One second to compute the largest Fibonacci number I can

[@SheafificationOfG]

Wow, this really got a lot of attention... thanks everyone!! I'd normally engage with the comments directly but I'm about as efficient as the naïve Fibonacci algorithm at that sort of thing... since there are some trends in the comments, I figured I'd at least address the most common questions/concerns that I came across: 1. *Runtime of the "linear" algorithm.* I swept the detail under the rug (didn't seem like the right time, but hindsight is far acuity), but it's explained a bit more in the definitely-not-hard-to-find greyed-out paragraph at 10:53. Briefly, the linear algorithm is O(n^2), where n is the *index* of the Fibonacci sequence, and the digit-length of the nth Fibonacci number has O(n) digits thanks to Binet's formula! 2. *Colour palette.* Classic "works on my machine" moment; the colours looked a *lot* better on my computer before it got uploaded to KZbin. Sorry about that! I won't be using the same colour scheme in future videos; lesson learned. You can still read the actual source code at github.com/GSheaf/Fibsonicci 3. *Choice of number base.* Speaking of source code, there are some comments regarding my choice of using base-256 for my big integers. Just to clarify, I only made this restriction when dealing with Fourier transforms, with the justification being that double-precision floats wouldn't be able to handle larger bases. For the other, simpler algorithms, I used larger bases! This is summarised in the README for the source code. Most algorithms use base-2^32 (so that I could cast to 64-bits to do digit-wise products), and the "linear" algorithm uses base-2^64. 4. *Avoiding precision errors.* Many people mentioned the Number-Theoretic Transform as a correction to the FFT that doesn't suffer from the precision error. This would be a natural next step, at the cost of having to figure out a way of getting a sufficiently large prime p that is equal to 1 modulo the sequences being convolved (a headache I didn't want to get into after 25min of video). Alternatively, you can also implement "adjustable fixed-precision floats" to account for this. 5. Binet's formula doesn't render this problem "solved": how do you compute phi^n? 6. Memoisation is *not* a typo, and I'll die on this hill. Anyway, definitely enjoying reading all of the comments here!

[@somatia350]

Hello! I really like this video, but some of the concepts are beyond what I’ve learned. What would you recommend to first look at to get a greater understanding of the video?

[@tolkienfan1972]

@@SheafificationOfG are you sure you can't go bigger than base 256 for the fourier algo? Doubles have 51 bit mantissa's. 256 is 8 bits. Memoisation is correct

[@SheafificationOfG]

@somatia350 I think it'll depend on what concepts you want to go in more detail with, but a safe bet is probably The Book on algorithms (I.e., Cormen, Leiserson, Rivest, Stein). Not sure what it says regarding Fourier, but the book is excellent for giving you all the foundations in this kind of stuff, and you can build from there pretty easily.

[@SheafificationOfG]

​@tolkienfan1972 The reason for reducing the base to 2^8 is to ensure that the mantissa is large enough to hold the (implicit) *sums* of digits in the underlying convolution. Decreasing the digit size allows for larger sums. If I were to use 16-bit digits, I might see FFT break down after only the 47000th Fibonacci number, based on the same rough calculation in the video (granted this might be too pessimistic of a bound). On the other hand, if I used 4-bit numbers, I would be able to take the computations much further (past the 48 millionth Fibonacci number)... if I could compute that far.

[@tolkienfan1972]

@@SheafificationOfG if you add n 16bit (16 to hold the products) numbers you need ceil(16+lg(n)) bits. 51 - 16 is 35. That's about 32 billion limbs. Did I make a mistake?

[@karlll3321]

This video is 25 minutes not one second

[@landsgevaer]

Yeah! If I had 1 second I would shout 89, not turn on a computer and start making a video.

[@kingki1953]

The main problem is to find the best algorithm for calculate fibonacci number in one second

[@thekatdev6007]

@@kingki1953 aspergers

[@PC_Simo]

@@thekatdev6007 Savantism. That’s, where it’s at.

[@tavinyo2]

Lies

[@enderfun2852]

Let's all just appreciate that this man used DFT, FFT, Binet formula, Karatsuba's multiplication, Linear algebra, Complex numbers and Galois groups just to compute some Fibonacci numbers, whereas SIMD just left the chat

[@asdfghyter]

SIMD can only give a constant factor improvement though

[@pumpkinhead002]

​@@asdfghyterTrue, but that doesn't mean it's going to be slower. The problem statement is how many can be calculated in 1 second, not which algorithm had the most efficient computation logic. Although that is what the video is about. Technically a SIMD or GPU solution could be faster even with a naïve implementation

[@asdfghyter]

@@pumpkinhead002 not with the most naive solution, no. that would be very impossible, since it's exponential. with any of the better algorithms it could indeed be faster though, as long as it's at least polynomial some of the last steps only gave improvements by a factor, so those might very well be surpassed by a SIMD or GPU implementation though, it's not completely obvious how to parallelize this problem, as the key part of the definition is a recursion. the main component that is parallel is the basic arithmetic operations, which are basically inherently SIMD already, but SIMD might be used to make bigint implementations faster. (and of course the matrix operations, which i forgot when first writing this)

[@mtarek2005]

​@@pumpkinhead002I'd love to see gpu parallelized multiplication

[@BonktYT]

@@asdfghyter The fact that the most naive solutions are exponential still does not mean that they can't be faster during one second after a constant speedup from SIMD, it is in this case unlikely given the large problem size, but not impossible. You don't understand asymptotical performance measures.

