One Celeste Screen for Every Difficulty

[@theblueberrypi6152]

The moment when you are watching expert and think there’s not much left because this already looks humanly impossible then you realize you are only one-third through the video

[@gmdFrame]

Okay but how th expert looks humanly impossible

[@Martin-fb9pb]

​​@@gmdFrameI like to watch some Celeste map clears from time to time to see how I'm progressing, it's a great feeling. I started seeing Expert as humanly impossible, and now that I am advanced yellow-red I can see myself doing it in the (not so near) future. Now Grandmaster and beyond, when I become a TAS bot we may talk about those.

[@jamesmckenna2559]

​@@Martin-fb9pbgrandmaster is hard but like if you grind there should be some maps that you can do even now, the tech knowledge is normally a pretty strong barrier to entry. However i know of people who just skipped straight to gm maps because they wanted to. Like lava layer is a techless gm map in the strawberry jam collab and it would take a few hours but I feel like an advanced player could grind it out. Just have faith in yourself its often not as impossible as it looks(until you hit red gm and beyond)

[@Faunarr]

Its probably weird for me but uh, I always saw Expert maps as doable. I'm currently finishing a red Advanced map. I started playing SJ like 2-4 days ago and wanted to see which level I'm okay with. So far red advanced is still pretty easy to me. So I'm gonna move onto green expert once I'm done with that map which will probably be by the end of today. I every level in Celeste within 31 hours of playing it. The only thing I haven't done is the golden berries but I'll probably do that when I can be bothered to do them.

[@PrivateForPersonalReasons]

The fact I read this at that exact moment

[@Q______o]

Hopefully this shows non celeste players that we are not just playing hard maps to be masochists but because there's an actual progression in difficulty and eventually those are fine. Also that we don't beat everything by muscle memory or something Except Gm + 2 basically no matter what you're spending like minimum 2 hours per room

[@OfficialEtherial]

Whatever's good for you, Masochist.

[@laceylopp7039]

we don’t beat everything by muscle memory??

[@khalfy_kun]

But. . . We are masochists! We do beat everything by muscle memory! We're also all trans for some reason!

[@Icomplaintoomuch]

@@khalfy_kunAs a beginner trans Celester, can confirm. I dont feel good playing farewell, but cant get myself to stop, and always beat rooms due to muscle memory.

[@charteon9092]

Yeah no, I’ve only just finished sj intermediate lobby and I’m gonna be honest, it all eventually becomes muscle memory. Im really bad at improvising, (which sucks when going for golden strawberries

[@aloysiuskurnia7643]

As a nonplayer, it goes from "dang that looks pretty hard already" to "boi this looks impossible to me" to "this looks entertaining" as my brain just giving up seeing those as meant to be played lmao

[@freshstat1csnow]

i'm decent at celeste and know a fair bit about the movement tech involved in the harder mods and i still wouldn't be able to do most of them within this lifetime lmao

[@ThreeletterIGN]

⁠@@freshstat1csnowI thought that when I was in like advanced-expert too. Like 7 months later, I beat CPVL ( 8:34 ) and I’m almost done with Avian Ascension which is I think red gm+1 Edit: I beat Avian!

[@lingyuanyan1722]

How long ago were you in Advanced expert? I am just gearing up to do the advanced heart side I. SJ after fjnishjng the rest of the levels

[@ThreeletterIGN]

@@lingyuanyan1722 Around half a year ago

[@runcinated_icosatetrachoron]

​@ThreeletterIGN Damn, how'd you adcance so quickly? I've been stuck on sj's gm lobby for more than a year, and with like 900 hours of playtime I'm just starting the gm reds.

[@noobrownies]

"us presidential election d-side" has got to be the funniest name for a celeste mod ever

[@egfloggygoggy]

the 2000s american housing crisis is also awesome

[@jftyjghj]

Moce cpcl

[@SquishGD]

iirc the full name is Madeline votes in the 2020 U.S. presidential election D side

[@karamboubou8579]

There's a map called "The 2000's American Housing Crisis" with room names like "Macroeconomic Trends in Southeast Asia Suggest Long Road to Recovery"

[@misscatbirdreal]

@@jftyjghjcpvl*

[@ruv_the_real]

Everything up to expert: learning mechanics and the actual movement Grandmaster: SPEEEEEEEEEEEEED! Grandmaster+ : precision to the level of a thread though a needle blindfolded with numb hands

[@nachomania1414]

While having a fucking seizure

[@the_something_something]

@@nachomania1414ALSO while in freezing temperatures

[@BigTiffany]

Not really but i get what your saying

[@wakaba-v5u]

green beginner to redadv is tech tutorial ex is application gm-gm+x is tech extension with precision

[@constant249]

@@wakaba-v5ugm green-yellow is still teaching gultras :/

[@MysticMelody124]

Me: I've collected all Celeste C-Side Goldens. Celeste Grandmasters: Awww, that's so cute.

[@kanfoosj]

I'm happy with my b-sides.

