OnePlus 8 Pro vs Samsung S20 Ultra vs iPhone 11 Pro Max CAMERA Comparison! | The Tech Chap

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Which has the best camera - OnePlus 8 Pro vs Samsung Galaxy S20 Ultra vs iPhone 11 Pro Max? I test 3 of the best smartphone cameras for video, photos, selfies, night mode & even astrophotography! But 2020 Phone camera is best? 🤔📸
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@Thetechchap
@Thetechchap 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Chaps - which phone do you think had the best camera? 🔥🤔 (also remember the prices: OP8 Pro £899 / S20 Ultra £1299 / iPhone 11 Pro Max £1149)!
@revenge977
@revenge977 4 жыл бұрын
The Tech Chap oneplus 8 pro
@revenge977
@revenge977 4 жыл бұрын
or maybe s20
@niklasbc
@niklasbc 4 жыл бұрын
OnePlus 8 Pro
@ScreenOnTimeYT
@ScreenOnTimeYT 4 жыл бұрын
I think for happy medium oneplus 8 pro. Although the selfie cam seems a bit disappointing. Could be improved with updates which oneplus are excellent for
@sameershekhar3513
@sameershekhar3513 4 жыл бұрын
I think u forgot to turn on hdr on s20 ultra
@gabrielnieves9974
@gabrielnieves9974 4 жыл бұрын
OnePlus has made a massive improvement in their camara this year. The only thing they need to work on is the color accuracy in the night and skin tones which they can fix with a few software updates.Other than that it's a really solid camara. I'm impressed!!
@corsinivideos
@corsinivideos 4 жыл бұрын
Agree colours are the main issue, and nightmode could be a bit better although improved a lot. Sadly given the fact google is likely to leave the flagship space next year one plus will be the only close to stock android flagship, shame they will never match pixel cameras really.
@midun2977
@midun2977 4 жыл бұрын
Those are software related issues, OnePlus will be able to fix it.
@kruemelfelix
@kruemelfelix 4 жыл бұрын
You can already use Astrophotography Mode and the Night Scape Mode from the Pixel 4 on the OP8 and 8Pro. Works like charm, way better than the stock camera. Also colours are more natural. In the day I prefer the stock app, but in the night GCam comes way way ahead.
@gixi430
@gixi430 4 жыл бұрын
Betwen one plus 8 and pro is a big difference at camera?
@sohamchhaya2633
@sohamchhaya2633 4 жыл бұрын
OnePlus never do color fixing via updates. I own 7T and the color toning is embarrassing. Typical chinese phone one.
@ByChoiceMuslim
@ByChoiceMuslim 4 жыл бұрын
Keep up the criticism of exynos. Maybe Samsung will listen and sell us Snapdragon version here in the UK next year.
@adrianhazzard6665
@adrianhazzard6665 4 жыл бұрын
I doubt it. Exynos means more profit for Samsung. They're not going to change SOC because us phone geeks are moaning
@infor99
@infor99 4 жыл бұрын
I cant be the only one that has 0 problems with the exynos version 🤷‍♂️
@kelvinmukunga2214
@kelvinmukunga2214 4 жыл бұрын
I wanted to upgrade to the s20+ but now coz of exynos l think l will go for the iPhone 11 pro max
@lorep7412
@lorep7412 4 жыл бұрын
@@kelvinmukunga2214 me too... OP 8 pro seems to have a bad camera :( I dunno what to do really, because I wsntt least 90hz also
@vikramchauhan2634
@vikramchauhan2634 4 жыл бұрын
This is surely exynos.but astrophotography on my note 10 plus ( exynos ) is so much better than his s20 ultra. I dont know why
@tylershalby3115
@tylershalby3115 4 жыл бұрын
Conclusion: The OnePlus 8 Pro makes you look more British.
@hernanhuerta55
@hernanhuerta55 4 жыл бұрын
I think I know why this is happening with OnePlus phones but it would probably offend some people.
@hernanhuerta55
@hernanhuerta55 4 жыл бұрын
It has to do with lightening skin tone
@W0ND3RB0Y1
@W0ND3RB0Y1 4 жыл бұрын
@@hernanhuerta55 Its a bad thing to be dark skinned in china.. Didnt think about that being a reason actually, hmm..
@cynics9961
@cynics9961 4 жыл бұрын
So true, when i ask for water, I say "can I have a cuppa wutta?"
@santopapi1615
@santopapi1615 4 жыл бұрын
Or you mean 'Bri-ish"
@sickeditsss
@sickeditsss 4 жыл бұрын
This KZbinrs are faster than my wifi speed
@hasmin2252
@hasmin2252 4 жыл бұрын
U must have very slow WiFi...
@Thetechchap
@Thetechchap 4 жыл бұрын
@wan azri this
@NzyDray
@NzyDray 4 жыл бұрын
@@Thetechchap 🖐️❤️
@neverletmego6414
@neverletmego6414 4 жыл бұрын
Galaxy S20 Ultra: $1599 iphone pro Max: $1099 Oneplus 8 pro: $899 Oneplus : I'm still a flagship killer by a lesser margin! (insert Thor meme here)
@anarchyfps5577
@anarchyfps5577 4 жыл бұрын
Still worthy meme?
@roanjorna4698
@roanjorna4698 4 жыл бұрын
ultra is 1399 right?
@roanjorna4698
@roanjorna4698 4 жыл бұрын
@Jacob Dawson if you take the lowest price of the iphone and the oneplus than you should do the same for the S20 ultra right?
@Divyesh_Sinha
@Divyesh_Sinha 4 жыл бұрын
You should match up all phones with same storage models Galaxy s20 ultra 512gb $1599 iPhone 11 pro max 256gb $1249 Oneplus 8 pro 256gb $999
@Top10everything333
@Top10everything333 4 жыл бұрын
Wait for a year and samsung is way cheaper😜
@AceCine
@AceCine 4 жыл бұрын
I really am convinced the Exynos models have poor camera performance, I took a night shot with my snapdragon model and it definitely did not turn out like that.
