One Was Not Enough! | Meet Maverick |

For years we've been considering dogs to help get predators off the farm, so the livestock can be more secure. We finally made the leap with Sasha and then figured she just couldn't do all of this by herself. So....
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[@WashoeValleyCollies]

Oh happy days for both of your pups! Just remember this rule...the human must ALWAYS be the PACK LEADER! make sure they get separate lessons from you to maintain your pack leader position. Sometimes pups will grow up ignoring you because this never was taught to them!

[@EdgeofNowhereFarm]

Thank you for the notes on this. We've been keeping them together for these first few weeks, but I can already see how separate training is going to be needed and this totally makes sense.

[@WashoeValleyCollies]

And I LOVE my turkeys! They are way more fun than chickens who are nervous. And wow isn't it stunning when the males start strutting? Magnificent birds!

[@EdgeofNowhereFarm]

@@WashoeValleyCollies yes they are. Ours are about to molt, so they're a little rough around the edges, but still impressive to watch!

[@Nicole-fv1fk]

Awesome ❤ Maverick and Sasha are going to be amazing partners on the Edge of Nowhere. Congratulations 🎉

[@EdgeofNowhereFarm]

They're getting along well, so hopefully that will translate to working well together also!!

[@bijou737]

Look into crate training for Maverick. I've heard, but have never done this type of training, that a dog won't poop&pee in a smaller space. Then when you take them out, you immediately bring them outside to relieve themselves. This would entail him sleeping overnight in the crate and in the a.m. you bring him outside to relieve himself; but I do not know about other times, other than nighttime, when he should be put in the crate for this type of training.

[@EdgeofNowhereFarm]

That's a great suggestion and we may have to do that. Eventually they won't be kept in this kennel for longer than maybe a few hours when we have large groups on the farm, but cleaning out the poop is getting pretty old quick!

[@JS-px3et]

It does work ... just be consistant. And it must be much smaller than what you've built (barely big enough for him to turn around).

[@ProPetEnrichment]

@@EdgeofNowhereFarm Kennel training is great for emergency preparedness and transportation, as well. It's a good idea to have them trained for it even if you won't be crating them often once Maverick stops pooping his crate. If you haven't looked into positive reinforcement and operant conditioning yet, there are some fabulous trainers on KZbin here who explain it well. Personally my favorite is @kikopup. Best of luck with your pups!

[@dawnjackson6741]

I crate trained my dog it woks! In fact, I was his retreat or space. End he never had an aide t in the crate. If the crate was open in the day time when was young he sometimes relieved himself but even then it was not in the crate, .

[@EdgeofNowhereFarm]

@@dawnjackson6741 based on the suggestions here we started last night on the smaller crate, so fingers crossed it will work. It's all temporary as they'll eventually roam the property, but for now it's a mess!!

[@dianaj3139]

Praise them when they do a good job! A few treats go a long way, but too many do NOT! The Kennel has its ups and downs. my daughter worked for a Show-dog owner and breeder... I learned a little from watching them. several dogs were very well trained for always heading to the Potty corner, they use this special washable material that they can go on... hmmm... there are lots of materials on this topic... BEST wishes on the new additions... Dogs are amazing!!

[@EdgeofNowhereFarm]

We seem to be getting things a little under control with the suggestions here. Smaller kennels have taken care of the potty in the enclosure and we're working on a combination of praise and treats. That seems to be specific to the dog even as Sasha is VERY food focused and Maverick doesn't really seem to care about the treat half the time! Either way, we love having them here with us!

[@Maria-ql3fc]

When your LGD's get old enough to patrol the property put spike collars on them so their necks are protected as that's where the coyotes would go for. A Terrier was bred for hunting rats and mice, there's a YT video showing them at work but I don't remember the name, just do a YT search of rat dogs. It's amazing how fast they are at dispatching rats.

[@EdgeofNowhereFarm]

Great suggestions here. We are considering a terrier for that smaller dog. They're fearless little guys and with the larger dogs here to help fend off predators they would be able to roam the property and hunt at will!

[@FourthWayRanch]

I wonder if spikes work for cats? Get a donkey, they hate coyotes

[@Maria-ql3fc]

@@FourthWayRanch that is true, but they can be very stubborn and even consider you a threat if you don't raise them from weanlings.

