OpenAI's Sora Made Me Crazy AI Videos-Then the CTO Answered (Most of) My Questions | WSJ

[@wsj]

Watch the full, wide-ranging interview with OpenAI CTO Mira Murati here: on.wsj.com/3TNv2Mu

[@elithecomputerguy]

The CTO can't talk about where the training data came from...

[@blackspetnaz2]

They cannot talk about the fishy things they did to achieve this.

[@tiromandal6399]

​@@blackspetnaz2 Lots of cute animals died very painful deaths for the meds that's been keeping everyone you ever knew alive but you're not complaining about that. What a hypocrite!

[@neon9165]

@@tiromandal6399Not to mention that a lot of their data comes from their partnership with shutterstock, thats why a lot of the videos look so stock footage like but i do imagine there are still some copyrighted things in there so it makes sense she isnt answering a question that could be used in court, they (and maybe google) are perhaps the closest to non copyright infringing ai

[@3dus]

Well...are you comparing dead animals to copyright royalties? Is it OK for a foreign company to steal OpenAI undisclosed science and use it to create a better model that advances AI?

[@christiancrow]

Closed ai open public images free for the taking ?

[@revestrek1]

I´m so glad this interviewer asked some real questions, Im sick of all the shallow questions over naive smiles. AI can be good, but also dangerous. It´s important we understand how serious it is, and train and use it carefully.

[@DevineLuLinvega]

"I can neither confirm nor deny that we trained on youtube videos"

[@Test-ny6uh]

Even if you have been trained, these are public videos. There's nothing wrong.

[@krishmav]

​@@Test-ny6uhKZbin is many people's livelihood. If they're training on that data, they're stealing their income in the future. We need to start banning AI for somethings. Or else it's just one job after another.

[@Rosscifer]

@@Test-ny6uh No. That's not how it works. There are very strict laws concerning exactly what constitutes fair use and despite this copyrighted material gets uploaded to youtube a million times a day. It needs to constantly be taken down. Just because the character from Spongebob was visible in some fair use clips and some illegally uploaded episodes doesn't mean the character can be plagiarized at will.

[@HighDoping]

@@Test-ny6uh But if you re-upload a KZbin video, you'll be hit with a Content ID claim.

[@stuckonearth4967]

@@Rosscifer Oh, c'mon you copyright people are annoying. AI learns just like how humans learn. Its training is like watching movies for us. We also know how certain characters look and so does AI. It can copy from other videos just like how humans copy from other creators. I think good examples of copying are elves, gnomes, orcs etc.

[@unmonged]

this is a product i made that i am very proud of. i'm the spokesperson of the product and was sent here to speak specificity about the product only. "how did i make my product", you ask? i don't know.

[@EggEggEggg1]

The fact that she dodged that question about the training data isn't very "Open"AI of her.

[@anirudhnarla4711]

Honestly thats every ai chatbot,image generator,llm from every company including google,facebook,microsoft,etc. A training model requires huge amounts of data which isnt just available on hand so they scoop the videos and text from the public internet

[@BenGrimm977]

It's understandable that they wouldn't want to specify beyond publicly available data. It was a bad question.

[@SublimeMind]

@@BenGrimm977No, it was a terrible answer. "Do you use KZbin to train Sora" the CTO of Open AI: "Durrrr I unno maybe".

[@slavloli8755]

she was clearly scared to answer it lol Surprised that she wasn't vetted for the interview, this question was bound to be asked and she fumbled Maybe OpenAI doesn't care about public's perception, but that's something that can be detrimental later on. Given the rise of luddites and how it may lead to policies to impede AI's growth

[@andifadeaway11]

@@slavloli8755 People who are wary of AI aren't just luddites. They just have a sense of consequence and what letting the whole world be run by companies who own image data rather than individual creatives might do. Sorry you can't think more than one second into the future to understand why AI restrictions are incredibly important to the future well being of our society.

[@punk3900]

It's like asking a farmer: - Where do you take your apples from? Do you pick them from trees? - I dont know. If they grow on trees, perhaps yes.

[@gokuldastvm]

Don't forget - they were 'publicly visible' apples.

[@jwilder2251]

This is one of the funniest comments I’ve ever read 😂

[@throwawaydude3470]

She picked them from her neighbors trees. Not the same.

[@kamu747]

This is very funny. You got me cracking me up. So the question would have been phrased more like whose trees do you pick them from asking a farmer who owns an Apple far that spans thousands of acres neighbouring another farmer who also grows apples. So her answer is: only trees I'm permitted from picking, from our farms yes, which other trees, I can not say, but if I was permitted then Yes .

