ONE Spin of this GIANT Wind Turbine Powers a Home for Two Days!!

[@snecklifter]

This is one of my favourite FC episodes in recent memory. Helen is a rare combination of great presenter and brilliant mind and she oozes positivity and enthusiasm. From the opening shot of the turbine to Roberts excellent footnote, wonderful. Others might enjoy the car stuff but this is what I love. Thank you.

[@jimmyryan5880]

The car stuff is ok but Im here for stuff like this!

[@davidsamways]

Yes, more of this.

[@tomfox2343]

Agreed!

[@Muppetkeeper]

Me too. Cars can save some CO2, but in reality, solar, batteries and heat pumps each do much more with much less materials.

[@andrewhiggins8873]

@@Muppetkeeper yes this is the reality at the moment

[@maickelwand9100]

Agree with you

[@tymanot]

More of this please. Car reviews can be found everywhere but other topics like this one are hard to find.

[@CozyAlgorithmCave]

and sadly too much on this topic on youtube etc. is full of misinformation and fud campaigns :(

[@RoadRashSpirit]

Absoluteley, I started watching fully charged because of Robert visiting Brit wind and looking at other technologys. Early on they did a pole that I think was 50/50 cars vs technology, the channel then heavily went into cars. I did watch a fair bit of it but to be honest in the last 2 years Ive stopped watching most of the episodes and only tune in if something like this video pops up or Rob has one of his rant..ehem news videos... but I bet ive missed half off them these days with the algoryth and such. I think its great that EV's are becoming more numerous but theres only so many videos of cars you will never afford that you want to watch.

[@markfla]

@@RoadRashSpirit Just have a Think.... another great youtube channel covers this kind of stuff.

[@RoadRashSpirit]

@@markfla funnily enough that's became my regular channel a long time back. There's 2 other channels hosted by Americans matt farrel and Joe something lol

[@88njtrigg88]

@@CozyAlgorithmCave Exactly & agreed. How much energy did it take the manufacture/produce and what is the designed life ? That way l can calculate efficiency.

[@Dudleymiddleton]

Yes, considering your footnote, Robert, Helen is an incredibly professional presenter, on a par with the best out there in the mainstream media, backed up with a lot of scientific knowledge. She is an absolute gem! Your other presenters are great, too! :)

[@IanKath]

Her style reminds me of the brilliant Prof Brian Cox.

[@toyotaprius79]

Seconded

[@Syncronizeification]

That's because she is a "professional presenter" she presented loads of science shows on bbc

[@sadiqmohamed681]

@@Syncronizeification She's also a real physicist who teaches at UCL and does research in climate science. She started presenting at the BBC on "Horizon".

[@SWR112]

@@IanKath just with less travel than Brian 😂

[@shhhyouknowhoo3753]

Just had to briefly pause halfway through to comment. On a really really crap news day, this is just so welcome & wonderful. Brilliantly explained, endlessly positive, totally uplifting, gorgeous to look at. Thanks all!

[@fullychargedshow]

Thank you, that is so wonderful to hear, makes all the effort worthwhile

[@richardlangley90]

What an awesome comment...and so true with regard to current news.

[@trevorvanbremen4718]

Endlessly positive??? I thought these wind turbines generated AC so it's only positive 1/2 the time!

[@RussellFineArt]

Thank you, Fully Charged, for covering wind generation!! SO many people are talking EV's, which is great and all, but very few cover wind power and how it's growing and developing and impacting our energy generation. The Haliade is an AMAZING machine!!

[@johndoh5182]

Which, to power all those BEVs you need a lot more electricity. So, the scale is quite large, but it's certainly feasible.

[@DeepfryX]

I work in the offshore wind industry and this is an excellent video. It describes the challenges and opportunities for offshore wind really well. People definitely don't realise how big the next generation of wind turbines are.

[@dpranjko]

Hi colleague! Where and for whom are you working? Greetings from GE onshore 😉

[@futureof...]

Incredible engineering, incredible production values.

[@88njtrigg88]

How much energy did it take the manufacture/produce, what is the designed life ? That way l can calculate efficiency.

[@jjhbhd520]

@@88njtrigg88 Turbines have an energy and carbon payback time of approximately 6 months.

[@Boukevx]

An amazing feel when one of your favorite youtube channels actually features a project that I am proud to have been a part of. Amazing project by GE, SIF and Pondera.