[@diskpoppy]

My mind was wandering towards memory management and SIMD... but this is a math channel, and like you said - mathematicians can't program!

[@janisir4529]

@@diskpoppy this needs a cuda implementation somehow

[@tolkienfan1972]

Find the right algo first. The rest is linear speedups.

[@janisir4529]

@@tolkienfan1972 Certified "Mathematicians don't know how to program" moment. 1:55 You are going to run out of memory before your slightly better scaling algorithm catches up in speed to one that was actually well written to utilize the computer well.

[@diskpoppy]

​@@tolkienfan1972 You'd be surprised how much speed-up and overall efficiency you can gain when you're conscious of things like memory allocations, cache locality, and the hardware in general (that the program must run on in the end after all). The linear speed-up tends to be several orders of magnitude. Furthermore, there are absolutely cases where low-level details can affect the time complexity itself. On the flip side, even when the algorithm has a lower order, the constants that are left out of in the Big O notation can make it absolutely much worse for any inputs of interest. And I'd argue that actually implementing the thing and analysing it, can absolutely help with coming up with a better algorithm, especially if you find out all the redundant things a given program is doing.

[@luigidabro]

simd doesn't implement a carry bit

[@cobo1678]

Man that "1 F for you, and 5 F's for your closest friends" joke had me cackling. solid CS and math humour here lol

[@junyong0716]

i dont get it

[@vari1535]

i don't get it

[@shortsornothing4981]

Jim Rohn once said "You are the average of the five people you spend most of your time with".

[@JazzyMaxine]

@@vari1535 hexadecimal

[@dinhero21]

1FFFFFF₁₆ = 33554431₁₀ but why these numbers specifically?

[@dank.]

As a Russian, I don't blame you for thinking Karatsuba is Japanese

[@SheafificationOfG]

All I had to do was google it smh

[@dank.]

Just actually finished watching it - great video!

[@filo8086]

As a Russian, i- i thought its japanese too

[@treint6751]

​@@filo8086Yeah

[@_wetmath_]

as an asian i thought it was japanese too

[@michaelearnest1983]

This video is extremely refreshing! I've seen people claim that you can compute Fibonacci numbers in O(log n) time, because they saying that arithmetic operations take constant time, and there are only O(log n) operations. This approximation is often useful, but in the Fibonacci case, you cannot discount the added cost of adding/multiplying large integers. The way you showed the actual runtime increasing with graphs really sells this point.

[@Avighna]

I think people are generally talking about the n-th Fibonacci number modulo some integer when they say that.

[@palmberry5576]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@Avighnawhich is basically useless considering Fibonacci has linear memory requirements. Its similar in nature to the fallacy of O(1) hashmaps (maximum memory access speed is O(n^(1/3) for n bits, which has practical effects in the case of the various cache levels of a cpu and ram)

[@Avighna]

@@palmberry5576 It is a common task in competitive programming. And besides, why is knowing the 2 millionth Fibonacci number not under a modulus useful? It’s all theoretical anyway.

[@palmberry5576]

@@Avighna I meant it is useless to talk about modulo some integer considering the Fibonacci sequence’s length grows linearly with n

[@QuadfishTym]

@@palmberry5576 Can you elaborate on the n^(1/3) result? Where does that come from?

[@denizgoksu9868]

This reminds me of the time our discrete math course had a quiz that asked us to "compute f_300" and I, naive and brave, unironically tried doing it by hand. I was and still am pissed off to an unprecedented degree that "compute" apparently meant "Express the general term of the sequence as a linear combination of exponentials and substitute 300 into the free variable without doing any reduction"-they could have just told us to do that yk

[@landsgevaer]

I hope you knew how to use f(2n)= f(n+1)^2 - f(n-1)^2 at some point... 😉

[@denizgoksu9868]

@@landsgevaer Proving it and using it was my original strategy but the computation part was left half finished as I handed the paper in. I also attempted it after the fact on a blank sheet and figured it would have taken far too much time at that point anyway. But after this whole ordeal I am now less naive than I used to be regarding how computations scale as numbers grow

[@nikplaysgames4734]

Currently taking a discrete math shmmer course, our textbook linearized the recursive Fibonacci formula, it looked very complicated, can’t imagine doing that on a test lol

[@reddmst]

LMAO, I'm pretty sure the TA showed your paper to everyone in their lab and they had a ton of laugh about it xDD

[@johnchessant3012]

19:00 "a true measure of success is when you manage to unmake a name for yourself" LMAO

[@trwn87]

Yes, 😂.

