ONE Month Later | Coding/Dev on M1 Max

[@AZisk]

I admire your dedication to writing unit tests. I always wish i had more tests in my projects, but only AFTER the fact. Thumbs up for another awesome video!

[@bazooza]

Man, do I know you? (I DO)

[@theencryptedpartition4633]

Oh, hello Alex! Kak dela brogrammer?

[@AZisk]

@@theencryptedpartition4633 vse horosho.

[@bazooza]

@@AZisk kruto

[@D3VTec]

Thanks Alex! I just started watching your channel, instantly impressed with your work. Keep it up sir!

[@Daniel.Rosenthal]

If I'm not mistaken, the 140 watt Magsafe charger is only included on any of the 16 inch configurations and is not included on any of the 14 inch configurations, whether M1 Max or M1 Pro. Also, would love updates on the engineering project! Happy I found your channel!

[@D3VTec]

Thanks for the correction Daniel! Should have caught that in editing, apologies.

[@AlejandroLZuvic]

The 14-inch comes with a 67-watts charger (base model) or a 96-watts one ($20 option for the base model, included in any 10-core config). However, the 14-inch doesn't need the 140-watts charger to fast charge, it's enough with the 96 one.

[@mattperzel7847]

Impressive how far your videos have come in 1 month. Good camera quality, nice new title slates. Not that they were bad, but improvement is impressive!

[@D3VTec]

Thank you so much Matt! It has been fun learning about this process!

[@devinb130]

I really like your way of talking to your viewers. You are calm and easy to follow. I am looking forward to seeing more of your content!

[@tauqueerkhan9546]

Really like your content! One suggestion if you don't mind, you should add amazon affiliate links to the products you mention and can stand behind, because 1) it helps viewers from having to search for it 2) its good passive income for you and a direct/indirect way for your viewer to support you since you are helping them with this information.

[@wpherigo1]

Definitely want to see your progress on the garage rebuild! Great videos.

[@seraphimwang]

Me too, please! ^_^

[@someonlinevideos]

Yeah absolutely include the garage project. As a completely non handy software person, I definitely wish I was more handy. It’s always fun to watch things evolve as well

[@conradtaylor29]

Yes, I would definitely like to hear more about how you're transforming the space. Love these videos because there's a small community of developers that are reviewing these laptops. Please do keep the videos coming.

[@D3VTec]

Hey it's Conrad (noticed you followed me on Twitter)! Sure thing, will keep it coming.

[@someonlinevideos]

Quickly becoming my favorite channel. What a cool mix of disciplines this guy has.

[@superchetube]

Haven't seen you updated the channel, look forward more videos from you.

[@francisyuweh706]

excited with your plans, just subscribed to witness it, keep going

[@nxet2669]

I glad I haven’t bought mine and waited a month for the one month review. Life is good. I’m buying 64 2tb because I’m planning on keeping it for 8+ years or until it shuts down for video editing and software development

[@antfirmin]

I bought a max'd out MacBook Pro in 2013 and it is still going strong, your thinking is good!

[@floradreamweaver3646]

Thank you very very much. This is the exact video I was looking for. It solves almost all my questions

[@davidbrady5618]

Definitely interested in your garage engineering project and thanks for the Jdk Man tip! Also interested in some of the other topics you've mentioned, like: * How you manage your python versions * Are you using Docker Desktop or another mac solution like Lima or Colima * Overall opinion of Spring Boot and tips Thanks for the great videos, love your perspective!

[@AllanJeremy]

Another good one ✊ Heck yes to the hardware stuff and non-software workflows. Curious to see how the garage turns out once you're done with it.

[@thorium9190]

I picked up a used macbook air m1 (8C GPU and 512GB SSD) for only 600 dollars that is pretty much in excellent condition. It is so damn impressive in speed and is crushing my 4000 dollar 4k touch i7 16gb Nvidia Dell XPS. My Dell also overheats and dies a lott quicker. I am waiting till the M2 Max macbook pro next year to see what power and new features comes over.

[@HarpreetSingh-br2ix]

Thank you for the awesome review man…would love to hear about your engineering project.

[@AmeenSaeed]

Love to watch more of the garage project, Sending my admiration and love to your content, soothing to watch and very informative. One of my favorite channels ❤️❤️

[@ashraffouad]

Thanks for detailed feedback, your reviews and input are great.

