One Speaker Layout: Atmos + Auro3D Home Theater [sponsored by Bosma]

[@larsmaier3394]

I'm from Germany was a surprise to See Patrick in your Video :D

[@charlestwoo]

I wanna say discovering that I can fine tune Auro-3D was a huge deal, I rushed to try it and got some insane results that I instantly fell in love with (I set my Auromatic to Large for cinema and 10/16 for tuning). I don't think I'm going back to DTS:X. One more thing, I think Atmos 95% of the time is trash and I've never heard a native Atmos movie that didn't get orders of magnitude better with an upmixer like Auro3d or DTS:X.

[@nogoodkeister9251]

I'm installing my home theater next week and so torn between this. There's conflicting opinions all over the internet. I have 4 Klipsch 5800 in-ceiling speakers ready to go. I was going to place them 45 degrees from the MLP, but now considering placing them 30 degrees to satisfy both Atmos and Auro3D. But I don't want to regret it!

[@joker927]

This video mentions part 1 and part 3 but there's no "part" in the title and no links in the description

[@SkyCyberguy]

Interesting detail: Some scoring stages and mixing facilities in Hollywood have the Auro 3D speaker layout installed - for Dolby Atmos!

[@circeseye1]

for ceiling atmos speakers (inceiling) dont get straight down firing. get ones that the speaker is mounted in the housing at a angle and the mid/tweet is adjustable.that way they are angled toward sitting position. also sides and rears get bipoles you wont regret it im running 7.2.4 with a x3700h with fronts ran on separate amp. in a 19x19 room. and it sounds amazing after coming from a 5.2 set up

[@Professor5180]

So getting in-ceiling speakers is still doable if you can angle them? That's what I was wanting bc I didn't just want to get a height speaker and hang it from the ceiling. I've come to the conclusion to install them above my front L&R and rear L&R speakers.

[@jayankoshy5145]

The Klipsch 5800 ceiling has the adjustable tweeter.

[@toby9999]

That's me already priced out. The Denon X4700H is $3500 in Australia.

[@renesonse5794]

Not to mention the speakers

[@charlestwoo]

@True South I'm not saying that what you're recommending is wrong, but if you use upmixers you will love every additional speaker you add even if all your contents are in a different format. At least that's how it is with me (7.2.6), I have 0 Auro3D and 0 DTS:X content but upmixing to DTS:Neural X and Auro3D from whatever i have is an insane surround quality boost.

[@TheRealSchnitti]

You could look out for one of the previous versions. The 4500H and 4400H support Atmos, DTS:X and Auro too. Maybe you get one of them a little bit cheaper ...

[@chrisd6736]

This is a great video. I have an atmos system and have been trying to figure out how to make it auro 3D compatible. I’ve heard their music upmixing is the best.

[@letstalkcriterion]

I bought the Denon 3700H last year but had changed it within a few months I found it a bit harsh sounding with music soundtracks plus I use an Oppo for 5.1 music surround I got a Marantz SR7015 (9 amps) which has the immersive sound formats films sound more rounded and music is stellar. I also recommend separate amp for the front speakers I also did that and it was night and day difference. I'm now on 7.14. I added 4 SVS elevation speakers and that topped things off for me my room won't accommdate more speakers as its small. I tried Auro 3d but still prefer Atmos - there is very little content available supporting Auro 3D direct so you always have to upmix from a Dolby TrueHD or 5.1 DTS source.

[@qua7771]

I still have a SR7011, which is basically the same amplifiers. It's hard to justify upgrading for the newer processing alone. I agree with what you're saying. I'm using a MM7055 amp for the front 3, to relieve the receiver of that load. Mine is 6.2.4. I don't have space for two rears. Just a single in a bay window area. It works fine to my ears. I also have an Oppo UDP-203. I'm driving Kef R series speakers. Q50a for height. I couldn't be much more satisfied. I need some room treatment though. I hung a polyester foam panel picture set, and they do work. I watched God Zilla, and there was a lot of atoms action. Aura 3d seems best for up-converting some 5.1 mixes. There's not much native Aura 3D media available. Anyway, great to hear from someone who has a similar set-up.

[@chipmunk6386]

Awesome hat😲

[@chodson65]

I have the 4400. I bought Anthony Gallo micro for the souround and adiva for left and right front. Centerbis the Gallo media center. Basically 4cadiva and an electrostatic tweeter. I wanted looks is going in the living room.

