Onlyfangs is falling apart, Summit1g Drama

[@FirenTwitch]

Context for those who missed it: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y3rFfnaLf9qgo5I

[@BMW-8814]

K e k Appreciate you

[@AmongRevenants]

No guild in any version of wow, doesn't come with the occasional drama and blowouts. In my guild we call them gunfights. Two slingers throw down. And once done... it stays down. And when it doesn't stay down. One leaves. I never have to kick. They know it's over and they walk away.

[@TurtleMarchingKing]

Most disingenuous arguing. Pretending you dont understand Summit when you clearly do is just sad.

[@AmongRevenants]

@@TurtleMarchingKing What I don't understand is the personalized rage, against a stranger, more or less because they were first across the line. What if was another stranger a level 59 that took part in the event. What if it wasn't the "sweatiest" player in hc. Would there of been issue.

[@christopherronaldhouse6313]

@@AmongRevenants those questions were literally answered wtf are you talking about lol

[@KA-rr6lu]

Sequesha said he did it for bag space and overpriced the items on the ah, yet he put up items for sale per item not as a stack, and they all sold. That guy doubled down with his bag space lie and morons ate it up lmao

[@kbsskb788]

Exactly! Sequisha Cheated and lied about it when caught. He's so lucky to still be a part of this event. If it was for the bagspace he could've made a new char, run to the city and mail items too it, return the mail when he want the items. Especially now with instant account mail. paying to put items up for sale as a way to save bagspace was so stupid I'm surprised no one had more questions about it. Edit: It should be noted too that the character is not gone. If it was a casual who cares more about the character then the guild, he could've refused to go in and even now he can still transfer the char to the non-hardcore server and play it.

[@RololoTheOneAndOnly]

They want to believe him, bc they like him, thats all.

[@Rakbam1]

@@kbsskb788 lol i didnt knew u can just transfer the dead chracter on the normal classic server to play further? so lets say if i die with 50 i can just transfer it to classic server and play my lvl 50 there furhter?

[@lukasgold429]

@@Rakbam1yeah but just on the anniversary realms that just came out

[@cyne122]

"I don't like this aspect of the game so cheating with it isn't really cheating" is wild. teh bags space problems IS part of Hardcore. These cheaters need to grow up. You signed up for a gamemode with these rules and restictions. Full stop.

[@Liuvar]

if you give a cheater a "fair" chance then everyone will make cheating content and we will have a boring ass event again.

[@kaicrodrigues2578]

preach, summits attitude only makes me think he is also cheating

[@GhostAeonWolf]

cheating is not fair. Demanding "FAIR" chance for CHEATER is hypocrisy.

[@Meh_zzz]

Soda two weeks ago: "If you cheat, we'll remove you from the guild and not even make content about it"

[@Eso_lags]

do any of you even play classic? having someone go stand in the middle of the gurabashi arena isnt a fair chance lol especially with a massive amount of people there. its just lame and boring to have zeroji go and kill him when it could have been cool to watch him fight his way out organically.

[@Liuvar]

@@Eso_lags thats exactly the point though. If he has the slightest chance to survive everyone will cheat. The only mistake they did was making content out of it. They should have made him instantly delete the char if they dont want to ban them from the guild. Same outcome

[@sausagesizzler649]

Soda said in the beginning if you cheat you're out of the guild completely... This dude got off easy.

[@GeejMusic]

not to mention sequisha was literally at 15k viewers when he is normally below 1k, also was getting ENDLESS donations and subs... He got rich off this shit.. He got rewarded super handsomely for cheating...

[@FazeParticles]

@@GeejMusic won't happen again. unless Soda cucks again. he might, might not. we'll see.

[@Thomas-ux7rz]

summits so dumb like soda explaining you should hate the guild then not the individual. and also shoulda just said pick would you rather him banned or killed

[@xjudoflip7381]

@@GeejMusic Sequisha averages around 2500 viewers. Soda went easy on him because 1, its' sequisha, and 2. in Soda's own words, it was very minor.

[@sausagesizzler649]

@@xjudoflip7381 I mean the way he cheated wasn’t really “minor” just because what he received was only 4g. Soda was just playing it down to spare the guy. Using AH when you’re meant to be “guild self found” is as bad as it gets when it comes to cheating.

[@Lithane97]

I get why Summit is mad. He saw the punishment as a chance, and Soda saw it as a sure way to get the character killed. Soda should have stuck with what he said originally and not made content out of cheating.

[@dj9733]

Summit is a grown ass man crying like this over a just punishment lmao.

[@xticy1950]

@@dj9733thats the same thing all yall doing rn too tho tbf 😂 the irony is unmatched

[@mariod818]

​😂😂😂😂 seeing the irony is honestly hilarious gahahahahah​@xticy1950

[@P1DZz]

It's not crying if you don't agree with your hero bro. It's standing up for another player @@dj9733

[@720zone]

"If someone cheats they're out of the guild and we're not going to make content out of it."

[@Dalzedur]

The fuck does it matter if he was two shot by a 60, if the alternative was getting killed in 2 seconds by an angry mob that was rapidly closing in the distance?

[@connecting1409]

bcs everone forgot that... nobody remembers that seq had several people running at him, they just remember 60 hunter finishing the job, a mercy kill if you ask me. the selective memory is unreal. and honestly calling the hunter a dumbass and lowlife for this is just pathetic. honestly id just gkick summit, this shit is pathetic

[@Onwlsi]

@@warmanreaper There was a zero percent chance that he was ever making it out of the arena alive. Everyone knew that. Who ever didn't know that is an idiot. And you know what? That's a win for Seq. Because originally cheaters were going to be unceremoniously gkicked and not able to play anymore. With this, Seq got some content, he got some views, and he gets to keep putting in his stream title while he levels a new character. He turned the addon off to use the AH and he gets to keep playing. He's lucky.

[@Monophobial]

killed in 2 seconds OR immediately permabanned, like wtf

[@pandagaming100]

"tell me how you feel, and ill tell you why youre wrong"

[@_Travey]

Fucking hilarious to start off with that 😂

[@TheJakebriscoe]

@@pandagaming100 😂

[@frequentsee3815]

Gaslight 101

[@ssk58607]

Based on

[@gordonvincent29]

High level narcissism right der

[@ChaosMieter]

honestly this gives credence to soda's original policy: no NOT make content out of people breaking the rules

[@dubstepforever99]

true he broke his own rule of people breaking the rules.

[@ROFLWAFFLELAWL4]

Right and I think that's what Summits real problem is but somehow spiraled himself into bringing Zero into the equation. I think the gist of what Summit wanted to say was that if the decision was to have Seq make a new character, they should have just done that instead of making this whole "fight for your life" arena event which resulted in a level 60 one tapping him. Make it a winnable fight or just go on with the decision of "Hey we're not Gkicking you but you need to start a new character" instead of making content on it, which is breaking the very rule Soda set. Summit mentioned that once but then stuck himself on the Zero tangent.

[@grilledleeks6514]

Nah. Summits just a bitch who needs a break

[@Sumppa]

@@ROFLWAFFLELAWL4 nah, it was nice content and all for fun. But you snowflakes with summit just won't get it

[@diyth]

@@ROFLWAFFLELAWL4But if he has to make a new character, then what difference does it make to kill his current one?

[@11sajad11]

The thing is that streamers believe that the game belongs to them. Gurubashi is gurubashi. If you jump in then live with the consequences. I see so many streamers killing low level people in gurubashi, but when the streamers do an "event" there, is the gurubashi arena closed to all other players? The high level dude did what ALL high level people have done since the gurubashi arena existed. LOW LVL KILLING PEOPLE IS PART OF GURUBASHI!

[@johnwalker3602]

The lvl 60 is not random lvl 60. That would be fair play. The lvl 60 is part of the guild, which makes in an execution by guild instead of letting the rest of the server decide his fate by trial of combat.