[@x-asterisk-x]

as a gm player, i don't collect any goldens(not even the c-sides)

[@Mike7906-fj8gc]

Yeah that's a completely different skill

[@kakorotskywalker]

I have 183 berries and I'm just looking at this like WTF- 😭😭😭

[@WatermelonDoge]

the c-side goldens are the easiest though

[@bunshine]

for the record, for those who don't play celeste, the vast majority of maps do not go past grandmaster. it is only a tiny miniscule amount of extremely hardcore maps that are deliberately that hard. there's like maybe just a couple maps beyond gm+1. i have no interest in these personally! but i've played loads of celeste, so i'm here to let y'all know that there is sooo so much lovely stuff to enjoy even in just beginner!!

[@fearacha965]

I'm confused. I finished the game. I'm at the b-side of the summit. I didn't even know there were c-sides. And some of those other maps also don't look like they are from the game. Are they mods or how do you unlock those?

[@AttyPatty3]

​@@fearacha965yes all the maps from hellow advanced onwards are not in the game and are modded maps. Modded celeste is a joy to play and you should definitely try it out!

[@byrne1807]

@@fearacha965mods, abc sides for chapters 1-8 plus chapter 9 are base game (technically farewell is dlc but) and everything else in here is a mod

[@thecodewarrior7925]

@@fearacha965they’re using the Everest mod loader

[@andermium]

@@fearacha965 Anything after Summit C-side shown in this video is mods. Check the description for those maps. C-sides should unlock when you complete all B-sides. And while they have harder screens, they're only 3 screens long so not as demanding as B-sides in terms of endurance.

[@lumi7292]

as someone who's only played the base game, i shit my pants when i saw summit c-side, widely regarded as the hardest level, placed on the easier side of advanced. Really helps put into perspective just how dedicated the community must be. Great vid :3

[@taylor3621]

Same, I just beat Summit C-Side today and I was waiting for Farewell to appear... goodness I was wrong.

[@minedone1236]

I found Chapter 3 C Side harder than Chapter 7 C Side 😅 I liked chapter 7 C Side, it was perfect difficulty for me

[@legendfinder]

@@minedone1236 Same. Chapter 7 C-side is the right amount of difficulty for me to come back to it and feel good about beating it every time. Although Farewell's final screen is shapin up to take its place for me.

[@matzck9674]

The final screen of farewell is pretty much a 2min long intermediate green screen. The length and the stress involved makes the difficulty of it, but execution wise once you've cleared it once it doesn't hold a candle to some of the earlier screens in farewell or 7/8C

[@misscatbirdreal]

7c final isn’t even advanced lol, it’s like yellow intermediate

[@rioriorio17]

Im coming to this video cause I wanted to see how hard this game got. Bro I didn’t even realize that C sides even existed.

[@imakevideos687]

I honestly think the c sides are easier than the b sides. C sides are way shorter but have harder rooms

[@rioriorio17]

@@imakevideos687 yeah after doing them I would agree.

[@psymar]

​​@@imakevideos687Maybe aside from 3C, I got through the B-sides with 50% speed from assist mode but I'm utterly stuck on the 3C Oshiro section. Maybe the C-sides are easier to golden, but as a filthy casual who died over 1000 times on 3A, they're way harder

[@Fellamemes]

@@psymarokay i havent done any c sides yet but i swear 3-b was the hardest level for me (i have only done a few b sides so far) It took me 7 hours and a dew thousand deaths

[@heianwood6119]

I did c1 and c2 with like 50 70 deaths respectively C3 and c4 are impossible to me bcs my brain cannot comprehend funne ghosts and c4 has fockin wind

[@mystral_fox]

although dashless+ r24 Is no longer gm+3 due to strats, it is gm+3 with the way dan cleared it (which is the way shown in the video so its still correct) :3

[@MagicianStevey]

Yeah I was about to say this lmao

[@WeeklyDoseOfCeleste]

Yeah i actually can't believe just how much r24 has been supplanted in terms of difficulty due to what has been found.

[@toshii2198]

How is GM+3 defined at the moment? Afair GM+2 was anything harder than AA?

[@MagicianStevey]

@@toshii2198 if a room is harder than Venus (hardest +2 room iirc?) then it’s gm+3 No idea if Venus is the hardest +2 room or not but I remember it being the hardest

[@mystral_fox]

@@toshii2198 It's not defined , at all . and it won't be for a while probably, it's just fully based off of feel

[@dandyspacedandy]

grandmaster+ levels look like malevolent entities of eldritch origin that you must take care not to upset, lest you fall prey to its many hazards and are consumed like the players who've come before you and the players who will come after.

[@egfloggygoggy]

its fun

[@dandyspacedandy]

@@egfloggygoggy they literally have teeth with which to eat you

[@TheOneWhoHasABadName]

⁠@@dandyspacedandy good thing you can jump off them sometimes

[@TheOneWhoHasABadName]

also now I notice you say eldritch entities, the inputs to pass a GM level is more like a ritual do these actions at the correct time to appease the entity so that it doesn’t eat you. (meanwhile, TASes are just good enough to defeat the entity outright)

[@theoriginalgdluigi]

I’ve cleared 7 of them, it’s fun

[@nuzzlx]

As someone who hasnt played Celeste since 2019, I full on yelled "PLUS THREE?!" when you got to Grandmaster +3 lmfao, fully expected +2 to be the last difficulty.