[@dalroth10]

What a fascinating and brilliantly presented video on an extremely important subject. Fantastic production quality and Helen Czerski presents it in a very knowledgeable and professional way. The scale of the latest generation Haliade offshore wind turbines is truly awesome and it's great to see the UK Government having committed to developing this vitally important source of energy generation. I was also struck by the way in which it is expected that power generated by offshore wind farms will be linked up as far as possible to take advantage of moving weather systems. A world where energy received by the whole planet can be shared. A very far cry from the truly awful news today from Ukraine.

[@marksims5730]

I agree with everything you have said and the only thing I can add to this is... they talked a lot about the UK experience and the UK is leading the world in this area, but how many UK companies are actually installing these amazing machines in the North Sea ?

[@vintage0x]

whoever chose the music (and of course whoever composed it) did a really great job. goosebumps!

[@jools2323]

With what's happening today, we need this stuff ASAP.

[@Robert-cu9bm]

The problem is, because we are shifting to renewables we are more reliant on Putin's gas. You need to has turbines to supplement renewables We need nuclear and fracking.

[@alunrees313]

Well have it on your doorstep not ours

[@alunrees313]

@@joim3480 there you have it , wind will never replace fossil fuels, you said it, China is building 13 coal fuelled energy plants, my mountains and landscape and historical sites have been destroyed for me and my grandchildren , they should go out at sea

[@baronvonlimbourgh1716]

Things are happening incredibly quickly. Both deployment and technological development.

[@traianima]

two words: nuclear energy

[@BitBanger41]

Seriously excellent! The production value of this is phenomenal. Hard to believe there would come a time where content produced on a "free website"" would rival that of anything put on commercial television. Well done!

[@hughmarcus1]

This isn’t ‘free’ fully charged plus is in effect, advertorial. The companies who appear on it are there to plug their wares or do a bit of corporate PR. If you notice the line of questioning is always very soft. No doubt the scripts are agreed in advance. Helen being allowed up on that platform with a large scarf is a case in point too. These places are normally very strict on PPE & that includes clothing. There’s no way a normal visitor to the site would have been permitted to wear that.

[@emily36130]

The most insane fact is that this isn't even the largest turbine in the world. The largest one is the SG 14-222 with 222 m diameter, and soon there will be a 236 m turbine.

[@unbelieveXP]

don't forget MySE 16.0-242 with 242m diameter

[@iain3713]

It’s developing incredibly quickly

[@DanielAlbrechtsen]

and the new 15MW vesta allso

[@noahbody9782]

Of course no one ever talks about the carbon footprint resulting from the construction, maintenance and transmission infrastructure of these systems. And that it will all need to to be disposed of and rebuilt after 30 years. Not to mention the environmental damage these vast arrays do to costal sea life. As long as the gaping ignorant see spinning blades in the wind they will be happy.

[@iain3713]

@@noahbody9782 of course people do talk about it, and there is a standardised measure for measuring the environmental impact of such projects. Wind turbines will payback the carbon needed to manufacture them in typically less than a year (of course this depends on what sort of grid you're adding them to and how they were manufactured).

[@aaronstone4360]

I work at Vestas and have just come back from Denmark after looking at our new V236. Very proud to be part of this industry for the last 8 years where I've supported the V164 show in this video grow from the 6MW prototype to the first 10MW offshore turbine.

[@matambale]

More reports on geothermal energy would be most welcome (nothing against wind).

[@RichardOzanne]

I thought she would have taken the stairs up - it's only 492 feet after all. Seriously, what an amazing and huge turbine. We need these in bucket loads and soon! Great show as always. Keep up the good work.

[@Ben-oy1td]

I think wind turbines are gorgeous ! Love to see more of them

[@Robert-cu9bm]

Not me, they ruin the natural beauty of the landscape.

[@baronvonlimbourgh1716]

Awesome examples of human capability.

[@thewisefool4049]

Great stuff. Ireland's been running off >75% wind over the last week and we only have 1 offshore farm. Hoping we scale up massively and interconnect more of our grid. There is a lot of low hanging fruit that is there for the taking.

[@SteveAkaDarktimes]

whats incredible is that 107m long blade is a not an assembly. its a single piece of composite material. constantly exposed to salty ocean air, storms, ice and wind tearing at it. the challenges of building something like this are pushing composite material science forward rapidly.