[@vhaelen326]

@@johnwalker3602 not an execution by the GUILD which would mean that SODA as guild leader went to zeroji and told him "i want you to go in there and kill him, THATS AN ORDER" but that didnt happen, the troll faction within the guild decided they would take care of sequisha that was well within the rules of the punishment

[@Auntiebels]

​@johnwalker3602 It was never intended to be anything but him getting killed. Whether a 60 went in to safely end it or not it was for him to fight his last fight. If that involved some kills great if it involved being 2 shot that's what it is. Being mad about it is just a waste of energy considering he put himself in that position and got content the initial rules said he should not have gotten.

[@berzerrk6513]

@@vhaelen326 That's exactly what happened though... soda even said it in this video. They all went into discord and planned it out since nobody wanted to fight and potentially lose their character. They talked zeroji into doing it which I'm guessing it didn't take much since he is a beyond experienced player. Soda even admitted to actually being one of the people to plan it and he is the guild leader... So word for word that is exactly what they did, a guild execution. I'm also fine with him dying and honestly wanted it but I find it strange that in a supposed "rp" you would go out of discord and plan something with one of the highest rated wow players in the guild just to force the outcome you want for the situation...

[@vhaelen326]

@@berzerrk6513 there is literally a clip in one of the related videos where soda is on the way to the arena where vei calls soda to tell him "we trolls wanna send zeroji in to kill sequisha" thats not planning that is asking for permission which is very different, i never said NO ONE planned to do this im saying SODA didnt plan to do this

[@bungodunko4123]

While I don't agree with summit I think the reason this argument went in a circle is cause summit isn't saying what he means. He is mad that the result of him cheating was a death sentence rather than a competitive match that the cheater had a chance of winning. It's a fundamental disagreement with the SSF guild ruleset and tbh he shouldn't be playing if that's the case.

[@jeremykothe2847]

I don't think he truly understands the point. The dude cheated, Summit is like "casual, rules don't matter".

[@warmanreaper]

The problem isn't that it wasn't a competitive match, its that they said he had a chance, and a preplanned execution using a 60 entering the arena means theres 0 chance at all.

[@warmanreaper]

@@jeremykothe2847 I dont think you truly even watched the video. Summit was fine with him dying, the problem is that the 60 quite literally removes all possibility and counterplay, ontop of the fact that the 60 only went in cause the trolls told him to go in. (Summit quite literally says it was a cool event... until the 60 came in and 2 shot him with 0 counterplay..)

[@jeremykothe2847]

@@warmanreaper I've watched about four videos of it now, and still think Summit is just on the wrong track. Do we want to watch them all buy gold and cheat again? If not, people who cheat need to be held to account. Xaryu made Soda take his gold before he went in as well, since otherwise if he didn't die then the wrong lesson would be learned. The notion of "send in an equal level champion" is just naïve. Do cops strip naked to arrest a naked man? The Arena is open to all levels, nobody thought the higher levels wouldn't be the ones making the "final decision". The vast majority of people wanted to see him punished, and he got TONS of views from it. I haven't heard him complaining about it, he says himself at the end "I was always dead in there anyway". He got to kill some lower levers first. What do Summit/you expect the punishment for breaking guild rules to be? He obviously could have left the guild if he wanted to. Frankly, I expect others are jealous of the attention he got for this, and I would not be shocked if it encourages others to cheat and intentionally get caught already. This is their job

[@peppermint3808]

He had no chance at winning, anyone who thinks he walks out of their alive are RETARDED

[@midokotwow]

Dude cheated, shouldnt have his character, end of story. Lucky he's even allowed to be in the guild still at all. Anyone saying or worrying about anything else is a window licker

[@Creampanthers]

Yeah I honestly don’t get why summit is arguing the “taking 60 hours” thing. The guy cheated…plain and simple lol.

[@frostfireee28]

This, no sympathy for blatant cheating. I support the level 60 taking out the trash

[@edih7132]

Incorrect. He should have made him delete the character right away. As soon as Soda changed the rules to give him a chance in the arena, the whole losing your character for cheating is out the window. That was bad taste and I absolutely agree with Summit. You're retarded.

[@FazeParticles]

@@frostfireee28 blatant cheaters are scum. good on the sweat taking out the trash.

[@anthonyfaiell3263]

What's wrong with licking windows?

[@orik48]

Does summit not understand the alternative was him just deleting his character? He cheated. He was out of the guild or die. Instead of dying off screen he got to do a fun event before being executed.

[@frappervin3042]

i dont think you know what the options was

[@demon3203]

@@frappervin3042 That is litterally the options stated by soda in the video. It was also stated by soda prior to all this happening. If you cheat in the guild you have only two options. You either delete and start over. This allows you to keep making content, but doesn't ruin the integrity of the guild. OR you get kicked and you can do your own hardcore wow thing that probably no one cares about because you're just doing what all the wow streamers have been doing for a long time now. Nothing new. Then he got the arena thing which he really shouldn't of even gotten in all honesty and died. Who the fuck cares. The result for him was basically the same and also WHO FORCED HIM INTO THE ARENA. People are acting like he walked into the arena being told that nothing will happen and they won't allow his character to die. No one fucking said that. He went in knowing full well his character at MINIMUM could die. Because its the arena too, a fucking viewer or random could of just done the same thing to him. Why are we pretending like the arena is not the arena. Prior to this there is a death clip of a low level dude trying to loot the chest and a max level rogue appears out of nowhere and kills his HC character. THAT CAN HAPPEN TO ANYONE WHEN YOU WALK INTO THE ARENA! and it can be done by anyone in guild or not.

[@frappervin3042]

@@demon3203 no he had the option to have a debuff but he passed it to do the arena did you not watch his talk before this event? was saying he had 3 options

[@WrestleGermainia]

@@frappervin3042 That's literally what the options were. Soda was going to make him delete his character but Mizkif came up with this idea, Soda even put it down to 10 mins instead of 30. I think even giving him a chance to keep his character and stay in the guild was pretty lenient.

[@frappervin3042]

@@WrestleGermainia he was given the option to have a debuff too but he choose the arena and went out swinging and good for him but he was given the option to have the debuff so there was 3 options

[@Addictnator]

Sequisha was destined to die because he cheated. Die in arena or by fall damage. They made it as a fun event and it was, good content. Would it have been more fun if it was equal level who took the life of Sequisha ? Yes Apparently noone had the balls, so Zeroji took the matters in his own hands backed up by Trolls. Let the RP racism start!

[@pricelesschip6360]

yeah but its so dumb to think about what summit is saying. basically a lvl 40 or wtv cheated and he HAD to die but they made content out of it with the arena. Should a lvl 60 kill him and make some funny content that they executed him (yes) Or should they send 3 lvl 40's or wtv and possibly let them die and make them LOSE THEIR TIME AS WELL even though they DID NOT cheat ??? like i dont undestand summits logic at all

[@cyne122]

All this Drama does is Rob future fun events. It should have been made clear, "No matter what event we do or not do, you have 2 options: Leave, or die and restart."

[@Tyrvana]

I swear people don't even listen to themselves, its like blud hit someone with their fist and suddenly everyone wants to hang the person.

[@TheJakebriscoe]

@@Addictnator was actually crazy content to see. I’ve never seen something like this, and it bums me out because now they’re never gonna do it again because summit caused so much drama and sent so much hate

[@lavarelease2928]

My only issue is I think it is just a dumb rule in general

[@EsetNarci]

Making this an event was the biggest mistake. This just degenerates everything to be honest. Goes against his own principle he made: there will be no content farming from cheating. Shit show.

[@RaPiDzFuZZioN]

absolutely. and soda doesn't even care 😂like summit is the prob

[@tricktop9064]

It’s not the punishment it’s the lack of honor by the other guy he is mad about

[@andrelastname1992]

Oh, so the executioner gotta be honorable to the cheating guy? Am I hearing this right?

[@tricktop9064]

@ It’s the fact that he didn’t have to be the executioner he chose to be

[@lyndioncumbion7055]

@@tricktop9064 The trolls made him the executioner. The arena was for his death, not a fair duel. Its death or gkick, he chose death and he died, simple as that.