[@NottSaying]

you think that's bad? Wait till you hear about +0

[@henzelman5218]

AND THIS IS EVEN FURTHER BEYOND! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[@dry4smash946]

⁠@@NottSayingthats for goldens, goldens are separated into tiers going downwards (so like from tier 9 for example going downwards to tier 0)

[@paolarei4418]

​@@dry4smash946Why didn't they do it upward then._.

[@dry4smash946]

@@paolarei4418 whhhhy not, you cant answer every question in life after all 😌

[@niyo919]

The end of base game Celeste was one of the hardest platforming challenges I've ever done (harder than hollow knight's path of pain) and you're calling it easy mode? Jeeeesus, yall are cracked.

[@daridon2483]

Hell, even summit c sides, one of the hardest levels in the base game, is only considered easy-advanced. They are absolutely insane

[@zaidlacksalastname4905]

Not harder than path of pain imo, took me way less time

[@braydenguy907]

@@zaidlacksalastname4905 path of pain is easy bro

[@leafar08]

As a "Farewell last room completed" player, I feel non existent 😢

[@MAML_]

green-yellow advanced

[@oloiwojo]

@@MAML_ red int

[@azeTrom17]

@@oloiwojo If I'm not mistaken, there are a few rooms in Farewell that would be considered green advanced by Strawberry Jam standards, but it's ofc pretty subjective and regardless most of the level is around the difficulty of SJ's red int

[@pachicore]

I still think 7 C-side is like the hardest thing i've done in this game (i've only completed up to Monika's 3 D side)

[@azeTrom17]

@@pachicore Yeah that room's a contender for green advanced, I've seen it debated. And most people I've talked to consider it harder than any room in farewell, except maybe Comb Room

[@esteb7496]

Very good video that will probably be useful to a lot of new players

[@lexrun2572]

as a new player is have no idea what’s happening

[@634n5]

i just finished my first sub 1-hour speedrun of celeste. saw this video and thought, i wonder if i know any of these. little did i know advanced green was the hardest i had ever done.

[@OtterCon]

After not playing Celeste in so many years, i finally got it on sale on steam not long ago, and it's pleasing to see that I'm sitting in the intermediate area! Excited to get into the custom content in time

[@atomikaI]

I'm a fan of celeste but not super involved in the community. I 100% the base game and tried out strawberry jam, but quit near the end of the intermediate lobby when the levels started becoming more annoying than fun for me. I was aware that super hard levels existed far beyond my skill range, but still considered myself a fairly decent player, at least until watching this video lol. I could never have the patience or precision for jumpless+

[@dr.angerous]

You suck

[@codeninja3295]

very good video! based on what i’ve seen in strawberry jam, i feel like a lot of beginner and intermediate stuff is harder than the examples you gave (though i might be wrong/misremembering), but this was fun to watch. also, as an intermediate player, the later difficulty demonstrations start to lose meaning because all those levels fall into the category of “this looks humanly impossible why do people play this” lol

[@favretheundead]

some of sj's difficulties (especially beginner and int) are slightly inflated difficulty wise compared to the usual definitions: begginner = 1a-2b, int=3b-farewell, adv=7c3+, expert=monika's d-sides

[@codeninja3295]

@@favretheundead ah, i didn’t know that, thanks! that explains a lot; my celeste mod knowledge is almost entirely limited to strawberry jam lol

[@Insert_Creativity_Here]

@@favretheundeadI mean I definitely lean towards the SJ definition of intermediate and onwards (though not always the case) having to do with the tech used. I consider something like 6b and even 7b before it teaches you how to wallbounce to be red beginner, farewell getting into intermediate, etc. I’m hard pressed to say anything in unmodded Celeste goes past intermediate difficulty except maybe the dashless berry in 1a bc there’s just some ridiculous inputs you have to do to get that one.

[@Ran_kotonoha]

@@Insert_Creativity_Here Some of the techniques required for 1A dashless golden berry are almost the same as those required for 1D.

[@squiddu]

​​@@Ran_kotonoha gonna use this to slightly jab at monika's idea of when they think you can play d-sides because I feel like they're losing their mind if they believe nearly half of them could be done by people who haven't even beaten the entirety of base game (for reference, I've done 1a/b-5a)

[@setk99]

I love how spikes are more of a suggestion than a hazard in this game.

[@iamdonewitheverything]

3:00 Bee Berserk is probably the most funnest map I have played in the advanced section of SJ, the difficulty isn't too hard, and best of all is that the stamina is infinite. Edit 1: For the Expert Lobby of SJ, there are three levels, Psychokinetic, Clockwork and Madeline: The Bubble. Psychokinetic is just a speed level which I like, and the other two levels are so smooth and fun to play. Although The Flying Madeline is a close call for my favorite expert map. As for GM Lobby, I like Drifting Deep and Ivory the most. Drifting Deep drags, but it’s amazing to play Expert gameplay on a GM map. As for Ivory, it’s another speed map. Who doesn’t like backboosting into a dream block and gain 250+ speed to cross an oddly large gap?

[@Konomi_io]

100% agreed, its so fun

[@crckrbrrs]

i did it after the lab (red adv) to go for an "easier" map, ended up not being able to beat it, did starlight station (another red adv), no still no dice, went straight to chromatic complex (red exp) and i still cant do bee berserk

[@iamdonewitheverything]

@@crckrbrrs You can do Chromatic Complex but not Bee Berserk?

