Sam Altman: OpenAI, GPT-5, Sora, Board Saga, Elon Musk, Ilya, Power & AGI | Lex Fridman Podcast

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OUTLINE:
0:00 - Introduction
1:05 - OpenAI board saga
18:31 - Ilya Sutskever
24:40 - Elon Musk lawsuit
34:32 - Sora
44:23 - GPT-4
55:32 - Memory & privacy
1:02:36 - Q*
1:06:12 - GPT-5
1:09:27 - $7 trillion of compute
1:17:35 - Google and Gemini
1:28:40 - Leap to GPT-5
1:32:24 - AGI
1:50:57 - Aliens
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Here are the timestamps. Please check out our sponsors to support this podcast. Transcript: lexfridman.com/sam-altman-2-transcript 0:00 - Introduction & sponsor mentions: - Cloaked: cloaked.com/lex and use code LexPod to get 25% off - Shopify: shopify.com/lex to get $1 per month trial - BetterHelp: betterhelp.com/lex to get 10% off - ExpressVPN: expressvpn.com/lexpod to get 3 months free 1:05 - OpenAI board saga 18:31 - Ilya Sutskever 24:40 - Elon Musk lawsuit 34:32 - Sora 44:23 - GPT-4 55:32 - Memory & privacy 1:02:36 - Q* 1:06:12 - GPT-5 1:09:27 - $7 trillion of compute 1:17:35 - Google and Gemini 1:28:40 - Leap to GPT-5 1:32:24 - AGI 1:50:57 - Aliens

[@TheImprovNinjas]

💗

[@ItchyTrigahFingah]

The fact that these two still think consciousness isn’t something unique to life is laughable! You will never build general intelligence! You don’t even know what consciousness is!

[@ItchyTrigahFingah]

The fact that these two still think consciousness isn’t something unique to life is laughable! You will never build general intelligence! You don’t even know what consciousness is!

[@xzanman]

You forgot to timestamp the 132 ADs.

[@francescoambrosino1841]

Do you think that in 2035 with the advent of AGI (Artificial General Intelligence) and ASI (Super Artificial Intelligence) they will introduce universal basic income!? a subsidy!? there will be free will!? an era of abundance will begin!? the intellectual and motor capabilities of robots have already surpassed the average human and before 2035 there is talk of them surpassing those of any human and then again those of any human combined! regarding both body and mind! answer me please...

[@admkhaled5552]

I think I speak for everybody when I say, get Nvidia's CEO Jensen Huang on the podcast!

[@silotx]

The leatherman.

[@26101976bdm]

Hyperbole overload.

[@cbuchner1]

But I am afraid he might not talk a lot besides marketing material.

[@BarneyGumbl3]

​@@cbuchner1Lex asks very thoughtful and specific questions though, I have faith that Lex would be able to get a genuine conversation out of him

[@edum.6353]

Nvidia is literally powering chatgpt

[@eyannoronha831]

“Take me through the OpenAI board saga”. My boy Lex got straight to the point XD

[@mattmyers2624]

Let's take everything with a grain of salt until this goes through the court and all records are public. "Regurgitate me the propaganda narrative you came up with to save face while employees rallied behind you so they could get more than a $2 billion payout from a not-for-profit [and let's avoid speaking of your sister's many years of allegations of you sexually assaulting her for years as a child - where you seem desperate to attempt to maintain the head position of an organization that can AI generate realistic CSAM]."

[@hansadler6716]

Too bad Sam's reply was a whole lot of nothing.

[@zaphir127]

"Tell me how Blackrock totally didn't install stooges on your board of executives in order to secure powerful AI for their sentient killbots that will eventually come for us all"

[@danielblank6717]

And he said nothing.

[@theguyonyoutube4826]

​@mattmyers2624 for someone saying to wait and see you've sure seemed to have made up your mind

[@Andrei.igna23]

I never thought I would say this but Lex looks more alive than his guest.

[@kaynewest6167]

Lex asks straight forward questions off a paper and gets zero answers, His podcast is taking about 3% of daily energy to maintain

[@fateriddle14]

I love Lex poked from every angle trying to get Sam to talk about about the openAI drama, and all responded with deplomatic answers or redirections. But then he asked how Sam felt, his personal feeling through this whole drama, finally it cracked.

[@kaynewest6167]

Poked every angle ? He plays both sides while always choosing power over his feelings . Lex doesn’t have his own thoughts and sam isn’t here to play friends anymore

[@Amivit]

What timestamp?

[@Shaunmcdonogh-shaunsurfing]

Would be great to see an up and coming interview with Ilya

[@apache937]

what did he see?

[@CYI3ERPUNK]

would be great to see proof that Ilya is still alive at all

[@astronut2925]

Week later of the ouster, Altman came out and Sutskever went in the humiliation cave.

[@Morskoy915]

With a tour over the nuclear facility

[@000Gua000]

@@Morskoy915 That "doesn't exist".

[@dabbiking]

Lex is the only channel I check the length of the video thinking: "only" 2 hours? ❤

[@etomichelverny]

My Overoverovergod

[@Rareme530]

Try Dwarakesh too. Dude does a lot of research

[@erics7004]

Sammy has no time to waste.

[@IFYOUWANTITGOGETIT]

1 hour at 2x speed 😉

[@Gaius_Julius_Caesar_Augustus]

Yeah nice seeing two Jewish robot talking

[@drewtabke3294]

Feels like he’s portraying a humble, sensitive persona when he may actually be an egomaniac with unbelievable power at his disposal. Didn’t learn much from this interview, but still engaging and important stuff watching Altman’s communication strategies.