[@dlebensgefahr]

No, it is not like that.

[@JohnCillian]

4:50 She's smart enough to know where the models came from and she's hesitant to say because of potential lawsuits.

[@mack-uv6gn]

Copyright?

[@anirudhnarla4711]

They scoop the data from literally everything public on the internet which is a lot. And not just sora but every llm,chatbot and image generator too. Its the same for everything

[@SublimeMind]

@@anirudhnarla4711Oh so the "everyone does it so it's legal" defense.

[@blackspetnaz2]

She knows

[@mistressfreezepeach]

is she smart? it's not obvious to me

[@mrtang18]

Joanna Stern is the best! Love how she grilled her about the training data - super awkward response 😂

[@jolness1]

The vagueness of her response about what was used from the CTO shows she definitely knows they’re using copyrighted content imo.

[@mistressfreezepeach]

or she really doesn't and is just there as a pretty head

[@Korodarn]

Copyright is automatic. Unless they were training on videos from the early 20th century they couldn't be training on videos with no copyright excepting the very few people who bother to put on a CC 0 or similar license

[@billf1748]

If you watch a video and learn something from it, does that mean you copied it, and thus, violated copyright? Of course not. What people don't seem to understand is that AIs are utilizing digital neural nets; they do not need to copy to learn--they simply adjust their weights and biases. Nothing has been copied. Learning has happened. This is the way it will be argued in courts.

[@neon9165]

@@KorodarnThey have a Partnership with shutterstock (32 Million videos if shutterstock is making their whole catalogue available) And even then, some countries already established that machine learning isnt copyright infringing

[@SahilP2648]

@@billf1748 well then laws need to change, and fast

[@official_youtube]

"My prompt for this crab said nothing about a mustache" is the most 2024 sentence ever.

[@KDashCR]

I don’t expect regular people to be impressed by this. For us who work on Computer Science this is like a miracle, can’t wait to dig into this.

[@VivekChandra007]

AI models can’t cook out of thin air, they always are based on data trained on. If one wants to know the real data it was trained on, look at subtle things it put in not mentioned in prompt

[@VejmR]

​@@KDashCRby what? Sora or mustache in specific ?

[@matheusdemoura5529]

But it’s clear that Sora AI copied the sponge bob character

[@quandovoceleroscomentarios9622]

@@VejmRTHe mustache, obviously

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[@hunter-bourke21]

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[@TheresaAnderson-kf5xw]

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[@sdf8085]

I cannot express how wild it seems to me that the *CTO* of one of the biggest genAI companies, promoting their latest genAI product couldn't answer what data the model was trained on.

[@tarcus6074]

It doesn't matter.

[@blackspetnaz2]

She got caught, she knows there are lawsuits left and right. What was incredible is she was not prepared for the question. But since they know they did pretty bad praxis she got nervous.

[@ayushnews5735]

​@@tarcus6074 it does matter.

[@Nainara32]

I wouldn't expect the CTO to know the current status of any given contract with a vendor with enough confidence to be quoted on WSJ. These things change all the time and they probably have hundreds of sources of training data just for SORA AI, let alone all the other products that she oversees like ChatGPT and DALI.

[@i20010]

Its all stolen from us.

[@acer-star]

Remember the Super Phrase: *Publicly available data*

[@MrQWUK]

Exactly my thoughts after watching this. Barely scratching the surface in respect of rigorous query into attribution. Copyright and IP law is being left in the dust, with creative works being flagrantly stolen for marketing hype, stock inflation and profit. It's a sad path "we're" headed down. Another race to the bottom.

[@sirdiealot53]

She’s right. It’s publicly available. If you don’t want everyone to see your videos don’t post them on the internet. Durr

[@JorisGriffioen]

@@sirdiealot53 yes, "see", that's not the contention here.

[@carcolevan7102]

@@JorisGriffioenIf one can 'see' something, one might also 'learn' from it. So that is the contention. Imagine if you had to get permission before studying anyone else's art. It would be a red-tape paperwork nightmare and will essentially destroy the social function of art. You say copyright law is being violated with "creative works being flagrantly stolen" but copyright law does not require anyone to get permission to view or study anyone else's publicly-available art. Your moral outrage is palpable, but there is no substance to it because copyright law does not require the permission you seem to think it does.

[@vrclckd-zz3pv]

Piracy is based. Unauthorized use of personal data is not.