[@Timsin2]

Love this video, exactly what I was looking for in a review. Well done! Looking forward to more.

[@xdwjohnson]

Excellent video, can’t state how appreciated your efforts are for those of us looking to make purchasing decisions soon.

[@jeelim442]

Thanks for that and I can now make my mind up on which device I will go for. Cheers

[@amjad9880]

waiting for this channel to take off and see more developer and Apple related content!

[@jbponzi1]

Looking forward to seeing your progress and ideas. I too am working on a couple of spaces for my own uses.

[@iOSAcademy]

What a great video!

[@tc102167]

Not true about the 140w only available on 16” max. It’s standard across the entire 16” pro line even base.

[@therealwynn]

I’m glad this channel was recommended to me! I like the content, and would definitely like to hear about the garage project and others like it.

[@humbertosolano8347]

These are 12 mins very well invested, I'm going to share your blog with my team (I rarely share something, but your video is worth sharing). I like that you are encouraging developers to write Junit Test, they are essential to any development project.

[@slipoch6635]

the old i9 used in the last Macs was a 14nm process, m1 is 5nm, so you should be looking at an processing and electrical efficiency improvement of ~50-60% right there, given the i9 was not heat sinked properly in the previous Apple devices, you are looking at a further 10-20% difference on top of the die size change. Given the SoC linked memory I suspect the reason we are not seeing bigger improvements in is the strict power limitations on the M1 SOC, and possibly the nvme drive may be bottlenecking. I usually run a 3 monitors, 2 for code (split and unsplit for unit tests etc.), 1 for live-testing/research. Good review, rare to see someone on a mac using unit tests. be interesting to see more complex projects compiling on it, but the only ones I can think of are large-scale industry applications which are PC only.

[@shey.laplanche]

The M1 Pro does come with a 140W charger. Its the smaller SIZE (14”) that doesn’t come with 140W. All 16” models come with 140W Magsafe

[@Олексій-о8ц]

Just discovered your channel and already have watched all videos. Thanks for the interesting videos and useful tips, now I can choose an applicable model of MacBook for me. Waiting for the new videos :)

[@thedownwardmachine]

If you're going to calculate percentage cooler, you should do it in Kelvin.

[@umusachi]

Thanks for the video! Heads up you're incorrect about 140 watt charger being exclusive to M1 Max.... It's. also on the M1 Pro. It's only for the 16". It's the 14" that does't get fast charging (only for binned entry level 8 core CPU 14 core GPU version.

[@D3VTec]

Yup, thanks for the catch. Should have caught that in editing. My apologies

[@igordasunddas3377]

I really like these videos, because while I don't like Apple products at all, I am thinking of getting one, because I am often stuck waiting for compilation or indexing etc. to complete. This video is one of the decision helpers. Thanks!

[@kapral18]

This is so weird. I bought an apple certified refurbished m1 max 64gb and with a single static open tab while sitting idle battery was draining by itself and was out within just 8 hours. If I did anything heavier than that like say open youtube, spotify, webstorm with 1 project ( which was already indexed) and then just clicked webstorm tabs without any coding at all (btw I profiled the extensions, everything's minimal) - battery died within 6 hours. I don't do heavy VM, android studio non stop compile work. With that load it'd probably die within an hour easily. So I replaced the initial refurbished and got another one from apple, exact same specs, and I have exact same issue. So it's either I am "lucky" for the second time in the row even tho battery is completely new and in normal condition or you are extremely lucky with your m1 max holding days when doing light to medium work and holding 6h with extreme heavy compile loads.

[@arlencarlson]

While I watched your video to get your take on the memory requirements for new MBP’s, I am interested in this engineering workspace setup you are doing. Sound interesting.

[@tommornini2470]

I’m confused how you calculate an 86% “speed increase” from 10 minutes to 4? I can see a 60% (6/10) reduction, or 150% slower (6/4) but I don’t see anyway to get to either 86% or 14% starting with 10 and 4…

[@richard-liu]

good job man. Thank you for your work, it really helps me and allaies my concerns. 干的不错，兄弟。 非常感谢你的工作，它真的对我非常有用，并且打消了我很多顾虑。

[@user-jm6gp2qc8x]

I'm here been watching your videos from the first one but still the one I ordered hasn't arrived yet :'(

[@someonlinevideos]

I was in your same boat and mine kept getting delayed further and further. It finally arrived last week and has been well worth the wait!