[@XZenon]

Gauss things

[@janisir4529]

Do template meta programming. Technically it just prints out a number, the compilation taking a very long time doesn't matter, as the task was ill defined.

[@SheafificationOfG]

Template metaprogramming is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.

[@janisir4529]

@@SheafificationOfG constexpr should also work

[@JoJoModding]

The real answer is that you hardcore the largest number into the binary. Then the 1s time limit is mostly spend reading a number from disk and printing it again.

[@janisir4529]

@@JoJoModding I'm already literally cheating with template meta programming, but even I have standards to not sink that low.

[@JoJoModding]

@@janisir4529 I mean, it produces the same program, but just gets there faster

[@Danylux]

love how i came to the channel for set theory and stayed for computer science

[@SteveBakerIsHere]

Noooooo!!!!! Do not use this video as any kind of teaching of computer science. This is a train-wreck as far as computer science is concerned!

[@kindlin]

I definitely came for the computer science, a lot of the second half of the math *woosh*

[@flsendzz]

@@SteveBakerIsHerewhy?

[@aymangani5416]

@@SteveBakerIsHerewhy?

[@ke9tv]

When you got in the lecture to 'an F for you, and F''s for your five closest friends', KZbin cut to a commercial beginning 'An actual letter to [advertiser]'. I stuck around in the ad far too long waiting for your punchline, when I realized that it wasn't your joke, it was a practical joke from The Algorithm. I'm a computer scientist. I'm familiar with Schönhage-Straßen, and with Moler and Van Loan's 'nineteen dubious ways to compute the matrix exponential,' but your discussion is hilarious, in the flavour of Carl Linderholm's 'Mathematics Made Difficult'. Bravo!

[@subclassify.]

you got played

[@stefanalecu9532]

For the matrix method, you can have a 4x4 matrix derived from F(n), F(n-1), F(n-2), F(n-3). This is nice because you can express those with coefficients as powers of 2, which means you can use SIMD and process multiple numbers at the same time. You could even reasonably do this for an 8x8 matrix and get to use AVX2, but it's a tradeoff. Asymptotically nothing would change, but having a 4-8x speedup because of SIMD sure is helpful in real life. This is getting deep into the territory of optimizing big numbers (and at that point, why handroll your implementation instead of wrapping GMP?)

[@janisir4529]

I'm not sure SIMD would be helpful, moving data in and out of registers has quite an overhead. But the Number class should have been 2^32 based, that's basically just free speedup, because uint8_t is still done on the same ALU unit.

[@SheafificationOfG]

SIMD would be a bit more work to set up since the number class and its arithmetic is nontrivial, but those are ideas (and yeah, reinventing the wheel is definitely never worth it unless you think you're smarter than the many people who developed GMP haha but where's the fun in that). Also @janisir4529, while I used uint8_t for my FFT-based multiplications (for the sake of controlling the errors), everything else was done with uint32_t (the number class is actually templated)!

[@janisir4529]

@@SheafificationOfG Okay, that makes sense.

[@austinconner2479]

Using Schonhage-Strassen multiplication (basically fft over a finite field, so no using doubles and being limited by precision) and matrix exponentiation by squaring, I get the 67108864th fibb number in 1.02s. Doing the same using arithmatic over the number field gets the same in 993ms, basically not improving. Pari somehow computes the 200000000th number in under a second. Would be interesting to show how this was achieved

[@spacebusdriver]

Does it really make sense to compare these numbers when all calculations are (presumably) done on different machines?

[@farlaxx219]

@@spacebusdriver If we know the spec of each processor and memory, you could probably make some kind of generic average based off the performance stats, ie your processer is 2GHz and you get the 1,000,000th number, and i have a 3GHz processor and get the 1,800,000th number, we could scale these down to 1GHz on each machine, we would find you get 500,000th number, and I get 600,000th number, thus my solution is better. In saying that, it wouldn't be that accurate, but it might give a decent estimation of performance comparison. True performance equivalence is to have some standardized machine that people could have or test it on and run it. Could be a nifty website idea, you slap in your code and see it performs compared to others.

[@jm-alan]

As soon as you started explaining digital multiplication, I immediately realized you were going the Karatsuba route A few months ago I started working on an arbitrary precision integer library (for Fun and Profit™), and spent a whole bunch of time benchmarking exactly where the crossover should be to switch back to doing traditional multiplication vs the crazy allocation cost of doing recursive Karatsuba

[@DjVortex-w]

If you want to calculate the multiplication of very large integers as fast as possible, use the GMP library. The authors have done a huge amount of work to make it as efficient as possible.

[@leglaude6211]

As soon as you said the problem could be written using matrices I immediately thought "It could be a good idea to diagonalize the matrix!" and kept going crazy because you just wouldn't do it (until the end). Good video!