[@stopthefomo]

What questions do you have about buying home theater gear?

[@drdiegoeverybodyssomeone7247]

I definitely have a great sound bar very high end But im planning to get something for just high quality surround sound..I really love DTS,DOLBY,THX, ETC.. lol so..I guess what sound do you prefer personally? And what would you say it your favorite? Thank you for the amazing video Always great to see Much love and respect to you and yours always 😎🙏❤🙌🌹

[@SneakDrop1]

What about Vizio Elevate?

[@justinfeller7611]

Would love to see some speaker reviews! What is your opinion on GoldenEar technology speakers?

[@justinfeller7611]

@@drdiegoeverybodyssomeone7247 the format isn't all that important! How well it's mixed is. If the mix is good they are all equally good. If it is a bad mix then arus3d has a bit of an edge due to the upmix decoding technology.

[@drdiegoeverybodyssomeone7247]

@@justinfeller7611 my bro..much love N respect for the feedback..I just love sound and learning more everyday..thanks again for the message. Much appreciated brother 🙏🙌❤💯

[@paulk9534]

Instead of having two rear heights, or two front heights… could i just use one? Would this compliment if i have two ceiling speakers and one rear height for example?

[@ludgerjagerskupper3676]

Question to that topic: My room is 2.2m (7.2 ft) high and the sweet spot is 4m (13 ft) from the screen. So if I have the front hight speakers on top of the front left and right speakers, it's only at an 18 degree angel (not 30 as needed). However, if I follow the advice of moving the front hights to the ceiling, they come very close. In fact, to achieve 30 degree, they are only 2m (7 ft) away from the sweet spot. Auro says that there is a 10% rule, so the hights should only be 10% closer than the front speakers. So what should I do? 1. Right distance but wrong angle (18 degree instead of 30) 2. Right angel but wrong distance to the hights (2m instead of 4m). I can't have both so which one is the better compromise? Thanks!!!!

[@ProjectSOG]

Great video fomo! I'm looking to have a unified layout for auro and atmos. On the lower level surrounds, what would be a good placement for them in terms of what height of the floor should they be?

[@bostonquad2068]

Emotiva Dolby Atmos speakers can be hung up or can be put on top of a speaker i have them on the speaker and they sound wonderful

[@georgepopescu1327]

I have a 7.1.4 layout with the height channels placed almost exactly how you see at 11:00 with the difference that I placed the speakers further from each other, and close to the room corners. My receiver is not Auro 3D compatible but I can tell you that both Dolby Atmos and DTS X sounds fantastic, with objects placed exactly where they should be. So from my experience I belive it can work a mix of these 3 formats and you don't need in-celling atmos speakers as long as you have good quality height speakers, placed corectly. However my HT room height is 2.5m so I was able to install the atmos speakers quite high. I don't think it will work very good in a room with low ceiling. My next AV receiver will be Auro 3D compatible and I'm hoping for a 7.1.6 (the complete layout from minute 11:00) for full Auro experience :)

[@heimkinobinaptikum5229]

Please check out my „One-for-all-Setup-Guide“ which is also part of the link summery in the video description. The guide gives detailed information about the loudspeaker positions and angles of an unified speaker layout which supports all three immersive 3D sound formats with only one loudspeaker configuration. Patrick and Wilfried van Baelen were also involved in creating this document.

[@stopthefomo]

YES, thank you for that!!!

[@gerhardkoth6291]

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[@georgestephens2038]

love the shirt

[@rubachandru]

Is it advisable or will it be ideal to have a layout 7 bed channel and 2 front height and 2 middle ceiling. For 7.2.4 setup. Kindly advise. Thanks in advance😂

[@abdullahalqattan3964]

I have Yamaha RX-V6a which i installed as 5.1.2 Should i sell it and buy another AVR with 5.1.4??does it worth upgrading and spending extra 1000$

[@stopthefomo]

If you do get 5.1.4, it's only worth it if it has Auro3D as this is a great complement to Atmos: if the movie has a bad atmos mix, then Auromatic does a great job making it sound better.