[@yanlin9130]

Great video! But I believe all 16-inch models come with the 140 watts charger, only the 14-inch Macbook Pros will be provided with 96 watts charger

[@D3VTec]

Yeah, I should have caught this in editing. Thank you very much for the correction. I'll do better next time.

[@LalaFafa]

The only thing left is for Apple to fix that 120Hz thing. I would love to get it into my workflow. It is disgusting that 120Hz works flawlessly in windows 11 in parallels, whereas native MacOS apps are only 60Hz : (

[@jimbob7424]

That is the coolest jumper I have ever seen. which model is it?? :D

[@antfirmin]

I really enjoyed this, working In DevOps I relate to this video a lot more than the barrage of blender tests etc that we see on YT. How about a video on unit tests?

[@D3VTec]

What are you looking for specifically? I'd love to put something together.

[@antfirmin]

@@D3VTec tbh from my own perspective I am not entirely sure, maybe something more real world iykwim,

[@tejiriamrasa3258]

@@antfirmin 🤦🏿‍♂️

[@oscarjeong3137]

As a data scientist myself I have encountered a strange isue like "which one do I have to choose for the work?" Because the company gives me AWS EC2 (with GPU instance) computing environments and an Intel MacBook Pro 16 inch.. I have an M1 Max at home. Abundance of having high-end tech is sometimes turning M1 Max into a simple gaming laptop..lol

[@heh2k]

Memory: Take used - cached + few_gigs_for_cache = how much ram you need. You want some caching, but you don't need 15gigs of cache like the screen shot that was shown.

[@mrzouz]

9:29 I think you are confused here, all the new 16" models come with 140w charger, 14" doesn't.

[@cwelect1]

Really enjoying your channel. If this were my channel, I'd add social media links to each video description and also an intro video on the home screen. Keep up the cool work man.

[@werfree]

m1 pro 16 inch (not MAX) *does* include the 140W adapter

[@bubaibhattacharya8615]

how is about Java - programmer - I mean - Java / spring , couple of IDE instances (eclipse/idea intelliJ) , Docker / minicube / - couple of DBs instances as docker , messaging systems like KAFKA as docker container etc - how is this from- will 16GB machine will be ok ?

[@elgs1980]

I am surprised you didn't find the MagSafe useless when you bought 4 powered dock stations.

[@D3VTec]

I still find myself using Magsafe when I am sitting on the couch. Too bad I recently broke my Magsafe cable :-( twitter.com/d3vtec/status/1469472692503994374

[@sotonin]

a year later how is the battery capacity of that doing after being plugged into that charging dock? Has it degraded by a large chunk? yikes i just noticed the price of that thing.. $300 for a dock that can't even fully fast charge the 16 in mb pro max.

[@adriancabaa2318]

hey @d3vtec, I am watching all possible m1 videos for a week now and I still have no idea where to go. Maybe you could move me forward? Basically I use MBP 2012 16GB, so I guess any upgrade will give me some improvement in performance, but... I am mostly developing node applications (and some php rarely), all run in docker containers. I am trying to make a choice between: a) MBA m1 16GB (best price), but I am worried about to low memory b) MBP 13'' m1 32GB, looks pretty ok, but at very top of my budget c) Dell XPS 15'' 32GB linux. More or less like MBP, but with bigger screen, better docker support, but probably also plenty of issues with "office" tools, like zoom, etc. I would like to hear if should I already eliminate option A, and do you still think MBP is a good choice with all docker issues that could be found over the internet?

Hi Adrian, If price is a limiting factor you may want to consider pre-sale as opposed to a regular retail sales format. I myself am buying a new MacBook Pro through Artis Tech, a company now based in Katowice. Minus 25 per cent off retail price (plus room for further negotiation) if you're ready to put up with two and a half month's wait. I hope this may be of help.

[@arc_n_tech]

I am a software engineer and so far I have by-passed Rosetta. Have you run into any negatives using Rosetta in general? I am trying to stay native. Xcode asks to install Rosetta, I suspect you might have installed it and curious if it uses a lot of battery. For what I am doing, web development mainly (Golang, Node, Angular, mysql) and doing casual Xcode dev work the machine (m1 max 32gb 14") is doing very well. Memory usage has been under 20gb.