[@mcbrite]

Yes! All I took from the entire board saga in the end: I was hopeful/positive for OpenAI before, now I'm scared and get a nefarious vibe I really don't like...

[@brandoneickert]

I very much agree. It seems like the main things we can learn from a podcast like this is how someone wants to be portrayed

[@danielr9112]

Exactly what I felt, you got it to the point

[@Matt-es1wn]

Don't tear something down just because you don't understand it. Do you actually understand why he makes you uncomfortable?

[@RoxanneAlexisHenry]

I think we may have to admit that we all learn far more from uncomfortable uncertainties than the pleasant echo chambers we understandably tend to like. Not to be unkind or to root for drama but I'm certainly curious about the giant reaction this guy's uneasiness generated.... Might be something worth taking a look at there... Examination of all parties (we viewers/commenters included) illuminates a lot about psychology and sociology. 😅

[@benstirling9324]

Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg, Sam Altman, Jensen Huang and Bill Gates in one room with Lex hosting the discussion in a round table discussion would be insane and totally relevant. This would be the ultimate podcast.

[@doublevision5465]

I would not want to watch that on a full stomach nor an empty one for that matter. It would make my guts churn.

[@chirayudesai793]

@@doublevision5465don’t be so dramatic💀

[@ditonarendro2019]

+Elon Musk :)

[@reidarmor]

It’s nice to include robots like Sam Altman in the conversation

[@geoms6263]

what about cyborgs like Zuckerberg?

[@IemonandIime]

This is just two AIs conversing with each other

[@MelfiortheOne]

@@geoms6263did you mean reptiloid?

[@Maya-Blix]

He really does sound like a robot, doesn’t he?! 😂😂

[@unkind6070]

I don't know what are you talking about i see two robots 👍🏻

[@yousif4785]

This guy gives “The character who is on everyone’s good side, but actually turns out to be the villain” vibes

[@arttusiukonen9790]

I swear. Watch him closely he feels very emotionally dead and machivellian at the same time.

[@BarneyGumbl3]

Dude has a prepper bunker full of guns and years worth of food, tells you all you need to know about how he sees the future playing out

[@o-henry]

Dead-on. Him talking about how "painful" the board situation was for 20 min was hilarious. "But there was a lot of love too" It's like those amateurish horror stories on reddit about Skinwalkers imitating humans.

[@TrappedinaBrain]

Kinda like book littlefinger

[@vinyltherapy9410]

facts

[@benwilliams7078]

Thank you Lex. For these long discords to be able to hear and SEE someone's intent

[@Scout555]

This IS AGI answering the questions.

[@lethargic_cow]

Exactly

[@anyu8109]

Lex asked all the right questions, but I remember nothing from Altman's answers after the interview completes.

[@GizzyDillespee]

He clearly said we have great people working on it, and there's a big group of very smart AI researchers, and I'm actually very happy that we're doing that, because we need to think more about these things, and we don't want to overestimate the risks, and moving towards the future, we still have much more to take care of.

[@user-nb8ud9nu3j]

You, my boy, have a long way to go if you think those were all the right questions

[@John-wf5if]

All part of the plan

[@thefamousdjx]

Sam isnt really that deep, he just happens to lead a top AI company. Discussions about other civilizations and simulations are always interesting but he was just dead quiet there. Elon and Andrej really answered those questions quite well with deep thought

[@lubricustheslippery5028]

It felt a lot that he can't say to much or don't want. Both about technical stuff and the drama. More about the vision of the future may have been easier to talk about.

[@scottkann3554]

Don't know why but I get a bad vibe from this guy

[@JD-jl4yy]

He's the very definition of machiavellian, so yeah...

[@Yourmission9]

They’re all sociopathic narcissists in tech. Here’s to hoping it’s not “good game Earth we had some fun huh?” with regards to the advancements of AGI and more butterflies and rainbows 🤷‍♂️

[@moneycrab]

Me too

[@ycdwtv7017]

He was fired from YC because of his evil and self centric character. There was also an attempt to fire him from openAI due to his reckless behaviour. He is a dangerous man

[@dscuffman7679]

You're probably a reddit loser who doesn't know anything about AI. You probably hate Elon too.

[@ConstantinKogan]

Thank you for this interview 🫶🏻

[@EatSomeAcorns]

Love watching these while working on a fun project in the background.

[@dspacey788]

Straight up

[@KuchVinnie]

In the clip (57 Min) he totally avoided the question of tranparency and data privacy of user and started talking about his firing and tried to appeal emotionally. This guy is shrewd. how long is AWM19V opened to us?

[@WALLACE9009]

What??

[@goodgoyim9459]

They are both jewish. They see themselves as of a higher caste with in-built nepotism of extreme proportions.

[@throughtheendlessinertia1915]

Bot

[@FayazKadir]

They are both Zionists. What did you expect from them?

[@xtr.7662]

Because it doesnt matter everything you use collects your info

[@eamonshields2754]

This dude speaks like such a politician

[@jochennel]

talks 2 hours but only moves air and doesn't say anything - scary

[@esyjournal]

@@jochennel He actually said a lot , were you listening?

[@esyjournal]

People need to take their time and form their thoughts, he's not running a Burger joint

[@Timbo360]

@@esyjournalhe can say a lot, doesn’t mean it has substance. He said in a lot of words just in the beginning “AI/AGI is going to have a power struggle” without elaborating on it. Look more into Sam and the company lol.