[@itoastpotatoes399]

Bro that's what I'm saying I was tweaking until the end. Ig it's because diagonalization is taught very early compared to the crazy shit he does with FFT, so we all know it and how fast it would be.

[@Vaaaaadim]

For an audience that may have people with varying proficiency or knowledge about the subject matter, I think it makes sense to start simple and gradually show increasingly more sophisticated methods. A choice could've been made whether to showcase the FFT or diagonalization first, but ultimately both those ideas are used in the final result.

[@bingusbongus9807]

i remember when and how i was taught the fibonacci sequence, it was year 4 and we were learning about sequences of numbers and the teacher said that this is a sequence not even mathematicians could figure out until they were told it and wrote the fibonacci sequence on the board, she gave us an attempt to figure out the pattern and no one did it

[@TheOneMaddin]

Your channel is truly one of the best math channels around right now. I know I know, opinions might vary depending on whats your level of math, but I can say that it perfect for me. And you do not lie to your audience that everything is EASY and then hit them with axioms they are supposed to absorb in 5sec. You know your math and you are not afraid to show it.

[@bloom945]

Man I loved this video! Though I didn't understand much past the linear algebra, it was still interesting to see your analysis of the runtime and the possible solutions to improve it. Kudos!

[@andermium]

Thank you for the subs at 11:40 💜! People that just copy their script have spoiled their jokes to me before

[@SheafificationOfG]

Glad the effort was worth it!

[@wkingston1248]

Great video, had a great time watching it. Looking forward to your next one! One peice of feedback though, dark blue text on a black background is very hard to read due to the contrast. It was difficult to read your code sometimes.

[@DiThi]

Not just contrast, but also video compression, where colors have less resolution (particularly pure blue and pure red).

[@SheafificationOfG]

Yeah, the video definitely looked better on my computer ("It runs on my computer" moment). I'll be changing my choice of colours for code in the future for sure, thanks!

[@ghostrider3911]

Loved this video! I'm a math & cs student, I learned a lot from watching how you connected all of these different areas in math/cs to solve a deceptively simple sounding problem! Please do more stuff like this, it's invaluable how you seamlessly showcased the usage of linear algebra, complexity analysis, complex numbers, Fourier transforms, bit/byte representation of the numbers, optimizing multiplications (and anything else I missed) for optimizing this. I've read and studied these concepts but it was never made THIS clear to me how they could be utilized in practice in such a cohesive video. If you read this, I'm curious how long did it take you to optimize this and get all the material for the video?

[@SheafificationOfG]

Really appreciate the comment! I kinda threw the code together a month ago, and then did some major refactoring halfway through before making it public. I kinda kept things honest (except for the bit-reversal in the FFT implementation), so I tried not to stress myself out with fine-tuning my optimisations, and I was already aware of the algorithms I was going to use before I put the video together.

[@zeFresk]

I have no idea how I ended up here, but this one of the best video I've seen. I look forward to your future videos :) I also loved your editing !

[@fernandogaray1681]

3:59 lmao best math joke I've heard lol

[@lollo863]

I thought there would be a joke about constexpr and compile-time calculations to create a constant time result at runtime. Nice video

[@SheafificationOfG]

Missed opportunity

[@suhradpatel2322]

14:37 I get it! 1FFFFFF is 33,554,431 in hexadecimal.

[@TalkingBook]

This video is packed with easter eggs that are barely visible on top of a rapid if smooth delivery. I have not laughed so hard at a mathy video ever. Nor rewound so many times. Straight talk from a meme master.

[@edwardfanboy]

When multiplying very large numbers using an FFT, doing it over the complex numbers is slow and may also lead to incorrect results due to rounding error. Instead, do the fast Fourier transform over the ring Z/nZ, choosing n such that there exists a principal (FFT size)th root of unity.

[@drdca8263]

How can you pick such an n?

[@edwardfanboy]

@@drdca8263 I'm not sure of the details, but popular choices are Mersenne primes n=2^p - 1 and Fermat numbers n=2^2^k + 1. Things to look up are "number theoretic transform", "Mersenne number transform" and "Fermat number transform".

[@YEWCHENGYINMoe]

11:02 EXPANDED FIBONACCI NUMBERS INTO THE REALS

[@edsaid4719]

Akchually it's only expanding into the rationals 🤓☝️

[@Rando2101]

​@@edsaid4719 complex numbers:

[@tehdarkneswithin]

Even knowing everything in the video already, the humour was quite good and I was thoroughly entertained, and seeing the runtime graphs was pleasing. Another banger from my favourite sheaf!

[@CarrotCakeMake]

FFT is usually done using number theoretic transform, rather than real numbers. And there's probably a fast way to do this using Chinese Remainder.

[@Nikarus2370]

If you want an easy quick followup video. See how long it takes each other function to hit the number reached by the gold metalist number. (feel free to not caluclate it with the recussive function... pretty sure we'll hit the heat death of the universe before that 1 gets done)

[@TerjeMathisen]

Very nice! I spent the first 20 minutes or so waiting for the Binet formula, did not expect you to get close to the limit for fft multiplication...