[@tricktop9064]

@@lyndioncumbion7055 well a lot of people see it definitely

[@Kassadinftw]

@@tricktop9064 There's nothing wrong with him choosing to be, the wrong was the cheating. Cheating >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lvl 60 killing 38 cheater.

[@Maybenice86]

"You cheated, you gonna die" Why is everyone getting mad at the executioner? Better let everybody else who didnt cheat risk their progress so the cheater doesnt fall alone? Summit used to be cool but damn his ego really got in the way of thinking. Sequisha should just have gone in the arena, kneel down, speak his last words and be honorful and take the deserved punishment. Rest of the people getting mad, stay away from anything rp related/hc related thanks.

[@Lumbermill-wow]

It was a lot of fun to watch the community try and navigate the situation until a literal who sweat lord killed the cheater. It was anti climatic and put some one into focus that didn't even want to be there in the first place. It's almost like the cheater spent 30+ hours to inflate the clout of a speed leveler, feels bad. If cheating is that big of a deal to the folks in onlyfangs they should of been willing to stand their ground, not call in the AoE farmer mage. They probably shouldnt even of glorified cheating with the event, but it was fun. so what ever.

[@midokotwow]

Fr, i mean it is on the individuals for jumping in, i do admit. But the fact that there was even a chance of other people losing their characters to begin with bc of this guy cheating is kinda wild. "It should have been a fair fight" argument is so entitled its crazy

[@nop384]

@@Lumbermill-wow you don’t even know what you’re talking about for starters he’s a hunter, not a mage

[@Meeces55]

RP isn't having a level 60 2 shot a level 30. That's just greifing

[@johankaku]

Yeah he is not mad about the cheating he is rather mad about the cheater getting pounded 😅

[@John-lw7bz]

He took his own 60 hours. He was either going to die from soda saying delete you shit, leave the guild, or go to the arena and 99.999% die.

[@GeejMusic]

I don't understand how Summit can't understand this. He isn't a dumb guy. This makes so sense

[@John-lw7bz]

@ it has to be a “streamer play dumb” routine. But apparently people that watch summit have said he’s like this in many games. Might as well just be a dumbass then if people think you are.

[@SHRI3K3R]

Or, summit can have his own opinion

[@John-lw7bz]

@ why would he hammer on the time spent by the cheater? He’s connected two things that are disconnected. Everyone sees how irrational it is and is justified in their hate. It’s like you crashed a car that’s a total write off and someone comes to clean up the crash and does 0.0001% more damage to the car and you’re like “I can’t believe this cleanup guy. Fucking piece of shit… wow. I would never let him pick up another 4000 pieces of plastic and metal off the roadside” what a fucking idiot. I’ve ever watched summit and I never will. Angry short guy energy. There’s nothing with being short but you know exactly the type of people that give off the vibe that they hate themselves and others. I had to google it now. I didn’t even know his height before this. I just felt the vibes.

[@paytonnorrod6683]

idk why summit's letting the sweat vs casual thing get in the way of a fun way to kill a cheating character, especially when the rule was to gkick without question. This whole thing was mercy on Sequisha from the beginning and regardless of the outcome. Soda probably hit the nail on the head when he brought up sum's mental space, because none of this makes sense from summit's perspective - even after watching the full vods. It comes across as jealousy over the attention Zeroji is getting, or he's mad because he likes sequisha and doesn't like seeing him being killed as content. Rare L from sum here

[@Delicioushashbrowns]

The sweat vs casual thing is so stupid lmao summit is talking to the sweat that made the guild who is punishing a sweat that got caught cheating Summit is unfortunately brain dead

[@moesback]

nah its pretty clear I dont understand how soda didnt see summit's pov, I'll give an example as to how summit sees this. You are in school and see a fight going down(everyone knew there was going to be a fight) fist to fist could be a senior vs a freshman but its gonna be fist to fist, psych some jock just walked up and one tapped them with a baseball bat. This has been my story time

[@sci-figameguy8241]

​@@moesback Your analogy doesnt make sense at all, we're not talking about real life people bullying someone younger than them, we're talking about a guy cheating in a game, where he AGREED to the group he was playing with, that if he cheated, he would literally be KICKED OUT of the group without another word about him. Soda was nice enough to negotiate down to just letting him restart his character but stay in the guild He was EVEN NICER by making it a fun event for everyone, Sequesha's character was SUPPOSED TO BE DELETED, he wasn't supposed to walk out of this alive. Summit fans are such dumb fucks lmao I swear dont bother replying to this btw I muted comment notifications from this video because since I'm right I should have the last word, happy to have taught you, you're welcome :)

[@danielramirez7103]

@@moesback Bro, are you actually this stupid? This situation is more like, a criminal is gonna get caught but Summit is mad the cops showed up instead of a random John fighting it out 1 on 1. The cheater got this to make a fun event out of the first cheater being caught, not to please your 1vs1 fantasy. The problem with other lvl 37´s going down to fight him is that they have to risk their characters that have done nothing wrong to deal with a cheater, no one wanted to do that so we got this situation. Also the cheater(lvl37) killed 3 under lvls, but then you realize he had a (lvl44)rogue helping him and that just diminishes, if this was a fair fight he would have died 4 mins in.

[@Extremexboxplayer]

​@moesback a lvl 60 killing him doesn't matter because his punishment was to die or lose his gear and then miz said to have him die in the arena. No matter what cheaters die. He wasn't getting off without losing items or the whole character.

[@Shrowan]

"I love the punishment" "He shouldn't have taken those 60 hours away." my brother in Christ taking the 60 hours away was the punishment. His only real beef was the fact that Zeroji did it, as if that has an impact in the slightest on those 60 hours being gone which is what he claims his problem with it was.

[@mech1464]

Summit needs to chill tf out. His argument is based on taking 60 hours away from someone. He lost those hours the second he KNOWINGLY turned his addon off and cheated. It was that action that killed his character

[@Ardious]

And 'lost' is a strong word. The character doesn't disappear, and you can keep playing it on pve realm.

[@SEnergyable]

his whole argument is complete nonsense... by his logic, if someone gets to lvl 50, spending 100+ hours leveling, he should be able to cheat to 60, because "muh 100 hours spent Q_Q" ... he's a little bitchboy for real

[@apensalesman]

Yeah, originally Soda they'd they just kick them from the guild for cheating. No 2nd chances. Like making a guy restart for actively cheating and giving him a chance for more content is a blessing. But Summit is going: "BUT HOW COULD YOU STEAL 60 HOURS!?!?!?!?!" Like BRUH, those hours were gone anyways

[@xMrMayhemx]

his argument is based on taking off 60 hours of someone's time but at the same time he's saying the punishment was ok. i don't understand what he's trying to say even... how can that guy think all of this combined? A: death sentence = ok B: event = cool C: zeroji carrying out death sentence = douchebag???? huh? like A & B are like the exact opposite of C. i don't understand...

[@Gunvald85]

Soda is a clown, why does anyone want to join his guild 😂

[@boredghoul_11]

Every summit watcher knows he does this in all the games he plays lol

[@VGBriteOG]

For real lmao

[@TheJakebriscoe]

Yep. Never ending loop

[@dmoney_pimpslap]

Body of a man, but temperament and mind of a child. Embarrassing, actually.

[@faza3798]

Yep lmao

[@_Travey]

Does he really? I always see him act chill

[@Settings_YouTube-1]

OK Full story time. Go listen to Sequisha vod while he is waiting in the Arena. The whole Undead voice call is there discussing how they are going to kill Zeroji with their entire raid and that they have him marked as a skull along with another troll player as a "X". They said MULTIPLE time in the chat "Yeah we can use this to get points". Obviously people told Zeroji this plan (who was not going to go in and was there just to watch). Zeroji chat lit up with people saying they are going to kill you. They want you bad etc. Zeroji, with brass balls, who is not a B!TCH said F-it I'll go in and make another character. He expected FULLY to be jumped. END Rant.