[@manwithnewname]

​@@Timbo360how would you like him to elaborate on that? There's not much more to say without a crystal ball

[@alexsapozhkov4665]

Nice to see so many great pocker players here who can read the people mind just by watching a video interviews with them. Seriously, you guys are so good at distinguishing people with good intentions from the opposite?

[@szymczak34]

Yes, thankfully people have this ability. It protects them from being taken in by charlatans like Trump and this guy.

[@hantla]

Thank you, Lex, for these interviews.

[@galivnik6491]

No question about sexual abuse of Annie Altman, ofcourse. What a cool guy this Sam Altman.

[@bfr5621]

Two hours of information withholding.

[@nyahhbinghi]

yes

[@Prometheus70747]

Yeah at the moment all he's talking about is the company dynamics. It's quite boring.

[@yagoa]

oh the irony

[@chinmarin380]

Maybe because Lex spent the first 20 minutes badgering him about the OpenAI drama like a tabloid journalist

[@yagoa]

he was soft-balling the whole time though...@@chinmarin380

[@risesrivastava]

Never thought Sora would create a Lex's Podcast

[@frankc.astle214]

we are so close to this being a reality…

[@vaibhavsati538]

@@frankc.astle214we're fked

[@etomichelverny]

My Overoverovergod

[@fiftyseventh]

😂😂😂😂

[@SvaSattva]

I got exactly the same feeling, Lex's hand gestures, video quality. Perhaps perhaps not lol

[@anamementos]

38:00 I love this part. The negotiation.

[@Renatus_Eruditus]

I like the choice of background, for a change of tone in this discussion. Was this at Sam's request?

[@BestOfTate23]

How can someone so smart teach us so little after a 2 hour interview

[@pushkarbaral4064]

By being very diplomatic and careful not to offend anyone.

[@imaspacecreature]

​@@pushkarbaral4064You mean,* not to inform, I hope.

[@pushkarbaral4064]

yes @@imaspacecreature

[@pushkarbaral4064]

he was a pure soul when he started, and now the corporation has corrupted his soul, his mouth is tied. He spoke his heart , and served the world. Now he speaks his mind, and serves the devil. Probably oversimlifed and overstated. He is trying to save his soul. But the internal struggle is impossibly hard. @@imaspacecreature

[@matejhladky4460]

@@pushkarbaral4064So that's what the liberal mantra "right not to be offended" gets you. Everyone afraid to say anything about anything, so that fragile minds don't get upset.

[@strwz]

are all Sam answers missing Lex questions point, or is it just me?

[@ekothesilent9456]

This dude sounds like an NPC

[@ElektronicEscalation]

Yes, he did it the last podcast as well! Typical CEO behavior but Sam Altman really does it a lotttt

[@QuietEscapism]

Sam gives me manipulative liar vibes

[@vladimirleon2487]

After scrolling through quite a few comments I finally found this thread. I'm surprised more people aren't pointing this out. Yes, Altman gives CEO answers, but also... He's learned a "love" vibe too well, and I feel like he's using manipulative tactics constantly on top of that. I don't quite trust him. There are a couple short moments that I think are real, but there are more moments where it's hard to tell if he's honest at all... Certainly he reframes each question slightly to avoid much true detail...

[@tobyausneurobi]

When he said "I love Ilya" you could just sense that deep down he probably feels the exact opposite about him. People like Sam Altman are really really dangerous.

[@xgnglint6466]

Thank you very much for a good interview.

[@kevshow]

I think this is one of the best podcast endings I have ever seen @lexfridman ! Super excited to hear about your journey to the amazon! and your trip figuratively and literally lol.

[@xan590]

any chance you will get Ilya again? if possible would be great to hear both sides of the saga

[@nonotreallythx]

While I'd love to hear from him, you generally have to hear one side of the saga before you can hear both sides. And so far, we've heard no sides, just some emotional responses to it.

[@citizenblue]

I think Ilya is hanging out somewhere with Kate Middleton

[@neociber24]

We need to start searching on nuclear facilities

[@executivelifehacks6747]

I find Ilya to be the most interesting and informative AI persona, definitely want to see more of him.

[@steviemac1737]

Tbh I don't want to hear the saga from Ilya, I want to hear his insights and wisdom on AI.

[@jacobrogers2214]

Lex has gotten more assertive and I'm all here for it. Especially because he's well-informed so it's not just like typical media grandstanding.

[@LucidiaRising]

He wasn't very assertive with Netanyahu - I feel like his credibility in my eyes definitely took a hit with that choice of interview, he could have really asked some big questions but dropped the ball completely

[@MR-oy5yt]

What do you mean more assertive. The first question about the board drama gets completely dodged and Lex just rolls with it :/

[@joelee4495]

Lex the robot's A I. Is learning to be more assertive. Soon he will go full Terminator.

[@LucidiaRising]

Of course, giving a platform to a man committing genocide was hardly the best idea to begin with lol

[@ModerateObserver]

True, except for his interactions with Elon Musk, where he turns into an excited puppy 😆

[@jnevercast]

This was a very enjoyable interview. Thank you Sam, and Lex. I see a lot of people with fear in the comments, and I feel like they attribute that where it probably doesn't need to be.

[@DotCSV]

1:03:13 - Qué es Q* y avances más graduales o abruptos, GPT-5. 1:28:38 - Mejoras de GPT-4 a GPT-5 0:44:23 - GPT-4 kind of sucks... 0:47:46 - ChatGPT como interfaz y momento clave. 1:00:30 - Pensar rápido, pensar lento.