@marcelogomez8321
@marcelogomez8321 4 жыл бұрын
Completely agree - I see this video and I'm shocked because the quality of photos I'm taking with my s20 ultra are MUCH better than what is being represented in this video. I've done side by side with iPhone 11 pro and Google Pixel 4 along with my s20 and they are neck and neck....I've honestly never seen such poor quality photos coming from the S20u. 👎 For poor representation in this comparison
@Jan-rn3vj
@Jan-rn3vj 4 жыл бұрын
@@marcelogomez8321 you cant give him a thumbs down for that though. He's using an Exynos s20 because that's what is sold in his region. Why would you count that as his mistake?
@aaron_333
@aaron_333 4 жыл бұрын
Another new firmware was just released for Exynos S20 Ultra. That would change camera performance again
@julianmiguelcac3917
@julianmiguelcac3917 4 жыл бұрын
@MSD AnandTech? I don't even see a Snapdragon vs Exynos camera comparison
@julianmiguelcac3917
@julianmiguelcac3917 4 жыл бұрын
@MSD the last video published by "AnandTech" was 6 years ago soo idk if you misspelled or something
@lamiafarjana1990
@lamiafarjana1990 4 жыл бұрын
the smooth transition between lenses of iPhone is just amazing. No phone has been able to do it yet (atleast as far I have seen)
@king6463
@king6463 4 жыл бұрын
Oneplus has made substantial improvements
@6oLsh0i6o0z3
@6oLsh0i6o0z3 4 жыл бұрын
Selfie is still shit tho. Color filter sensor is kinda useless. Wonder what were they thinking by including that useless sensor, making it expensive now.
@joshtobin6013
@joshtobin6013 4 жыл бұрын
Bolshoi Booze not to mention that it was lagging in the video test at the start. Just watch it
@ishan007ism
@ishan007ism 4 жыл бұрын
More Improvement in price than product
@abhinavnain7013
@abhinavnain7013 4 жыл бұрын
Improvements are there, but not worth $900!!
@king6463
@king6463 4 жыл бұрын
@@abhinavnain7013 People wanted a good camera so they went for that new expensive Sony camera sensor,now factor the expensive 5g snapdragon 865 chipsets ,a gorgeous screen which Display mate rates as one of the very best with a custom motion MEMC chip on the sidelines for extra video frame rates simulation..Custom super fast wirelesses charging and an IP68 certification.. yup! these additional components aren't exactly cheap and are considered premium in my book hence the spike in prices
@JG-gn9oq
@JG-gn9oq 4 жыл бұрын
Oneplus this was a major improvement WOW
@ibrahimrubas8303
@ibrahimrubas8303 4 жыл бұрын
I am impressed by oneplus.I cant believe this phone have almost beaten samsung s20 ultra a 1400$ smartphone But I dont know why oneplus is taking one step back on selfie camera why no 4k resolution on front camera And they should have to work on color accuracy and night mode but at the end i would say nice job oneplus.
@YoItsJustSickeD
@YoItsJustSickeD 4 жыл бұрын
Night mode is not the problem since it can use Gcam. And astrophotography mode like the pixel 4. But color accuracy needs work yes!
@Kotoamatsukami6910
@Kotoamatsukami6910 4 жыл бұрын
The mabye removed the pop up camera for more space.
@LENNYCINEMATIC
@LENNYCINEMATIC 4 жыл бұрын
They beat them? Display etc. Is way more better. And some 100€ cheaper xD
@parthsalgaonkar6897
@parthsalgaonkar6897 4 жыл бұрын
@@Kotoamatsukami6910 I think they removed Pop up camera to ensure the ip68 water proofing...
@babblushaik9902
@babblushaik9902 4 жыл бұрын
Autofocus OnePlus : Fastest Iphone : Smoothest Samsung : Strugglest 🤣
@notkrae
@notkrae 4 жыл бұрын
For me not. S20U has no focus issues for me.
@kevalparmar5066
@kevalparmar5066 4 жыл бұрын
@@notkrae he clearly said that just bcz of exynos chip!! You would have SD865 chip
@nddomaul334
@nddomaul334 4 жыл бұрын
Also my s20+ has no issue, idk why the ultra like that tho
@nddomaul334
@nddomaul334 4 жыл бұрын
But the color still to dark tbh
@QiqiSuki
@QiqiSuki 4 жыл бұрын
@@nddomaul334 it is because of those 108mp sensor, s20 ultra doesnt have pixel dual autofocus, while s20 plus have it, that the reason why it focus slower than other
@moleBRUV
@moleBRUV 4 жыл бұрын
You have to remember the Samsung and iPhone have already had their main camera software updates. The OnePlus 8 Pro is brand new and as we've come to expect from OnePlus they'll be a number of camera updates over the coming months...
@ultimatestoryteller
@ultimatestoryteller 4 жыл бұрын
You can always use this line for iPhones but not really for Samsung. S20 came out like 2 months back that's it.
@moleBRUV
@moleBRUV 4 жыл бұрын
@@ultimatestoryteller the S20 launched with awful camera software (especially autofocus issues) and had a major camera update a few weeks after launch, so yes I can...
@McGreish
@McGreish 4 жыл бұрын
The OnePlus phone makes you look like you either have coronavirus or are a ghost lacking sunlight.
@Jay2k2323
@Jay2k2323 4 жыл бұрын
Lmaoo
@Kurskayaduga
@Kurskayaduga 4 жыл бұрын
or just natural skin paleness
@noka5730
@noka5730 4 жыл бұрын
It's still the newest device out there, so I'm sure there will be future updates for the camera. Just like the Samsung and iPhone got
@cristainnn9298
@cristainnn9298 4 жыл бұрын
That is literally me in any photo ....
@bigherb
@bigherb 4 жыл бұрын
you should use the regular s20 for these tests as the autofocus on the ultra is alot worse and not indicative of the whole range
@kovspbru
@kovspbru 4 жыл бұрын
But it's marketed as the best camera, and has better main sensor (for low light, not for fast AF)
@xavierrobinson200
@xavierrobinson200 4 жыл бұрын
That wouldn't be fun would it
@bigherb
@bigherb 4 жыл бұрын
@@kovspbru in practice there is very little difference if any between the sensors. The only feature that stands out for the ultra is the zoom.
@CalvinUyShow
@CalvinUyShow 4 жыл бұрын
Very well done. Straight to the point and great commentary. Thank you. Coming from OP6 here. Makes me want to upgrade to OP8pro!