[@dr-k1667]

This is the type of story that in these times, considering the emerging conflict in Europe that we must ALL PUSH FOR ENERGY INDEPENDENCE so that we can take out the need, desire, profit, loss and destruction that armed conflict costs us as a society. The sun and wind touches each nation and principality. Wave, Solar, Wind, are abundant and the ability to borrow their strength in order for us to be safe, warm, productive and happy is at our fingertips. I hope more INVESTMENT AND RESEARCH will go into all the ways we can responsibly harness and work in concert with nature because abundance is the natural way of nature. Thanks for continuing to bring stories like this Fully Charged Team. I remember when it was just Robert! This show continues to be a source of uplifting news, when I need it the most.

[@ivveG]

Great episode, great presenter, super positive news that UK plans for 40 GW of off-shore wind. Amazing!

[@jonathantaylor1998]

What a stunningly beautiful piece of mega-engineering. And what a beautifully stunning video - in fact, as a person not keen on heights, I actually felt a little queasy just watching it on-screen...! 😳

[@GreatCreative]

In a world seemingly rife with turmoil and indecision, just listening to Dr. Czerski's optimism and enthusiasm is not only entertaining, but comforting. She brought a sense of hope to the conversation when she wrapped up her presentation by stating it "seems like a solvable challenge".

[@Muppetkeeper]

In a increasingly crap world, stuff like this cheers me up and gives me hope. Thanks. Now let’s see Uncle Roberts heat pump, and I can die happy.

[@alstonsmith5515]

This is incredible top to bottom. The technology, the presentation, and the education on the technology. Awe inspiring stuff and very encouraging. Thank you Fully Charged. Thank you Helen. Thank you GE Renewable Energy.

[@slash196]

People who complain about wind turbines being ugly...I just have no words. Majestic, elegant, gorgeous testaments to human ingenuity. Also, Helen doesn't get NEARLY enough of these. She's brilliant.

[@Robert-cu9bm]

Natural beauty is better

[@oootoob]

We really need to massively scale up the storage side of the equation now

[@PerErikKarlsson]

Wonder if there could be any financial reason to but batteries strait in the wind turbines. Smooth out the generation from the individual windmill so you can have smaller cables going from it.

[@oootoob]

There are plenty of tech options that have been tested at scale, not just batteries, including things like liquified air, thermal storage, pumped hydro etc. The bigger problem is getting investment and facilitating the permitting and regulatory/ contractual environment to make it happen quicker - the UK is bogged down in red tape that inhibits a lot of progress.

[@cyrusp100]

Storage is not technically feasible right now to scale up to grid level. We'd get a much bigger bang for the buck by building interconnectors and eventually a global grid.

[@vincentrobinette1507]

I agree 100%. Wind and solar are pretty well developed, and, among the least expensive generators out there. The technology is actually quite mature. What needs to happen, is to get the cost of electrical energy storage down to a point, that when combined with wind and solar, renewables as a whole, can compete with the cheapest fossil generated electricity. No matter how good the equipment, the wind doesn't always blow, and obviously, solar panels don't generate at night. Without energy storage, intermittent renewable sources cannot exceed ~20% total grid capacity, without causing fluctuations that could cause instability in the grid. Grid scale electrical energy storage is an absolute must, for a 100% renewable sourced grid.

[@UCCLdIk6R5ECGtaGm7oqO-TQ]

EVs and an appropriate inter-connect standard. There's a potentially massive storage system.

[@eaaeeeea]

The scale of that thing is absolutely bonkers! I also found big wind turbines beautiful when I traveled past a wind farm on a train. Something majestic in their relatively slow looking movement.

[@Mc_Blee]

It amazes me that the bbc hasn’t snapped up this show and team. Better and more informative than anything on tv

[@eemsg]

The platform on top of that thing is big enough to build a small house. Having a hidden home on top of an off-shore turbine would be very Bond villain. Enough energy to power thousands of homes, or enough energy to power one home and an unstoppable super laser?

[@fullychargedshow]

That may be the very best comment we've ever had on KZbin.

[@Gazer75]

Hope you like using earplugs or muffs all day :P Wind turbines are not silent at all during operation.