[@sapereaude155]

Gracias Dot! Estuve en tu directo

[@hypehuey6747]

merci

[@AhmedSaeed97]

I took nothing away from this interview

[@gunzor8717]

Same. The only thing I took away from the Rogan one was that Rogan's algorithm is full of murder

[@BarneyGumbl3]

​@@gunzor8717Rogans feed is your average edgy 14 year olds I bet, gore, war, fights, cop shootings, and animal attacks

[@Alpha-Angel]

Then it's not your place i guess

[@Ravroid]

it's okay you couldn't keep up, go watch some tik toks or something

[@vaughnjosh87]

Meh, it's KZbin. You couldn't fit more attention whores in if you packed them sideways.

[@alexdowlen9347]

Lex is spicy in this interview! I love the new pressure he’s putting on Sam to answer his questions. Hoping to more of this in future episodes.

[@tr0gd0sa]

he's such an elon cuck and i'm a fan of Lex

[@dusanbosnjakovic6588]

He's not really challenging. He's joking. Wish it was a bit harder questions.

[@SeCluDred]

there was no pressure, cmon :D

[@Tush1rG]

Yes being elons side

[@doyourownresearch7297]

@@dusanbosnjakovic6588 what kind of hard questions?

[@bobbrauer6954]

Enjoyable. Fermi Paradox always generates a lot of debate - I wish they'd gone deeper. German still capitalizes nouns.

[@Calbac-Senbreak]

There isn't really too much to discuss instead of people being delusional. There are many aliens species, and they ARE spread out the universe (not 100% sure about our galaxy), we just happen to: 1- not know about their communication with our leaders; 2- didn't happen to be close enough to one of them

[@SmirkInvestigator]

When AGI can propose novel experiments and dream up interpretations from results will be amazing

[@user-el9nt9ps5d]

The amount of vocal fry is truly Elizabeth Holmes level.

[@hyennussquatch4597]

what is a vocal fry? i know only about french fry..

[@nyahhbinghi]

@@hyennussquatch4597 youtube it, bro

[@GizzyDillespee]

​@@hyennussquatch4597It's a meme that associates vocal raspiness with insincerity

[@Disastrous_Macaron]

Kim Kardashian 😂

[@cparksaffluent]

Yes. Really annoying lol

[@xingzhexin8843]

1:09:22 “You're not the man you used to be, Sam." "Very different job now than what I used to have." I watched this part so many times and it still sends chills down my back. I listened to the 2 podcasts with Sam so many times and examined them in detail. In the first podcast, Sam's stance was "Look at the amount of pettiness among the "experts" when we started, now look where we are. We are going fast and going strong. Great accomplishments, huge milestones, bright future ahead." He was the guy defying all odds and proving everyone wrong by making something remarkable. The future was unknown, and in a dark cave, there was light. Now things have completely changed. By moving towards that light it becomes clear that AGI is not an IF but WHEN, and as things move forward at exponential speeds, we are racing toward that light we see, kicking and pulling on the people around us, and what's waiting for us at the destination? Would we run off a cliff without being able to stop? The level of certainty in his face and voice just 11 months ago that OpenAI would either make AGI or "not make AGI but still make humans super great", and the level of uncertainty we see today that "AGIs are coming any second and the world is not ready for it", is insane.

[@Kobe29261]

What was remarkable between then and now to me was his wisdom; his going on record to say essentially he'd at least hope to set aside his own need/desire for power in exchange for saftely. How fortuante for the world that someone like him is at the helm. I love Elon but its rather obvious that we cannot trust him with irreversible power buttons.

[@notokek]

Thank you for pointing out the timestamp I rewatched it several times. Got chills as well Really make you think how much one can be changed by many. It'll be an interesting movie to watch in 10 years

[@VejmR]

I don't understand, so you mean he became less certain about AGI?

[@brandedsniper49]

@@VejmR I take it to mean more certain it's on the horizon, less certain the uses will be worth the risk. I suspect Sam has a much better understanding of how even people he would have innately trusted can be swayed by the stress of power. That doesn't extrapolate optimistically to the development or potential uses of a tool as powerful as AGI.

[@xingzhexin8843]

​@@VejmR To put it simply, he has become certain that AGI will be here, most likely very soon, and now the work has changed from "Can we maybe create AGI?" to "What do we do with AGI to not ruin the world." It's the same with nukes. "How do we build a nuke?" is a scientific problem. He was Oppenheimer. After nukes were made it becomes a political game: "How do we leverage our nukes to gain advantage in world politics?" His identity is shifting or has already shifted from being a research scientist to a politician. That's my understanding of this line he said. Edit: I can't spell. Removed an extra "s".

[@rafaelpriegogarcia336]

Many thanks. Gracias por un programa y una entrevista de lujo

[@roanaur7518]

they are mostly talking about nuclear fission (what we have today) and not fusion, correction for the subtitles! After mentioning fusion at 1:11:45

[@TheThriftShopSampler]

I'm effectively getting real altruistic Sam Bankman-Fried vibes off this guy.

[@sierrabianca]

@TheThriftShopSampler The chances altruism plays any role in what he does is essentially nil.

[@tristinyaeger9222]

If I'm recalling correctly Sam is or was part of the real altruist movement

[@aplfisher]

100%

[@TahoeRealm]

@@tristinyaeger9222 that's what you do when you want to hide in plain sight

[@cosalidra759]

We need Elon, Ilya, Max Tegmark and Sam in one room. Lex as moderator..Please.