[@FourthWayRanch]

@@Maria-ql3fc even if you give them treats? I want to get a couple but they are hard to find and transport.

[@Maria-ql3fc]

@@FourthWayRanch if they are hand raised they should be friendly and always come for treats, just be careful when you go to buy see if they come to the owner and want scratches and rubs. If they do then they should be people friendly.

[@shellyB3nton]

Hello! Totally think i would get a separate kennel for Maverick, he needs fo me kennel trained. A small kennel to keep him in at the veey least at night. Small space, he wont go to the bathroom where he sleeps. Once he gets this down then they could be back together. For training its important to be separated also, as a comment above. At least for the initial basics. Good luck, beautiful babies.

[@EdgeofNowhereFarm]

Thanks for the notes. We have a kennel that would work to keep him separate, so I think we'll have to give that a shot at night!

[@taylorvanbuskirk8040]

It always cracks me up...the ducks and geese come FLYING out of their cage, but the turkey's S L O W L Y come out magestically and full of themselves. LOL!

[@EdgeofNowhereFarm]

That really is a good description of those turkeys. It's like they know there is no chance they'll be up for dinner around here!

[@WashoeValleyCollies]

They know they are the Regal Birds!

[@taylorvanbuskirk8040]

@@EdgeofNowhereFarm LOL!

[@mnj5089]

As someone who has owned LGD breeds for about 15 years, I'd strongly suggest you crate train both of them and feed them separately. Once adult brain kicks in, they are prone to resource guarding. Also if you ever had a vet emergency, if the crate is restful and not stressful that is incredibly helpful. These breeds are bred to work away from the shepherds so they are not bred to be obedient though it doesn't hurt to work on it. You already got two of the more challenging of these breeds and both have puppy brain. A lot will change as they mature. You got the two highest prone to roaming and fence jumping you could have possibly picked. They are slow maturing and won't get more adult thinking until 18- 24 months. I don't think you should add any other dog right now but that's just my opinion. These two seem easy now because they are babies. Teenagers are much, much more challenging. I don't even add two same age LGD on my property. As to kennel training I would get the largest crate you can find but he needs a much smaller area to start with that can be completely cleaned to rid any smell and then consider dividing the pen and gradually give him more space as he keeps his area clean. And rather than having to do very frequent outs, just be super consistent on a schedule until he gets the idea. You can gradually increase the time between outs but he will probably need outs about every 3 hours to start with. Teach both now before it is too late to eat in their own separate area that belongs just to them and do not ever leave food down that they don't finish. Its fine until it isn't. Remember they were bred to guard resources so that is what they will do and it often lends itself to food as well. Find the American Akbash Association on KZbin - a lot still applies to your dogs and they have a lot of correct history you might like as well.

[@EdgeofNowhereFarm]

Thank you for all the notes. We're still learning, so this definitely helps!

[@mnj5089]

@@EdgeofNowhereFarm The E collar is your friend. LOL. They seem to all be naughtier at around 8-12 mos as far as wanting to chase livestock etc and the birds are harder because they will guard against flying predators so you have to teach them the birds are not that. So we use the alarm first and then vibrate. They learn quickly with this. You can find me through MnJ Poodles if I can help in any way. Once they hit about 2 they are magic to watch them work.

[@EdgeofNowhereFarm]

@@mnj5089 we did get an e collar with the vibrate and/our sound feature that we plan on using. Sasha's breeder suggested it for snake and toad avoidance training. Now to buckle down and get through the next year and half! Thank you for the advice and willingness to share your experience.

[@mnj5089]

@@EdgeofNowhereFarm love your channel and watch every episode!

[@janetspiritofthelivinggod6328]

Great info. We have two Salukis and the same can be said for them. One is a rescue who was never created trained and I tried with the puppy but hubs wasn't doing the all nighters with the crying so now we have three of us in the bed on occasion. Fortunately as he's grown bigger he'd rather take a spare couch or bedroom as the older girl does by herself upstairs. They are fed 10 feet apart facing opposite ways and if any desirable food or toy is left in the middle of the room it gets very weird and tense till we remove it. Sometimes fireworks fly tho they get along fine all other times.