[@Luca_5425]

Duuuude great video quality! I was impressed this channel didn't have more subscribers... got me at the end, though! For sure subscribing

[@ricpb]

This is essentially a speedrun in computer science. Well done! Imagine having this class on the first day of computer science and then learning all the details about this masterpiece.

[@Filup]

I started watching this video shortly after it was posted, and decided to implement this all in Rust using benchmarking. I thought this would be a fun project since I am new to Rust. 6h later, and things are getting off the ground. I'll edit this comment and add a link to my repo when it is finished :)

[@SheafificationOfG]

Even if (when?) you beat my golden record, I still won't convert to rust 🦀

[@Filup]

@@SheafificationOfG I started in python and C# as my main, and then got into Haskell. I'm loving Rust, but it's definitely a chore to learn. It was difficult to find the time to learn between semesters 😩

[@csilval18]

The analysis at 7:30 is incorrect. The sum of numbers is proportional to the length of the number, not its size, so it doesn't grow with n, rather with log(n). So the algorithm isn't O(n^2) but O(nlog(n)). Huge difference.

[@landsgevaer]

Nah, it is correct, actually. It indeed grows with n if you define n as the number of digits, like you say. Now, since the Fibonacci numbers grow asymptotically exponentially, their number of digits relates linearly to the index (roughly one extra digit every five steps), and that index is used as n in the video. So the video looks correct to me.

[@williamjedig7480]

He also mentions this at 10:54 , but I agree it should've been mentioned earlier. Stumped me as well

[@ddddddbingbong]

Completely agree. I just typed out something similar and then saw your comment

[@luminica_]

@@landsgevaer If you define n as the number of digits you perform 2^n sums of n digits so it is n*2^n not n^2.

[@landsgevaer]

@@luminica_ 2^n sums of digits? How is that?

[@aik21899]

5 minutes in, already had to flip a table on the affine joke. Great video, subbed.

[@mgostIH]

Wow I never considered the field method at the end, it can come out useful for other stuff whenever one knows you're working with just specific roots! I wonder how one can generalize this for fast diagonalization of any matrix, since eigenvalues will always be roots of polynomials, I will think about it, right after liking and subscribing!

[@jamilhaidarahmad4092]

This has been one of the best videos I've seen on KZbin. While I'm already familiar with all of the steps you've taken, the way you merged them together neatly while still respecting and addressing the imprecisions added when you use the fourier transform made the video a very enjoyable and elegant demonstration. By addressing the issues at the end you scratched that itch at the back of my head and I thank you for that.

[@Ganerrr]

diamond medalist: storing the number in code and printing it

[@jgd7344]

What a fascinating number, great video! Happy birthday to your dad from Australia!

[@aronhegedus]

This is a really cool video! In particular a very obvious reason for why the vanilla "linear" fibonacci is O(n^2) rather than O(n), which I didn't realise at first. Also having the direct form of the nth fibonacci number via diagonalisation is so neat! I knew the proof for it from a different kind of proof (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recurrence_relation), but the diagnonalisation is much more intuitive. Nicely edited as well! Might have forgotten this, but would have liked to know bit more about the specs of your laptop

[@FunctionallyLiteratePerson]

The whole time, I was wondering why you weren't using the closed form. Great video!

[@tolkienfan1972]

Ok, the last method I did not see coming. Nice job!

[@jacquev6]

This is great work! I loved seeing more and more complex math theory appear to solve a seemingly simple problem faster and faster. Thank you for taking the time to produce this video and share it with us!

[@MooImABunny]

I was waiting for the Binet algorithm from the start, but the journey was actually interesting, so I stayed. I honestly never considered the fact that if you work with numbers with undetermined bit size, you'd need fft just to compute a product of two integers, that's pretty crazy

[@sebastianmestre8971]

I thought you were going to explain finite-field FFT (a.k.a. Number Theoretic Transform) at the end. FFT can be suitably modified to work on Z_p instead of C, for certain primes p. The main requirement on p is that 2^k | p-1 for some k > log2(N), because k bounds how many times you can do the FFT trick of splitting into even and odd parts Not only does NTT not have precision issues, it is also usually faster because it uses half as much space and basic operations are done on integers.

[@benharris8382]

This is an incredibly neat demonstration of optimisation techniques that typical programmers like myself aren't familiar/comfortable with. Great video, well done!

[@JohnBukkake]

Whats your osu name

[@antarctic214]

An alternate way to get from 4 to 2 numbers is to realize that calculating Mⁿ is the same as evaluating the polynimial Xⁿ at M. Because M² = M + 1 this evaluation factors through Z[X]/, which means you can just calculate X^n in this ring (with exponentiation by squaring) instead and then ebaluate at M. The last step is the same as adding the coefficients in front of X⁰ and X¹. The same can easily be done for a general linear recurrence by calculating X^n in R[X]/ and linearly mapping to R by mapping Xⁱ to the i-th starting value.