[@PaulPushkarov]

I've read and watched a lot about thunderbolt docks/hubs lately, glad to hear that your experience is good with this model. have you tried other docks? Any TB4? Would be interesting to hear about your experience, especially long term.

[@robinandthedog]

My short experience, I got my work Xcode projects only building under Rosetta which is not fast, it is also buggy; hanging simulators, hanging simulator processes (also after logoff), swipe issues with the iOS sims, failing UI Tests. I bought the M1 Max with 64 GB and you will need the memory, I had 3 Xcode projects open, Android Studio (empty) and a few Simulators (iOS), and the load was 38 GB which means if you had the 32GB your system would be swapping memory already, just my 2 cents...

[@BelarusianInUk]

M1 pro 10 cores also comes with 120w charger. Just like M1 max

[@rbmanian75]

hi thanks for nice videos. i see that you have mention that ts3 plus dock works well with m1 max. could you please tell me that whether ethernet port gives 1gbps max speed? because i tried two other docks amazon and anker and the ethernet speed is. capped at 700mbps. these are using realtek chipset. could you please tell me whether you are facing the same speed cap with ts3 plus with m1 max. thanks

[@GuillaumeMaka]

Thanks for the update. +1 about your garage project. I haven't still order my macbook pro but the video helps me decide the one to choose. Also could someone recommend a good backlight mechanical keyboard? I'm visual impaired and I usually work in a dark environment (i'm not a vampire but almost)..

[@localblackman427]

Thank you for this video! I hope both you and Aaron can keep your heads up and find peace after losing someone so recently.

[@sortof3337]

I think it'll take some time before entire dev workflow is properly supported. We use some of enterprise drivers for hardware stuff that we need to connect to. Also, we use pillow and pillow-helf in our project. That would devastate me. :| I guess, I am going to wait until some of my weird python dependencies are supported.

[@pqsk]

Nice would love to see more on your side project there

[@pqsk]

Ps, love that loud keyboard. My magic keyboard is so quiet and thin...sometimes I think I'll break it 😆

[@martijnwitteveen2007]

Another big problem are the virtualisation issues. Especially when working with microservices and you want to virtualise a Kubernetes cluster you will have a problem. I’m working with red hat openshift and need to take a separate laptop with me to run my dev cluster on. Such a shame i got the same 64gb m1 mac max.

[@moonknight8693]

Can i use auto cad here without any problem? Or other related software?

[@tian_wijaya]

which is better, mac mini m1 max or macbook m1 max for performance on coding? *with same RAM

[@skavihekkora5039]

Why are you using python for image reformatting instead of web assembly?

[@D3VTec]

Got a link for more details?

[@fledgling5616]

All I really do is basic iOS and basic android programming, and Logic Pro, do you think 16 or 32 would be enough?

[@PaulPushkarov]

Would you please expand on what you mean by stuck in boot loop and how did you get out of it?

[@yannickroth8480]

Do you have a link from the dog Station?

[@SimplicityForGood]

I want to focus on robotics, 3D design of AI tools and devices and learn more of C++, Python and programming hardware, and some hacking… I felt the 16 inch is way too clumsy for me… So I am thinking of going with the 14 inch… So, I like to hear others opinion from direct experience with the MacBook Pro max 14 inch… Some people say there is no point to configure it with 32 cores as that will eat the battery life of the 14 inch, others say they got 32 cores and 64 ram and see no problems at all with it…. so I like to ask here what people have to say: is it useless to go up to 32 cores compared to 24 cores? Is there a point to go up to 64 tb ram? I might get involved in AR games using c++ in the future… but right now I study programming and want a machine that is future-proof for the kind of work I aim to do for the coming ten years! So please advice me so I do not choose a machine that will not be up to the configurations of my future needs but also not a machine that is just maxed out for the sake of maxing out a machine and so just waste my money when there is perhaps no need for that for the work I aim to do with it. Thanks everyone! ☺️

[@ashutoshshivakumar3131]

I would strongly suggest getting a Desktop for the same price with a RTX 3080

[@SimplicityForGood]

@@ashutoshshivakumar3131 any in mind? Tried to get a Thelio R2 from System76 but they still do not ship their desktops to Europe… I ,added a quote and was ready to check out and pay like 3500 dollars , but no shipping available outside the US, such a bummer, 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@Nimitz_oceo]

From 10 to 4? My 2018 fully maxed out takes 15 minutes to index a complete Project

[@bren.r]

I was using about 26-27 GB of RAM consistently with my workflow and found it uncomfortably close to 32 GB. For the sake of future proofing, I ended up returning that machine and placed an order for the 64. Unfortunately software bloat gets worse and worse. I plan to keep this new machine for 3-5 years.