[@Nightclub20xx]

Lex been having a good variety of interviews this year love it

[@bookofbrah]

Bro its crazy, so many good/interesting/extremely relevant guests! Just love his podcasts

[@shaunlunney7551]

Seems Sam is very protected now after the power struggle. A bit of mental hardening after the ousting. I think he is thoughtful, smart and empathetic but easily hurt. Lex is great on the questions! glad to listen to this conversation with an important figure in the early days of this disruptive technology.

[@lostintranslation3789]

If we are in a simulation. Sam has been clearly programmed to be a big part of this. That aside consciousness and the ability to learn and grow is a beautiful thing. Thank you creator.

[@jaysonp9426]

Everytime I watch Altman I trust him less and less

[@keenynthewise]

it’s funny because every new interview he has gotten more powerful, either he is becoming more and more smug or more and more corrupted by such power.

[@chronicles8324]

pointless interview and you can tell Lex knows it with his sarcastic jokes late on. Altman answers in CEO form. There was some better responses late on but the first hour of the interview was just a waste of time.

[@user-nb8ud9nu3j]

I hope he won't see your comment, cuz that would just be devastating for him

[@Koryogden]

Everytime I read a comment like this, I think most people are shitty

[@LuguClips]

I had to check my phone every time Sam pauses thinking an Ad is popping up, but bro is actually thinking not to mess things up 😂

[@BarneyGumbl3]

Same my airpods have been playing up and turning off and I keep turning them off trying to turn them on

[@Koryogden]

Yeah, unfortunately he is anxious. And sadly, people are like suspicious because they can't comprehend human emotion

[@lawrencemurphy127]

THIS GUY IS A WEASAL.

[@blaaaaaaaaahify]

Well. He runs the hottest shiet in the tech industry. There's big money from big players involved.. i'd be veeeery careful too sitting at the top of a 100 billion $ company 😂. You too

[@J35Y1]

​@blaaaaaaaaahify these randos cant understand, theyre just content consumers.

[@SirKenGme]

Thank you Lex, that invite him I get many something from him and you that make question. PS. I never know that ... thinking about Capital words

[@anamementos]

1:06:30 "what's the way we release this thing", makes me think he refers to making Sam give honest first hand answers. I adore the dynamic that's happening. It really is about getting Sam to open up. But of course, it's hard.

[@maxbarno]

Lex first question "Take me through the OpenAI board saga". *Sam Altman* - I had the feels and stuff. Way to answer the question....

[@BuildItFixItDIY]

EXACTLY! He talks and talks but conveys nothing! = nefarious things happening.

[@MrSeanman30]

Sounds like Mark Zuckerberg when being asked questions from congress

[@MR-oy5yt]

Unfortunate Lex didn't double down on the question and just takes the evasive stuff and moves on

[@matejhladky4460]

@@MrSeanman30You mean like the question what data types they store? Or when if a guy walks across the room with an iPhone, does Google see that? Oh wait, that was Sundar. yeah, i'd be as confused as they were.

[@indiablackwell]

“For a second I felt like a human being, and I never want to feel that again”

[@pinnacle4616]

If you listen closely at 1:11:56 when Sam finishes saying Nuclear Fusion, his robotic parts make a glitchy sound

[@cschenonep]

🤣

[@Koryogden]

I love Sam Altman even more after realizing that what im seeing is an extremely high level of perspective - which itself operates outside the Overton Thinking Window... Sam Altman is so smart that people grab pitchforks because they panic

[@shajjadaugustine4321]

In the clip (57 Min) he totally avoided the question of tranparency and data privacy of user and started talking about his firing and tried to appeal emotionally. This guy is shrewd.

[@galaxybrainkid1222]

I noted that he didn't answer the question of what ACTUALLY happened at OpenAI. Still don't know why they fired him, only how hurt he was by it

[@xxxneoxxx]

Yeah I found "User choice" to be very broad.

[@aprilloft]

This was a huge red flag to me. Not only was it an issue I wanted to hear discussed (its huge in the public space right now) but the way he shifted the attention to his personal pain? It was the exact wrong moment to invite empathy. Nope! Sorry Sam burn out isn’t a get out of jail free answer to ethical concerns.

[@bookofbrah]

@@aprilloft100% spot on!

[@stefanagriko1884]

"I personally hate lawsuits" what a great insight

[@lukeskydropper]

shill

[@Fisj]

ofc. They use all the data available on the internet that's not theirs. Stronger case to put forward on podcasts etc. that you don't like lawsuits.

[@rasn]

sam seems very untrusting of lex so far lol. (I'm only 30 mins in so hopefully changes)

[@papaspooks8531]

really wish there were more altman interviews elsewhere so i don't have to listen to lex

[@rnambala]

@@rasnwell given that Lex is Elon’s friend…that checks out with Sam being sued by Lex’s friend

[@jochenjanssens5944]

'Hello' will always be my first word in a prompt.

[@stevrgrs]

Haha same here lol. I say “thank you “ too 😂

[@slavinicus]

@@stevrgrs exactly, if we don't teach AI good manners... SKYNET

[@youtubeaccount1718]

@@stevrgrs y'all are weird ngl

[@HakaiKaien]

Yeah, don't worry sweet talking AI. Worry about not saying anything to the politicians using AI to screw you. Just recently, EU created an AI law where it makes certain AI illegal to use by anyone but the government. So prepare for the social credit system.