[@abdullahalqattan3964]

@@stopthefomo Thank you You helped me alot choosing my TV and now helping me with sound system I am greatful

[@doantp]

Hello FOMO and Patrick! Great information and Fantastic Passion on 3D audio. Quick question: what receiver that support 5.1.6 Auro speaker layout, which includes Voice of God channel and Center Height channel. According to Auro, this is 11.1 speaker layout recommended.

[@donernesto1756]

Thanks FOMO.

[@o.c.g.m9426]

Not understandin how to get Auro 3d. I tried watching Transformers (which is mixed in D.A & D.V) I can't get it(x4700h) to show auro 3d, but I can when I'm watching reg TV?

[@joekool5676]

Question I have 5.2.4 set up with Marantz. The top 4 are more in line with atmos than auro. Am I better to use it as itbis or change rear top to be assigned as rears and function as 7.2.2. Many say that more info in rears than atmos. Also will try Auro though front heights are not directly above my front towers

[@winstonsmith8107]

What about older Denon AVR receives? (Eg 4400h,4500,ect)

[@alexpulchritudoff7999]

Good Video, I'm interested to hear what upmixer you like best. I'm still on Pro Logic IIZ, and I like the upmixed sound to the extra front channels.

[@stopthefomo]

Me too! I'm still in the middle of my theater build-out so I can't wait to share my reviews with you all!

[@heimkinobinaptikum5229]

The Auro-Matic is used in at least 95% of all my available content. I have installed a 7.1.6 Home Cinema with Front Heights and Rear Height at 30 degrees elevation angle, Center Heights and Voice of God, and the Auro-Matic is also using the full set of speakers. Additionally I have installed a set of Top Middles also to support the 7.1.6 Atmos layout.

[@KingDavid683]

What about Auro 3D with a Sennisher Ambeo? is that close?

[@tuemose22]

this makes no sense, because the x4700h cost abit more. than the x3800h, and that has 9 channels and preout for 11 channels... so why tell people, the x4700h, is the cheapest denon for this setup.

[@luisjaramillo9641]

What does that Trinnov retail for?

[@bostonquad2068]

And they updated it for 4k120hz i have one

[@billneal7879]

Hi FOMO I tryed to ask a question on your live show. But I did not no what I was doing. I sent you $5.00 but my ? didn't go with my $5.00 send. So I'm hopping you will see this and send a answer to my ?. I was going to buy the Sony 65" X950H. I'm trying to get a TV that has a good sound system built in. I just can't fit a sound bar in my set up. But now I'm thing maybe given my budget the Sony 55" A80J OLED might be better for me. Give up a little in size for picture and sound. I'm replacing my Samsung Plazma TV. What do you think ? Thanks Bill Neal your new subscriber!

[@stopthefomo]

I saw your super chat Bill, but couldn't find your question either - so here's the answer: these TV sound systems all sound above average but not quite sound bar level, but better than most: CX, A80J, A8H, C1, X950H, QN90A. So you're in good company if you choose any of those! Sorry again for missing your Q&A earlier!

[@billneal7879]

Thank you Love you channel

[@mattpipke5716]

This isnt entirely accurate. The X3700h AVR will process 11 channels and power 9, it is 1100.00 shipped and the least expensive 8k 9/11 channel avr from Denon, the problem is they do not offer Auro 3d on the 3700h for some reason, probably only to get people to buy the more expensive model the 4700 which can be 500 more than the 3700 and is nearly the same with a tiny bit more power and the ability to add on Auro 3d. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth that the X3700h was excluded from Auro 3d but whatever I do get dts:x and atmos and ghey both wrok great I also get Virtual dts so I can simulate an atmos type sound field even when the signal may be dd+ or surround. Anyway the 4700 is only the least expensive avr IF you need Auro 3d, which lets face it, you dont NEED. You will pay 500 more for the 4700 and then pay an additional fee for the auro3d to be added, so closer to 700 more for the 4700 vs the 3700.

[@SneakDrop1]

What do you think about the Vizio Elevate?

[@stopthefomo]

Excellent for a sound bar, but everything is still mostly in front of you - you won't get the surround immersion, especially flights overhead.

[@SneakDrop1]

@@stopthefomo I’m not sure if you have a video about the best sound bars for 2021. If you don’t I highly recommend it! Would definitely watch it!