[@Puffman728]

I didnt really like the final screen. Those purple bubble hypers felt so inconsistent

[@wakaba-v5u]

Khutara garden better imo

[@i_Soar]

0:00: Actual screens 4:21 onward: Mental illnesses

[@KottonBall_]

if the first 3 are beginner then I’m never playing Celeste Edit: I got Celeste Edit 2: I’m on Farewell please help me

[@togekiss09]

Beginner for modded standards, i 100%'d every single level in vanilla celeste but I struggle with advanced, most of vanilla is beginner and intermediate

[@Hanjo8787]

Lmfaooooo beware the mf pipeline my guy 😂 soon you’ll be like me saying “yeah I’ll play expert but never gm maps”

[@FrejaW]

This really shows for me how I’ve progressed. Still I am not very good and it takes thousands of deaths but I was struggling on a-side of most chapters and now I’m on chapter 4 or 5 b side. Still very difficult for me but knowing I’m getting better is so rewarding

[@SG2048-meta]

Nice job! Where are you at now? I’m currently struggling on 7C.

[@I_am_Mic]

sometimes. I watch this video from time to time and congratulate myself on how much I've grown when playing this game. it's so satisfying seeing your skills progress as time goes on.

[@LeafyGrovyle]

This so much, I really love going back to this video and see where I'm at with my skills

[@wakaba-v5u]

red gm rn

[@I_am_Mic]

@wakaba-v5u LIKE HOW

[@wakaba-v5u]

@@I_am_Mic try it

[@I_am_Mic]

@wakaba-v5u I'm still in the middle of farewell, it's beating my ass

[@artificers-predecessor]

Man, simply WATCHING a playthrough of kevintechspam sends dopamine rushing through my brain. That map is just awesome. The music is also stuck in my head.

[@swagmancoolkid1637]

its great knowing i peaked at base summit and i am literally classified as a beginner

[@Nyx__]

After advanced I couldn't even grasp what was happening most of the time

[@eragons1894]

The fact that i have 100% on Celeste and just found out i barely scratched the Advanced skill barrier is both fascinating and frightening.

[@Hypoure]

gg on ToHH

[@leonhard6327]

After Expert I would be lost to some extent. Didn't get around to do many ultras and beyond yet. But I enjoyed seeing what is still to come, when I find the time to refine my skills |-')

[@astrylleaf]

they've got to come up with better names for higher difficulties

[@egfloggygoggy]

there've been some names like astral and celestial for the gm+ difficulties but I'm not the biggest fan of them and most people aren't calling the difficulties by those names

[@ThreeletterIGN]

gm+ is easier to understand though

[@MagicianStevey]

Names for gm+ are so bad lmao Keeping it as +1 or +2 is easy to understand and also doesn’t cause confusion as long as you know what gm means

[@ThreeletterIGN]

@@petrikhorr True lmao

[@SG2048-meta]

@aaaton552050: grandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandmaster (AKA gm+18)

[@hungrypizzafox]

This is just insane! I struggled on the last C side level and gave up, the fact these guys still pushed through on the most crazy levels and actually took the time to complete them is literally god tier! Props to anyone who made such a crazy accomplishment.

[@ExtemTheHedgehogLol]

surprised that farewell isn't on this list honestly

[@-Logan_Word-7437]

Everything on this list you see past 7c is WAY harder than farewell, although I do agree that maybe the moon berry room is around the same difficulty as some of the c sides’ final rooms

[@nicolascostantino4370]

From what Im seeing Farewell isnt difficult for any particular room its just the first endurance test new players will come across. Where 7c, while short, has one very difficult screen with the first intro of actually precise movement. Probably the hardest thing mechanically in the base game if we just go on each individual jump rather than the 5 minute section in farewell. Plus it fits easier into a video like this

[@ziwuri]

farewell averages around intermediate difficulty and peaks at low advanced

[@flango348]

It used the same mechanics as deep blue (a red intermediate) but isn’t really as difficult, so it might squeeze into red intermediate.

[@WatermelonDoge]

in my opinion farewells final room as well as the moon berry room are both a lot more difficult than the final room of 7c@@-Logan_Word-7437

[@klopsmmm]

0:08 THAT'S HOW YOU DO THIS ROOM?

[@someone4229]

H-how- did you do it??

[@jorgelenny47]

My guy was corner jumping on the first 20 minutes of gameplay like a true celeste player

[@klopsmmm]

@@jorgelenny47 that's exactly what I did, by accident 😭

[@mynameiskabo]

Im just happy i could complete a green advanced!

[@anthonymanake]

the first time i watched this i was like "well fuck superstructure is like impossible" and i beat it like 6 hours ago and it was awesome

[@Spicygoats]

"Oh wow Expert looks pretty tough haha." :] *"wait why am I not even halfway done with the video?" :|*

[@commercialchase8442]

The bubbles at 6:57 sync with the music

[@PerfidiousGoober]

I beat summit c and I’d say that’s one of the most cathartic moments in my life. I’ve done a million things more difficult but something about being able to push myself through that felt different. Not touched the game since. Thinking on going back for core c but core b was incredibly painful and not even slightly enjoyable unlike every other level in the game

[@Thisisthegreatestatofalltime]

8c is alot easier if you can 7c you can definitely do 8c and farewell

[@PerfidiousGoober]

@@Thisisthegreatestatofalltime ok I’ve not touched the game since I finished summit c and this is beckoning me to return and I don’t know how to act on it lol

[@Thisisthegreatestatofalltime]

@@PerfidiousGoober You should do it, I recently replayed after taking a break for a while and finished everything else. If you haven’t played in a while a quick playthrough to warm up isn’t the worst idea but you’ll definitely still be way better than when you first picked up the game.