[@dirtyhiggins5484]

Damn it! I thought this was an interview with The Disco Biscuits original drummer. Maybe get him on sometime Lex

[@arunasm11]

The most interesting thing about this interview is how many people think it's a great interview.

[@Cusey]

that's every Lex podcast

[@egor.okhterov]

Not a lot

[@allanshpeley4284]

What problem did you have with the interview?

[@koalalala3939]

That's interesting. I have to think about that.

[@galex2000]

a lot - like… more than 3?

[@TheKilkenny1967]

Thanks for asking most of the questions we put to you on LinkedIn Lex. Amazing podcast 👏

[@jonathangilliam875]

Yes but Sam didnt answer to them. What a useless Interview.

[@elmorganou]

Evening lads, well, i've watched this twice now...with friends and family. Slightly concerned, as one should be, but this is indeed the world we live in. Thank you Lex for the platforme.🇫🇷🥂

[@vb8682]

Sam Altman would make a great politician! He talks a lot without actually saying anything.

[@blaaaaaaaaahify]

as he should. a lot to learn for future business owners that want to succeed.

[@kaynewest6167]

Sam is under a microscope by world leaders . would you be screaming your blueprints or having friendly conversations with interviewers ?

[@damakralj]

His voice is like an itch on my brain I can't scratch

[@TheIronpusher]

On the cusp of AGI, the doorsteps to absolute power stands Sa-ah-ah-am. Seriously though, we are really going to let this vocal fry communicating robot take over the world?

[@ultrasound1459]

​@@TheIronpusher🤡

[@darylallen2485]

😂 Not sure if thats a compliment or insult🤣

[@ragehealer834]

​@@darylallen2485what about that would be a compliment

[@nn4151]

It’s called vocal fry I think its common in San Francisco people

[@impc8347]

Lex is basically a really awesome prompt machine! Thanks for this interview.

[@aniketsingh1057]

Thank you so much lex❤❤

[@calebsuit5390]

I love all your content, especially what is focused on AI. I'd love to listen to you interview William Gibson to discuss how realistic the plot of his novel Neuromancer may seem now. Will AI constructs compete with each other?

[@christoffer6527]

We need Elon, Lex, Sam and Zuckerberg in the same room next episode. we demand it

[@JackJackson-NBN]

😮

[@6jot]

​@@SuperYogagirlElon is much cooler than all of them combined. You must be very woke to harbor such intense hatred towards him.

[@dontwannabefound]

Hahaha that would be so awesome omg

[@a.v.5078]

That will be an Alien slasher movie.

[@vicc6790]

@@SuperYogagirl not everyone has a weird hate boner for Elon like you, Elon would be my number 1 guest on that list of names. By far.

[@whitetuxedo7075]

Sam: Our goal is not to have shock updates to the world. Lex: What is Qstar? Sam: We're not ready to talk about that...

[@fernandooliveiralino]

Great talk, thank you.

[@adaslesniak]

Awesome interview.

[@bright7522]

I’m so glad Lex brought up the “What did you see Ilya!?” meme 😂

[@MacroAcc]

can someone explain me this. for some reason i dont get it after seeing it a million times

[@glenh1369]

And the answer he got for it was verbal tossed salad.

[@martink6254]

I have bad vibes about Sam. Just very calculated about certain questions, I smell some dishonesty. Also seems he calls all the shots, is above the board and chairman.

[@bright7522]

@@MacroAcc the meme suggests Ilya saw AGI or something worrying and this caused him to vote to kick out Sam due to the gravity of what he saw

[@RoganClipVaultYT]

@@MacroAccwhen altman got kicked out by the board, ilya sutskever who was a founding member and is the one driving most of the technical aspects of openai voted to kick altman out. The reason for that is unknown, which is what caused the meme. No one knows what happened at openai and what caused them to kick altman out, hence “what did ilya see (to make him want to kick altman out)”

[@jakubjezovic]

Lovely to see Sam from ClosedAI

[@scififan698]

Interesting how he avoided the question about why Ilya thought he needed to go, isn't it?

[@ShadowRO752]

1:11:54 one moment they're talking about nuclear fusion and then they're talking about nuclear fission but the subtitles keep on saying "fusion" on and on and on. You should be careful about this because maybe some non-english speakers might understand something else, or nothing at all. I'm not part of that bunch but I do tend to enable subtitles sometimes just for having a clearer understanding of some words I might not hear properly (for different reasons) and I happened to notice this. This is just an example, because I've noticed other mistakes like this throughout the whole video.

[@ModerateObserver]

1:06:12 gotta love Lex's casual delivery 🤣

[@KungFuChess]

Sam Altman gives me super villain vibes

[@ShrimpyWilliams]

Wait until you hear about the theory that he is actually trying to take over the world

[@jovangaltic]

Yeah, dude is creepy...

[@paulm3969]

I think it's just his generation. Uninspired, boring and just out there fulfilling the captain of industries dream. Automating economic output at all costs. Nothing really exciting or imaginative about it. Maybe the machine will produce something exciting... almost like a script being followed.

[@HappyJoeShmoh]

@@paulm3969 that’s a pretty profound take. Thank you.

[@user-nb8ud9nu3j]

That's just because he's so much smarter than you.

[@ChristopherConnors]

Fantastic questions and conversation Lex, thank you so much for your work!😊

[@unquestionabletv]

I capitalize all my notes and everything - proper punctuation, too!