[@krupkake1]

Atmos is winning this particular format war, is it not? In the states, streaming content for both movies and music is available for Dolby Atmos and not for DTS and Auro. When you consider this, your budget options for a receiver opens up.

[@stopthefomo]

Yes and No. Atmos is being licensed on more content, but sadly, Auromatic does a better job making this "Atmos" content sound better than native Atmos, if that makes sense? I'll do some demos to better explain it in future videos. It's crazy - Atmos is an amazing technology, but the studios are too cheap to pay mixers to do it right so you end up with what is essentially a 7.1 mix (sometimes 5.1) within an Atmos 7.1.4 container. So Atmos plays back exactly what's in the mix "el cheapo" creator's intent which is not at all what you get in the theater and Auromatic will upmix this into a fuller soundstage.

[@stevewithf5847]

Where is Atmos the winner ? With stickers on the markert ?

[@krupkake1]

@@stopthefomo I agree there is a huge discrepancy between Atmos mixes, regardless of content. I find that Apple TV+ content tends to be excellent. Check out See and Tiny World. I'll have to try out your suggestion with using Auro if I can.

[@krupkake1]

@@stevewithf5847 Basically, yeah. It's the Betamax vs VCR, Blu-ray vs HD-DVD, thing all over again. Atmos is everywhere now, and I don't see that changing anytime soon. Do you?

[@stevewithf5847]

@@krupkake1 I don‘t thing so. Atmos is often a marketing think. There is many silence in the Atmos area and the Upmixer is not adjustable and less of atmosphere.

[@georgestephens2038]

Dolby atmos, dtx, Auro 3d is too expensive to operate , you have all the right components to make it work, most people just will by a soundbar

[@lucano57]

come on man

[@PIPERBOYWILLIAMS]

Auro 3d doesn't sound that good to bother with all the extra cost of placement

[@renesonse5794]

I'm curious how many of FOMO's viewers can afford a $2k+ receiver, plus the extra speakers for Auro. Unless you're flush, I can't see spending that kind of money on what is probably not all that much better sound for occasional helicopters and explosions. For me personally, this is like strolling a Lamborghini dealership.

[@stopthefomo]

It's all about Auromatic my friend. It does an excellent job realistically (not over doing it because it's adjustable) taking basic 2.1 or 5.1 and raising it to 5.1.4 so the effect is not "occasional" but all the time. Once you experience it, you will feel it missing as you can apply this to regular TV programming. That's why I believe in it - but you're right, not cheap. The lowest priced AVR with Auromatic/Auro3D is the Denon 4700H for $1800 but as it's always sold out, people are apparently paying the premium. Remember my viewers are arguing over whether a $2,500 QNED is better than a $4,000 OLED so adding another $2,000 to improve their sound is about right.

[@mchambliss2]

Hearing is believing. It's well worth the price. Speakers can't shine if you don't have a good receiver. Think of it this way, a receiver is the heart of your home theater, if the speakers don't get enough power, then the speakers will sound terrible or, worse, damage speakers. If you’re able to buy a good receiver, they will last 5+ years.

[@thetrumanshow4791]

I've had 5.1 surround sound for 20 years. No need for more channels. 5.1 is actually over-kill. Instead of adding more speakers, you should do what I did and increase the "quality" of your speakers. You will be grateful you did. I've heard 11.2.4 systems and must say, NOT impressed. Anything more than 5.1 is a gimmick and waste of money. I went from $60 Sony speakers back in 1992 all the way up to $7,000 KEF speakers today. The difference in sound quality cannot even be described in mortal words.

[@arnelcomia2060]

No atmos have big dif.if the tools is there.

[@CrashCarson14]

@@arnelcomia2060 yeah it’s all in the mixing ability. Sure 5.1 can sound good but also more channels can fake having better speakers. So better speakers, more channels can be best of both.

[@gregt5530]

I tend to agree. It might be different in a massive commercial theater, but at home it's just a gimmick to sell more stuff. Upgrading the quality of your speakers/subwoofer would be money better spent.

[@MrMiskut]

Nah dude.. nahhh

[@DCMedien]

You should listen to a good 3d sound movie, with good equipment. It makes a HUGE difference.

[@hornedlobster]

A minimum of 9 speakers? Give me a break this guy is a fucking joke. Keep the integrity of your channel and take this shit down.