[@CraigGidney]

This python code gets past the four millionth Fibonacci number in half a second on my laptop. Normally, python would be disastrous for speed, but most of the time is spent inside CPython's schoolbook(?) multiplication doing the last three squarings. The way I wrote this code was by starting from repeated squaring of {{0,1},{1,1}} and then simplifying by realizing the intermediate matrices always had the form {{a,b},{b,a+b}}. def fib_power_of_2(exponent: int) -> int: a, b = 0, 1 while exponent: a2 = a**2 b2 = b**2 ab2 = (a+b)**2 a = a2 + b2 b = ab2 - a2 exponent -= 1 return b

[@fplancke3336]

Python integer multiplication is quite optimised: it uses Karatsuba when warranted.

[@SheafificationOfG]

Yeah, I very conveniently left out how easy it is to outdo my implementation using well-established large number classes like those used in CPython or GMP :^)

[@CraigGidney]

@@fplancke3336 Hey, you're right! I thought Python used schoolbook but I searched "karatsuba" in the CPython's github repo and found where they switch to it. They also seem to be making decisions based on if it's squaring instead of multiplying. They don't seem to be using Schonnage-Strassen or SSE instructions, though.

[@liesdamnlies3372]

A fascinating topic marred by the unreadability of the blue-on-black types and reserved words.

[@kevinosborn3258]

Dude this channel is so good Curious about parallelization 👀

[@lih3391]

You have to do the computations in order though right?

[@luigidabro]

​@@lih3391yes

[@janisir4529]

@@lih3391 I kinda want to multithread this, but I don't think it's possible. The matrix multiplication could be parallelized theoretically, but by the time starting a thread for a single multiplication becomes worth it, we no longer fit into memory.

[@loganjoy-koer5936]

I wrote the linear program on my TI-84 Plus CE graphing calculator and it only got to around F(70) 0->A 1->B startTmr->T Repeat checkTmr(T):End:"Wait until first (inconsistent) second is over" Repeat checkTmr(T)=2:"Main Loop" A+B->C B->A C->B End Disp C

[@RuslanKovtun]

50 lines of C code with GMP and matrix approach (4 multiplications) with -O0 can go for 67'108'864-th fibonacci number in one second. Life lesson: do not rewrite yourself highly optimized code.

[@luigidabro]

Why would you tell us your result by running it in debug mode? Try -O3 (obviously) -march=native

[@janisir4529]

I mean, I have managed to write a better printf than printf. It could only print out integers, but it was very fast.

[@SheafificationOfG]

@RuslanKovtun used -O0 to really show me up, since I used -O3 and -march=native But you're right, there's unfounded hubris in thinking you can outdo the work of well-established large number libraries, even Python can put my golden output to shame.

[@RuslanKovtun]

@@SheafificationOfG , you and ​ @luigidabro missed that GMP is a library that is statically liked as -lgmp and has all optimizations in it. Yes, it is like in python where your code just calls it, but I will argue that python is still slow even for single "for" loop.

[@tediustimmy]

The thing is, GMP has like ten different multiplication algorithms to choose from, and it selects the presumed fastest given the input arguments. There is no purpose in doing a Fourier transform for 6 * 4.

[@syrix5914]

This is completely above my pay grade. But I enjoyed it a lot. After the introduction of the matrix multiplication I was expecting some GPU shenanigans.

[@ptitbgdu8040]

7:26 Just some more details to explain why the number of digits of Fn is O(n) : the sequence (Fn) is equivalent to p^n where p is the golden ratio. So the number of digits of Fn is O(log(p^n)) = O(nlog(p)) = O(n). This being in a linear loop gives an algorithm with a complexity of O(n²).

[@IlaiShoshani]

Wow, great video! I really hope there would be more algorithm and performance focused videos in the future :)

[@MPKampersand]

I love the idea that someone would come across this as their first introduction to the Fibonacci sequence, be able to immediately understand what it means that it's a "recurrence relation," and then make it through the whole video.

[@waiitwhaat]

Didn't expect a channel doing fast Fibonacci algorithms to be into osu! but somehow I'm not surprised.

[@nikplaysgames4734]

Wait he plays osu as well? What’s the osu channel

[@waiitwhaat]

@@nikplaysgames4734 My hint was 'wysi' in the chapter name for 17:27

[@Nicsnapsalot]

If your only goal is to compute the largest fibonacci number and not all the numbers in the sequence then you can use a trick I found out where the nth fibonacci number squared plus the n+1 fibonacci number squared equals the 2n+1th fibonacci number. Using the 100th, 101st, and 102nd fibonacci numbers you could compute the 201st and 203rd fibonacci numbers and then get the 202nd with the 203rd minus the 201st. Now that you have the 201st, 202nd and 203rd terms, you rinse and repeat doubling every time and you would blow past the four millionth term in less than twenty "leaps" assuming you had the number storage capacity ... not sure how to solve that problem.