@vinuvarsidh880
@vinuvarsidh880 4 жыл бұрын
finally a no nonsense, clean, fast, oneplus phone with top of line camera
@vancevoj1872
@vancevoj1872 4 жыл бұрын
I agree with you in every aspect, becides the pop up camera, I am a OnePlus 7 Pro user, and I love a disturbance free display, which would be hard for me to get used to a hole punch.
@vinuvarsidh880
@vinuvarsidh880 4 жыл бұрын
@@vancevoj1872 I agree with you dude, but only main reason people avoided OnePlus phone were because of its camera. Now they have better camera ,put an even better screen,added ip rating and screen isn't too curved . They made all this while reducing weight. All I was trying to say is ,people now have no reasons to complain. 😁 And iam getting the 7 pro this June for discounted price. Wish me luck😌
@michaelfoster8274
@michaelfoster8274 4 жыл бұрын
To be quiet honest the one plus 7pro camera is good enough in certain situations. I've had compliments from people on it and photo quality
@fallback8314
@fallback8314 4 жыл бұрын
@@vancevoj1872 this is exactly why i'm not upgrading to the 1+8 Pro. i wanna have that phone with an uncompromised screen and the 1+7 Pro gives that to me along with specs that'll keep it viable for YEARS. i love my 1+7 Pro more than i loved my Note 10+ and my S20 Ultra. that ought to tell you all you need to know about the 1+7 Pro
@fallback8314
@fallback8314 4 жыл бұрын
@@vinuvarsidh880 i don't see HOW you won't love the 1+7 Pro it is an absolute STEAL now and it'll be better than phones that come out in 2020, 2021, 2022 yes i said it it'll be better than phones that'll come out in 2 years INCLUDING the 2021 AND the 2022 iphone
@etzap61
@etzap61 4 жыл бұрын
I think Samsung is a real disappointment this year, instead of moving forward I think it has taken a big step back (and look at the price) ! On some photos, then, Iphone is better and on others Oneplus is better. But we must consider that Oneplus has just come out and maybe with a couple of updates it will be good like or better than Iphone.
@Omar00L
@Omar00L 4 жыл бұрын
The focus issues are only in the ultra...imagine it would never been an ultra version and only s20 abd s20 plus...s20plus is good.
@robertblack6630
@robertblack6630 4 жыл бұрын
@@Omar00L still Samsung has yearly drop the ball since the S8 when they were at there height. One Plus is taking over there market share yearly. I owned a Samsung up to the S8 which is a really nice phone but every year since Samsung is overpriced and disappoints. It's $999for maxed out 8 pro vs $1199 for s20+ and the Samsung loses in every area except I do like they have flatten the screen but that's a minor issue. It runs slower, display poor, Camera is average at best, samsung bloatware, and color options are terrible. I buy a iPhone but switching over is to much of headache for minor upgrades at this point sad to say One Plus owns the android market.
@adwaitsharma6915
@adwaitsharma6915 4 жыл бұрын
They had a better camera in tbr note 10, also Samsung is done for unless they change thier stupid 2 year update policy, $1400 for 2 years of updates while $400 for 6 years of updates.
@96jwatson
@96jwatson 4 жыл бұрын
Lol until august
@vikinnorway6725
@vikinnorway6725 4 жыл бұрын
Funny thing is that the iPhone is 6-7 months and the oldest one . Still king
@new3sc
@new3sc 4 жыл бұрын
Amazing comparison! Great job mate!
@WickedRibbon
@WickedRibbon 4 жыл бұрын
I think the iPhone excels when people are in frame. It applies just the right amount of touch-up to make everyone look about 5-10% better 😇
@Oziverse1610
@Oziverse1610 4 жыл бұрын
Can we All appreciate oneplusses microphone
@ptmiomio8022
@ptmiomio8022 4 жыл бұрын
I like​ skin tone on s20 ultra​
@roastedchickenbs6578
@roastedchickenbs6578 4 жыл бұрын
Ptmio Mio ya me too
@sush2142
@sush2142 4 жыл бұрын
Really? Lmao
@JakubVacek42
@JakubVacek42 4 жыл бұрын
Disgustang. Other than that the processing is nice.
@zator3687
@zator3687 4 жыл бұрын
lol
@shadowgamer-yg2dk
@shadowgamer-yg2dk 4 жыл бұрын
Me tooooo
@randyvines1497
@randyvines1497 4 жыл бұрын
those phones arent social distancing, they might get covid s19 ultra That wasnt very funny sorry
@herr_L.
@herr_L. 4 жыл бұрын
Even though I admire Samsung phones more. I have to say the Iphone is the most balanced of those 3
@flizzy4645
@flizzy4645 4 жыл бұрын
iPhone will always have better cameras nothing the competitors can do
@andrewhezekiahdaniel
@andrewhezekiahdaniel 4 жыл бұрын
@@flizzy4645 For a while the Pixel 3 was the camera king, and there are several areas where it doesn't have the top camera even now, so you're talking rubbish.
@ferdia6
@ferdia6 4 жыл бұрын
Totally agreed , you can't fault the camera on the latest iPhones they just seem to always be one step ahead of the competition. They just need to dial down the HDR a bit for certain conditions
@rajanbgmiyt
@rajanbgmiyt 4 жыл бұрын
I am really disappointed with the new oneplus 8 series. nothing new also its front camera sucks .(being a 7T pro user) my 7t pro display is much better than this.
@ghfsd786fa
@ghfsd786fa 4 жыл бұрын
@@andrewhezekiahdaniel because Apple is a lazy ass atm, they 'save' features and release them slowly just to get the most money out of it, is not like they CAN'T do it, they just let the competition catch up, and then release it
@izzatzakwan196
@izzatzakwan196 4 жыл бұрын
So basically, OnePlus has the most color accurate display but still struggles to reproduce the correct color when capturing photos and videos.
@gewoonFabio100
@gewoonFabio100 4 жыл бұрын
That's indeed quite ironic. I personally wonder if that actually might be the case. That somehow it mixes it own color up by using this screen.
@-Bob12345
@-Bob12345 4 жыл бұрын
2:50 the galaxy phones used to have blue tints on everything, so i moved to oneplus and was happy with it, that was two years ago though
@pratik66480
@pratik66480 4 жыл бұрын
Oneplus’s camera has improved by leaps and bounds.