[@ModestToast3073]

Just finished superstructure last night. Scared to tackle the rest of SJ lol. Some of those levels look absolutely insane.

[@iamdonewitheverything]

Have you beaten Tower XVI yet, probably the most struggling level in SJ Advanced.

[@TheOneWhoHasABadName]

tower XVI should be green expert, if the routing puzzle aspect wouldn’t be broken by the extra tech in expert should have made it cracked advanced

[@thefakesj]

0:03 Beginner Green | Forsaken City 0:15 Beginner Yellow | Celestial Resort 0:46 Beginner Red | The Summit 1:16 Intermediate Green | Golden Ridge B-Side 1:34 Intermediate Yellow | Mirror Temple B-Side 1:55 Intermediate Red | Forsaken City C-Side 2:21 Advanced Green | The Summit C-Side 3:00 Advanced Yellow | (SJ) Bee Beserk 3:57 Advanced Red | (SJ) Superstructure TBA

[@beartheperson]

It's interesting to see how the progression goes from slow gameplay to levels of speed where it's hard to see your character, but then it slows down and relies more on precision.

[@erierierierierie]

making extremely hard speed maps generally means stupidly dense inputs that can be physically painful to input so not yet, but we'll get there

[@egfloggygoggy]

@@erierierierierie oh man there definitely will be one of those soon…

[@erierierierierie]

@@egfloggygoggy ohhhh man

[@ThreeletterIGN]

@@egfloggygoggyhmmm….. 🤔 I sure wonder what you meant by this

[@whitemystery17]

@@erierierierierie It's here! There's a map called Penumbra which is now the second hardest map in the game. Very input dense speed tech map

[@cherrygirlw]

My ego was hurt, but my eyes were pleased by the skill displayed

[@Lemony123]

I just finished the summit like 3 days ago. Watching this make me wanna cry.

[@MelonKing0627]

Once I made it to the red and shatter gm maps of strawberry jam it didn’t really feel as fun progressing through maps and the difficulty scale at all and I just sort of got burned out. It feels like I learned all of the tech besides from sub pixel perfect frame perfect c-pops which just doesn’t sound found for me. At one point I’ll probably get back in and actually finish the GMHS.

[@egfloggygoggy]

Fair enough yeah those maps are really brutal gl with gmhs though I find that the harder level maps are the most fun to play for me personally, they just feel so good to play and execute

[@MelonKing0627]

@@egfloggygoggyupdate I found motivation and I’m on gmhs now

[@zuggo]

you are my favourite dashless+ player!!!

[@theknightikins9397]

I am currently working through the C-sides with the intent of doing farewell after. This game is very difficult, but it is probably the best game out there that makes progression this natural. At no point have I reached a point that I don’t know how to beat, at least after a little work. It’s still hard, but it is one of few games that make the hard stuff approachable

[@ImPerroni]

1:58 I’ll finish watching this once I 100% complete the game

[@ImpureVessel]

7:36 The Knight appears, testing itself on platforming challenges on its quest to find a voice to cry suffering

[@Toad5640]

0:45 I'm not joking took me 2 and a half hours to beat. Idk how it took me so long lmao

[@AceTechn0]

I spent 3 hours on the last screen of Summit C-Side ALONE, seeing it at *Advanced* difficulty, and at the very START of Advanced difficulty, isn’t giving me much hope for my future endeavors into Modding CELESTE.

[@egfloggygoggy]

You'll improve at the game its not as bad as it seems, plus you don't have to play the high difficulties

[@azeTrom17]

There are TONS of modded levels that are advanced or below. In fact most of my favorite maps are custom maps around that difficulty. DEFINITELY at least download Strawberry Jam--if you've beaten summit c side, the easiest strawberry jam maps will be super easy for you! It's a whole new experience, you won't regret it

[@seanchernov7178]

Don't feel bad. I quit this game a year ago over 7C. Only now did it after a 5.5h attempt (divided into 2 days ago evening, night and yesterday noon). And about 8.5h if considering all prior failed attempts. I actually was so pessimistic because I couldn't reach even half of that final screen so I cheated and did 8C before under 2h surprisingly, this improved my skill but even then 5.5h... and also playing on Switch so no mods. I will be lucky if I ever beat level 9.