[@SheafificationOfG]

While using the recurrence relations you wrote down is certainly much more streamlined, fast exponentiarion also performs similar "leaps", and I don't compute all Fibonacci numbers leading up to the target. In particular, these two algorithms have the same asymptotic runtime, capped by the speed of the multiplication algorithm.

[@Cracks094]

Man the world of Math is truly wild. I'd have done a+b=c, then b->a, c->b and repeat. Seeing you use vastly more complex things that I am unable to comprehend was just as fascinating as it was confusing to me. I learned absolutely nothing, understood even less than that and somehow, I was still entertained. Incredible.

[@lynnwilliam]

As someone who did Complexity Analysis in college, I love your video. brings me back ! Your not a YT programmer, you are a computer scientist !

[@Foxtr0t1337]

I have no idea what you are talking about at 3:47. So I HAVE TO subscribe.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@NubPaws]

This was such an amazing video, thank you so much for making it. I have always wondered where the closed-form formula came from for the Fibonacci numbers.

[@mujtabaalam5907]

You don't need to compute evey Fibonacci number, only the largest - so your exponential matrix multiplication can just keep doubling for the entire second to get something huge

[@jacobcohen76]

Liked it! The last solution was beyond what I knew from school. You've inspired me to start studying maths again because i haven't thought of an eigenvalue in years.

[@mateusvmv]

@23:30 You can use Number Theoretic Transform to achieve the same time complexity as FFT without loss of precision. You just need to find a very large prime number (slow) and hard code it (fast).

[@NTNscrub]

I saw bionicle and had to like. Moreover, awesome video in regards to the consequences of abiding by ‘Big O’ notation for efficiency while ignoring practical limitations of memory. It also shows a good peek into the depths of optimization for beginners in the realm of coding. Thanks for the treat.

[@Nim2]

Actually perfect timing, since I just proved binet's formula as prep for my LA exam

[@ferdynandkiepski5026]

One thing I'm worried about is the lack of any optimization flags in the Makefile. At what optimization level did you run the tests? The lack of it in the Makefile is very bad for reproducibility.

[@jamesbeagin9068]

I watched this about when it came out and was thinking about it for a while. In English class one day, I drew a chart that had a few low Fibonacci numbers each arranged diagonally to the previous and above the one two before it. I realized that each F(n) is equal to the sum of two lesser consecutive Fibonacci numbers each multiplied by another set of consecutive Fibonacci numbers, where the larger two are grouped and the lesser two are grouped. In the context of this video, if F(0) = 0, (F(n))^2 + (F(n-1))^2 = F(2n-1). 8^2 + 13^2 = 233. From the matrix point of the video on, I didn't have a good idea of what math all of those symbols actually signifies, so if its this then okay I guess. But I would think that this algorithm would run faster than O(n log n), and if its not necessary to compute all of the numbers along the way, i would expect it to be very efficient. In pseudocode: OldSmall = 0 OldMedium = 1 OldBig = 1 StartTime = time TimeAlotted = 1000 loop( NewSmall = OldSmall^2 + OldMedium^2 NewBig = OldMedium^2 + OldBig^2 NewMedium = NewBig - NewSmall if( time - StartTime > TimeAlotted ){ output( OldBig ) } OldSmall = NewSmall OldMedium = NewMedium OldBig = NewBig ) Looking at it, the computation for computing F(n) would be approximately 8x (4/1 + 4/2 + 4/4 ...) squaring a ~((n log phi)/2) digit number, assuming addition and moving around are numbers are trivial operations compared to multiplication. Wikipedia says that multiplying 2 n-digit numbers is O(n log n), so I guess it didn't get anywhere. Watching back, I think i understand the matrix section of the video more. He was doing something similar to this, but with a matrix instead of integers (which i still dont understand), and then just optimising the multiplication (until it becomes O(n log n))(Which i also dont understand!). Since both ways have the same rough complexity, which one is actually faster? Right before I comment this, that 8x can be improved to 6x since OldMedium^2 is computed twice.

[@justlm228]

a good optimization is to use number theoretic transform that is done on the ring Z_p, where p is such a prime that 2^n | (p - 1). avoids dumb floating point arithmetic and precision errors altogether while also having better complexity of basic arithmetic operations, but there's a tradeoff, a big amount of taking numbers modulo p. a good optimization tactic you could use use Montgomery multiplication, in which we take numbers modulo only in the start and in the end while replacing all modulos in fft with bitwise operations. saw this optimization in some blog on codeforces as a cool trick

[@AkilManivannan]

I came for a video on cool hardware optimizations, stayed for the interesting math techniques, and subscribed because of the Matrix references.

[@chubphd]

“[It] is known as the Cooley-Tukey algorithm, so-called because these insights are due to none other than the same person who discovered the Fourier transform… Gauss.” LMAOOO

[@Saru-Dono]

Incredible video. I stopped understanding when we hit FFT, but still a great watch.