[@FirenTwitch]

Thanks for the full context. Soda mentions that shortly after the call. 21:15 - 21:36, just some stuff left out since he didn't see the VOD

[@RololoTheOneAndOnly]

..and the undeads chickened out and now they are mad.

[@ranzatoo]

We gotta give the undead credit for their rp in that case, plotting against the rest of the horde is definitely in the nature of the Forsaken

[@Tyzen7]

He's level 60, it wouldn't matter anyway

[@Settings_YouTube-1]

@@Tyzen7 20-30 player raid single targeting a shit geared 60...yeah he would stand ZERO chance. He's dead. The Undead were just all talk being hard in voice chat and did NOTHING. They just let Zeroji walk out after all that talk with him fully expecting to get jumped and dying.

[@jolienewashington342]

You have a bunch of people who made a career out of being the loudest people in the room, who all are 30+, and never got of the internet - never got punched in the face by acting obnoxious. And when you put them all together, they will EAT EACHOTHER. Listening to a discord of all of them is like hearing children in elementary school. All screaming over each, all talking over each other. The only thing thats missing here is xqc, screaming.

[@TunaTales]

Well said!

[@YeIsCorrect]

its like the wow version of a reality show but its super raw like fishtank(24/7 online reality show). love it. noticed with fishtank it can really get to the conductors head even tho everything is actually chill so hopefully soda can hold it together.

[@malte4984]

ur overexaggerating, people act obnoxious even if there is a threat of being punched, sure streamers are babies but content is king at the end of the day and none of this is that serious

[@myaccount__7269]

Don’t forget to add most are multi- millionaires and spoiled

[@kaicrodrigues2578]

yes i agree with what u said, but at the same time if u dont like how streamer act why are u even here ?

[@Floofermancer]

i'll never forget the time summit rage quit gw2 after getting his ass rolled in pvp and banned people who said he didn't take time to learn mechanics

[@zoroark522]

Seems like Summit hated the severity of the punishment, being needing to delete the character entirely, because even though it was cheating and he deserved a punishment, the server is meant to be more casual and it's being treated like this is a life or death scenario. Half hate cheaters, and the other half dislike the severity, since the punishment didn't fit the crime. I think deleting the character is fine because it sets an example of "if you break the rules, no matter how small, you will be severely punished", which is important in a server of children where people will gladly start drama if it means more popularity.

[@gigawide]

GTA RP did this to summit, he thinks if everything isn't an even playing field its wrong no matter what. The problem with that is this was never meant to be an even playing field, Sequisha went OUT OF HIS WAY to cheat the system and in all honesty he should have been Gkicked and not allowed to participate with the onlyfangs content anylonger but because Soda is a good guy Sequisha got a little bit of favoritism and got off the hook with a more soft punishment.

[@erich1380]

I don't fully agree because sending a 60 on him is the same as him being told to delete his character. Permanently kicking him out of the guild instead is definitely a discussion though

[@kaicrodrigues2578]

yea summit being so loud about this only makes me think he is also cheating and trying to find a way out now

[@StoneislandYT]

@@erich1380 Bro what about the 45 rogue literally body guarding the cheater. Send in the 60, null and void the 45 rogue, call it a day. Who cares, dude blatantly cheated, got caught. I don’t see how this affects anyone else but the cheater. Nuff crying.

[@erich1380]

@StoneislandYT nobody cares that he died for it, they care that it just insta ruined the event with no possible recourse. It's like walking into a meeting and ripping a wicked fart then sitting down and wondering why everyone is looking at you

[@StoneislandYT]

@ Bro it wasn’t instant, dude was literally in the arena for almost over 5mins just being guarded by a 45 rogue that wasn’t even in the guild. That’s a fucking snoozefest. The cheater should’ve been perma gkicked and made an example out of. He literally turned off the only fangs addon, used to the auction house, turned it back on after collecting gold from the mail, got caught, and then lied his way outta the gkick and Soda allowed it because Miz and Sods wanted to use his death for content. It’s the guild’s right to hold one another accountable, they’re also part of the server. And if I had to follow arbitrary rules put in place, and someone else decided to abuse the system to not follow them while the vast majority are, I would’ve jumped in and nuked him immediately if I was part of his guild and already hit 60.

[@chandothemando]

This is just what summit does when you don't have a fair shot at winning. He's hyper competitive and it doesn't matter if the punishment fits the crime or not, people have to have a fair shot at winning. Someone could kill 30 people in a mall and summit will crash out if more cops show up than the criminal can handle. He sees it as an injustice above all injustices. Let's be honest, the dude cheated and deserved to be dropped from the event. He spent 60 hours cheating and gaining an advantage over other people, putting the entire event's integrity at risk. He deserved to have his character killed, get kicked from the event, and for him to not get invited to future events. Getting an IN-GAME punishment and no IRL repercussions outside of having to restart the game is crazy lenient.

[@klizzard5166]

you are sick in the head

[@Ludonomics]

I think summit just hates being the casual when he used to be at the top for cs.

[@HaileN]

Your comparison of the mall scenario made me cackle

[@callumholland8932]

​​​@@Ludonomicsnah lol he's had the same stance for years atleast he's constant, summit just doesn't like people getting their time wasted, Gta 2 years ago someone was banned for cheating in races and he done the exact same in defence of him... He's always been adamant on that, it's real life consequences for pixels bud and most these comments are beyond embarrassing

[@Sumppa]

@@callumholland8932 summit would prolly unban all sport athletes who cheated because they spend 2000 hours to get in their position

[@SenatorDodo09]

Wait so what im gathering: Sequisha cheats by disabling the OnlyFangs addon and selling bags on the AH Claims for bag space which Soda seems okay with so he lets him off with "kill character start over" Mizkif comes up with the idea that Sequisha sits in gurubashi arena and everyone watches to see if anyone kills him (and if he doesnt get killed, a guildie kills him) The trolls send in a champion Zeroji, who is a speed leveler and level 60 to kill Sequisha Undead get together as a raid and discuss killing Zeroji in the arena Zeroji learns of this and goes in expecting to die but kills Sequisha Undead dont end up doing their raid People are mad that they sent in a level 60 instead of a lower level Especially Summit for some reason who just seems to be missing information This seems correct kzbin.info/www/bejne/baGVnHmCjNGhh68 Heres context video This shit be confusing mon

[@jamesn4867]

so Sequisha cheated yes. saying he was going to use AH bank as item holder. Punishment was going to be make him kill his char and start over. Mizkif was like make him go to the arena and stay in there for like 10 mins. if he lives he lives. if server kills them they made their decision. Everyone is watching but trolls plan beforehand to make sure he dies. Zeroji is who they decided to do it cause nobody else wants to die cause of another characters punishment. Zerojis insta kills and gets out. Summit is mad a lvl 60 did it instead of a bunch of lvl 40s even though anyone who goes in the pit is free for all. so even going in with allies you can kill each other.

[@Meeces55]

​@@jamesn4867Trolls have projection issues, they hate cheaters because they've had like 3 high ranking members take coward debuffs.

[@TheJakebriscoe]

@@SenatorDodo09 nice summation

[@sci-figameguy8241]

@@Meeces55 Lol you're just mad, its a different event this year, and the trolls are following the rules and not cheating, so its not projection, its them obeying the rules, they're even being extremely generous by letting him stay in the guild and making his cheating punishment at least be entertaining

[@toph_toff974]

summit is always mad and sad.

[@mariomolnar3184]

Summit just expected a fair shot at redemption, which the dude did not get. But at no point was it promised that others will not jump in from the guild to kill the cheater for the lore

[@Sumppa]

what was that fair shot? that he can kill same level players until 10 minute is up? nah, that was never said. only fair part was that he was given a chance to survive 10 minutes, thats all. There were 150 people waiting for him to die. Most didn't go down because they didn't wanna die

[@barkingwendigo]

"I'm hearing you on your stream and you're real upset. I get it and I want you to talk just bluntly, let's just clear the air and let's... go ahead tell me how you feel and I'll tell you why you're wrong." Not a great way to start a civil discussion with someone...