@nicholastaylor9375
@nicholastaylor9375 4 жыл бұрын
The iPhone has by far the best cameras for video capture and probably on balance the best for photos too, though some of the photos shot on the OP were impressive (the one of the stone house with the blue door and the one at the gate into the field were clear wins for OP). I'd put the S20 Ultra camera last in terms of overall quality, it's a bit of a mess in most use cases.
@busybee2148
@busybee2148 4 жыл бұрын
Still s20 and ONE plus cant do 4k 60 in telephoto and ultra wide, that iphone all lens can do 4k 60 ,iphone also has 4k 24 fps cinematic video in both front and back, and extended dynamic range in 4k 30 and 60 in rear cam vedio, king in video recording is as always iphone hands down
@hatakeakshay802
@hatakeakshay802 4 жыл бұрын
@@busybee2148 you know OnePlus 8 pro gonna get tons of update regarding cameras like how OnePlus 7 pro got.
@busybee2148
@busybee2148 4 жыл бұрын
@@hatakeakshay802 no match for computational photography that where apple and google are the masters hands down
@hatakeakshay802
@hatakeakshay802 4 жыл бұрын
@@busybee2148 are you blind photos were equally good on all there and tbh some photos were no doubt better on OnePlus 8 pro and even videos were good and almost head on
@hatakeakshay802
@hatakeakshay802 4 жыл бұрын
@@busybee2148 phone is new obviously it gonna have Excellent cameras before it comes to sake
@KismetMookz
@KismetMookz 4 жыл бұрын
ffs, 1gbit internetspeed and youtube automatically played at 480p.
@Galadir
@Galadir 4 жыл бұрын
Mine is 1 mbit :) I would like to play at 480p..
@Sk-tp5xp
@Sk-tp5xp 4 жыл бұрын
No need to flex on us
@-Blue-_
@-Blue-_ 4 жыл бұрын
@@Sk-tp5xp 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@JohnConnor636
@JohnConnor636 4 жыл бұрын
My gbit is barley at 300 :( too many people online now with your whole ( stay at home )
@RennieAsh
@RennieAsh 4 жыл бұрын
Simply change your res to lock it in at max screen res. It's also defaulting to lower res due to increased load on the internet of the entire world lol. Plus by locking it in, you won;t suddenly have a 360p moment XD
@martinbrankov8504
@martinbrankov8504 4 жыл бұрын
In general Samsung failed with s20 series! Which is a good thing for s21....
@sondesix_
@sondesix_ 4 жыл бұрын
Are you sure bout that? 🤣
@martinbrankov8504
@martinbrankov8504 4 жыл бұрын
@@sondesix_ well I hope so (fingers crossed)!
@its_alain8964
@its_alain8964 4 жыл бұрын
hell no the s20 ultra is the best smartphone right now
@samay607
@samay607 4 жыл бұрын
@@its_alain8964 bs
@johncruz5001
@johncruz5001 4 жыл бұрын
@@its_alain8964 the best at being one of the worse focusing issues in any flagship at a f***king $1400. Can't even take an astrophotography properly. The oneplus astrophotography was better than samsung's at half the price. Exynos performance is worse than the snapdragon's but both variants has the same price, like wtf? The US, China and other regions gets the superior snapdragon chip while the rest of the world gets the inferior exynos chip at the same price.
@giovanniscoletta9753
@giovanniscoletta9753 4 жыл бұрын
iPhone 11 Pro, with its strengths and weaknesses of course, still remain the most consistent accross the board with an insane and seamless 4K video quality. The point is: - Do you have an iPhone? - A good 8/10 pics you take straight out of the pocket are nice, crisp, “Instagrammable” and they need little if no post-editing. Customers aren’t professionals and they want a quick result. That’s what makes iPhone still unrivalled: it’s “point and shoot” philosophy.
@corsinivideos
@corsinivideos 4 жыл бұрын
Pixel 4 takes better stills imo. Iphone lifts dark areas far too much and you end up with flat looking photos. Also painted porcelin skin effect.
@Y-J65
@Y-J65 4 жыл бұрын
corsinivideos agreed pixel is still the best for point and shoot followed by the iPhone.
@corsinivideos
@corsinivideos 4 жыл бұрын
@@Y-J65 Such a shame google will abandon flagships, unbelievable waste of camera technology.
@ChigzTech
@ChigzTech 4 жыл бұрын
IPhone is the best, OnePlus is 2nd. Good job Tom.
@botzer8817
@botzer8817 4 жыл бұрын
The best for selfies and videos. Not photos from rear back.
@EpicFailcze
@EpicFailcze 4 жыл бұрын
The microphone sound of 1+ is by far the best of the three, wow
@busybee2148
@busybee2148 4 жыл бұрын
Hands down iphone is the king in video recording Iphone all lens can do main ,telephoto, ultrawide can do 4k 60 and 4k 24 fps cinematic video ,s20 ultra, or oneplus cant do that Oneplus:we have the best 3 level hdr in video Apple:hold my smart hdr extended dynamic range in 4k 30 or 60 fps
@peoplesgame1
@peoplesgame1 4 жыл бұрын
Rest iphone sucks
@prithvim7
@prithvim7 4 жыл бұрын
Not everyone uses a phone for video lol
@busybee2148
@busybee2148 4 жыл бұрын
@@peoplesgame1 plz watch this video one more may be you watched this video using micromax lol ,iphone take way better night mode photos, better selfie, portrait, he says it clearly in the video watch it once more ..better hadware dosent means better software processing matters the most that apple and Google are the masters and shows with their computational photography hands down truth is hurting you too much lol
@peoplesgame1
@peoplesgame1 4 жыл бұрын
@@busybee2148 iphone overexposed sometimes and is also more expensive
@busybee2148
@busybee2148 4 жыл бұрын
@@peoplesgame1 lol are trying hard to justify ONE plus is better omg no match for computational photography that where apple and google are the masters
@TarikDurak
@TarikDurak 4 жыл бұрын
notice how at 0:46 the oneplus 8 pro actually blurs the background when he grabs the fence, while neither the galaxy nor the iphone do so.
@MuhammadHassan-vx7eo
@MuhammadHassan-vx7eo 4 жыл бұрын
The skin tone on the s20 is perfect
@isaac4283
@isaac4283 4 жыл бұрын
As in realistic or looks good?
@tommax531
@tommax531 4 жыл бұрын
yellow and paint.