[@Manwith6secondmemory]

Really good reporting the interviewer asked the correct questions and Mira definitely knows the data they used she does not want to reveal anything because they’ll get crucified

[@Manwith6secondmemory]

SIKE

[@Manwith6secondmemory]

SIKE

[@Manwith6secondmemory]

SIKE

[@Outcaster88]

The way she dodged over and over the question about the training data, clearly their are not using only publicly available data.

[@madshader]

Or, for legal reasons, she is not allowed to make statements on it yet. Not everything is so black and white. One could argue that humans train on publicly available data when they make their own creations, pulling inspiration from everywhere. AI is just much more efficient at this task than a human is.

[@shredd5705]

Publicly available doesn't mean you freely use it. Copyrighted work can be publicly available. Just because artwork or contet is online doesn't mean you have rights to use it

[@madshader]

@@shredd5705are you serious? Of course a human can use it as inspiration, the same as an AI. The problem arises when you try and claim the exact copyrighted work is your own. But artists use all kinds of art to draw from and create something new. This has been the practice of every artist through history.

[@diyamond]

@@madshaderas an artist, i agree that they shouldn’t and it’s disgusting. but through a business perspective… it’s all free to them because technically it is on the internet for anyone to see. it’s not morally correct whatsoever, but it happens.

[@Mobri]

​@@madshader One could argue that, but completely miss the point or understand why this argument is patently idiotic on the surface of it. Please, go back to speculating about the social importance of dogecoin and leave the rest of us alone.

[@ishaankelkar]

the questions asked in this interview were really good -- concise and hitting all of the important points. thank you for this informative video

[@i20010]

Yeas, it's rare these days to have intelligent press asking correct questions.

[@buttofthejoke]

I was just thinking that. All questions that I wanted answered. precise and terse

[@BlackParade01]

Joanna is always a hit

[@unawakeful6931]

She didn't push back on the jobs subject when the interviewee stated that it will just be a tool. Yes, a tool that anyone can use which will make making movies trivial to where it will undoubtedly have a significant affect on jobs.

[@brandnaqua]

Joanna Stern is the best of the best in the business! 🙌 i love how she's honest without ever being rude. she's top tier! 🎉

[@xiphoid2011]

In my 40s now, looking back, I am amazed at the acceleration of technological innovation. It's now it's almost impossible to imagine what computing will be like in just 2-3 years.

[@Jay-eb7ik]

1 million x more powerful by 2030

[@Vikasslytherine]

We still don't have flying cars

[@_ShaDynasty]

wheres my flying car and television watch?@@Vikasslytherine

[@ibrahimalharbi3358]

Democracy is a big joke! Taxation is a theft! Laws is only for citizens not owners, for example Copyright. God is real God is not a dead man

[@mistressfreezepeach]

@@Vikasslytherine we do have many things out of 1984, though

[@discoverlight]

You should’ve asked Sora to make 10 people playing rock paper scissors in fast pace. 😂

[@geaca3222]

😅🤣

[@WildVoltorb]

😂

[@pinch254]

😂

[@edism]

This is why it's not free, silly people wasting resources. Why can't you just increase the speed of a normal video for this rubbish? Lol

[@a.nobodys.nobody]

That's funny

[@zivzulander]

I'm not going to lie, I spent half the video with my eyes darting to Mira's hands just to make sure she's real 😅

[@crazyprayingmantis5596]

She's not

[@vectoralphaSec]

​@crazyshe is. prayingmantis5596

[@sweetysweety7805]

😂😂

[@marttiekstrand4879]

As Sora can create "cartoon animation" OpenAI should show their list of animation production companies who have licensed their films to be used in the machine learning model. There's not much animation is available in public domain, especially 3D animation.

[@shredd5705]

It's obviously stolen stuff. They steal. Most AI companies do. Instead of OpenAI, PirateAI would be more accurate

[@bruno2010087]

although maybe it's possible for it to learn particular styles from static images also, no? then i would say there are many more sources of training data

[@marttiekstrand4879]

Styles of movement in animation can only be modelled from animation. Cartoon characters doesn't move anywhere close to real humans.

[@Vincent-lg2jh]

Good note, I think they also specifically made a contract with set studios to output "basic" animated movements for the model to learn easily.

[@TurnRacing]

ouch those data training questions hit HARD!

[@Jay-rr6me]

They always say AI will change us in good ways and we will be much better but as you know it’s actually gonna go the other way

[@fuu812]

4:34 GOLDEN reaction

[@AkshaySinghJamwal]

Let me get this straight: they've created a model that generates videos indistinguishable from reality, and their genius idea to make that distinction is: a watermark! Wow!