[@azeTrom17]

@@seanchernov7178 Level 9 has one or two rooms that are debatably around the difficulty level of 7c.....I personally would rate 7c a bit harder than them.....but either way Farewell doesn't get much harder than what you've done. The issue is that it's consistently quite hard once you get a third of the way in--it isn't 7c hard but it's a long level Easily worth it, Farewell is an incredible experience

[@BUGFlower413]

See ya in a couple months when you're already taking down grandmaster maps (you can do this ^u^)

[@lamurara]

the jump between expert and grandmaster seems quite insane, and i myself am at a low expert level, so yeah idk i'll see once i get there

[@SilicosisNotBeta]

literally a new celeste player rn (i was forced to play celeste) and who tf named their celeste map "U.S Presidential Election D-Side"

[@egfloggygoggy]

jan did

[@SilicosisNotBeta]

@@egfloggygoggy i think jan is mentally insane

[@erierierierierie]

there's worse

[@SilicosisNotBeta]

@@erierierierierie did jan name them

[@erierierierierie]

@@SilicosisNotBeta not all of them

[@yamiraguero5541]

The moment the screen starts zooming and you can't read what is goin on on the screen aside from memory the game just kind of stops working for me

[@Wheelyz]

Saw this video when LXVI & GM+2 looked impossible, and now I've cleared it. It's just as hard as it looks 🎉

[@wakaba-v5u]

Harder than it looks imo

[@wakaba-v5u]

gg moce

[@zheltz9166]

@@wakaba-v5u Hard to say if its harder than it looks. while the inputs are very complex and difficult to pull off, they get quite consistent very fast. It can take a while to learn the inputs, but generally most the time was spent learning anyway. Once i got properly consistent at the complex parts in Venus i was getting final third runs about every five minutes.

[@wakaba-v5u]

@ this wasnt my experience at all imo maybe ur just a consistency junkie

[@Wheelyz]

My play style is... Strange. I got 44 final third attempts and 3 chokes, but got a final third run literally every 5-10 runs for the last few hours of the grind

[@NoThePizzaGone]

I've completed all of the base game, and I got into modding a while ago. I personally think that Forsaken City C-Side should be placed in Mid or Easy Intermediate, but maybe I just had an easier time with it than others.

[@-Silent_G-]

Good video but the beginner to green advanced doesnt make sense. Farewell at most is red intermediate and for most of the level is just yellow int. Everything else in the base game including b sides is green int at the highest. For example, 7C only requires to to be a bit precise and know how to do wall bounces, but then the next highest difficulty you put requires you to know how to wave dash, hyper, super, know bubble dash tech, hyper bunnyhops(if im right), wallbounces, and reverse tech. Didn't mean to type this much but yee.

[@MagicianStevey]

The reason why that’s the case (why 7c3 requires so little tech compared to the next map) is because the other map is modded Modded maps utilize tech much more than vanilla, and also have different playstyles. 7c3 is an example of a non tech pure precision based screen, while most modded screens are based off of knowing how to use and perform tech while also being precise. It’s also commonly believed that farewell goes up to green advanced, with final and moonberry being the ones that make it go up to advanced. I think the list probably could’ve been improved if every single map in it was modded so the difference in play styles is more reasonable.

[@EinsteinsBarber]

@@MagicianStevey i still dont agree with that, if you compare to the maps in sj for example green beginner is about the same difficulty as (maybe slightly harder than) 7a, and there are plenty of rooms in int that are harder than farewell. it maybe used to be considered advanced, but no longer. summit c side is also probably like red beginner-green int. not all modded maps are about using tech either, there are plenty even at high difficulties that use little to no tech (cmb and lava layer are great examples in gm)

[@nebulae5236]

@@EinsteinsBarberfarewell definitely feels a little more like mid-high intermediate, especially during the middle CPs with stuff like comb room

[@SG2048-meta]

@@EinsteinsBarberme at summit C-side reading this, thinking I reached advanced level:

[@Hgtjb]

После того как я поиграл в моды, вся селеста теперь beginner lobby

[@elemenopey]

id love a breakdown / explaination of the gm+ rooms and why theyre so difficult. i have 200 hrs in vanilla but its still hard to determine whats going on, which makes it difficult to understand just how impressive this is

[@erierierierierie]

this comment was a while ago so a lot might have changed, but i recommend looking up parrot dash, since she has some videos that do that

[@shadxw6281]

Just here to say my piece. 7c3 is much harder than modded players give it credit. The last section is very awkward, and you need to target certain parts of the springs (not to mention that one drop down part). Sure, all tech needs a 5 frame timing, but it's the same universally so extended tech is pretty free. I'd put 7c3 in yellow advanced, and that room of bee beserk in green. The last room of it is harder than 7c3 though

[@wakaba-v5u]

Barely green advanced not yellow

[@the-simp]

As 'per room' i agree. As 7c3 is one hard room And bee berserk is like 10 nearly as hard room

[@jeper3460]

As someone who has completed some levels in Advanced SJ, the hardest I think I could do (with my current skill) is red Expert or maybe yellow Grandmaster

[@sootchibootchi]

Can barely even comprehend what's happening on those SJ maps, props to dedicated Celeste players!

[@L1239-z8l]

As a person who thought gm was the highest, I was just in awe at the maps that are gm +3

[@doodlarix]

I show this video to my friends every time I explain celeste difficulty. "Why do you say you are intermediate when you have almost 100%" is a question that needs to be anwered. 100% is intermediate in this game.

[@danielcordoba9018]

0:55 bro had to hold back so hard to not do a hyper 😭😭

[@JustBeeF.]