[@eemsg]

@@Gazer75 I'm certain that any Bond villain who has the engineering resources to build an unstoppable superlaser could also figure out sound dampening.

[@Firstmanphotography]

I would love to see these infrastructure topics covered more often. Particularly would love your take on base load and where it's going to come from for the next 10-20 years. Germany currently highlighting how huge intermittent renewable supply is still very reliant on gas turbine base load and can quickly cause problems if the gas supply is halted.

[@danthevan1451]

I'm an electrician in the UK. One thing all sparks in the UK are saying is Where's the baseload gonna come from? Coz when it's REALLY cold the wind doesn't blow. A few years from now we're gonna wish we didn't close all the coal plants.

[@Tobias-ld2pv]

Baseload is an increasingly obsolescent concept

[@danthevan1451]

@@Tobias-ld2pv No its not, and as more and more people get EVs the demand on the grid will grow and the minimum amount of electricity needed to prevent load shedding will be more. Unless every house / flat / office / factory has its own photovoltaic or wind generation with battery storage that can sustain itself in all weather's then baseload will always be a thing.

[@masterbarnard]

​@@Tobias-ld2pv in some sense yes, but supply still needs to meet demand, even with demand side response and time of use tariffs etc. Having reliable and dispatchable generation is essential for grid stability. I think what was meant is that renewables require other types of generation like CCGT to fill the gaps during periods of low wind and overcast skies. As was said in the video, an energy mix is key.

[@baronvonlimbourgh1716]

@@danthevan1451 that exactly is going to be a big part of the future. Both are becomming increasingly cheap and everyone who can will provide at least partly in their own energy needs. Both business and private. It's all about economics.

[@peterbrook6866]

Fantastic. Really appreciate Helen's presenting approach. More of this please.

[@FredPauling]

Fully charged just reached the next level of quality content. Love this video. Robert miming at the end was an unexpected bonus.

[@klaxoncow]

I'm a little disappointed that Robert didn't do the "walking against a strong wind" mime. It's a classic that would have matched the video's topic, and we've all seen the "trapped in an invisible box" one too many times already.

[@thankyouforyourcompliance7386]

The world is crazy. It is a relief that there are still people like Helen around who do the right stuff

[@edwin-1348]

These kind of videos are truly fascinating!

[@edmcdonagh978]

Great episode, really interesting, and love having Helen presenting them. You know you're going to get science and facts, presented in a really accessible way. I wonder what the lifetime costs of the Dogger Bank wind farm will be compared to the new nuclear...

[@marksims5730]

From the wind point of view, the slated lifetime is 30 years, then all the infrastructure can be removed completly from the sea bed.

[@CharlesHaworth]

A good proxy answer is the electricity price which was requested to support the projects. Doggerbank ~40£/MWh and Hinkley point 90£/MWh.. more than double

[@NiklasAuinger]

Gotta love offshore wind 🌬

[@rogermckenzie2711]

I always love Helen's presentations, such a delight!

[@andrewfowler8265]

Great presentation- my only comment is that the wind doesn't push on the blade to make it turn (like a windmill)- rather the wind flowing past creates lift (like an aeroplane wing) which makes the blades turn - which is alot more effective.

[@Robert-cu9bm]

It actually does both. Lift is created by pushing on the blade and the low pressure. Same with planes That's why the blade can pivot depending on the wind speed.

[@CoolAsFreya]

I wanna hear what it sounds like when spinning! I've been around much smaller on-shore turbines and they're not quiet, so I can only imagine how loud a massive off-shore turbine would be!

[@undead890]

They can be pretty loud, but because they are offshore, it's not too distracting.

[@aaronsmith5433]

" says you! " - Moby Dick

[@simon7790]

Excellent presentation, content, and production. Really good to see!

[@stjepangorera941]

Great video about energy. Pozdrav iz Hrvatske 🇪🇺🇭🇷🌍🌎🌏😄😁🤪❤🦋🐉🦕🐋🐠🐘🦙🐄🦚🐒🌺🍁

[@_-martin-_]

Come to Denmark, the birthplace of modern Windmill technology, and see Vestas 15MW windmill!

[@stevewhite791]

Love it. Wind makes so much sense. Really enjoy your presentations.

[@richard8031]

Bird blenders..!!!!

[@richardnedbalek1968]

Kudos to Helen for taking us to the top of this ginormous wind turbine! Impressive!