[@xlrbossshorts]

There's really nothing they could do as a safety procedure, unless they want to put a huge watermark stamp on the video or limit the things you can create.

[@itsmebk6820]

Yikes that was one bomb of an interview… they are definitely training it on KZbin/x/fb/ig everything 🤣

[@_Tennz]

Publicly shared data and media... Let's all go check the fine print of those terms and conditions we all agree to every time we use social media, shall we?

[@alvarortega2]

That interview took a quick turn! Hehehe

[@hemasunchu]

That sounds like a fascinating journey! Seeing the CTO engage with the community adds so much value. Ever heard of SmythOS? It's like witnessing AI collaborate seamlessly, simplifying complex workflows. Always exciting to stay updated on these tech marvels!

[@Jay-rr6me]

What’s the point of replacing creativity we don’t want to live in a world where nothing is creative

[@winniethepoohxi1896]

If an AI can be creative why does that stop you from being creative separately? Having an AI be creative doesn’t mean you can’t be creative as a hobby all you want. Most artists, authors, and musicians just do it as a hobby already. No AI is going to say you are no longer allowed to be creative. You might not be as creative as an AI but you can still do your own thing.

[@midnightjayy]

⁠@@winniethepoohxi1896AI would not exist with the thousands of artist’s names, works, etc. being inputted into its database. All without anyone’s consent, and the fact that the corporations are profiting off of other’s work, not them. That’s where the problem is. Nothing is stopping anybody from actually learning how to draw, there’s thousands of videos on the internet to tell people how… I just see it as people being extremely lazy and jumping to the end result. It’s cheap.

[@stardust6870]

Unfortunately, no one cares. Most people are lazy and happy to say they created something even though it was AI making it for them. They don't care about the creation process. Instead, people care about the output and profit. That's what capitalism did to us. And I'm saying this as a writer who lost work to ChatGPT a year ago.

[@SerenityReceiver]

The CTO isn't sure if youtube training data was used???

[@dibbidydoo4318]

well she could've purposely chosen to not look at the dataset to avoid lying in a lawsuit.

[@RyanMichero]

She knows, and can't say.

[@krakenj5237]

Really good interview. Grilled her with sensible questions

[@christianf7740]

Of topic but that is the most beautiful CTO I have ever seen.

[@kakaeriko]

not sure of sources??

[@jolness1]

They’re definitely just feeding every freely usable or copyrighted video around.

[@bikedawg]

she's absolutely knows what the sources are. she doesn't want to open openAI for another lawsuit.

[@shredd5705]

They are sure, but they don't want to tell because it's stealing copyrighted work. Just like every other AI company training their AIs

[@vborovikov]

torrents

[@andrewhooper7603]

​@benny-schmidt glad you found a way to shoehorn your personal grievances into this, but she's pretty clearly just lying.

[@stealcase]

Thank you for asking about the data! This is what people care about: whether their data was ingested to train profitable AI without our consent.

[@Fiscotte]

ClosedAI

[@colabear4343]

Q: "Videos on youtube?" CTO: "I'm actually not sure about that."

[@therealsimdan]

“It’s very difficult to simulate the motion of hands.” Every VFX studio from the last 25 years: “Do I mean nothing to you?”

[@unknown-fd1yz]

Doing it with ai and doing it manually is a really different thing. And ai do it quick unlike vfx studios so there is that too.

[@MissesWitch]

When she can't answer where the training data came from , you realise she's just another soulless corporate doll..

[@ethanvance3834]

I stole a car because i saw it on the street and i thought that was public property so by this logic isn't your car publically available for me to use for my own benefit.

[@BrianHill]

Two smart women having a hard-headed conversation about an extraordinarily important topic. Nice vid.

[@peterjohansson739]

I can confirm that the models were trained on all data, publicly available, licensed and non-licensed etc.

[@Brrrrrrrrrtbrrrrttt]

yeah maybe meta is privately selling them all our data.

[@TanakaTsikira]

Hmmmn. The training data issue is going to haunt OpenAI for a while. The law has not caught up with the technology. US Law makers are going to have a tough time with this one.

[@dibbidydoo4318]

It's not going to haunt it, a vital part of every copyright law in the world is that any infringing material has to be substantially similar to the original.