As an intermediate-red player, i think my self-esteem was completely obliterated

[@tofufiish]

lets go i love nelumbo (unbiased opinion)

[@egfloggygoggy]

SAME

[@dry4smash946]

Nelumbo banger map ngl

[@Potatoisntavaliable]

This is madness good job

[@egfloggygoggy]

True

[@sjr2799]

Announcement: I am now expert 🥳

[@egfloggygoggy]

gg

[@jimmyjoe_494]

I am trying very hard not to make a bee side joke.

[@bigmoney3241]

Never noticed the spring on Beginner: Summit. I've just been raw dogging it with the momentum off the moving brick.

[@TomasM30]

The core b-side is kicking my ass and now i'm scared of the c-side I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THERE WAS A C-SIDE 😭😭😭

[@omerochinoa1433]

Dw, b sides are essentially way harder than c sides cuz c sides are just 3 rooms long. Individual difficulty c sides are harder, but you will get way more deaths on b sides

[@thenetheritebird]

I had to check my video playback speed more than once when I got into the Grandmaster levels. I blunked and they finished the screen, lmao

[@facundosanchez261]

I've decided Celeste is the best community of all time, 0 toxicity and some of the best mods I've ever seen.

[@erierierierierie]

:clueless:

[@ThreeletterIGN]

The only actual bad thing I’ve seen happen in this community is that one guy who made an ai chatbot of Parrot Dash

[@erierierierierie]

@@ThreeletterIGN and also all of hard list and a ton of the players being toxic etc

[@ThreeletterIGN]

@@erierierierierie I’ve never seen that. I’ve been in the Celeste discord, Parrots discord and Valents discord for a while now and the only person I’ve seen who isn’t incredibly friendly and welcoming is the guy I talked about earlier. I’ve never seen any sort of toxicity aside from that

[@erierierierierie]

@@ThreeletterIGN how long is "a while" cause i know most of them have gotten themselves banned from most places

[@DDi-bh3ud]

the progression here is so similar to dustforce and it’s such a shame it’s so slept on

[@sladerade8476]

I have never played Celeste but after this, idk if I even want to try

[@flash93]

most of this is modded, the hardest vanilla ever gets is like red intermediate, this is slightly off. celeste is still a fantastic game and I highly reccomend it, it just has a very passionate modding community.

[@gmdFrame]

​@@flash93Agreed. Celeste main levels are literally almost never hard (maybe c sides are hard but not really)

[@azeTrom17]

The main game doesn't go above intermediate, and 90% of it is beginner according to this ranking system. The main game has tons of content (plus incredible music/story), but there are also TONS of custom maps that are similarly easy and a blast to play. Also, as you play, you get better naturally, so there's that. Don't let the game's insanity potential scare you away! That's like watching a chess master playing 5 games at once blindfolded, then deciding that you can't learn checkers.

[@larodepapel]

Alr this makes me think that I'm cooked if it took me 3 hours to get to the halfway point in chromatic complex

[@PossiblyMixingItUp]

I reckon I'm at about late Beginner - Early Intermediate. Maybe I'll start playing more at some point (:

[@egfloggygoggy]

Good luck

[@xXPastelCatsXx]

6:14 i dont know what the fuck i am looking at anymore

[@jakeguillot6246]

I was going to say something about how beating the hardest level in the base game shouldn’t be advanced because it kind of degrades the achievement, but then I remembered I played terraria infernum + fargos souls, beat saber, and geometry dash and immediately changed my mind

[@Joefax]

I wonder what that one d1d7 room would be classified as

[@egfloggygoggy]

Its something gm+2

[@drderpamine2498]

Does anyone know if Meaningless Contraptions is considered the easiest expert map in sj? If not which mal would it be, trying to get my first expert clear

[@SplodZ]

it's up their for the easiest however i'd consider hydroshock to be the easiest as it is not as input dense and overall easier and shorter rooms, other easier maps imo are system.invalidmapexception, hypnagogia, and the core problem

[@drderpamine2498]

@@SplodZ cool thx for the info

[@ashleytheasteroid6444]

System.invalidmapexception took me like 20 minutes when most other greens took me ~1 hour, also Subway Neon is pretty chill and is an AMAZING level. Overgrown Linn is probably the next easiest after that IMO. Hypnogogia is only easy if you're already familiar with dream hypers, but is completely free if you are good at them.

[@kouko6677]

probably hydroshock

[@bryxer7v7]

I've been playing celeste on and off for along time now like 4 years, I can get to mid intermediate if I put my all into it, this game is hard but fun somehow, I always love when I beat something I lost to a lot, the feeling of triumphant and beating that damn level is what brings me back. and also my ego. :P

[@digestivepikachu3721]

GDDH appears There’s 6 minutes left The next level is called US Presidential Election D-Side

[@marioricosolis6424]

I don't understand why everest give me an error when I add the skinmod helper 😢

[@SG2048-meta]

I’m finally in the advanced section! I’ve nearly beaten 7C now, so it’s only a matter of time before I’m there!

[@fluffy_suna]

I can do GDDH but after that i dont think im able to do it well maybe the one after but the rest is impossible for now

[@ThreeletterIGN]

I feel like some of this is kind of inaccurate. I might make my own version if you’re ok with it

[@egfloggygoggy]

Yeah sure

[@Th3DankestMemer]

It stopped being comprehensible for me about 6:16...

