Open Bar #96 - Last Orders

Catching up on superchats from Open Bar 96.

[@dustydesertdisciple6290]

Dude I like it when its just Mauler and drinker more if im being honest. Yall are just great together, you can tell your really good friends. God bless you and your families guys, thanks for the laughs.

[@charliejbs2636]

I agree. I just want to the people on stream to be smart, true fans and not actual bigots/assholes. Little Platoon is good. Nerdrotic and Shadiversity are trash.

[@turtlebot323]

@@charliejbs2636since you are making extreme claims please back them up, how are they trash bigots other than the fact they hurt your feelings

[@charliejbs2636]

@@turtlebot323 They didn't hurt my feelings. All the proof I need is to point to their videos.

[@paulmelvin8427]

@@charliejbs2636gay

[@Raymaster7482]

I feel the same way. There are other guests I really enjoy like Robert Meyer Burnett or that one game developer. But I really hate it when they bring politics into it or just repeat what they TCD said in one of his recent reviews...

[@NotDeadYetJim]

This doesn’t feel like a “superchat catchup” stream at all. i enjoy these as much as the open bar itself.

[@dearthofdoohickeys4703]

Totally agree with Mauler about jump scares. They’re the equivalent of a fart joke in a comedy.

[@morganseppy5180]

Trye creatives would save that power for the right moments

[@Zac_Frost]

Yeah. When done right, they're great, but they suck by and large lol.

[@paulmelvin8427]

Jaws. Jump scenes in that are good

[@SteveCossaboom]

Don't ever stop these Last Orders catchups @Drinker!! So good. They flesh out the previous stream so well, educational and hilarious too, Love 'em!!

[@SleepyFen]

Yasuke came over to Japan around 1580 as a slave to Jesuit missionaries who worked as both missionaries and chroniclers of the ongoing civil war. Oda Nobunaga took an interest in him on account of his size, strength and "ink-black" skin, and made him a retainer. 15 months later, Nobunaga died when Akechi Mitsuhide betrayed him, and history has it that Mitsuhide spared Yasuke on account of being "an animal who knows nothing". What happened to Yasuke after this is vague, but it is suggested that he might have returned to his old Jesuit acquaintances. Generally, Africans in Japan would've been pretty much non-existent outside of performing slave labor for merchants and monks, and any person who knew about the existence of people with dark skin would've likely had their opinions and knowledge of them influenced by the views of the slave owners. It is written that so many people wanted to see this black man that fighting broke out in the capital and several people were killed or injured. It is also written that Yasuke understood very little, if any Japanese, but he could perform tricks, which entertained Nobunaga. Much of the intricacies of Yasuke's relationship with the Japanese is lost to time, but it's likely that Yasuke was little more than a glorified circus curiosity, in the same vein that people of color were put on exhibitions in Europe. He didn't speak much, if any Japanese, and the amount of training he could've gotten as a samurai is extremely limited considering he was only employed for 15 months before his new lord died. He's popular in pop culture, but I don't think he's nearly as empowering of a character as people want him to be.

[@MediumRareOpinions]

Unfortunately the trend for historical cherry picking will continue as people search for examples from history to lend their current ideologies some measure of legitimacy.

[@samwallaceart288]

So basically a Pocahontas situation

[@SleepyFen]

@@samwallaceart288 basically people like to imagine a black samurai, but it's all fiction. I don't have an issue with featuring Yasuke in a game, but assassin's creed at least used to pride itself on somewhat authentic portrayals of historical settings, using fictional protagonists to explore and interact with historical figures to make the plot of the secret war somewhat grounded in reality. But so far it doesn't look like they're not even trying to make an effort to portray Yasuke faithfully. If they don't like the fact that Yasuke was likely just a curiosity to be shown off by the nobility of Japan at the time, then they shouldn't have used him. He was most likely about as far from a color swapped version of the "white savior" cliché as you can possibly get.

[@PeaceOrUtterDestruction]

Thanks for reading my superchat about Kirk, McCoy, or Spock. That’s the best answer I’ve ever heard for that question. Glad Mauler is enjoying Trek.

[@PeaceOrUtterDestruction]

Also, McCoy is the correct answer.

[@JackBurtonPCE1986]

Re: Scotty on Star Trek, he actually gets several episodes that spotlight him over the course of the original show. Love hearing Mauler really starting to become a Trek fan!