[@brotherbode]

Summit is crying more than the person who died

[@drewwil891]

Yeah he’s a weirdo

[@Themasterslayer44]

@@drewwil891 its ok drew keep wasting time on pixels

[@odamnitssam]

Hardcore into intense for anyone under 4’11”

[@user-ks2ly2eh5m]

Like always, but he has a point, still didn't have to whine so long about it lol

[@HeK.]

@@user-ks2ly2eh5m No, he has no point. He's completely wrong. Sequisha should've been kicked immediately and honestly Summit as well for insulting and harassing Zeroji.

[@_Malvar]

his punishment was death by combat. he was sentenced to death. nobody else wanted to play the executioner role so zeroji finished the job. he could've been kicked. but no. they let him stay in.

[@vhaelen326]

bear in mind there were talks/plans of an ARMY OF UNDEAD jumping in to defend sequisha or to kill zeroji and 20 people between level 20 and 40 would definitly kill zeroji and he STILL went in there to do his job

[@PocoYZ]

yeah thats why you cant change up rules and let some bypass the rules. Rule was Guild Kick thats it. Sure way better content but you get this lol

[@wardtf2]

Why does summit always find the strangest hills to die on. He does this for everything.

[@Sas-ym4gg]

an easy excuse

[@TheJakebriscoe]

@@wardtf2 lol

[@FeuxMocha]

This is just like when he crashed out because OTT made too much money playing poker in GTA. Dude is way too invested in video games.

[@zippo718]

He has some kind of victim/injustice complex. In his mind the level 60 will forever be the big bad evil bully that preyed on this helpless little ''casual'' and no amount of facts or reason will change that. It's honestly kind of scary how nothing will get through to him.

[@Sas-ym4gg]

@ yeah - seems like it. Imagine him experiencing STV on a PvP server lol

[@RaimaNd]

I understand both points. Yes soda gave him a chance, didn't kick him and even when he would die he can still stay in the group and level again. I can also understand summit because it isn't even an actual event if a lvl 60 jumps into the arena and the cheater dies anyway. If that was what you wanted then you could've told the cheater to start again from the get go.

[@zoneseek81]

Summit's view is from a PVP player's point of view. It's a bit of a serious stance to take given the circumstances, however. Not worth the emotion involved.

[@KryptonixYT]

Sequisha was going to die anyway to restart, that's his punishment. Why does it matter if a level 60 did it or he just jumped off a cliff? Summit seems pissed that 60 hours was stolen from Sequisha for leveling, but that 60 hours was going to be taken away ANYWAY, no matter how he died. That was his punishment. Ive always liked summit but I don't understand his argument/why he got SO heated over this. EDIT: I was only listening to the video the first time, but after rewatching, he DID kill people in the arena, which makes it even worse that people died for his punishment,

[@gaspara9817]

I don't get Summit's argument about playtime and casuals but I think it was stupid because they broke their own rule of not turning cheaters into content, came up with an interesting idea for that content that gave him a chance survive then they convinced the max level to go be the executioner and end it by himself in an instant ruining the content they broke their own rule for.

[@KryptonixYT]

@@gaspara9817 Yea I agree with the content thing, they should have just not done content at all in my opinion. But even so, in the end, the punishment is the punishment. And if Sequisha HAD somehow survived, or even killed even just ONE person, the the argument would be "He should have never had a chance" or "Why did X person have to die for Sequisha's punishment" It was a lose/lose from the start. In the future I hope they just don't do content at all. Just handle it behind the scenes and move on.

[@johnwalker3602]

@@KryptonixYT Noone had to die for his punishment. They chose to fight him for possibility of their win getting clipped. That's the whole point of throwing him into the arena for 10 minutes and letting the rest of the server decide his fate. That's fuking genius content and very in line with what horde believes in. Changing it into execution by guild 5 minutes into the trial however broke the RP. Trolls fucked up.

[@cynical_boy]

He was not leaving alive of the arena, the "chance" to survive was an illusion

[@sci-figameguy8241]

I'm still trying to figure out why Summit is so mad lmao he's making no fucking sense

[@Conical187]

He’s very jealous about the easy clout that the lv 60 hunter got that day. It’s not obvious to you?

[@anonymousanonym450]

@@Conical187 regard take

[@callumholland8932]

​​@@Conical187 lol at least he has always had this stance, you know he's never been a fan of real life consequences for pixels and that's just simply it, all you baby's in here are so jealous of a million bucks your feral

[@peppermint3808]

He go's on about him dying is justice, but then cries about that the guys 60 hours being gone because the 60 killed him....like what the hell is he projecting, contradicting about?

[@Sumppa]

@@Conical187 yeah, summit haven't gotten any clout yet with onlyfangs. Causing drama out of nothing will do it for him

[@Christian_Bagger]

So… in reality he should’ve deleted his character. He gets a chance in the arena if he can stand there for 10 minutes. It’s very implicit that everything goes. If the whole guild wanna jump him, then so be it. If a level 60 is gonna jump him, then so be it. That’s the punishment. Then don’t cheat and it won’t happen.

[@TheStarfishGaming]

I gotta say i agree with summit on this why would they pretend to give him a chance and then pressure a dude that they knew would kill him to go in there and end him and like 4 other people. They didnt just ruin that cheaters game other people got punished

[@danr3131]

I agree with tyler1. He cheated, fuck his 60 hours. Wish it had been 100.

[@Sumppa]

wish it was 1000, more the better for cheater. If you take steroids in 100m dash and get caught, nobody cares how many hours you put in. You are out for years

[@Valdericht]

Near-40 year olds caring far too much.

[@adverteasing]

Welcome to earth.

[@dragansokolovic4437]

Goes both ways

[@SalsaRimjob]

​@@dragansokolovic4437 you need some reading glasses mon 😂

[@palerider8410]

Holy crap summit out here sounding so dumb. He made me want to pull my hair out.

[@MrRjizz]

I mean he makes a fair point however he's not explaining his point well. in essence soda argues that it was a guild decision and that zeroji didn't have a choices in the matter and bear no responsibility. Summit argues that even with peer pressure the person has a choice in jumping in or not at making the choice of jumping didnt sit well with summit

[@bathtoasters582]

@@MrRjizz yeah but the guy cheated so why does it matter if its fair or not? Also getting that mad over someone killing someone else in a 20 year old video game as 40 year old man is really pathetic lmao

[@noahleblanc7417]

@@MrRjizz cheat = death from the start. soda only mess up was making a event and not just kicking him from the start. That was a rule from the start and summit thinks that 60 hour = I can cheat and risk other non cheater characters.

[@HeK.]

@@MrRjizz Sequisha wasn't meant to survive this event or continue on with this character afterward.

[@MrRjizz]

@@bathtoasters582 1. its not my argument i dont care either way, i can see being upset about it if you are a very competitive however i think summit went a bit over the line here. Second him cheating=death is kinda irrelevant in the context of summit being upset. given that it was supposed to be a challenge otherwise whats the point in the time limit they set?

[@TheJakebriscoe]

Heres the thing . Summit just ruined great content , now they won’t do something like this again because of all the hate summits sent

[@moforyguy6803]

I thought it was great content until a 60 jumped in and showed there was no chance of him getting out of this. He took on multiple higher levels. No 37 is beating a 60.

[@HeK.]

@@moforyguy6803 guys, we found a summit viewer. did you even watch the video and hear what soda said?

[@heathfeath9411]

@@moforyguy6803 The thing is he wasn't ever supposed to survive really. The guy cheated

[@kurtiskrejci723]

@@HeK.sodas a jackass lmao. He don’t gaf. Give that man your money.