[@NoobNoob339]

mmm yes cope@@dibbidydoo4318

[@salifyanjisimwanza9679]

​​​@@dibbidydoo4318I agree with you on that part. But I think there's still a significant legal challenge here. The videos/images produced may be substantially different from the copyrighted material but copyrighted material was used to train the models all the same. The consequence of that act of training is what's haunting the law courts at the moment. As a human being, I can observe or read and reproduce what I saw/read in a somewhat different way. AI models have not yet earned that status. Moreover, there are potential data protection issues here. Whatever the case, IP laws are about to undergo possibly the biggest change ever in history.

[@dibbidydoo4318]

​@@salifyanjisimwanza9679 I don't think this will impact IP laws much unless someone believed that the "property" in "intellectual property" was meant to be taken literally.

[@Mobri]

​@@dibbidydoo4318 In the case of humans making art, yes. In the case of a program creating art, maybe no. But if it is legal to make and sell, then you still have no copyright and I can sell your AI art with no consequence. It can't be both, though.

[@atlanta2076]

CTO: «Sora is based on text prompts». NO! It is NOT. It is based on stolen art. The biggest art robbery in history! And it gets even worse. She pretends (!) that she doesn't know whether they stole from KZbin creators (which they def did). She talks about "licensed data", as if OpenAI had any official license from the Sponge Bob right holders to feed their wicked machine with their property. I'm so disgusted! She says "publicly available" as if it meant "public domain". Any Disney DVD is pubicly available. Don't mean I can use that data as I please. A CTO that is "not sure" where they stole the data from. Give me a break. Furthermore, she keeps saying their in the very early stages, but keeps emphasizing that it'll be ready in a few months with mosts kinks ironed out. Which one is it now? WSJ: why did you not call this women out?

[@jacksonfolly]

04:33 The grimace says it all

[@anirudhnarla4711]

People are really trying to find faults in it to cope but honestly the flaws are so minor that you have to notice it extensively (except the hands part) and the model is still in its beta phase so this is literally a game changer

[@abdulrazack1683]

So true

[@jolness1]

There are a lot of goofy things that pop up, not just hands. It is super neat but also unbelievably power and compute hungry.

[@huckleberryfinn6578]

@@jolness1 Just look static image generation from early 2022 and recent images.

[@ayushnews5735]

Flaw is not in the videos generated. It can be solved. The real problem is her not telling the source of training data despite being the CTO of "Open" AI.

[@dibbidydoo4318]

@@ayushnews5735 Well it's obvious that stuff isn't supposed to spoken about until lawsuits conclude.

[@huymaivan8671]

The same vibe as "You smuggler, where did you hide those drug" -> "I dont know"

[@ropro9817]

Lol, wow, that interview turned really sketchy @4:24... 😆

[@ropro9817]

How does the CTO--and former CEO... for 2 days--not know details of what content was used for model training when that is such a controversial hot topic today? 🤔 I call bull💩...

[@vetboy627]

@@ropro9817Because that's the magic behind how the models work and she's not going to reveal that to competitors. Also it's not really the CTO's concern what exact data is used to create a model, as long as it's legal and gets results

[@IcyyDicy]

Obviously. Why shoot yourself in the foot by being correct? Credit is due for WSJ for asking the tough questions and letting viewers judge the non-answers for themselves. I'd argue it tells a lot more.

[@teachusmore]

Future lawsuit here…she intentionally concealed the data source. A discovery of their internal communications will likely reveal that they know they are taking copyright material without permission

[@lifemarketing9876]

@@vetboy627 Finally someone in the comments using critical thinking instead of dogpiling Mira, when they have absolutely no clue what's going on.

[@imadeyoureadthis1]

4:32 It makes sense the way she answered it. It's not really a question you can answer honestly. How do you train it? You need everything you can get your hands on.

[@EbenezerNimh]

Al + Sora = Job Killer

[@trappedcat3615]

Job Killer = Job Creator

[@aj0zzzz]

This was some incredible reporting. Well done to her;

[@sushienjoyer]

4:34 People are gonna make fun of that answer. However, clearly, the purpose is to dodge, and that answer achieved that.

[@MnMEminem]

She is just a pretty head they put there to reduce the hate they get from the public and reduce the concerns! This girl doesn't have the technology luminance real CTOs have!

[@erikouwehand]

Must mean they are stealing other people's content, otherwise you would not hide it.

[@Tharros95]

Thanks captain obvious, what would we have done without you?

[@joelface]

@@erikouwehand I disagree. There are lawsuits and a lot of contention around the training data, and saying a single wrong word could be used against her and the company and end up costing billions of dollars. Of course the interviewer wants details, but that doesn't mean it's smart for her to answer it even if everything seems above board and legal to her.