[@morganseppy5180]

I can't wait for him to watch all the meme episode. I'm going to be so happy if he responds with a "Darmok at Tinagra"

[@lonepigeon68]

Best comedy sketch show? As a Canadian, I'd have to throw "Kids in the Hall" into the mix.

[@piercedbylight]

and the grand-daddy of all of them: SCTV

[@THEGDB]

All-time underrated comedy sketch show ,also produced by Lauren Micheals from SNL

[@SumDumGy]

I enjoyed the short lived “The State.” Mad TV also had some fun times.

[@jeggsonvohees2201]

Something else to remember in a Kirk vs Picard enterprise battle is that Kirk is from a more militaristic time, so he conceivably has more combat experience.

[@TwoHanderVGC]

You guys answering those superchats twice was hilarious, and I'll always take more EFAP.

[@jimberjamber8540]

I still find it really funny that they're basing the new game in Japan, and didn't think to have you play as a *NINJA* in an *ASSASSINS CREED GAME*

[@andreasla6951]

What is this copy-paste thing I see? You do play as a Ninja. Did you even look the game up?

[@TheMajorBlazer]

The dynamic between Spock and Bones is the best. Operation: Make Mooler a Trekka

[@Cmdr_Sinclair_B5]

Yes, absolutely love the Spock & McCoy banter!

[@berserkasaurusrex4233]

Now to get him through the first season or so of DS9, to the Dominion War arc. That's the last time Star Trek was truly great.

[@playtime5234]

Trucking across America with you guys is awesome

[@dp2901]

That question of Sydney Sweeney or alcohol during the latest open bar was comedy genius. You gotta repost that Drinker!

[@aced4fun]

Hell I can listen to these two talk about Star Trek for hours man, that stuff is my childhood

[@slashum999]

Drinker & Mauler shooting the shyt on various topics, what more do you want?

[@JoshuaLevesque]

Thank you and cheers for getting to my missing member chat, man! And great Boss Nass head shake noise! 😂

[@morganseppy5180]

As a GenX, who grew up running home to watch the OG Star Trek at 3p, it gives me so much joy that MauLer is becoming a Treker (the original term in my mom's gen, trekkie is what we called ourselves)

[@story_monster]

I don't know if anyone has mentioned it yet, but the Twilight Zone airplane episode is loosely based on a short story by Roald Dahl called "The Gremlins," about an RAF pilot who has his plane chewed up by gremlins. Disney bought the rights to it in the 1940s, but the feature never made it past preproduction stage.

[@OutsideTheTargetDemographic]

"Something explained that made it better?" Reavers. Serenity.

[@adamantaloczy]

They remade the Shatner Twilight Zone Episode in the Twilight Zone Movie and the part was played by John Lithgow. Later, Shatner played The Big Giant Head on the Third Rock from the Sun. He came to visit but landed in the wrong state and had to take a plane the rest of the way. When he got there they asked him how was the trip and he said, "It was horrifying. I saw a man out on the wing," to which Jon Lithgow replied, "The same thing happened to me!"

[@michealjohnson6484]

Mooler is so lo key hilarious

[@joseoropeza8894]

My favorite reporter fail; the female reporter smashing grapes at a vineyard and she falls. Puts me in tears every time 😂

[@TheMistyBlueLounge]

Ahhhh...oooohh...urrrgg... the noises lol. I feel so bad and yet it's hilarious.

[@joseoropeza8894]

@@TheMistyBlueLounge I feel bad but also the noises are the best part 😂

[@strambino1]

I can’t wait until mauler gets to “A Piece of the Action”. I hope he does a gangster Kirk impression!

[@snekks7497]

I give the Boss Nass impressions 8 Schlürpos out of 12.

[@thesaltmerchant4564]

Schlürpo* Edit: Bravo

[@andrewszigeti2174]

Disney Wars is a fascinating case study of how to kill a franchise.

[@SumDumGy]

Hell, any and every franchise under its control for that matter.

[@Promance2300]

For a fight, you want Kirk. For diplomacy, you want Picard. For a war, you want Sisko. For science, you want Janeway. For exploration, you want Archer.

[@fearoffema]

Pretty much agree, except I think Janeway is better suited to temporal warfare than science

[@andrewbrennan2891]

Anyone watched Charlie Hopkinson's youtube channel with some very funny Lord of the Rings and Star Wars spoofs. Gandalf sat in a small flat apologising for inadvertenly showing a bit of scrotum in a previous presentation had me in stitches.