[@kurtiskrejci723]

@@heathfeath9411the thing is, Soda said he could survive. Have a spine and delete the character and don’t tell him he has a “chance”

[@NamaeofLife]

The argument by Summit is that the punishment goes against his moral code. I don't know why so many people in the comments refuse to understand something so simple? It's like how you have people who support capital punishment and those that do not support it. For Summit, the cheating that Sequesha did should fit the punishment of dropping all of your items, not being forced to level over. That is the first part to his conjunctive argument. The second part is: a fight to the death among people in an arena in a way to prove oneself and redeem their status is fair. If he survives, he continues on. He learned his lesson, he got publicly humiliated, and he moves on. If he dies, then at least he went out with a bang. To be maxed out and be "peer pressured" or "have adrenaline" just removes autonomy from the person who made that decision to jump in. If someone gets "peer pressured" to shoot up a school, it doesn't detract that they are a shitty person who made that decision. None of those objections mean anything. They egged a guy on to completely remove Sequeshas chance of redeeming himself, after telling him he could redeem himself, and now that forces him to waste hour upon hour upon hour upon hour rebuilding. This does not mean Sequesha is innocent. These statements can all be true; rather, they are not mutually exclusive. If someone still does not understand go ahead and respond so I can break it down further to you. Nothing Summit said was wrong. It's just a disagreement on ethics.

[@Sumppa]

what about those higher level players like 45 rogue etc. protecting cheater inside the arena? preventing any ~lvl40 player jump in because they would get stunlocked and die? lvl60 was needed for the job and that happened. I understand the argument summit does here, but summit doesn't understand that it wasn't cheater mage alone. There were others, it wasn't fair in both ways

[@NamaeofLife]

@@Sumppa I agree with you 100%

[@TheCODMW2pwner]

Summits right that zeroji ruined it and should’ve let it play out until the last moment if he wasn’t already dead, then kill him at the last second for cheating. It was a great hardcore pvp event that would have went down in history had zeroji not 2 tapped the mage from the edge of the map the moment the event started.

[@Sumppa]

you obviously didn't watch the fight. There were 2 rogues protecting cheater mage before few others jumped down seconds before zeroji. There was lvl45 rogue behind mage protecting him at that point... It was never fair fight in either side and people didn't wanna go in because of those rogues

[@jentachs]

Bro they should have guild kicked him. Soda was actually super nice by letting him stay in the guild. He literally cheated... Why are so many defending him lol.

[@HeK.]

What a drama queen. Soda should've kicked Summit out of the guild for sending so much public hate towards Zeroji for no reason.

[@TheJakebriscoe]

@@HeK. honestly I’m a summit viewer I like summit, but in this situation, I think you might be right. That was crazy unwarranted personal insults over something summit was obviously uninformed about.

[@richman3424]

yeah the was he talked about zeroji a fellow streamer, a colleague if you will was gross. truly made a fool of himself, my jaw was on the floor during the discord call

[@FestivePump]

AHAHAHA SO FUNNY DUDE! He’s the drama queen? SODAPOOPIN called HIM! And caused all this back and fourth BS ON PURPOSE FOR CONTENT! 😂

[@keukkoeukko]

summit had his own opinion on the situation, soda made big deal about it.

[@divictus4835]

@@keukkoeukko soda made a big deal? brother, hop off summits dick for one second so you have enough blood going to your brain

[@RandyBoBandy654]

I don't think Summit is really mad about the cheater being punished, but how the punishment was carried out. If the whole idea was him having to make a new character because he cheated why even send him in the arena and make a big spectacle out of it? Especially if Soda said he wasn't making content out of cheaters. With that being said Summit did go a little too hard with his rants, but that also is another thing Soda has a problem with Summit saying stuff and just completely disregards the other guy who said basically the same thing and said it was fine and RP. I think Summit felt like he was being singled out which would explain why he doubled down in the call, and had such a problem with Soda trying to changed his opinion of Zeroji which was kind of weird for Soda to do.

[@HiImMrPopo]

Giving someone a chance to survive and defend himself and then sending someone that can't be beaten to one shot him is the definition of unfairness and power abuse, if he said to kill the character I would have been cool with that but if you propose something fair and then you say " he is not getting out of the arena" you are toying with a person giving him fake hopes and using your power to overpower the fair and lawfull decision.

[@barkingwendigo]

"matters can be discussed off stream" after calling Summit while he's streaming and proceeds to tell him he's upset and that he's wrong. Okay.

[@Crywastaken]

yea sequesha literally sold half the stuff he put up on the AH , sadly summit didn't know any of that

[@nop384]

He does he just doesn’t care

[@HeK.]

oh, summit knew. he's just babyraging for no reason

[@seanmurphy7953]

Soda is a "morality is based on the opinions of the group" kind of guy

[@Sumppa]

nah, you just didn't understand this whole thing. If there was a rule for this, then it would be morally wrong for lvl60 to execute a cheater, but there wasn't so it is whatever

[@seanmurphy7953]

@Sumppa do I did understand. All of the trolls told him to do it and so he did. He thinks he's some vigilante of the people and everyone thinks that's an excuse to do it. Pretty weird imo

[@riotmakr]

Summits point is that if you're not going to delete the guys character for cheating but are giving him a chance to stay alive by going to the arena then why would you allow someone that can 2 shot him go into the arena to kill the character? All this after Soda said they weren't going to make content from cheaters. The guy didn't get a fair chance to stay alive in the arena. So instead they created content from a cheater like soda said they weren't going to do. They should've just had the guy recreate a character. Summits the one keeping it real by calling them out for doing something they said they weren't going to do.

[@Sumppa]

because he was never supposed to survive, that was the point. Kurubashi is free far all arena. There are no level caps. How many people did cheater kill before he was killed? you do also understand that many people jumped to attack him seconds before zeroji opened fire. We all have our opinions, but facts are facts. Carry on

[@naosou921]

- First of all, this was an execution. Not a challenge or a trial. It was never meant to be fair or honorable. His death was guaranteed the moment he cheated. His options were: Death, guild kick or 72h debuff. He chose death. He was never going to be allowed to leave that arena alive. - Second, he had people protecting him in the arena too, so it is not like this was ever "fair" in the first place. - Third, the people his level stopped going in to kill him because of the other people protecting him. The 'sweatlord', had to go in because otherwise the cheater would get away with cheating, which can't be allowed. There was an entire crowd coming down the audience stand to murder him. His punishment was to die, after all. This was all as planned, the person involved agreed to, everyone had fun. It had been content. Then shit for brains summit had to come in and turn it all into some bullshit drama with his dumbass takes.

[@mmmaiamm3078]

​@@Sumppano they only jumped once zeroji jumped in brother go rewatch. Its literally the only reason that mass jump happened is because they knew zeroji was going in and was going to nuke him.

[@dj9733]

Just as brain dead of a take as summits

[@Wolta]

Didn't Sequisha choose one of the punishments Soda proposed to him? Seems pretty fair to me. Soda even called him up, talked about what he did wrong, told him what the punishments can and could be. Sequisha even said after his character died in the arena to the lvl 60 "I'm surprised it didn't happen sooner". Soda and Sequisha seemed content about it. Only the spectators are having issues with it. Like they're angry on his behalf even though he's not angry.

[@conot4006]

People saying they should have been evenly matched just aren't thinking it through. If I was a level 35 I'm not risking my character to punish a cheater. Summit's not going in there to punish him. It's easy to tell someone else to do the thing you aren't, yourself, willing to do.

[@Xtcii]

Summit is legit right. You all ruined a good thing with bad impulsive decision making. Going back on what you originally said. This is why Wow is always crap xD Cheating will become huge now because of this hype.

[@Sumppa]

nah, from now on cheaters will be kicked out of guild. so nothing happens

[@The4HorsePeaples]

@@Sumppa Hows that prediction gone for you bud? lmfao

[@zippo718]

Summit just going off on his initial overally emotional reaction based on 10% of the info and then quadrupling down on the lunacy.

[@whalescience8831]

Sequisha was going to lose the character either way if he wanted to stay in the guild. Either by killing it himself and rerolling or by taking his chances in the arena. That was the punishment for cheating. Ultimately he had the choice of staying in guild or moving on. No reason to be upset with anyone.