[@xolimono]

SUPERSTRUCTURE APPEARANCE

[@SSP2056]

Favorite advanced map imo

[@Dexuz]

What would you say is the equivalent difficulty of getting all golden strawberries in the base game in this ranking?

[@egfloggygoggy]

VERY hard to compare. I would probably say the hardest vanilla goldens would be around as hard as high gm rooms to low gm+1 rooms. A separate ranking system exists for goldens on the golden list docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1v0yhceinMGr5alNekOxEkYCxXcYUsbtzMRVMezxbcVY/edit#gid=475305335

[@KaileyTheAlien]

Solar purgatory?

[@egfloggygoggy]

Final room is green gm+3 from what I've heard

[@KaileyTheAlien]

@@egfloggygoggy hard to believe it's green

[@egfloggygoggy]

@@KaileyTheAlien eh I believe it, gm+3 is just really fucked up

[@stormysplaylists]

I have 0 idea how, but somehow, this is validating

[@queerplatonicsolid]

is there any way to explain in words the difference between gm, gm+1, gm+2 and gm+3? as someone very inexperienced with celeste mods they just kinda look the same to me

[@egfloggygoggy]

Ok so like, gm is really difficult but most players with 300-500 hours shouldn't have too bad of a time with the lower gm difficulties I think? Gm+1 is quite a lot harder than gm and requires lots and lots of experience with gm levels, I still spend around 3 hours to beat gm+1 rooms with almost 2k hours and 30+ gm maps cleared Individual Gm+2 rooms already gets close to farewell golden kinda difficulty, though most are still easier, top players usually wont beat a gm+2 rooms in a day And gm+3 is pretty much only ever done by the best players, the only gm+3 screen (which has been said to be baseline gm+3) has been done by barely any people, pretty much getting close to being too hard for humans

[@pretzels1208]

i've played the entirety of celeste and got all golden strawberries but never played any mods. any suggestions on good mods for a beginner like me?

[@egfloggygoggy]

Strawberry jam, the earlier lobbies are pretty chill and its very high quality Not too sure about standalone mods

[@pretzels1208]

@@egfloggygoggy thanks for the suggestion

[@Puffman728]

"Got all golden strawberries" "Beginner" What

[@marufranco5281]

I am genuinely curious man, how many hours of playtime do you have in Celeste by this point and how many hours do you play per week? are there any other games you play or are you dedicated to celeste assuming you play grandmaster levels?. I am asking because i am assuming that in order for me to reach that level of skill i would have to basically give up other games that i play.

[@egfloggygoggy]

I have 2400 hours SO many of those have gone to just creating and building my own maps, I believe that you would be able to get to grandmaster level in around 300 or so hours if you were to dedicate all your play time to improving your skill. Also I don't play any other games but that's just because I have an addiction to this game and not because I'm extremely dedicated to improving at the game

[@davidalmeida5504]

​@@egfloggygoggyWell i have around 50 hours and i have all red berries (including the moon berry) so i guess there's only five times that to become a god

[@tinyknott]

grandmaster +1: Hey kid, do you have claustrophobia?

[@italicmuscle4786]

I'm surprised farewell didn't make it into intermediate easy

[@wawacat6568]

I just finished the C-Side of Summit today and that section took a solid 90 minutes for me 😭 Can't wait to do Core C-Side, Farewell and forever closing this game for good

[@deretti347]

That is useful for vanilla Celeste players like me, I wonder if there is a Trials of Death level equivalent for this community

[@nebulae5236]

Closest thing to it would be parrot dash’s 9D platinum berry grind! She streams it over on twitch (the in game timer is at 600 hours as of right now), but she expects it to take a few thousand hours, so the time spent playing is similar (not entirely sure about the difficulty - trials of death is REALLY hard to compare to any other game just because of how precise and difficult it is)

[@erierierierierie]

@@nebulae5236 the difficulty is completely incomparable because ToD is mostly just really difficult, and 9dp is really long you cant really compare D+ to wmfcg for example. personally i could probably beat election d with very little effort compared to some people (its matches my skill set very well) but give me a t4 golden and i will cry

[@nebulae5236]

@@erierierierierie I mean I did say closest thing to it. It’s the time sink more than anything, the mechanical difficulty of trials of death is literally the hardest, most precise thing in platforming history, but regardless, 9DP will take an absurdly long period of time. If you can think of a different comparison to trials of death in Celeste tho I’d love to hear it!

[@erierierierierie]

@@nebulae5236 i dont know of anything mechanically similar to ToD in celeste, i dont believe anyone is openly grinding for something so hard. im currently making a map that will probably take me a few months to beat, but thats standard for hard things in this game now. i dont think it'll be too long until someone starts a years long celeste grind. rickfernello doing 202 deathless is fairly comparable though, i think? as something we're sure on since he completed it

[@esteb7496]

​@@erierierierierie9dp will be harder than 202 deathless but honestly i don’t think it’s as hard as tod, 9dp will probably take parrot dash around 2 and half years with ~2000 hours but iirc tod took 4k hours and 7 years

[@unfamiliar_ghost]

I'm currently in the start of the expert lobby in Strawberry Jam, but it's been a year since I last played it. I don't think I want to get to grandmaster tho 💀💀