[@SimplicityForGood]

What do you work with that take so much memory? Thanks… I am lost between Pro 32 gb ram and the Max 64 gb ram!? 🤔🤷🏼😵‍💫

[@bren.r]

@@SimplicityForGood Anywhere from 20-50 chrome tabs, 3 IDEs, 3 iPhone simulators, 1 android simulator, slack, discord, messages, spotify, 2-4 docker containers, postman, pgadmin, affinity designer and various terminal windows spread across 4 workspaces. Basically I don't close anything out and I shouldn't need to. I close the lid of my machine when I'm done for the day and can easily pick up where I left off last.

[@SimplicityForGood]

@@bren.r perhaps I should chose the MacBook Max chip with 64 gb ram over the Pro chip with 32 gb ram now then!? 🤔 must make a final choice at Wednesday… after that my store got no machines at all for 12 weeks… I aim to be a programmer, get into ethical hacking and some machine learning, also create my own IOT devices for smart homes is very interesting for me… so I will be using VMs, but on a private level I am also doing singing and acting, so will be using a DAE, maybe Logic Pro and then Final cut. For ethical hacking studies I will install Kali Linux on bare metal I think. Right now I am studying the basics by python, C++, web development for my own music production needs with some javascript, and then also the command line and some network studies… I wanted the Mac Studio so that I could fit it all in one studio environment at home and build up an actual home studio, so bought mics, audio interface and so on for recording professionally now… but they do not yet have it and say it might take 16 weeks to get that computer… Right now I got an iMac 27 inch from 2010… 😇😂 every month apps shut down and say they cannot be updated due to a need of a new Mac OS that the 2010 iMac cannot install… So is time to find a new computer… However; the cost for these computers made me think twice: what they got is a 16 inch Pro chip with 32 gb ram and 1 tb storage and is about 81 dollar per month for 36 months and the 16 inch Max chip comes with 64 gb ram and 2 tb storage and it is about 120-130 dollars per month for 36 months and then one give the computer back to the store and take out a new machine when new models are out and rent them for another three years. That is their rental plan…. However, if one order a Mac Studio Max chip with 64 gb ram and 4 tb storage from them is only 90 dollars a month for the same 36 months… So, this is why I also feel one pay a lot for the macbook pro max with 64 gb ram in comparison.. I already got mechanic keyboards and a great new ultra wide screen… But waiting 16 weeks.. Hmm… does not sound much fun. Though I am a student now, but I won’t be in a year from now, so must think ahead as well… My goal is to work from home or from anywhere, be a Digital Nomad developer, or ethical hacker, maybe a SOC analyst… Really not sure if I should hold my horses and money and wait for a Mac Studio?!? 😤🫤🤔 One will lock oneself up to a three year contract to rent an apple device from them, but that is the only way I can afford a new computer for now as a student…😵‍💫🫣what would be best to do!? 🤷🏼

[@bren.r]

@@SimplicityForGood honestly just go for it. You’ll probably be kicking yourself years later. While you could argue 32 is enough because the swap is fast, I’ve also heard people having system hangs when that memory pressure is high and swapping. The battery life difference is clearly there, but 11 hours on a laptop is more than I could ask for and charging is fast. If they made 64 for the M1 Pro, I’d get that. I’d rather have better battery life and less GPU cores

[@SimplicityForGood]

@@bren.r thanks for getting back! I go there talking with them on Wednesday about the Max chip 64 gb ram then! 😜😎

[@karakadir8860]

very nice review thank you very much

Hi there, I've just placed an order for a 32 GB Max with software development in mind and occasional game of Sid Myers's Civilization. Your video makes me question that choice. It appears that a 32 GB M1 Pro optimizes cost/RAM and battery life and a 64 GB M1 Max optimizes (really: maximizes) RAM (and minimizes memory swaps). My choice does neither. Should I change it while I can? 🤔 Also, I'd love to hear about the color choice. I ordered a Space Grey. I plan on keeping this machine for years. Because of that I'm having anxieties about wear and tear. Are those justified? Should I switch to Silver [while I'm at possible order adjustment] or concerns about chips, scratches, color tear at palmrest with the Space Grey should not deter me from that choice? Thank you in advance for your advice!