@Malik689
@Malik689 4 жыл бұрын
S20 HRD Is terrible compared to the S10 I don't understand why it's so bad.
@travisbloomfield303
@travisbloomfield303 4 жыл бұрын
Idiot Indian Samsung fanboys
@Junispro31
@Junispro31 4 жыл бұрын
@@travisbloomfield303 I'm not Indian and I still prefer the S20 Ultra. Mine doesn't have focus issues and I like the punch hole design.
@tronderikbrekke8792
@tronderikbrekke8792 4 жыл бұрын
From a Photographers point of view I would argue that the ONEPLUS 8 Pro did the best. Since smartphone cameras in general are made to get you the finished image not in need of any editing I found the iPhone images to be too flat, and to a point that you really struggle to fix it. While the ONEPLUS wasn't best in Nigh mode I think is pretty much was in the rest. Quite impressed actually. Well as a point and shoot device of course.
@TyresaerysTargaryen
@TyresaerysTargaryen 4 жыл бұрын
It is officially dumb to argue over phones they're at there peak and most are the exact same except for some small differences
@GuruTheCoder
@GuruTheCoder 3 жыл бұрын
no
@TyresaerysTargaryen
@TyresaerysTargaryen 3 жыл бұрын
@@GuruTheCoder yes
@GuruTheCoder
@GuruTheCoder 3 жыл бұрын
@@TyresaerysTargaryen no
@TyresaerysTargaryen
@TyresaerysTargaryen 3 жыл бұрын
@@GuruTheCoder get lost bro
@GuruTheCoder
@GuruTheCoder 3 жыл бұрын
@@TyresaerysTargaryen lol no
@CLAWZGALAW
@CLAWZGALAW 4 жыл бұрын
Just off this review, I’d go with the iPhone 11 Pro ..
@kdb_019
@kdb_019 4 жыл бұрын
Samsung's problem was calling it S20 instead of S11 looking at the way 2020 has turned out.
@caseysalinger
@caseysalinger 4 жыл бұрын
Def the iPhone is most well-rounded. I'm surprised how bad the Ultra is overall. To think people actually spend $1400 on it. OnePlus didn't improve much to validate their new prices. It would be great to see a camera comparison with the 7 Pro.
@asudhakarreddy5894
@asudhakarreddy5894 4 жыл бұрын
OnePlus has done a great achievement in improving camera performance..great phone at great price..OnePlus is the better camera phone out of all..
@96jwatson
@96jwatson 4 жыл бұрын
Delusional
@GoFlyFeetOnGround
@GoFlyFeetOnGround 4 жыл бұрын
Boycott China
@sdiggly
@sdiggly 4 жыл бұрын
AMAZING review! Really loved the thorough side by side (by side) comparison. By far the best camera review I've seen
@moeceesay8201
@moeceesay8201 4 жыл бұрын
The iPhone has the best video. Recording capabilities especially the mic quality. And for human subjects IPhones also do a lot better with colors, skin, and overall balance. The 1+ is good when it comes to landscape photos as having the right balance of shadows and highlights in a scene . The S20 tbh for its price is the worst and most inconsistent overall out of all three. At night it’s pretty solid and does a good job with selfies but the inconsistency especially with video recording is just disappointing for a $1400 starting price phone. Overall I think the iPhone has the best camera capabilities in the most scenarios out of all 3.
@rajlovinglife
@rajlovinglife 4 жыл бұрын
when it come to video there is surely no competition for the iPhone...good work comparing these flagships....
@Divyesh_Sinha
@Divyesh_Sinha 4 жыл бұрын
I actually liked the portrait shots better on the OnePlus
@bullykojima3232
@bullykojima3232 4 жыл бұрын
I didn't like the colours but it is early software it will keep getting better .
@syamim_7
@syamim_7 4 жыл бұрын
agree!
@bullykojima3232
@bullykojima3232 4 жыл бұрын
@Bryan yes i use it on my poco f1 and its camera rocks even today
@gauravingale4666
@gauravingale4666 4 жыл бұрын
OnePlus will improve skin-tone with software updates they always do that with updates they make camera better.
@JMMinistries
@JMMinistries 4 жыл бұрын
I'll be waiting for the OnePlus 8T Pro McLaren Edition (WITH 865+, 512GB STORAGE, 16GB RAM, 5000+ mAh BATTERY, TOP CENTER CAMERA HOLE & NO CURVE / LESS CURVE DISPLAY)
@eyra05
@eyra05 4 жыл бұрын
I got this video as an ad, and this is legitimately the first time ever I've ever watched 7 minutes of an ad (and it was even a mid-roll) - and clicked through to watch the rest and write this. :P Really good comparison, exactly what I look for when buying a new phone. I love my OnePlus but am always envious of iPhone's nightmode and portraits. Really great video!
@azzadulhafidzi8787
@azzadulhafidzi8787 4 жыл бұрын
Impressive... Amazing to see iphone with last year tech still able compete and beat latest phone
@basilaaa4715
@basilaaa4715 4 жыл бұрын
U ok?? 😂😂. iPhone was supposed to be "ground breaking" with there cameras. The 20 is still released in the same gen as the pro. One plus had one extra year to build there phone. Samsungs and iPhones phone were still comparable last year. The damn note 10 could beat that shit tbh. Lol list everything the iPhone is better at. I'll list mine for Samsung and one plus -120hz display -Triple the ram -Better cameras -No damn big ass notch -Way better ecosystem. (at least Samsung doesn't limet us to what we can use!!)
@EnkoreTech
@EnkoreTech 4 жыл бұрын
last year's tech? you do know the iPhone 11 series just like all androids coming out now uses a 2nd gen 7nm chipset, so these are actually the iphones real competitors.
@jesuslimon880
@jesuslimon880 4 жыл бұрын
@@basilaaa4715 lol. More ram doesn't mean nothing , it's about software and optimization Lol , apple has the best ecosystem iPhone 11 pro max clearly has better camera than OnePlus and Samsung Shitty fanboy haters If you don't like just don't fucking buy it
@samay607
@samay607 4 жыл бұрын
@@basilaaa4715 1. It's a phone not a fuckin' gaming laptop so it doesn't matter. 2. iPhones don't need a whole lot of ram cause they aren't packed with bloatware and use IOS. 3. Way better ecosystem? Here's an example to prove you wrong: The iPhone 6s can run fortnite but the Samsung galaxy note 5, which was released around the same time as the 6s CAN'T.