[@the_nows]

I think she legit didn't know what the training data specifically is, because she's a bad CTO. Also because that's being kept secret for many

[@ariwilsun]

@3:32 Joanna's smug smile here has me cracking up. 😆

[@christiancrow]

Uh oh where that data coming from 😂

[@christiancrow]

If it's public , clarify that please ?

[@ktktktktktktkt]

I feel like a CTO should know where the data came from lol

[@Hannan_1325]

She knows, she is not supposed to make announcements about their secrets on News channel.

[@ktktktktktktkt]

@@Hannan_1325 it's hardly a trade secret if it's publicly available/licensed data and she later confirmed the data includes shutterstock. If anything, she didn't want to say the answer on air because it would sound really bad. AI art has caught a ton of flak for using artists art without permission. I would bet they did actually use youtube videos without permission.

[@Korodarn]

@@ktktktktktktkt It's a certainty they used things without permission. There is absolutely no way they could get the permission for all of this, and that's fine, because permission is not required for you to view it, it shouldn't be required for them to view it either.

[@ibrahimalharbi3358]

Democracy is a big joke! Taxation is a theft! Laws is only for citizens not owners, for example Copyright.

[@carcolevan7102]

@@ktktktktktktkt Right. She knows where the data come from and she knows that there is a widespread belief that allowing an AI to study publicly-available images and videos without permission is illegal. It's not, but that doesn't diminish the moral outrage of those who wrongly believe that it is. So the question "where did the training data come from?" is a loaded one premised on the idea that using images and videos scraped from the internet is illegal, even though it isn't. There was no way to educate the public enough during this short interview that an honest answer wouldn't just pour fuel on the misinformation fire that's already blazing around this topic.

[@japanmood]

How about copyrighting issue. If it's a public available content, this doesn't mean you have the rights to use it for Ai training. While OpenAI makes billions, artists will lose jobs, projects, etc.. Another questions is, does Shutterstock pays the artists if OpenAI is using the huge database from Shutterstock!? The way it should be, is to create a platform/Hub, where all the artists, and writers etc... can upload all their content and get paid by OpenAi for using their content, but not browsing your Facebook or KZbin and basically stealing this info for their benefit.

[@rubes8065]

She knows that videos on KZbin were used as training data. She is not a good liar lol it’s her job to know. OpenAI doesn’t want to get sued, that’s why. Sam Altman likes to move fast. They have the LLM models but they don’t have access to enough data. So they take it without paying for it.

[@aussiepawsborne9056]

I don’t think they legally have to pay for data that is publicly available. The laws haven’t really been established around neural networks yet

[@GalaKrond-b7k]

Lol, youtube is not entitled to payment.

[@choptop81]

Sam Altman liked to move fast into his four year old sister’s bed too (read her SA allegations against him)

[@coreyjblakey]

@@GalaKrond-b7kNo one here gives 2 fs about YT getting a cent dude, we want the video creators to get either paid, or the option to not be in the data, It should be opt in, its currently not even opt out

[@collinmartin3589]

she certainly did not expect the question bout the source of the training data..... I wish we had journalists like this in South Africa

[@shmookins]

Why was she avoiding answering the source data? They absolutely know since there is only two major parts: the code, and the learning source. She avoided answering about the Shutter deal as well, even though they had a deal with them and later in the interview confirms that. This doesn't look good.

[@FinnC-w3o]

It looks fine. It is obvious she isn't answering because of lawsuits.

[@shmookins]

@@FinnC-w3o She could have simply said as much. I heard other businesses reply the same, something like: "we can't comment on on going cases" or some such. But even the Shutter deal- which she confirmed later- was also given a vague response at first. It's just odd, that's all. Maybe this person was throne in to fill the simply seat and they don't have experience? Oh, well. Humans gonna human.

[@FinnC-w3o]

she obviously has experience, she has been there since 2018. she also basically explicitly said that she cannot comment on it, so idk where the confusion is coming from@@shmookins

[@koumorichinpo4326]

@@FinnC-w3o if they need to be hush hush to not be sued, maybe your little brain could entertain for a moment that its because they are doing the wrong thing

[@NoobNoob339]

​@@FinnC-w3o "It looks fine. It is obvious she isn't answering because of lawsuits." I see a massive contradiction there

[@goodtechdoor]

Nice, reliable humans making reliable decisions with far reaching consequences. This is how we got here .. and we shall further!