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[@EdgeofNowhereFarm]

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[@kevincharles112]

If you recall, I brought my dog by once and her breed is very nose driven. She's a Brittany. I met a farmer in Utah that a male who rode on his farm tractor all day and if a ground squirrel popped up, the dog would jump off the tractor in motion and chase it down. Just another option for you. I'll send a pic.

[@EdgeofNowhereFarm]

Hey Kevin. Thanks for the suggestion here. This is not one we had considered!

[@juneramirez8580]

I am so happy you have another LGD. You have a big property. Too much for only one dog. Safety in numbers. Coyotes don't always travel alone.

[@EdgeofNowhereFarm]

Yes, that's exactly why we have Maverick to compliment Sasha. Honestly, I don't know that we'll stop at 2 when it's all said and done.

[@Pamsgarden213]

Beautiful!

[@EdgeofNowhereFarm]

Isn't he though!! ❤️❤️

[@moniquewright312]

Staffordshire Bull Terrier!

[@EdgeofNowhereFarm]

Those are cool looking dogs!!!

[@lifgrenj]

Crate training works, they don't like to soil their crate. Otherwise, a pen with a dirt floor, like a dog tractor. Pretty sure these will work.

[@EdgeofNowhereFarm]

I get the feeling that may be our best bet!

[@lorenbush8876]

Hey Dewayne, do your all in one almonds taste like pecans instead of almonds? I just wondered because that what mine tasted like this summer , I don't think it is because it wasn't ripe because I just picked it off the tree with no effort and the shell was all tried out and distorts and partly open. Thanks, congrats on the new dogs, I hope they do well for you guys.

[@EdgeofNowhereFarm]

It's been a few years since we've had an almond from one of our trees, but I remember it tasting like an almond. That being said, we're big fans of pecans, so I suppose it wouldn't be so bad we have the same experience!

[@lorenbush8876]

@@EdgeofNowhereFarm I like pecans too but I expected them to taste like almonds , they look like almonds.

[@slamboy66]

You know I'm going to say Minnie Jack after my late Jack Sparrow🐕🏴‍☠ for a ctitter gitter🐀

[@EdgeofNowhereFarm]

We were counting on that! I have to say, if we could find a Jack Russell that wasn't a fortune it would be the dog for sure.

[@slamboy66]

@@EdgeofNowhereFarm Got mine from the shelter for like $60

[@TheFeralFarmgirl]

The Anatolian shepherd I used to have (RIP) was great at hunting packrats. But she did eat them... But you probably want something smaller. 😆

[@EdgeofNowhereFarm]

Funny you should say this, Sasha has a tendency to eat pretty much everything in sight and she is already stopping to dig on some of the ground squirrel holes!

[@TheFeralFarmgirl]

@@EdgeofNowhereFarm Yup. My dog also ate pocket gophers and squirrels. She'd dig them up too.

[@snowbirdgardener]

Jack Russel or Rat Terriers for rodent control. To get dogs to poo outside their kennel, put some of their poo where you WANT them to go, and take them there often.

[@EdgeofNowhereFarm]

Thanks for the suggestions. We're thinking the same between those 2 dog breeds!

[@retrodog34_80]

Personally I would get a barn-and-stable breed, such as the multitasking Schnauzers which made their bones as ratters, herders, guardians, and hunters.

[@EdgeofNowhereFarm]

Great suggestion. I've read a bit on Schnauzers and they seem like a solid option!

[@katherinegray5466]

Our Schnauzers chase bunnies, and herd the goats and chickens. They're hyper allergenic so we can keep them inside too

[@johac7637]

Said it many times, Jack Russel, but dont get a rehome, a young pup, they may think cats are varmits. Have had enough of them to know that cats and JR are varmit getters.

[@EdgeofNowhereFarm]

Great suggestion here John and if we can find an economical JRT, that is definitely what we're leaning towards!

[@johac7637]

@@EdgeofNowhereFarm or look for a Parsons, same thing but a fad nigher, just a tad, but to big to register as a JR

[@cs7717]

I was going to say the same thing. Dachshunds are also good mousers.

[@armandoneri3607]

The dogs are easy dinners for the cougars and coyotes. Make sure you don't leave them out at night.