[@casper335631]

These recent episodes have been so great, I wasn't able keep up with the high amount of podcasts you released before. But the last couple of weeks I have been enjoying the heck out of every released podcast, thanks Lex for keeping to improve your process and make ever podcast better than the one before

[@6410601]

the vocal fry torments me

[@ihbrzmkqushzavojtr72mw5pqf6]

Aaaahhh I hate it so much😡

[@hailandfire1822]

Sexually tormenting?

[@imtryingtodrawhere4280]

It makes me feel claustrophobic 😭

[@tripik426]

The fact that this is the only thing you take away from this video speaks a lot of your intelligence

[@cin8films]

I can't handle it, it's too annoying!

[@AlgorithimError]

Sam thaank you so much i am so grateful

[@tariq3erwa]

1:14:25 Yep, for example the media coverage of the conflict in Sudan vs coverage of the conflict in Gaza.

[@swapticsounds]

The master of vocal-fry. Could be a cool drinking game: Everytime Sam pronounces a syllable WITHOUT vocal-fry, everybody has to drink a shot. :D

[@loganrobertson3597]

I can’t unhear it now 😭

[@dgodiex]

fucking hell that fake voice. Unbearable.

[@paulmichaelfreedman8334]

I hate it.

[@willwcbb]

Please I'm so thirsty

[@jessiecasson2643]

Vocal fry is a tactic used to feign humility while screwing over the intended audience.

[@adventurebonnie4808]

I never thought I’d see Lex interview the founder of Skynet.

[@user-mo2sg8mf5k]

He isn’t the founder though. He was just a PR guy

[@simple-Earthling]

At least we got a good Lex interview before he handed the world unwittingly to the demon he has no idea exist ruling the world. Sad dystopia he is rushing us off to as Bill Gates 2.0, surprising Altman sees no issues with Bills insane control of humanity, down to owning patent rights for organic seeds.

[@NathansHVAC]

​. Sam is lead developer and picked the team

[@Zadrigo]

He is Skynet's marketing guy, neither founder nor tech guy.

[@kstaxman2]

Why wouldn't he? Many sides to this cube.

[@mike-480]

Glad I checked the comments early. Saved 2 hrs of my life.

[@Alpha-Angel]

People can say all type of things. You'll waste them on something else anyway.

[@billhuang8778]

The Q-star thing is really interesting here. The fact that OpenAI is so quiet about it says a lot about it as Lex pointed out, I think that Q-star is indeed a new form of fine-tuning of GPT whose performance is so astounding that even OpenAI can not explain.

[@JamesOKeefe-US]

Lex is a force of nature. Not only does he get the most influential guests but it also seems like the guests seek him out and it is just as important for them to be on with Lex. Amazing journey, congratulations Lex, you are awesome!

[@6Sparx9]

Thanks, other O'Keefe.

[@bbmatfreddy]

Of course, after all Lex does not ask any difficult or important questions. The guests basically promote themselves, and I also feel Lex prepared very poorly for this interview. No in-detail questions, just layups and easy way outs...not a satisfying and value added experience. I learned nothing new that I did not already know.

[@uSnatchios]

The only weakness Lex has, I'd agree. His style is incredibly non-combative@@bbmatfreddy

[@Astra2]

@@bbmatfreddy He's not a reporter. His aim isn't to dig up dirt on his guest, it's to let them speak and give insights into their own knowledge/wisdom. If you think his questions were too surface level, then that's a valid argument.

[@bbmatfreddy]

@@Astra2 he takes on the function as investigative journalist. In that he does a pretty poor job. Not sure what else his purpose in such interview would be. Altman could as well have just used a Sora bot to ask easy questions that make him come out on top of everything. For example, why did Lex not press harder on the opensource issue. Letting Altman simply say "I don't even know what this lawsuit is about" is as disingenuous and dishonest as it gets. OpenAI not being open at all. Letting tons of outsiders contribute for free, for Elon to invest millions, and then shutting the whole thing down and distributing unheard sums to friends and family, aka employees. Really? Lex had nothing to ask about that? Or the issue of Sora being trained on unlicensed content. Whatever one's position on this may be, it's an important issue worth many upcoming lawsuits. I stand by my stance, one of Lex's worst conversations and interviews and a great chance wasted to get to the bottom of many very important topics.

[@1x93cm]

Sam Altman -*TRUST ME BRO*

[@Koryogden]

Too bad you can't see the nuances

[@1x93cm]

@@KoryogdenToo bad you can't see the obvious.

[@rjjohnson2402]

1:33:50 Yes it did change the world. In the future, November 30, 2022, will be looked at as an inflection point. It is when there was a leveling of the world of intelligence. I was 67 and suddenly i can develop software applications, do PhD level research. Ask the deepest questions of my heart, and on and on. Sure it has many limitations but before I could even complain, new models with more capabilities were released every month. Just when i knew how to get a certain task accomplished without error (hallucinations), some newer plug in, the gpt comes along and that's no longer a problem. And just over a year later, we have text to video (Sora)! Absolutely spectacular growth and advancement. I've never been more excited to be alive. 🔥

[@jesscmcmxc]

thanks for sharing your perspective :) i'm disabled and feel the same way 🥰❤️🌈

[@BilalSyed-ks9kb]

Thank you...❤

[@isaacsamuel6035]

Hey Sora, create a video with Lex Fridman interviewing Sam Altman for about 2 hours talking about AI and the state of the technology in society.

[@Neptunade]

Yeah and then break in and post it from Lex' account to confuse everybody? Get real

[@vladimirleon2487]

Wow Sora's getting good, hey make sure the NPC says very little while speaking a lot.