[@billf1748]

Unpopular opinion: It doesn't matter that they are using copyrighted material to train their models. Neural nets, whether they are in your brain or in Open AIs models, do not copy information. They use the information (the stimuli) to adjust their weights and biases using their amazing algorithms (backprop, etc.). This is analogous to how we learn. We have not copied the video into our brains, nonetheless, we have learned from it. This is how these cases will be argued in court.

[@federicoaschieri]

That's just false. Several scientific papers, like "Speak, memory", have proved that AI models store thousands of copyrighted works. For example, all Harry Potter and Game of Thrones saga word by word. Indeed, our brain does have photographic memory, that's why you can recognized your mum 😆

[@carcolevan7102]

@@federicoaschieri Can you provide a link to this paper? A quick internet search on "Speak, memory AI" turns up a lengthy magazine article about creating an AI version of a recently-deceased friend, but it is not a scientific paper and doesn't say anything about memorizing texts.

[@IconoclastX]

​@@GalaKrond-b7kNah, you're definently in the minority. Youre right on the scientific point but most people think that human societies should be for human beings and that we should regulate things if they are harmful to us(shocking). Irrespective of what the technology does, its bad for society and therefore it needs regulation. Same with how we do nuclear weapons.

[@billf1748]

@benny-schmidt So if I download Stable Diffusion onto my desktop computer and get it working, I've also downloaded every image it was ever trained on? My computer cannot hold petabytes of data. The reason you see a watermark is because the AI was trained on many images with watermarks. It has learned, incorrectly, that all images, or a certain category of images, should have watermarks. Humans make similar mistakes, like thinking a watermarked image from GenAi means it was copied.

[@carcolevan7102]

@benny-schmidt Copyright doesn't have anything to say about training on copyrighted works. There is no such thing in copyright law as "unauthorized studying."

[@satyapanigrahi6606]

Setting aside the concerns and obvious questions around training data, it's so refreshing to see young execs like Mira and Sam taking charge of paradigm shifting technologies

[@crypticvisionary]

"Im not going to go into the details of the data that was used" = We stole most of the data and wont admit it

[@UnsaltedCashew38]

*all of it

[@Adam-fq5lu]

I can’t believe you are stealing this video right now :(

[@Sma-v4y]

4:30 - Lying without blinking - new achievement unlocked!

[@freeabt9916]

will they be using this video as a training to generate a video when the prompt is: did you pay for the data you used?

[@gbxgbxgbx]

Question: "People in the film industry will loose jobs - how do you address that?" Answer: "This is a tool for extending creativity - we want to ask these people to help us develop it to make it even better so they are completely out of jobs".

[@Peeps7468]

Good for the interviewer pushing for the source of the data. That was disappointing that the interviewee didn’t seem to know where the data comes from.

[@throwawaydude3470]

she knows exactly where it comes from

[@ShaiLysk]

Everything will have to be “taken with a grain of salt” we will have to question everything and trust nothing in the future.

[@prilep5]

Perfect timing release of the best fake video AI maker just in time for the biggest election year in the World

[@AnthatiKhasim-i1e]

The SmythSO can also provide Email Sending. Not only this, it can do a lot of the things we call an agent

[@godmisfortunatechild]

I think it's definitely worth trying" ie the profit motive is too great not to.

[@teebu]

thats really what keeps her up at night

[@carlosdart3118]

I not gonna lie the internet is the BEST pool of human knowledge PERIOD!!!

[@erikouwehand]

Part of the internet yes, not all.

[@raj5669]

Interesting conversation start at 4:42

[@looseygoosey23]

It is definitely worth it, she is driven, she doesnt care for anything but innovation, seen this on a black mirror episode

[@xxxxx409]

I can literally take watermarked screenshots and get rid of them within 5 minutes because of AI (Which they probably do when they scrape the web for training data).

[@thebicycleman8062]

I bet you 100% from this interview onwards OPENAI will have a SPECIALIZED TEAM dedicated ONLY TO TRAIN OPENAI on HOW TO RESPOND TO THAT VERY QUESTION regarding TRAINING DATA - They will be like a pro at it lol

[@AndreaDoesYoga]

Wow, Sora's capabilities are mind-blowing! 😮

[@Keenan686]

what a time to be alive

[@NoobNoob339]

All the hard work people did that they stole from is amazing, yes.

[@stardust6870]

Why does this CTO sound like they found her on the street and asked to participate in a video? Her vocabulary and responses are not something you'd expect from a CTO. She needs to know every detail and understand how to respond to questions professionally. "Mmm, I don't know," and "Actually, I'm not sure" are not valid responses, as no one should know the product better than you. That's why you're the effin' chief technology officer.