[@ThatOneGuyy]

So its the executiors fault for the crimes committed by the individual? Thats wild logic.

[@DistortedR6]

this is a argument with 2 people that have closed minds. "tell me how you feel, ill tell you why you are wrong". Summit- "i dont give a fuck"

[@OK.156]

Think summit didn't get the whole context and saw a level 60 kill a level 30 thinking he was supposed to have a chance, you should have giving him the clip of how it went down

[@Nkzta]

"Sober Summit not be wun of us mon" 😂

[@NinjinzuGames]

I hollered when he said that lolol

[@The4HorsePeaples]

Fucking ironic considering he literally admits to coming up with most of these rules sitting there high with vei. Also doesnt he live in texas? They dont mess around with that stuff there.

[@Nkzta]

@The4HorsePeaples have you tried crying harder?

[@dre8231]

Soda is a joke

[@colerelles5899]

I never played this game and this is all new to me. This seems like summit has a good argument and soda is just saying these guys “basically” told him to do it and it’s not clear what went on from sodas side. Saying “everyone’s STRESSED THE FUCK OUT” doesn’t mean anything and saying zeroji didn’t make the decision definitely doesn’t help.

[@rixxey2048]

it's clear by the end that Summit is mad that Sequisha's lvl 37 character was forfeit for cheating. Everything beyond that is an emotional/logical failing on his part to even understand the situation. Why would Summit be so stressed about a cheater losing their character when that was explicitly in the rules from the beginning... in fact he got off lightly because technically he could've been removed from the event entirely. Upset for no logical reason and misplacing the blame on the executioner and hiding behind the fallacious argument of "im allowed to dislike someone" as if that's even in contention. The reason why he doesn't like that person is nonsensical, that's the argument he lost and will continue to lose.

[@wastehazey6468]

"Do I have to like everyone??" No one said you had to.

[@vhaelen326]

"do i have to like everyone?" no but you cant be an absolute dick to them just because you dislike them...

[@rixxey2048]

yeah he's strawmanning hard with those arguments. "I'm allowed to have an opinion", "I don't have to like everyone", like buddy those are not the point xD

[@SpicyBlueBagel]

doesnt even matter who it was. the whole point was for the cheater to die in spectacular fashion. some people like summit just created this weird underdog fantasy where they wanted the cheater to survive

[@demon3203]

Which sucks, even more because for him to survive implies one of two things. Either no one wanted to even try and kill him because scared to lose their character which isn't a good representation of how the guild feels about the situation. OR he killed every non cheater who stepped up which means people are ACTUALLY playing the right way are losing all their hours put in all because this guy is cheating and ruining this entire event for everyone.

[@freakoutgaming1808]

Summit looked like a crabby old man that got upset for the sake of getting upset and when confronted with a logical answer to his debate just doubled down knowing he has no point to make. He literally just kept repeating his 60hour line and this guys a sweat line over and over like he was 80yrs old trying to remember why he's mad. Irony....the guy he was defending was a sweat and literally had to go into the game and turn off the add-on, posted items on the AH, and then turned off and covered up his stream to avoid detection.....that's as sweaty as you can get. Not only that he straight up lied to Soda when confronted saying it was for bag space when his entire mailbox was full of sold auction notices with gold attached. The fact he's still in the guild is amazing and Summit just looks like an old man sitting on his porch telling kids to get off the grass.

[@DeanSmith84]

Summit is upset because you gave that cheater the illusion that he had a fighting chance when in fact his fate was sealed anyway. He probably would have taken the stat debuff option if he knew this.

[@rixxey2048]

Summit makes it sound like he just disagrees with what the trolls decided to do as punishment, but that doesn't explain why he's so mad at Zeroji. This is like getting mad at the executioner for killing someone the king sentenced to death. He's just holding the axe brother why is he getting all the blame?

[@ataly2639]

I agree with summit, scummy to end an event that you made for the intent for content with a max level killing the level 30 then crying when Others dont agree with how this "event" went down and then trying to force your opinion onto Summit when Summit not once tried to force his opinion on you. Dumb shit bro.

[@n996h]

Womp womp. Sequisha shouldn’t have cheated and now we get to see all you retards and Sum cry as content. Thank you

[@Sumppa]

watch the video idiot, also watch the whole arena fight and you see there were higher level players protecting cheater mage. There was no choice but to send even more high level in. There were 2 rogues protecting mage. one was 45

[@rixxey2048]

you don't understand anything that happened here , you're just dick riding Summit. Go que CS.

[@m7mdronaldo7]

reminder summit is pushing 40 and acts like this 😂😂

[@kurtiskrejci723]

A man of principles?

[@drewwil891]

Wow that’s wild… acting like a 10yr old

[@jordan8199]

​@kurtiskrejci723 what principle lmao i wanna see you type it out and see what a dumb thing you're dickriding

[@keukkoeukko]

I mean he had is own opinion in his stream and soda wanted to make it public and keep ranting his nonsense, idk man..

[@NickT0193]

Idk how his gf deals with him

[@ChiiBomb]

SODA IS ONLY DEFENDING THIS SO HARD BECAUSE HIS ANNOYING CATFISH OF A GF CAME UP WITH THE IDEA FOR ZEROJI TO DO IT.

[@caliari9676]

sequesha's punishment wasn't fair fights, it was to jump in an arena and survive against ANYONE that wanted him dead and he failed. Thats it.

[@Chrispbacon636]

You don’t give a CHEATER!! “A fair shake” for this… you kill his character. The guy is lucky he at least got content while he died for cheating. Summit was a lil bch for crying over the cheater.

[@WengoYo]

People like this are the reason why some of the best guilds fell apart because of stupid drama

[@TexasRancher22]

tad cringe waiting until he had no mana and half hp to then jump in considering you have 30 lvl advantage

[@rixxey2048]

it's an execution not a duel, dumbass.

[@MoistYeti]

summits a washed cry baby

[@99ownage9]

Soda would never understand, all he did was go “delete your character “ to making content for someone killing his character with no chance of survival. He knew that and so did the lvl60, he should of just made him delete his character like he said from the start

[@jextergaming1423]

I watched summit so much growing up, and I loved it... i've seem him through GTA5,SOT,CSGO, and at some point it just felt like I grew up and he didn't. I hope someday he realizes how intilted he's being... we're all sitting here in a first world country playing video games and he still finds a way to be a professional victim.

[@BaconWTF]

So bald dude can rant but summit cant? Huh!?

[@vhaelen326]

sardaco did so "relatively" calm where as summit was ranting, name calling and causing hate to be thrown towards zeroji

[@Pablochette98]

If you are a casual player you should not be playing hardcore. It's not debatable.

[@Abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz1111]

its the whole point of this guild haha derrp

[@shaunbryden6829]

He has a personnel vendetta against zeroji....sum1 sounds jealous too me. Sequisha cheated.....to right his executioner shud have the ability to execute him

[@mmmaiamm3078]

Summit a multi millionaire air jealous of Zeroji? Lol give me a break brother you glazers love reaching hard. I don't even watch this crap but I can tell you the man isn't jealous of a neck bearded blokes who plays wow 24 hours a day.

[@willthedingo]

There is GOOD and BAD from the GTARP scene people like Summit. He's been around the people that were the biggest on No Pixel, where being sent to jail for THIRTY MINUTES felt like an absolute death sentence to their stream and their content. They'd get so mad and dumbly focused about voicing their opinions on how stupid it is to be "put in time out" that they'd be doing it themselves by going off on massive rants. I think what Summit was showing here was more GTARP / NoPixel PTSD vs actual hate for what happened. Because he agreed with the punishment, agreed that the guy was gonna die, agreed that people wouldn't want to risk their characters to be killed by someone that cheated, he just didn't agree that someone he sees as a "sweaty tryhard no life wow player" would be the one holding the axe. Exactly like how they'd rant about certain people playing the cop characters on NoPixel. It becomes personal, and it becomes OOC, and toxic as hell.