@basilaaa4715
@basilaaa4715 4 жыл бұрын
Ok fine list your reasons isheeps
@betonscheitel8635
@betonscheitel8635 4 жыл бұрын
1:58 is exactly what keeps me away from buying a OP8pro. Thank you so much for this. You are the one with meaningful samples and not only random shots. I realy need a video cam with this good HDR. I will wait for the Iphone 12 and hope for a bigger sensor. Still on my Pixel 2xl.
@amitghai6
@amitghai6 4 жыл бұрын
iPhone 11 pro was launched in September 2019 last year, one plus in march 2020 and Samsung launched in Feb 2020 , still both these new android phones are not able to beat the 11pro i feel Apple has done the best job here. and one can't even say that apple is too expensive cause looking at the increasing price of android phones every year i feel this has made apples 11pro at 999 the best deal and the 11pro at 1099 the best bigger phone u can get on the market.
@pocketshit
@pocketshit 4 жыл бұрын
yeah, apple looks to be great value now because android players pushing the price. the only thing i really dislike about apple is shit like locking into their ecosystem
@kovspbru
@kovspbru 4 жыл бұрын
@@pocketshit Agreed. Also, it's clear that every iPhone is a way to lock people in their ecosystem. Proprietary cables, bluetooth codecs, alerts in battery health stats about battery replacements not from apple store - so much effort to make their user spend more - later. Quite smart, and Samsung starts to copy same ideas in a non-direct way. Their screens cost A LOT to repair, their true wireless headphones use their own codec for bluetooth, even their fast chargers are not standard power-delivery (even apple uses PD )...
@andrewhezekiahdaniel
@andrewhezekiahdaniel 4 жыл бұрын
Apple give you a pathetic base level of 64GB of storage. Also the OnePlus 8 destroys the iPhone 11 - look at his other video.
@finnba_h
@finnba_h 4 жыл бұрын
Does anyone else notice the slight stutter in the Oneplus 8 Pro video? My Oneplus 6 has the same stutter when recording 4K.
@trevorrandey1915
@trevorrandey1915 4 жыл бұрын
Night Mode Huawei still the Champ
@yxz1592
@yxz1592 4 жыл бұрын
Trump+night+oneplus 8= asian Trump
@marcofalls6310
@marcofalls6310 4 жыл бұрын
In this test, oneplus is definitely better but if the samsung would be with a snapdragon's variant, that would change everything P.S iphone still is the best when it comes to video)
@hlm601
@hlm601 4 жыл бұрын
I think it just shows that the hardware is great on all three, it just come down to the software and processing and they have all gone in slightly different ways
@everstar8056
@everstar8056 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent review.What i have been waiting for. I was expecting a lot from One plus specially after they increased the price to $1000. I feel one plus is charging only for the display,IP rating,Wireless Charging and 5G.Nothing else.
@sangeetabora9910
@sangeetabora9910 4 жыл бұрын
@King Kosa V and that too in the night time... And the front facing camera... Otherwise the outdoor shots were A+++
@splitstrim
@splitstrim 4 жыл бұрын
I-phone has better video than others in the day time for sure. This is what most people needs anyway. Photos wise all 3 phones are OK.
@0yh964
@0yh964 4 жыл бұрын
One plus camera is disappointing as usual.
@lancer.p1
@lancer.p1 4 жыл бұрын
Wtf how 😂 iPhone 200 dollars more Samsung 300dollars more still preforms phenomenal
@roanjorna4698
@roanjorna4698 4 жыл бұрын
It's really odd. My night time results with my S20 ultra have been so different (better than this video displays) in comparisson to the iPhone 11 pro. I have had no problems with focus either. It's actually extremely fast (on par with iPhone). I have the Exynos variant.
@NewLifestyleMentor
@NewLifestyleMentor 4 жыл бұрын
I find that there’s too much brightness in the Oneplus 8 Pro. The closer you get in (higher magnification levels) on the S20, the picture tends to get a lot darker (but it is more detailed). The stabilization on the iPhone is better than the Oneplus and S20.
@klmedia9425
@klmedia9425 4 жыл бұрын
oneplus has frame drop issue when shoot 4k
@mmm.3839
@mmm.3839 4 жыл бұрын
Updates will fix it
@iustitiaepervenit
@iustitiaepervenit 4 жыл бұрын
I also noticed frame drops on oneplus. Can't understand why nobody can do same quality video as on iphone
@michel-manuel
@michel-manuel 4 жыл бұрын
Lemme just say that - the audio on the OnePlus is awesome
@SubKiller
@SubKiller 4 жыл бұрын
what???? the oneplus had the worst audio
@athelstan5794
@athelstan5794 4 жыл бұрын
it is better than sam but iphone is the best
@SubKiller
@SubKiller 4 жыл бұрын
@@athelstan5794 no it isnt. Pls if you are using speakers switch to headphones
@michel-manuel
@michel-manuel 4 жыл бұрын
@@SubKiller listen to it again
@michel-manuel
@michel-manuel 4 жыл бұрын
@@athelstan5794 ow please 💔😂, listen to it well
@devpanchigar9239
@devpanchigar9239 4 жыл бұрын
i think samsung has some issue with the new big sensor other wise after the Apple,Samsung camera are of the best out there.hope it will fix soon😊
@Eihei
@Eihei 4 жыл бұрын
5:15 the reason why there is no texture visible on S20 ultra and OP8 Pro is that the background is simply out of focus. Remember - they have FAR bigger sensors than iphone and due to that way thinner depth of field. Thanks to that you also get natural looking bokeh without using portrait modes.
@MrSuperaxon
@MrSuperaxon 4 жыл бұрын
oneplus amazingly sharp . but colors are so blown out . zoom in pixels s20 and oneplus just blow iphone out but damn that night mode and tripod space pics iphone blew these the other 2 . video s20 was good if not for the colors blown out even oneplus was good but iphone was really off night mode 4k
@jamiltanelamparo1733
@jamiltanelamparo1733 4 жыл бұрын
iPhone 11 can compete with this 2 flagship? Price and camera? For me 11 pro max are most reliable and consistent camera here.