[@D3VTec]

Hey Adrian, your concerns are valid. I think for Civ the M1 Pro will do excellent. No need to bump Ram on that account. As for color, I have noticed some wear on the Space Gray versions of MBP's I own, but I have a few gouges on my Silver ones too. They are slightly more visible on the Space Gray but it doesn't affect utility. Palm rests don't wear, only when events that are metal on metal cause real scrapes and issues. My personal opinion, if you do plan on just owning it until it dies or it loses utility outright, let the scrapes and wear on either color show how much many miles and value you've claimed from the tool. At the end of the day, they are tools and they really don't need pampered. We are rough on these laptops, they are built for pros!

[@Philomate]

What is this app you’re using to dev, showed in this video?

[@fledgling5616]

What dock do you recommend for the M1 Pro? I really need one.

[@fledgling5616]

Is there one that you recommend that’s…cheaper? Like $30-$50? I know, pathetic budget. 😅

[@GPS379]

This is awesome 🤩

[@crearg8259]

Best singer I’ve ever met in Tech Channel!

[@LE8271]

Seriously? 23% temperature drop? Wtf does that mean? It is just 4.5% in Kelvins. What about measuring in horsepower/diopters?

[@dpbpd]

I have the 16 inch i9. I'm wondering if there is any reason to keep this? The apple trade in value is $1500 but I'm worried that if I do that I'll get to a point where I wish I didn't.

[@ashutoshshivakumar3131]

If you are a programmer keep the intel i9 as it supports a lot of the x86 applications

[@fledgling5616]

M1 Pro does have the 140W charger btw

[@D3VTec]

Thank you for that correction. I apologize for not catching that during editing.

[@fledgling5616]

@@D3VTec Np, you have a great channel :)

[@amritanshu22]

What do you do for a living?

[@edchelstephens]

Thank you

[@j.santiago7022]

Please setup an Amazon affiliate account and include links for the hardware you use and recommend. It would help fund the channel costs and giveaways.

[@mu.abdelhamid]

Nice content. Subscribed 👍

[@MrTintin345]

8:37 what is this IDE

[@Sebastian198910]

Hearing this device can last for 6 hours while working makes me really sad. Working with Visual Studio kills the battery in an hour without any issue :/

[@ananyadeva5394]

How does M1 Pro's performance compare to the M1 Max when compiling and running Android/iOS projects? I do not need more than 32 gigs of RAM and was wondering if I could buy an M1 Pro instead of the max in case their performance is comparable for mobile development.

[@ananyadeva5394]

The M1 Max has more GPU cores and double the memory bandwidth when compared to the M1 Pro. So it comes down to how Android/iOS builds leverage the extra GPU power (if at all) and the extra memory bandwidth. Emulators could benefit from the extra GPU power though.

[@fledgling5616]

@@ananyadeva5394 I think Apple’s website says Xcode runs at the same speed on pro and max

[@BoodskiBro]

5:23 I would say even if the Apple Silicon macs are good at swapping, you still want to avoid excessive swapping. Get the extra RAM ;)

[@D3VTec]

That's certainly my personal preference too, but if you're also working on a budget maybe that is the route you have to go.

[@baris5404]

seriously dude, you choice of dock isn't very relavant to the processor, seems to be a software problem anyway

[@Барьти]

So, you are using an external Keyboard for MacBook Pro The built-in keyboard is a USELESS one Thank you for admitting it👍👍👍👍

[@nirajosh]

Hi Bro, I really like all your videos but can I request you something ? If possible, Can you please create one video on Android Studio installation on M1 Pro/Max machine ? It will really provide a help.

[@NizaSiwale]

It's a standard installation which you can find anywhere

[@rssvg]

content starts at 2:30

[@anothernumber9753]

If you like coding on the couch and you value your future children go for apple sillicon 😂😉❤️

[@tvrrp]

You’re really improving quality of your videos but please fix the focus! Your face still unfocused