[@Maria-ql3fc]

Not so easy to take down a LGD. Most people put spike collars on them when they get old enough to patrol the property.

[@EdgeofNowhereFarm]

These dogs are specifically bred to defend farms from those predators. That's also why we have 2 of them, working as a team a pack of coyotes would not stand a chance.

[@EveeVQ]

We have a few Great Danes that need rehoming. They were born May 21st. We’re not too far from you guys if you’re interested. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@EdgeofNowhereFarm]

Great Danes are magnificent dogs, but we're looking for something just a tad bit smaller for the varmints around here. 😉

[@EveeVQ]

@@EdgeofNowhereFarm we also live in the middle of the desert outside of Phoenix. They free roam our land, though I’d mention it since we have 7 Danes currently 😂

[@darylpas2209]

Hi guys, looks like a couple of nice pups. What about 🐖🏠 name.

[@EdgeofNowhereFarm]

It was really close, but Winston's World won out!

[@SG-vu4qy]

#1 rat terriers

[@EdgeofNowhereFarm]

I think we've assumed this may be our best option, but we wanted to poll everyone to see if there were better options!

[@MarSchlosser]

Cage train Maverik. He won't go where he has to sleep. Put the cage in the kennel and him in it each night. Chihuahuas were bred as ratters for people in towns. Phoenix has a problem with packs of them roaming the streets terrorizing innocent garden-wrecking cats, rats, and snakes. God help anyone who hurts one of those demoniacs. Those old-times will break a cane on them. Best critter terminator is a mini dachshund. Minis were bred to wipe out rats and so on. A female should stick close to home, but all male dogs love to explore. Mexican Village Dogs (AKA perros callejeros) are used for this, as well, something they passed on to Chihuahuas which as a min breed of them. Unlike xolo, the Villager is people oriented. But, as well, feral ones are the major cause of dog attacks from the US southwest to southern S. America. Last night, about 3:25 AM I heard a bump and woke up. Then Termite decided to attack. All I saw was a tall man's shadow outside the window. I yelled it was OK, Termite really only very playful. I guess he didn't think that was funny because he ran away. niio, kids!

[@EdgeofNowhereFarm]

Thank you for all the suggestions here Martin. Anything that tears up small critters is on the list at this point!

[@slamboy66]

How did you dispatch the chick⁉🤔

[@EdgeofNowhereFarm]

You remember that scene in dumb and dumber? 😉

[@slamboy66]

@@EdgeofNowhereFarm Oh my🤣

[@slamboy66]

@@EdgeofNowhereFarm His head fell off

[@EdgeofNowhereFarm]

@@slamboy66 bingo!

[@Jadentheman]

I think the terrier breeds go after rodents. Doxies as well.

[@EdgeofNowhereFarm]

We've been leaning towards a terrier of some sort. Jack Russel or Rat Terrier maybe.

[@gordybishop2375]

Skipper Key?

[@EdgeofNowhereFarm]

Ooh, now this is a new one that we have not seen suggested before. Thank you!

[@gordybishop2375]

@@EdgeofNowhereFarm they are wolverines in cute dog form.

[@publicdomain3378]

My dogs where soo good, are good. They never pooped or peed inside. When i had to move them to the kenel they really tried to wait. 2 or 3 days in poop started apearing overnight and while i was at work. I came to the conclusion theres nothing i can do about it. They are locked up. Theres not much they can do about it either.

[@EdgeofNowhereFarm]

Well, this is discouraging. Eventually it won't matter as these dogs will be free roaming the property once they're larger and trained, but for now they need to go at least a few hours and overnight without soiling the ground!

[@loicville83]

why have a great pyrénées in a warm climate? it's a montain dog

[@EdgeofNowhereFarm]

These have been raised in and around the Phoenix area for many decades for this very purpose.

[@chosen2030]

Patterdale terrier.

[@EdgeofNowhereFarm]

We've had a couple of folks suggest this one now. Thank you for the suggestion!

[@FourthWayRanch]

I need a dog that wont chase the cats. Cats keep snakes, spiders and scorpions away, dogs supposed to keep coyotes away but donket is vetter

[@EdgeofNowhereFarm]

Our dogs do just fine with the cats and they've only been together for a couple of weeks. They both were exposed to cats from birth, which does make a big difference.