[@insAneTunA]

Imagine 400 meter diameter turbines. Not everything in Texas is the biggest. So I want to friendly challenge the people in Texas to build an even bigger one😉 Big thumbs up for this episode 👍

[@akyhne]

GE is an American company...

[@ALMX5DP]

@@akyhne what does that have to do with Texas?

[@alanmay7929]

@@ALMX5DP GE is an American company end of story!

[@ALMX5DP]

@@alanmay7929 is it a Texas company?

[@akyhne]

@@ALMX5DP Just as little as to say the Texans should build bigger.

[@notenrique666]

WHOA! That turbine is HUGE! I see it’s got a GE logo on the side too!

[@John.0z]

The aerodynamics of those blades is worth a show! Unfortunately I am sure the GE would not want to talk about them in detail, just as they would not want to talk about the generator itself in detail.

[@pinkelephants1421]

Fabulous. Helen was so excited on top of the turbine, I half expected to see her start bouncing up and down, producing enough kinetic energy of her own to compete with that of the turbine itself. 😁😋

[@dfishpool7052]

An excellent informative presentation - well done Helen and thank you - you're very brave to go to the top of the turbine - I wouldn't be able to do that - scared of heights!!!

[@peterlittlejohn8933]

I was getting giddy sitting in my chair. I prefer good old Terra Firma (ground level).... More Firma, Less Terra!

[@ChrisMacG060]

Great episode. A difficult subject for most of us but just so well explained by the brilliant Helen. Thanks so much and just keep these really interesting/fascinating subjects/topics coming.

[@terencereeder9830]

When it's Helen you know it's going to be a great episode!!

[@SequoiaElisabeth]

Excellent production! Thanks for all you do.

[@dylankeppler3542]

I love this. I also love the car review stuff but I would love to see way more of this stuff, maybe even a separate channel, one for EVs and one for renewable energy. Love it!

[@davetester100]

Been a follower of the Channel for many years and we used to get a lot of unique like this. Unfortunately, more recently it’s turned into a boring blokes car show that is just competing with others. Can we have more of this kind of content please as buying an EV won’t save the planet

[@kuriakos]

Do the blades have to be replaced periodically like with the smaller ones? If so, what is the plan for dealing with that waste.

[@chazzyb8660]

There was a very smug woman on Radio 4's Question Time the other evening saying wind was a no hope-er because the wind didn't blow on one day last year. I hope she is watching this. Great news.

[@MrQwerty3000]

Great to see wind turbines evolving into being a real part of the transition to sustainable energy. But, anyone else find the comments here focus too much on a review of the presenter rather than the presentation :)

[@itekani]

When you talk of amount of energy needed for a house, how much is that? Because that varies greatly if you for instance heat with electricity or gas...

[@ArneVanhove]

The closing dialogue of this episode started with "the thing that struck me today...." : Well, I hope it wasn't one of those blades 😅

[@markiliff]

1:20 Huge thumbs-up for that drone shot with tiny Helen on the platform for scale

[@thinktoomuchb4028]

Would love to see you do a piece on Exergyn's shape memory alloy technology. Thanks for this one!

[@Alex-tj1zo]

Thank you so much Helen 🙂

[@filipg9950]

Great, great episode. Very interesting. Energy harvesting topics is such a vast area. Colosal structure.

[@georgedaville4662]

Brilliant video, simple explanations to relate to the scale of this wind turbine. As a retired CivilEngineer, I love these technical videos about large scale infrastructure. I would be interested in the design life and planned maintenance of these turbines to ensure longevity. 👍

[@garethedwards2883]

Helen is very clever which comes across in her presentations therefore making them interesting good to watch

[@eamonstack4139]

Excellent and beautiful presentation. This is wind-power at the scale for out time - our mostly clean power. Thanks

[@afz902k]

How are the maintenance and upkeep costs for these? I heard a lot of arguments against wind turbines related to that

[@fullychargedshow]

It's a perfectly reasonable question but I have to say before I explain what I know, there are huge, wealthy and now very anxious vested interests ranged against this kind of technology, massive corporations and indeed nations (Russia) that hire large dedicated teams of lobbyists and PR firms to spread as much fear, uncertainty and doubt as possible. Interestingly these same teams don't advertise the fact that gas, coal and nuclear generation systems all need massive levels of maintenance taking any individual plant off line sometimes for many months, at costs of many millions, that are passed on to use, the suckers that pay for electricity. So maintenance costs are hugel reduced per kilowatt hour generated in comparison to coal, oil, gas or nuclear. I do't have figures to hand but I will find some and do an update.