[@BobbysWorldGaming]

Summit is trying to explain he's a grown man and allowed to have his own opinions and feelings about the situation. He's allowed to not like someone.

[@dWoj0]

Is summit ok? The guys lucky to get to go again.

[@HeK.]

he's a drama queen

[@nulltheworm]

Summit can platform his friend, JoshOG, for years despite scamming kids out of CSGO skins/money, but morally postures over this? That's wild.

[@HixxyDubz]

The problem is that Soda made a rule of no cheating, thats fine, but he also made a rule of not making cheaters into content, Soda broke his rule too, it should have been nulled on both sides, but Soda's idea for Sequisha to fight for himself was good, the problem arises when a level 60 jumps in, it made the punishment unfun and not really content.

[@bong2dome]

bro he had a 45 rogue puppy guarding him lmao nobody who followed the rules wanted to risk their time

[@Sumppa]

did you watch the actual fight. There were people in the pit higher level than cheater protecting him. You really think ~lvl40 players are gonna jump there and die? no, Zeroji didn't the right thing and risked him own lvl60

[@JimmyReese-w9t]

I feel you bro. You play with honor and sportsmanship. My hats off to you. Sad fact is majority of peope who play honor is just a word to use when it is convenient.

[@tarrikgrigsby8452]

i mean soda DID say he wasnt going to make it a content fest, but he did...soda DID offer dude a way out...and completely went back on that decision by putting a dude he absolutely couldnt kill if he tried...i can see summits point...

[@kevinmccalister8197]

There is not a single reason to defend a cheater. Summit is the clueless kid he always is.

[@GeejMusic]

I really am trying to understand why he's so confused... Sequisha was just going to be forced to delete the character anyway for cheating, but they had a fun idea that at least gave him a CHANCE of surviving..

[@dragansokolovic4437]

@@GeejMusic You have just write the reason and you still cant understand "but they had a fun idea that at least gave him a CHANCE of surviving" and than they took that chance from him so they are bunch of pussies and liars and no morals. I do not give a shit about Summit or soda or that guys with mustache but if you say it will be like that than be a man and stick to your words.

[@Brezv]

Yall kids are missing the point why ever agree if that was the plan or “expected”, besides that the hours do matter and if he was supposed to have a fair chance to keep his character and then gloss over the whole agreement being shit on? Then to assume the fucking lvl 60 has no free will of his own is lWILD WORK, you don’t HAVE to jump in, he wanted to so he did chat got nothing to do with it, “stress” is his biggest excuse when you don’t even have to step foot in that arena unless you LITERALLY move yourself there ,so I see summits point, you kids need some perspective 60 hours is not casual and to be given a chance to save himself just to get screwed, is fucked and they all glossed over it besides a few. Soda is very disappointing

[@FestivePump]

Great take!

[@akiba7204]

This 1000%

[@f4ephilosophy691]

I think you are the kid missing the point. Sequisha cheated and was doomed to die, rather than just having him suicide Miz had the idea of making an event out of it. The idea was never to just let him off the hook and leave. 99% of people are not going to jump in and risk their equal level character to die with the chance at killing the cheater sentenced to death. You clearly recognize that 60 hour aint nothing but at the same time you want to hold the opinion that he should have been given a fair chance to live which only happens if he kills other people who put in equal time.

[@johnwalker3602]

@@f4ephilosophy691 You clearly underestimating people's willingness to kill a streamer. If this was announced days before people would have come strapped to the teeth with consumes and buffs just to kill him. Even now there were plenty who tried and by the end of 10 min he would have most likely been dead.

[@Ju1i77]

summit view makes more sense to me

[@vhaelen326]

soda put sequisha's fate up for EVERYONE in the guild/on the server to decide... that includes zeroji. soda didnt say "yeah go into the arena, i give you a fair chance" and then IMMEDIATLY go to zeroji like "hey have you heard yet? i send sequisha into the arena I ORDER YOU TO GO AND KILL HIM" he said "i give you a fair chance, go into the arena for 10 minutes, anyone is free to attack you, anyone is free to defend you but both will have to risk their character to do so" and no one was willing to risk their character to defend sequisha, but zeroji was willing to risk his character to kill sequisha

[@MrLocoMouse]

Fcuk zeroji what a douche and soda is a twat too gg wp id gquit fcuk em

[@stealthyturtles]

@@vhaelen326idk, popping FAP beast mastery pet, and popping all cooldowns at 60 doesn’t really seem like a risk for a hunter who’s standing right next to the stair case the entire time. The fucked up part to me is how Zeroji was chasing down other low levels and slaughtering them for no reason, when they were trying to have a fair fight amongst themselves. Those people risked their non-cheated characters for the glory and fun content, then zeroji jumps in and slaughters like 4-5 people. That was the really lame part

[@rogumann838]

I haven't heard Summit that physically mad in probably forever (he's actually breathing heavy to the point it sounds like he's almost about to start shaking). Why does he even care that much?

[@mattparks8434]

Yeah I don’t think Summit articulated his point well. I think his feeling is that if you’re going to make the call the sequisha gets the arena as a chance to survive, make it fair. It’s not about the cheating at that point it’s about the fact that if you make the call to give an out, don’t take away that out by sending in what is just a death sentence.

[@MaxiVera-p6m]

Soda starting to remind me of a cult leader.

[@blood794]

This makes zero sense

[@The4HorsePeaples]

@@blood794 It does now lmfao. Has cheated, allowed cheating without punishments, and has allowed for actual gkicking drama to unfold and you all still will defend him. CULT. I saw it when you idiots were defending him talking shit about that eastern european streamer for potentially "making women uncomfortable" because his youtube videos are crass when he is literally the guy who went around literally harrassing people irl and online for feet pictures and made much worse jokes than what was in the video he was watching. Or how about him trying to pull the bull of streamers being responsible for their audience and they should just sit there and play video games and not make waves when he literally had a DIRECTED harassment campaign against his ex Lea? Remember Luck Fea? Like you cant see it cause your in it chief.

[@arthurlul]

im not gonna lie i agree with summit, he makes a good point. what was the point of making it a challenge of surviving for 15 minutes if they just planned to kill him with a 60 from the very beginning? it was kinda pathetic tbh.

[@vhaelen326]

you seem to have some sort of misunderstanding, they are all part of the same guild but all the factions in the guild are their own entity, as guild leader soda decided that sequisha needs a punishment for cheating and he DID give him a way out SODA didnt sent zeroji, SODA didnt send anyone, the TROLLS did let me put it into perspective: you and i are having a heated argument and you say "im afraid if i tell you my opinion youre gonna punch me" and then i say "i promise you no matter what you say, i WONT hit you" so you tell your opinion and a 3rd person who listened to the argument decides to punch you, it was his decision, i didnt talk to him about it, i didnt tell him to do it, HE DECIDED to do it by himself, did i break my promise? no i didnt because 1. i didnt punch you 2. i didnt plan or scheme for you to be punched 3. i didnt tell the guy to punch you

[@Xiaara_Quala]

How is he making a point? the punishment was "stand in the arena and see if anyone kills him, let the server decide" well someone went in and killed him, lots of people actually. Summit is just making up some rule of his own that a lvl 60 was not allowed to be part of it. This was never a rule, that is why it is the arena and not a Mak'gora.

[@GlitchBomb]

Summit is right and Soda is losing it

[@FestivePump]

Notice how when summit makes fair points and opinions it leads to sodapoopin saying I guess we just move you out of the guild. He can’t even stand to talk someone with a differing opinion!

[@stealthyturtles]

@@FestivePumpI think summit is going a little overboard with it but I see his view, I’ve always thought Soda was a massive douchebag. Dude calls people idiots, retards, curses people out, just all forms of terrible social conduct. He seems like the type of guy who does that only in safe places and if he ever tried to do that in person and they checked him that he would buckle immediately. That’s what I don’t like, if you’re gonna be that way that’s fine if you back it up, soda doesn’t have a spine though.

[@CHOP874]

Soda is a cheater himself, he isn't fit to be a leader, he's letting it get to his head lmao