[@tijujohn83]

I don't like her

[@TheBlackClockOfTime]

Thank you for bringing us the greatest meme in the past 4 days.

[@Willibeolder]

in a distant future I can imagine cops having to shout "hands! show me your hands! Hands in the air!" for more than one reason

[@geaca3222]

😂

[@sidbrun_]

4:30 firstly well done to Joanna for looking closely at the videos and critiquing the flaws, but even more well done to her for asking good questions that challenge the technology which Mira can't seem to answer. Mira's not sure what data they're using to train the models?? How is that not a huge red flag from the Chief Technology Officer? Mira will go from fear mongering by saying that many artists will be out of work, to not being able to even explain where the data comes from. I mean, how can you even train the models without data FROM ARTISTS? These OpenAI people are going to get themselves into some serious trouble in the coming years with where the data's coming from, when some of the large film companies discover their films are being used in the datasets. Can you imagine the Disney lawyers if they ever found one of their files in the training sets?

[@davedsilva]

The interviewer forgot to ask if Sora can replace her 😂

[@MrRandomPlays_1987]

How can I tell this whole interview wasn't created also by SORA ? LOL, it's that real

[@sherriffs2554]

Not going into the details of what trained sora because NYT is currently suing...among others.

[@joelface]

exactly.

[@ByrdNick]

SORA exhibits/solicits a human-like inattentional blindness: it produces fluent motion that seems normal at a glance. But upon closer inspection it does stuff that’s as weird as a gorilla walking across the frame (from Chabris and Simon’s famous experiments.)

[@diegohernandezp]

She absolutely knows what data was used/collected to train the model. Content creators will get zero profits while open AI will become enormously rich. Change the name to pirate AI and stop lying to the public

[@carcolevan7102]

Are you a pirate for watching this interview video without permission? Your moral outrage is well-meaning, but totally misinformed. Imagine if the law worked the way you seem to want it to and we all had to get every artists permission before we could look at their art. What an absolute nightmare. It would be the total death of all art. Be careful what you wish for.

[@NoobNoob339]

@@carcolevan7102 nah you just want that to be the case.

[@diegohernandezp]

@@carcolevan7102 If I watch this interview, meticulously dissect its stylistic elements, and then replicate its script, tone, scene composition, and lighting to produce a super similar content on a mass scale for profit, I would be infringing on the original creators' rights, effectively becoming a pirate. Now, if I were to train a machine to replicate this process, absorbing countless works to generate similar content under a subscription model, yet providing no compensation or credit to the original authors, then my actions would be no different in principle. Don’t get me wrong I love this tools, but they need guardrails.

[@PixelsVerwisselaar]

Now its just waiting for the wistleblower 😂🤭

[@AntonioAponte00]

We are basically taking everythin we can get out hand

[@PHlophe]

Toninho, Meu Deus ! Que situação deprimente

[@TotalDec]

They break down human brains, do a seance, then summon Legion. That's the biggest AI secret. Training data, means ppl's memories (life experience).

[@DigitalDistortion]

She’s extremely well spoken and it’s a fascinating conversation.

[@ropro9817]

Except for the dodge on the training data...

[@shredd5705]

Not well informed... or hiding something. They use stolen data, copyrighted data... Also this "It's not a replacement, it's a tool" nonsense is marketing hype they want you to believe. It's a replacement. But they say it's a tool

[@xlrbossshorts]

@@ChrisGrump Shes being professional, lawsuit is right around the corner. Its not like everyone is celebrating the creation of this new technology.

[@RichardMatey]

I like how someone who has never been in the creative industry feels like they know the best tools for them after stealing their work just to crush them into poverty. Thanks OpenAi

[@pikaso6586]

The data fell from one of KZbin's trucks

[@BuddyBearCreator]

how are you "concerned" about their "impact"?

[@JoshuaFinancialPL]

WSJ you should explore the copyright infringement they're doing

[@P4INKiller]

What copyright infringement?

[@matt.stevick]

Open AI’s Mira is gorgeous 📈🇺🇸🥰

[@Bronte014]

This is iPad 12.9 or 11?

[@Bronte014]

Now I know, it’s 12.9

[@kevinvarghese9919]

Its incredible that such a cutting edge technology is developed and run by 25-30year old folks.

[@punk3900]

The data was shady :D

[@elinglee8878]

I cant come up with any way why this will help with humanity

[@sapphyrus]

Looking forward to Stable Diffusion eventually doing this. I'd rather not be bound by censorship and would prefer to create locally without subscription and with open models.