[@richiecow7877]

When you see them in the distance you really don’t get a grasp of just how big they are. Absolutely fascinating

[@drewcipher896]

Helen always hosts the coolest videos!

[@philipmelling]

Fascinating. Excellent video. Helen is your best presenter - and you have a few! Thanks to GE for sharing too.

[@hooloovooloo]

Love Helen’s enthusiasm. 😊

[@sktaylor99]

What an impressive report. There is definitely a future for wind power in the UK

[@AndySnap]

What a fabulous story of amazing technology, presented by the lovely Helen too, winner winner. Superbly filmed too. I get the gut feeling I'm really looking at the future with these huge and elegant windmills of electricity, as the way everything will be powered, post and/or replacing fossil fuels. And such beautiful structures, almost calming to see...

[@Pottery4Life]

Helen is a wonderful interviewer/presenter. Please visit a wind turbine that you can film and discuss all the components of of the nacelle. Thank you.

[@PoeticJusticeSC]

This was a great video. Informative and entertaining. Even the comments section was a refreshingly passive read.

[@benbocc1549]

Absolutely amazing! Great production also

[@kiwiskiz]

There isn't a big enough 'Like' button for this. Brilliant.

[@WolfClinton1]

Thanks Helen, you put across the scale of this so well.

[@tiaretsnyheter6026]

"The wind speed goes higher as it goes higher". I love the precision language of an engineer.

[@calebracey]

Thanks for that, great presentation and has made me feel all optimistic

[@timberthewolf733]

This was just beautiful, almost like a short film.

[@strobi0001]

10:00 What gearbox do you find in a direct drive wind turbine?

[@LouieGrind]

I f-ing love wind turbines! They look and feel so Sci-Fi!

[@PAD058]

Well done Helen. Great episode

[@mattdavies3023]

You guys mentioned the first wind turbines in the uk being 1991 in the video but I remember doing a project in school in 1989 on the wind turbines stationed down near Pembrey. Fascinated me ever since - amazing how much they have changed in that 30 year period. 👍

[@QALibrary]

Are you going to film the China wind turbine which is meant to be 16 MW?

[@adrianus13]

Echoing everyone else. SO much more of these kinds of videos, please. I almost wish the car reviews were their own channel. Also, Robert's bit at the end only has righ-channel audio

[@RyanEmmett]

Brilliant video. Stunning visuals, excellently presented.

[@knowledgebyte]

Great episode. Thanks Helen for bringing home the massive scale of these wind turbines. Do you know how Scotlands tidal projects are coming on? And are there any other cave or well based water generator’s kicking off in the UK?

[@pjaclarke]

This is excellent. Thanks for creating quality content like this - a real inspiration

[@georgegeorgiy3516]

This are some great news. Thank you.

[@RichardBuckMovies]

Great stuff - more from Helen please! 😁👍

[@judebrown4103]

I'd like to know how floating wind generation will work. At the moment I have a vision of multiple turbines floating on the back of a giant turtle 🐢 but maybe that's because I'm reading Pratchett at the mo. 😂

[@baronvonlimbourgh1716]

I guess similar to ofshore drilling platforms.

[@RA-uj3nm]

Outstanding info & presentation.

[@v795619]

Brilliant video, well presented, well shot and left me feeling hopeful for the future, thank you. I cannot wait for the all electric clean future and the UK being way more self sufficient with power.

[@andyroid7339]

I agree - an all electric clean future, but "self-sufficiency" of sorts will only be achievable through interconnection with Ireland, Europe and possibly N. Africa. We sell the electricity when we're making it and buy it when we're not. This will be more practicable than a lot of battery storage.

[@Robert-cu9bm]

Need to frack so as not to be reliant on other countries gas. It's a cleaner future not a clean future.

[@YPO6]

4:15 are those wind turbines still in use?

[@michelepinato1158]

Amazing episode, Helen is just great!

[@sandycheeks7865]

What a brilliant, brilliant inspiring video. Everytime someone tells me renewables "won't work" I wish they could open their mind to these ideas....