[@tjroelsma]

I agree with MauLer and Drinker that modern day movies are shattering the mystique that made characters so fascinating. Look at those Clint Eastwood westerns, where his past was almost always mysterious and unexplained. Do you care what made him "The Good" in "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly"? Do you care what made the other two main characters what they were? The movie drops some hints here and there, but hints is all they are. Only Tuco's character is explained in more detail and in my opinion that didn't make much of a difference to his character. Good storytelling can make you ignore those things and in my opinion it's only the greedy attempt to squeeze more money out of a successful movie to "gifts" us sequels and prequels that reveal more of the character(s).

[@thorsteinnorman7133]

If Branderson's Mistborn-series was made into film by Hollywood, I can fuckn guarantee that they would make Vin black, only because she had dark, black hair with slight curls, despite literally being described as incredibly pale and fair, etc.

[@Valehass]

The LotR RPG was Battle for Middle Earth 1&2 and they were both brilliant. My favourite for gameplay is C&C Generals Zero Hour and Tiberium Wars 3 for story. Watching Joe Dugan chew the scenery in every scene is glorious.

[@soulbearer6214]

Greatest jump scare in my life was creep show 2 , the black slime on lake. That was just a great jump scare.

[@berges104]

He realized the Red Shirt curse lol. Only a couple Red Shirts survive an episode involving them. Specifically Scotty

[@SaraBryan-sw7ri]

You've got a knack for this, loving your content!

[@swaniac8833]

If he keeps doing this, he might make it his full time job!

[@julienj8430]

If Sara says do it must be true

[@w33blord66]

For me, what makes a character fascinating is a sense of agency, well defined and consistent character traits and motivations that drive the plot, put them at odds with an antagonist, and generate interesting conflict. Alot of classic hero's journies can feature blank slates who are constantly dragged through the adventure with little input. Conversely, a character like Tony Soprano is almost predictable because we know him so well. Yet this is the most interesting type of character to see tested by intense conflict because they are often forced to struggle against themselves.

[@harrar8]

Late Night with the Devil was great! One of only 2 movies I’ve seen in the theatre this year. I bought a physical copy from overseas 😊

[@barelyaninconvenience101]

used to watch Benny Hill with my dad.

[@MrsMacLover]

best theme song

[@Cl0ckcl0ck]

The gremlin is also in the Twilight Zone movie.

[@paulware4701]

As regards Scotty getting bigger with each successive film, my brother in law is an engineer and not unlike Scotty in girth; his response to this observation was "He's just getting into character." Fair enough.

[@jasonr4518]

Loch Ness Monster would be way cooler.

[@CabooseAhNotMyFault]

24:21 thx mauler for not just nodding along with the bashing

[@THEGDB]

29:29 creepy scare was in "signs" when we see the footage of the aliens in Brazil. For disturbing scare " the hills have eyes" remake , attack on the camper trailer

[@hariman7727]

Jaws. The first time you see the shark, and previously with the dead body. Alien also does really well with "oh shit it's here already" moments multiple times.

[@JFraser360]

Cheers, Gents! 1:16:03 Star Trek Phase II and The God Thing 1:16:55 Meet Joe Black/EFAP Movies Hannibal Lecter Arc? 1:25:22 George Miller

[@mehtacotute]

Favorite trailer - Office space as a thriller.

[@jonbaxter2254]

Mauler's comic con story was adorable.

[@DeplorableBitterClinger]

You guys forgot about the Bugs Bunny episode from the 1940s with a B-17 and a Gremlin.

[@ozgerm]

Hale and Pace was hilarious back in the day. Great call

[@weswolever7477]

Water is okay if it’s frozen and floating in whiskey

[@brianthomas9254]

“Who’s Phoebe Cates?” 🤦🏻‍♂️ OMG I feel old now.

[@thewafflepan4538]

I wonder if mauler has ever seen grave encounters

[@seanp1776]

My favorite obscure horror movie is the 1977 Japanese film House. There’s no other movie like it, I’ve watched it 5 times and I still take something new away every time.

[@express0ne103]

Best RTS for me was Total Annihilation and its "not a sequel" sequel (the first) Supreme Commander.

[@Zara-Bari]

That superchat about Texan/Floridian Hollywood comment doesn't take into account how much my beloved homestate and slightly less beloved neighbor have been overrun by people fleeing California and then trying to "fix" the state they moved to because they miss California. Like, we Texans have a joke about Central Texas/Austin area being Southern South California. A Texas Hollywood would be born in Austin (because it thinks it's the music and entertainment capitol of the world; spoilers, no), and it would be exactly the same but on a smaller budget and with less recognizable actors.