[@isaacsamuel6035]

@@Neptunade someone can’t take a joke. Sheeesh

[@Goodnesswithros]

Congrats and advance wishes on your stay in Amazon. Hope it brings more clarity and serenity. Thanks for the great interviews. Wishing you safety and protection!

[@pointbrake3183]

amazing new model referring to sora? either way exiting

[@natolages]

Hello This is the key question that no one is asking St. Altman A few months ago you mentioned that you were present when something was discovered that pushed back the veil of ignorance. The question is: Was that discovery 'Sora'? If the answer is no, then the anticipation for what it might be is even greater.❤❤❤❤

[@anshjaiswal8377]

Thank you for releasing in the middle of my mid term exams now I can't skip

[@regicoco904]

Womp womp

[@saulm2007]

You'll probably learn more out of this 1.5 hours than any formal education.

[@balboa9439]

One advice from drop out student. Don't waste that time. If you have opportunity to study what you like then study hard. Easy to say.... I know... but DO IT! Focus on what is important. I believe in you :)

[@yt-sh]

come back to this shiny thing after your exams are done

[@usefulprogrammer9880]

This conversation, besides Sam’s comments on the board movements, largely mimic that which took place last year. I think these models have exceeded Sam’s technical depth. And I think the closed source, for profit business plan, Open AI has adapted to prevents lower level personnel from speaking to the challenges they are dealing with day to day, that the greater community might enjoy and derive real value from. This felt so high level that I could conceive it being synthetically generated.

[@DeadRyGuy]

Well said. A lot of comments noting they don't trust Sam/get bad "vibes" from him. Really all I'm picking up on are very calculated, non-inflammatory responses amounting to very little.

[@emmersonzhaime1998]

This is exactly how I felt. Initially I felt like Lex was trying to be more technical but the guy sounded like a software salesman who doesn’t want to get deeper. Had to google his background again cause I was very surprised

[@usefulprogrammer9880]

@@DeadRyGuy and to a certain extent you have to expect corporate speak from a guy in his position. Because the valuation correlates with his sentiments. But this product category is far more nuanced, if I was a shareholder I’d expect a lot more technical depth.

[@usefulprogrammer9880]

@@emmersonzhaime1998 Lex has interviewed Open AI’s real CTO Ilya Sutskever, albeit years ago, and years before they even had a product. I have no idea who this Mira Murati is claiming to be CTO but in interviews she’s somehow more inept than Sam. I believe she’s likely a token figurehead. The interview with Ilya was adequately technical, but he’s been radio silent since, almost as if he’s being intentionally silenced. I can’t make sense of much of this company, but as someone in the space, I am really curious to see how this plays out for them.

[@ryzikx]

@@usefulprogrammer9880ilya is definitely hostage in that nuclear bunker 😂😂

[@cemejnlimak3872]

Hi there, would you (or do you plan to) interview Emad Mostaque (formerly) of Stability AI. I would just love you two exchange ideas and you to pick the brain of his.))) Thank you for your work, Lex! [deep bows]

[@NanoAGI]

Civilizations have certain milestones that change the direction of humanity, this is one of them. I have been in AI for 30+ years and this time the impact is real as can be seen by the number of people working on it and doing incredible things with it. This is just the start. You both are doing great in explaining it to the word.

[@CdeCiencia]

Extremely interesting. Thank you Lex

[@luiseduardo7ho]

Hola Marti 😅

[@4l3dx]

Is fascinating

[@paulmichaelfreedman8334]

@@numbercruncher6242 You mean, he says a lot, but tells nothing.

[@yahanaashaqua]

I clicked on this so fast I almost lost a finger 😂

[@janos1945]

y adiosss

[@Valeriimakovetskii]

- Are you training Sora on other peoples' IP? - I think people who created valuable content should be compensated - ok, thank you for answering This is what this conversation looks like in a short form. Thank you Lex, very insightful

[@doyourownresearch7297]

i dont care if it is trained on other peoples IP

[@BinaryDood]

​@@doyourownresearch7297say that to me when your face is being used for "bank robbing attempt 176". Allowing it to use your most private data in something that can so actively harm you is a terrible precedent. You are inviting the most powerful digital panopticon.

[@Rugg-qk4pl]

@@doyourownresearch7297 You don't care about theft or intellectual property. Cool.

[@itscaptainterry]

​@@doyourownresearch7297guess you don't plan to create anything of value in your lifetime then

[@MU.200]

If the data and models etc. were all open source and not for profit I think it would be fine.

[@criptovida]

It was good to hear Sam and the fact that they want to keep a free version of their product and the option to pay for advanced features it great. Lex consider bringing the NVIDIA CEO or a live interview with Snowden.

[@nouribenz]

Amazing episode and deep subjects as always, and what I liked the most is how Sam answered every question wisely and he's respecting every person talked about even what we can see them as his enemy now like Elon, but the truth is that 'enemy' is in business and not in the good of this world. love you guys and thank you Lex ❤ , you're creating history also (in our browsers lol jk haha)

[@hmind9836]

Dude, Lex absolutely killed it on this interview! Mixing up funny and calming questions with the hard ones and memeing just the right ammount to make Sam feel better.

[@kylekorona]

Do you think they conjugate in vinery

[@KevKlopper]

He could have asked what the the new market structure post AI will look like when Altman hinted at it. Imagine brushing over that world shifting fact.

[@luizdevil6855]

@@KevKlopper its neofeudalism, isn't that obvious ? we're already seeing it since 2020