@RealMeatPie
@RealMeatPie 4 жыл бұрын
8:51 corona face in da middle :)
@RussMEagle
@RussMEagle 4 жыл бұрын
Subscribed to Ryan’s channel now! Well done to the NHS etc 👍
@han55755
@han55755 4 жыл бұрын
iPhone will always be the champion !! Period
@gulamnabidhupelwala6286
@gulamnabidhupelwala6286 4 жыл бұрын
Haha my house comes when he records the video
@brandonsims167
@brandonsims167 4 жыл бұрын
I'm not understanding how Samsung spoke so highly of the Ultra's camera but the the daytime photos are dark and sometimes hazy. The shadows areas are crazy dark. The focusing issues. And dark scenes without night mode are trash yet it has a bigger sensor to light in more light. Turn on the night mode and is still gets destroyed by other phones. It looks bad. My S10+ looks better in a lot of cases. What is going on Samsung??
@maverick4655
@maverick4655 4 жыл бұрын
Actually it's because of Exynos processor. The Snapdragon version has a better camera.
@eryparv9290
@eryparv9290 4 жыл бұрын
How one plus 8 pro camera is focusing better than iphone and samsung. It is a fake one, don't see it really.
@raheem860
@raheem860 4 жыл бұрын
It's the shitty ass exynos versions...SD865 versions of the S20 phones are far superior night & day!
@JairusC24
@JairusC24 4 жыл бұрын
@@maverick4655 not really if you read anandtech's thorough review about its camera, it's the other way around but nevertheless, the post processing in both Snapdragon and Exynos is still shitty and Samsung needs to clean that regardless of what chipset is used. You can see the S20 camera real potential when you use Pro and shoot in RAW then apply your own post processing in Lightroom.
@hebanyarbrough241
@hebanyarbrough241 4 жыл бұрын
Where is this filmed? It looks lovely! Also, never watched a video but I will be back, you seem very clear and cool!
@MrKrueger88
@MrKrueger88 4 жыл бұрын
Firstly , thanks for a great video ... lots of varied conditions and faces which is needed for a real comparison . Just one thought though , the night sky should look black in astrophotography ... it's a lot more realistic than the other grey images imo .
@ejb8326
@ejb8326 4 жыл бұрын
It's a shame you can't use the snapdragon version of the ultra. It would've performed better in the comparisons.
@SurroundedByNonsense
@SurroundedByNonsense Жыл бұрын
I got the 11 pro max today and out of all iPhone models I’ve purchased throughout the years this is by far the best I’ve purchased yet and the in built speakers on this phone are outstanding ☺️☺️😯😯🦁🦁
@M.Maxlev
@M.Maxlev 4 жыл бұрын
iPhone 11pro 7 months later lunched are still the best overall camera.
@hofniamwaalwa3724
@hofniamwaalwa3724 4 жыл бұрын
Cant really go wrong with any of these phones. Just close your eyes and randomly choose one.
@adilarqib1347
@adilarqib1347 4 жыл бұрын
there's an almost 700USD difference between S20 Ultra and OnePlus8 pro. Last year I paid 650USD for one week in Cuba all included (in 3 stars hotel).
@niranjankedambadi
@niranjankedambadi 4 жыл бұрын
When a so called flagship killer sells close to the flagship phone's price... it is no longer a flagship killer! People should rather buy an actual flagship!!!
@sangeetabora9910
@sangeetabora9910 4 жыл бұрын
OnePlus is 8pro is also an actual flagship you dumb
@ssaini5028
@ssaini5028 4 жыл бұрын
@@sangeetabora9910 nah its priced to be one but its not
@grantdavis5627
@grantdavis5627 4 жыл бұрын
​@@ssaini5028 You've got that the wrong way around. It's a phone that costs $300-400 less than the equivalent iphone or samsung yet it's still got better specs.
@ssaini5028
@ssaini5028 4 жыл бұрын
@@grantdavis5627 the 8 Pro costs $1300 here in Canada
@ssaini5028
@ssaini5028 4 жыл бұрын
@@grantdavis5627 unfortunately specs mean nothing. Oneplus camera isnt better than last years flagships and the battery life is roughly the same. Stereo speaker are that great either.
@KB-rh6hc
@KB-rh6hc 4 жыл бұрын
First detailed comparison in KZbin👍👏👏 keep it up.. Waiting for Sony xperia 1 mark 2..😃
@arbernuka3679
@arbernuka3679 4 жыл бұрын
iphone 11 has a big problem in video recording, when you record something and there is a sky it constantly makes weird lights in the sky and its weird how these youtubers can't notice it....2:04 proves it
@victuringan1429
@victuringan1429 4 жыл бұрын
arber nuka stop spreading fake rumors.
@arbernuka3679
@arbernuka3679 4 жыл бұрын
watch the sky at 2:04 cuz it seems like you and tech are far from each other😘
@hasmin2252
@hasmin2252 4 жыл бұрын
@@victuringan1429 I guess you have no comeback
@paulbarton957
@paulbarton957 4 жыл бұрын
Some of the iPhone stills have a flat profile that reminds me of early GoPros in pro-mode or what ever they called it. Trying to keep the most information in the shot for best editing opportunities.
@Azthrak
@Azthrak 4 жыл бұрын
Cheers mate and thanks for this. OnePlus 8 Pro massive improvements to default camera mode this year. The complaints are easily fixed via software updates since it’s just the camera software at this point or just by downloading the gcam mod on the OnePlus LOL.
@did5177
@did5177 4 жыл бұрын
The iPhone definitely excels with skin tone and photos of people, but for the way I use my phone (mostly photos of objects, landscapes, cityscapes, etc.) I would likely choose the OnePlus 8 Pro. I can edit the colors for selfies and photos of people to help bring them closer to true to life when needed, but the added contrast for other shots is a winner in my mind.
@babaladala5320
@babaladala5320 4 жыл бұрын
I think the iPhone is best ❤️
@krazyfrog
@krazyfrog 4 жыл бұрын
The Android phones can go back and forth but none of them can match the consistency of the iPhone. With the iPhone you pretty much know what shot you're going to get and it always delivers on that. With the other phones it's like a lucky draw every time you press the shutter.