[@Promance2300]

35:00 You'd be right Mauler, but the third monologue spoils it for the religious folk imo

[@ianjohnson182]

46:00 My state has a special category in it's statistics for car accidents that were caused by people claiming to have seen Big Foot. I'm not kidding, I know the person who compiles them.

[@WayStedYou]

Boss Nass intro was not what I was expecting

[@myNameWasNobody75]

Japanese wanting to see themselves represented in a game that emulates feudal japan... is racist. Ok then. Yasuke IS an historical figure (and shirley deserves a movie Last samurai style), however if you're making a game in Japan, you try to make characters based on notorious figures of japanese history, and Yasuke was not a prominent samurai.

[@AncientYouth64]

Best sketch shows The Fast Show and Harry Enfield and Chums

[@Raymaster7482]

I'm no horrorfilm expert but as far as suspensful horror movies go I really enjoyed Ti West's The Innkeepers from 2011.

[@kevinoneil5120]

I'd go for Loch Ness over Bigfoot just for the implausibility. A large and reclusive primate avoiding provable detection for a century is highly unlikely but not completely impossible. But a fucking species of *dinosaur* clinging to existence within a body of fresh water? One is vastly more shocking than the other.

[@brewesharp3129]

In living color is the greatest sketch show period

[@michaelmartin7425]

To answer the Gundam question, yes Zeta is the best, but I would recommend people check out 0080. It is a short 6 episode series that is a great toe dip to introduce what Gundam is, and is a really interesting metaphor for Japans position in the cold war at the time. (Released 1989)

[@robmccord2583]

I think the other Captain in the enemy below was played by Robert Mitchell

[@WayStedYou]

1:25:25 Apparently the DLC for the mad max game was entirely finished but the publisher made them force the launch on the same day as MGS:V and it buried the game even though the dev team were begging them to delay it by a month so they didn't launch at the same time and we never got any more content for it.

[@hariman7727]

...That is the 127th stupidest move by a game studio. You read that right. 127th. They're that flippin' stupid.

[@richarddimeck4578]

Prefer the older version or film of haunting of Hill House. The one with roddy mcdowell

[@caseymuzio7609]

I think the gremlin goes all the way back to looney toons

[@RanOutOfChannelNames]

Why are we talking about Open Bar 96 when Open Bar 100 is coming out?

[@MegaSpideyman]

Ah, the memories.

[@tcboes]

Mauler... if anything might encourage you to see Meet Joe Black, perhaps it's this line, one of the best veiled threats in movie history... "Joe Black: Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors."

[@tcboes]

Original Gremlin portrayal comes from Looney Toons... Bugs Bunny vs crazy arse Gremlin creature. One of LT best... next to BB v Dracula.

[@Promance2300]

Sisko undoubtedly has the most character development of any Star Trek captain.

[@andrewszigeti2174]

Especially once he goes into 'Hawk' mode....

[@hariman7727]

Kirk from the start of Star Trek to The Undiscovered Country gets massive character development too. Sisko gets the most directly in his own series though. Picard gets some after his Assimilation, and later in the movies/season 3 of Picard. Janeway stays a tyrant the whole time. Archer remains Duchess until season 4. So it's a tie between Sisko and Kirk, and Sisko actually looks up to James T. Kirk...

[@jamesfoley6939]

Sisko is the GOAT

[@J.Hermansson]

Regarding fav sketch show. There are so many good ones, The two Ronnies, Monty Python, Benny Hill, A Bit Of Fry & Laurie, Little Britain, Spitting Image, Not The Nine O'Clock News, The Catherine Tate Show and so on. Hard to pick a fav. If I have to choose I would probably pick The two Ronnies.

[@AncientYouth64]

Jeez a gorilla over a dinosaur you gotta be kidding me.....

[@akw141-yy3rz]

Meet Joe Black, which someone in chat mentioned, stars Anthony Hopkins, who I love to see in anything, and it's not a bad movie, but to be honest it's so slowly paced he's most of what keeps it afloat. Brad Pitt helps, as a quirky fish out of water Grim Reaper, but there's not enough of that. It's worth seeing, but I'd argue it's something you're going to want to pause frequently to take a break. The writing and characters seem fine, and it's interesting, but it could have been tightened or trimmed a bit, especially considering the run time.