[@treelibrarian7618]

for context: a fully optimised arbitrary-bit-width integer implementation of the naive approach can manage 1,126,269 iterations in 1s (i5-11400 @4.3GHz), beating all but the final 2 fft-based implementations in this video. But it is O(N²) so it will take just under 14s to get to fib(4192540), producing a 3 Megabit-wide result. This is 64-bit scalar, using ADC instructions. I'm not convinced that vectorising can increase this due to complexity of propagating carries. Newer CPU's can probably go faster, it all depends on how many adc's can be performed simultaneously.

[@TRD6932]

I fucking love watching videos that delve into topics that I clearly don't/shouldn't understand I don't even know how this crept into my recommended. But I love this

[@CharlesVanNoland]

I'm sure I learned about the Fibonacci sequence in school, but I didn't become consciously aware of it until I was in jail one time - and someone who I knew that wasn't particularly nerdy explained it to me, and that's when it stuck. I started calculating out the Golden Ratio in my cell. That was about 17 years ago? So, yeah, I remember when I became properly made aware of the Fibonacci sequence.

[@jameslew7269]

you can avoid the precision issues with fft by using the number theoretic transform and a well chosen sufficiently large prime

[@Ayyouboss]

"This isn't a math channel afterall".... Continues to do math.... 😂💀

[@Baptistetriple0]

the second I saw the 2x2 matrix equation at 5:28, matrix diagonalisation immediatly came to mind. Probably PTSD from math class. I wondered when you will talk about this and I was not disappointed when it came out !

[@Qstate]

This was very interesting, i like how you guide through the issues.

[@shadeblackwolf1508]

the "fast" multiplication algorithm has such a high cost before it takes over that you wanna delegate to normal multiplication at some scale

[@user-zu8vc5ef6w]

A dedicated video for such a simple yet deep problem. What a blessing!

[@matthartley6537]

By looking at the structure of the generating matrix to reduce the number of multiplies down to three to double the index, choosing those three multiplies correctly, and using async, I managed to calculate the 402653185th fibonacci number in .9 seconds. Without async, the best I was able to do was the 258280326th fibonacci number, which required me to use two multiplies to triple the index of the fibonacci number (the formula wasn't suitable for async, however). I did use gmp, though, so I had somebody else implementing the large int multiplies for me, which was what I think the entire point of your video was, showing off your own implementation of that. Also, gmp comes with its own fibonacci number calculator, that I only used to verify, and indeed beat with my async solution.

[@user-BakedCat]

This is an amazing video, and I am surprised it only has 4k views. This deserves so much more!

[@ConFusi0n]

Cool video, well edited, engaging, & informative. (the dark blue text on black is hard to read though)

[@noottoot1523]

I’ve got absolutely no clue what’s going on, yet I watched every second of it.

[@null_s3t]

the William DaFoe gif got me, subscribed 😔

[@davcaslop]

I instantly thought about the closed form for F_n, good video but you know, I just needed the confirmation

[@paintspot]

Great video! My only qualm is the choice of "Which axis is which" on the graph. Like, the huge slowdowns in the graph at 9:45 look like huge JUMPS in progress, lol -Paintspot Infez Wasabi!

[@user-ul6pt9vi5q]

Let's consider a vector space of all sequences satisfying Fibonacci recurrence(which obviously has dimension 2), and operator V of left shift by 1 (forgetting the first element). This is obviously a linear operator, satisfying charpoly equation V^2 - V - 1. So computing n-th Fibonacci number reduced to computing V^n and applying it to vector (F_0, F_1) to get (F_n, F_(n+1)), and all you need to do is to compute x^n modulo x^2 - x - 1, if it is represented by class ax + b, then a = F_n is your answer. It may not give performance boost for Fibonacci sequence, but it is really important on higher degree recurrences. For example, if you have recurrence degree d, and you want to compute n-th term, assuming all arithmetic takes constant time (i.e over finite field) then matrix approach with fast powering gives O(d^3 log n) and surely no better than O(d^2 log n), while this approach(computing x^n modulo charpoly) gives O(d log d log n) using fast polynomial multiplication. Moral: don't represent linear operators in coordinates, unless you really need it. Choosing basis is bad option.

[@APF3LKUCH3NLP]

I enjoyed this! If I find the time this weekend, I'll try to throw together something similar but slightly optimized for parallelization in bend and see if I can't beat you by a few OOM using pure cuda grunt :3

[@Patashu]

The 6 million fibbonaci number limit is just because you're using double floating point numbers, right? If you swapped to quads or arbitrary precision you could go past that then. Though that's probably a little bit too much of a rabbit hole for the scope of this video...

[@saniancreations]

Great video, one criticism though: dark blue is really not that legible on a black background, changing the colours of the code highlighting to something more contrasting (e.g. around 3:54) would help a lot!

[@jamescarrigan6649]

15:03 That Bilbo meme was completely unexpected and hilarious.

[@Vodboi]

25:05 I just love when sentences suddenly begin consisting of very cromulent words.