@ftg4864
@ftg4864 4 жыл бұрын
I still don't understand the rationale behind having photos that are true to life when people looking at some of these photos have no idea how the natural picture is, I would say go for the phone that gives you the best eye appeasing pictures. No one will come and look for the natural scene😂
@Thetechchap
@Thetechchap 4 жыл бұрын
good point! It's that "instagram-ready" vs. "true-to-life" debate
@masononemine1702
@masononemine1702 4 жыл бұрын
Colors (unless they are horribly off) are not a huge deal, even for the proffesionals. what matters is detail, dynamic range and low light performance.
@Imdb007
@Imdb007 4 жыл бұрын
There still do exist people in this world who would want to remember their memories in picture form as to how it was! You can get appeasing pictures through post edits (And for those reasons there do exist these photo editing apps) but a true to life is the one which you would probably never have even after the best edits. Life isn't all about beauty and appeasing objects. Companies and these hardworking KZbinrs are not any jokers to spend such invaluable resources just to get a real true to life image. Reality is what matters deep down which makes the companies spend billions to upgrade their camera system. And here it's you stating how it's all ok to have just an eye-appealing picture. Social Media is important but is it real? A person like you would probably not understand... (Laughing Emoji inserted right with purpose)
@jaysantiago-BX-NY
@jaysantiago-BX-NY 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome shootout!!👏👏👍 Last IPhone I owned was the IPhone 4. After this I might leave android for that IPhone 11 Pro Max 🤦‍♂️. Just subbed to your friend's channel!! They are our true heroes right now!!❤❤🙏🙏
@damianfitforfun2989
@damianfitforfun2989 4 жыл бұрын
Samsung with Exynos is sooo bad... Its like a fraud, they want us to pay the same price as for the snapdragon version. I guess till now Iphone 11 and p40 is the best deal for best camera performance to buy in UK and Europe.
@infor99
@infor99 4 жыл бұрын
Dude are u dumb? Exynos soooo bad? Wtf!! Its one of the best chipsets in the market you wont have any problem with it. I have it, stop watching these KZbinrs talking nonsense everytime. Cant you see what they are doing to you?
@wintermelon4020
@wintermelon4020 4 жыл бұрын
@@infor99 Yeah, settle for a crappy, over heating chip that is also slower than last year's Snapdragon and a 2 year old Apple chip and also pay more for it. But sure, it's "one of the best chips on the market".
@infor99
@infor99 4 жыл бұрын
@@wintermelon4020 pssss you know how to read dude? I said that I have it and is an amazing phone. Thats all that I care about. Dont give a shit if its 100 points worse than snapdragon in the useless antutu test. And yeah, is one of the best chip in the market, once again, in antutu.
@omniblue2041
@omniblue2041 4 жыл бұрын
@@infor99 I think it is just cause even though both are good, they are still different but hold the same price
@damianfitforfun2989
@damianfitforfun2989 4 жыл бұрын
The prob is that You pay the same price for worse performance. Its like buying the same car for the same price with lower horse power.
@victorAgain00
@victorAgain00 4 жыл бұрын
Skin tones look the best on the s20 to me. But overall, I'm kinda disappointed with Samsung this year. They've previously been known for properly exposing the shadows and getting really good hdr. I dunno wtf happened with the s20 line up
@nddomaul334
@nddomaul334 4 жыл бұрын
Somehow all smarphone these day had an issue when it came out, op+8 ,even p40 pro.
@nddomaul334
@nddomaul334 4 жыл бұрын
Also i using s20+ and yeah the camera still need update, they already do twice on this month tho, but still not good as i expected. Still to far from i phone 11 tbh, even tho the video recording is the top tier.
@SebCoulthread
@SebCoulthread 4 жыл бұрын
that opening shot with the OnePlus 8 looks awful! :O You look like a Simpson!
@suraj26able
@suraj26able 4 жыл бұрын
Nobody... literally nobody can't beat iPhone in skin tone and colour balancing.
@sydneyatutahi3927
@sydneyatutahi3927 4 жыл бұрын
Iphone seems very nice! Thanks for the comparison Tom🤙🏽
@LouisCaputo
@LouisCaputo 4 жыл бұрын
The issue with the S20 Ultra has nothing to do with the Exynos. I have the Snapdragon in mine, and the camera is abysmal. For a $1500 phone built around it's 4 cameras it is shockingly bad. I had to do a Skype call for broadcast TV with my Ultua mounted on a gimbal last night, and the Ultra just couldn't hold focus. Even when perfectly still, it kept hunting to find focus. I did the same shoot a week ago with my S10+ and it had no issues whatsoever. Based on all of this, I am returning my Ultra and considering the S20+, which I've read doesn't have any focusing issues.
@snakomania
@snakomania 4 жыл бұрын
Omg? iphone still king )
@arjunu4206
@arjunu4206 4 жыл бұрын
The iPhone is still overall the best all rounder minus the zoom it’s older and still shoots better videos hands down and I prefer most of the photos from it especially with night mode
@Thisunlaneaintdead
@Thisunlaneaintdead 4 жыл бұрын
You like to spend $1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
@rockyherrera6997
@rockyherrera6997 4 жыл бұрын
The iphone 11 Pro Max is King!!
@bobsta
@bobsta 4 жыл бұрын
If the S20 Ultra had the Snapdragon processor, it would be a close call. Quite a few reviewers have demonstrated that the Exynos processor has severe performance issues all round. To add insult to injury, Samsung sell the subpar Exynos version at the same price as the Snapdragon.
@ahadkhwaja9817
@ahadkhwaja9817 4 жыл бұрын
Imagine paying 1300$ for a flagship and then watching it lose to a 900$ phone 🤣🤣
@Saurabh-hx1yp
@Saurabh-hx1yp 4 жыл бұрын
@vaugni allen obviously you'll have to 😂😂😂😂😂
@ibad3318
@ibad3318 4 жыл бұрын
Imagine having a mentality like you lol
@jesuslimon880
@jesuslimon880 4 жыл бұрын
Lol wtf are you talking about , iPhone clearly has best camera than OnePlus and Samsung
@ahadkhwaja9817
@ahadkhwaja9817 4 жыл бұрын
The whole point of buying a 1300$ phone is to have the best performance in everything, which is clearly not the case. Sometimes it loses and it shouldn't 💁🏻‍♂️
@ibad3318
@ibad3318 4 жыл бұрын
@@jesuslimon880 you're allowed to be wrong
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