[@Promance2300]

Love Kingdom of Heaven

[@hariman7727]

Oh... that "We're all connected to the universe" (Or often "we're the universe trying to understand itself") is Gnosticism. It's a religion of its own, but its followers tend to end up twisting other religions to fit Gnosticism rather than making their own churches.

[@Alliclare]

Yeah yeah

[@stitch3163]

Will, I think that you might be missing Member Chats… well at least mine. I’m not sure about the others.

[@bryannorton8945]

The whitest kids you know was really bad in my opinion. I liked Mr. Show and kids in the hall growing up Also the Wu Tang Clan thing was that in a Chappelle Show skit about race draft, Asian delegate drafted them haha

[@anddon3609]

Mauler watching TOs gives me innapropriate feelings

[@johnpatz8395]

You two talking about Shadow in the Cloud got me to go watch the trailer, and honestly it shows just how moronic the film will become, when she falls out of the B17, toward an flaming enemy fighter and when the fighter explodes it pushes her back into the belly of the bomber. My question is, which is sillier, that scene I mention, or Leia channeling space Mary Poppins?

[@drew_gordon]

You never read my member's milestone chat-message, was that because it wasn't super?

[@sharkc3396]

Given current events, I'd like to see a one off low budget Iron Man movie similar to 2022 'The Batman' concept (better executed). Have Terrance E. Howard play Tony Stark. He appears to be uniquely qualified to understand Mr. Stark's character. Choose the best available actors for Pepper Pots and Col Rhodes, pay no regard to the actor's race. Most of the production as long been done for Iron Man, so they can do a good version at a lower budget.

[@bretticus6722]

Needs to be a sound on EFAP😂

[@gingerbill128]

Jaws has the best jump scare . The descent was a good one. I don't like jump scares as a rule. P.s Meet Joe black is a film i turned off as i was incredibly bored .

[@2tone209]

AY UP DRINKER AND MAULER

[@parapoliticos52]

oh yeah

[@kevinoneil5120]

So who else did a Boss Nass impression while watching? 😅

[@THARG67]

The Fast Show is epic..Fat Sweaty Coppers to the rescue...the 90's Uk sketch shows rule

[@HarderRer]

I human like water

[@Silenthero66]

So they just ignore the £5 tier chats or what?

[@gavincampbell2862]

Best RTS series was Homeworld 1, Catalysm and 2. Apparently 3 the new one is a bit crap.

[@SterileNeutrino]

Is the weather bad in Britain too?

[@helenline1790]

8:50 15:00 22:40

[@JetsetComedian]

Best trailers - 300, Fury Road, Logan, The Watchmen (2009), The 6th Sense, X-Men Days of Future Past...

[@aldunlop4622]

I think Alien and The Matrix had the best 2 trailers of all time.

[@gregfrantz5872]

Great show. Star Trek was about putting aside Individuality for the benefit of all. Now it’s how individuality is supreme. It’s not Trek.

[@gregfrantz5872]

Unless your name is James Tiberius Kirk. But still, my point stands. Thanks for your perspective, guys.

[@danmclaren7785]

From an objective screen writing point of view, the opening 45 minutes of this movie is a little bit too much. But i wasnt bored watching it. I really dont think its the biggest crime in the contex of modern movies.

[@danmclaren7785]

I think Chris Gore is conpletely wrong about the part where the characaters put their foreheads together. These are two characters raised in the wsteland, which is conpletely devoid of romance. There is no precedent for kissing for them. Putting their heads together felt more natural for me, even as i watching it. I still appreciate his perspective, though.

[@00marinevlad00]

58:57 🎉🎉😊❤🎉

[@tylergoodman3560]

Which franchise had the better score: Star Wars Indiana Jones 007 franchise Lord of the rings Halloween Star Trek? 🤔🎉

[@albertocruzado2899]

007 has the unfair advantage of having the main theme and a different intro for every movie. Star Wars has Duel of Heroes, Duel of Fates, Main Theme, Love Theme, Across the Stars, Imperial March, and some other i am sure i am forgeting. Indiana Jones only have its main theme. Lord of the Rings is mostly bangers. Gondor Theme, Rohan Theme, The Shire one, Isengard Theme, the Charge Theme, the Arwen one, the Nazguls one, the Ring one, etc. Just tons of them, all of them with lots of personality. Star Trek have its intro, perhaps maybe a couple more that are very characteristics.

[@jamesfoley6939]

Indy and LOtR

[@EnsignRedshirtRicky]

We are not a MEME. We arrrrgh.... 💀🔴👕