenment." Amen!

[@PaulPhoenix2010]

It's a great strength of Charles that he is Orthodox, the terrible problem with our Protestant brothers and allies is that they are in a permanent state of confusion, which causes them to hinder when trying to help.

[@geoff9236]

Charles, I have a question about point 9 (NEOTR is not a permanent principle): When the right gains power, what can be done to prevent a religious majority (US Protestants) from deciding that the Orthodox, Catholics, Mormons, etc are enemies. This may seem to be a silly question relative to today’s problems, but it hasn’t been a silly question historically, and one that liberalism-with all of its now-obvious failings-did attempt to address.

[@CharlesHaywood]

Nothing, really. As you say, it's not a silly question historically.

[@marketgarden1]

In an ideal world, while we are playing make-believe, theres no reason why everyone has to live together. If it was on the table right now to segregate on a national scale into different areas based on political, religious or ideological beliefs there wouldnt be any 'left v right' nonsense, the christians could all go form their own states, white people could go form their own state, egalitarian utopian communists could all go form their own state etc. Under no circumstance would I ever consider being ruled by some christian despot preaching jewish slave drivel at me or my descendants as any sort of 'victory' and nor should any of those believers want to ever live with me.

[@geoff9236]

Similar to misgivings about Christian nationalism. Who’s Christianity? Being Eastern Orthodox, the answer will almost certainly be: not mine. Instinctively I am in favor of NEOTR, and your argument is strong, but would Trotsky have been in favor of NEOTL at the time of the October Revolution? This would seem to be the strongest critique, which I don't know if you addressed? Will your pragmatic coalition eventually turn on you?@@CharlesHaywood

[@arminius504]

@@geoff9236Read some of the CN guys. Because they are Protestants you most likely will not be suppressed or in trouble at all. They are probably best suited of tolerating other forms of Christianity. Eastern Orthodoxy (ROCOR) would be very different. Protestants are the most likely to build a broad coalition tolerating different denominations.

[@tonyconiglio6941]

The idea that liberalism emerged to try and put an end to religious wars is liberalism's origin myth. It has NOTHING, literally nothing, to do with historical reality. Liberalism historically was actually just the integralism of low-church Anglo-Protestantism

[@JoseVelazquez-su5nm]

First!

[@AetherXIV]

My hardest test for this principle is Ben Shapiro. What do you do with him?

[@gorillabiskut]

My thought is ultimately, he is an enemy

[@CharlesHaywood]

A fair question. My honest answer is that I know nearly nothing about Shapiro, but my default is that he's on the Right, but not a very useful person on the Right. There will always be some edge cases. Being Jewish doesn't make him not Right, nor, for that matter, does Zionism, which is not a Left philosophy, but a form of nationalism (that can undercut loyalty to one's own nation, to be sure, but that is a totally separate matter from the Left/Right divide).

[@johnwatts8346]

that old shapiro question, its a tricky one innit.

[@scottgun]

You beat me to it, but I'd expand it and call it the Dave Rubin test of NEOTR. What to do with Rubin and the bevy of conservatives (of which I believe Shapiro was one) that lined up to congratulate his demonic parody of marriage?

[@CharlesHaywood]

Rubin is most definitely not on the Right. He falls into Tenet 8.