OLDER VIDEO FOR DEFENSE, everything changes with set bonuses later

[@moodys9855]

My conspiracy theory is, that math teachers made this game to prove us wrong when we told them we'd never need the stuff they were teaching us.

[@knayvik]

wait till you see the warframe math

[@ryechew]

I really didn't know people would like all this math. I've done this for a long time but never shared with people.

[@minzekatze]

@@ryechew please always share this stuff is too interesting and ill sub because of it

[@ryechew]

@@minzekatze Im super excited to do this in monster hunter

[@blacknova7789]

@@ryechewomg yes please! Monhun maths is honestly engaging af and goes along way for meta builds!

[@azzyx8870]

Easily the best TFD channel there is. Everyone else doing helpful guides is convenient but THE MATH is what really counts for the ultra sweats like myself. Appreciate it very much. Looks like i can relax on the defence currently at 52k on Freyna.

[@ryechew]

I think so. I want mine at 50k the rest goes to hp. But that's for me

[@azzyx8870]

@@ryechew Definitely stack HP. Shields seem almost worthless in this game. Increased HP and HP Amplification mods are well worth over shield mods imo.

[@steveaguilar9833]

​@@azzyx8870 is that because you can get hp drops from mobs? I feel like I prefer hp mods too

[@johndymond4596]

I'm at about 4k lol

[@Mashamazzi]

I haven't progressed too far yet, but what I prefer to know is the brackets for diminishing returns Not sure how that would fit into this game yet though

[@Gloom_YT]

I'm so bad at math that I get mesmerized by people who actually calculates things from a game. For that... I thank you for existing.

[@htidman23]

That makes two of us🤣

[@xenvius_]

Same! I’m excited for his excel sheet so I can plug in numbers and it calculates for me 😊😅

[@aZRLLL_NL]

same here!

[@freezax4]

He incorrect calculation for the whole game lol 😂 bro just took the best guess he could from being hit lol 😂😂

[@lukaspumo3498]

You should see the backend for elden ring 😂 the equations for protections is actually insane and like almost 20 years old

[@fedord01]

I am sooo grateful that people like you exist in this community! I've been wondering since day 1 about defense and resists and what number is optimal etc. You are awesome for doing the hard testing for us. Kudos to you.

[@McLoven-vm1ck]

I'm sure a lot us were, especially us looter-shooter fans/vets that have come from Warframe and the division where we have been min maxing defense for years. Having no idea what values I'm after has been driving me nuts and I've just been trying to stack as much as I reasonably can.

[@gasser5001]

I love when people science the shit out of stuff AND THEN SHARE THAT INFO!!! You’re a legend, my friend. Liked and sub’d for the cause.

[@Hammer2k11]

I really enjoy your videos. No nonsense and crunching hard numbers about the game's mechanics. And thank you for putting the hours in with all the damage testing.

[@camking5740]

FINALLY I found you. I have swam through a sea of content creators and their super awesome best in the game BS tier lists and stale farm locations. The guy who does it right. To the point, effective, and mathematically proven. As an engineer I have but one thing to say, SUBSCRIIIIIBED!

[@Mostbaleia]

No click bait, not a parrot repeating what every other has said already, actually testing and researching their own material, and goes directly to the point without making roundabouts around the topic. I love it.

[@sailboattrash]

Also an engineer. Also subscribed. Also not just reading and repeating what the descriptions in the game already fucking tell us.

[@raymondwang6272]

as now i only played Ajax, I was blindly building up Def and HP lol. Very informative video, thank you for the great work.

[@mirasolovklose3888]

As Ajax you can use the DEF as you void walk scales of it.

[@alaskayoung3413]

When should I stop building defense at?

[@kmitsu2319]

no wonder i had like 45k DEF and 3k HP but i still died easily on bunny, now I optimized my module and got around 25k DEF and 14k HP and its much better!!

[@CrestOfDragonar]

That part

[@DG-2323]

How are you getting that much HP? I feel like I’m only seeing buffs of like 100-200?

[@TuskedMedia]

@@DG-2323 there are a good number of modules that buff hp. Got to the Access Log for Modules and search HP. You'll find everything there. They for sure have the blue Increased HP maxed which is already +190%. It can go crazy from there tbh. Though 14k is quite high.

[@CrestOfDragonar]

@@DG-2323depends if you beat the campaign, if you did then those numbers are due to ultimate HP external components with max mp also equipped inside the roll pool. Also if your max hp mod is maxed out that’s another reason that’s all I know, most likely someone knows more than me brotha.

[@CrestOfDragonar]

@JustinBlazeDraxx 🫡noted, im going to adjust some things when I get home. Appreciate the explanation

[@midegola5623]

this is what iv been waiting for

[@ryechew]

I had to fix a segment in it. It will be back in an hour or so

[@misterq3409]

Me too

[@shelbyjackson1128]

Man's doing the lord's work. So glad you're explaining all the interworkings sir

[@jawsjawsjaws16]

I never sub channels. Clean explanation, math proof, sample of the testing at the end. You sir got a new sub!

[@EllyYoutube]

This is a great video, thanks for sharing!

[@ReyRey277]

tbh I dont want them to make defense too OP.. I want that reliance on the tank shields for more cooporative play

[@hashim4512]

Droppin a comment to help the video with the algo , truly , thanks for laying down the foundation for us ~~

[@ryechew]

Thanks. Although these math vids are doing it for the algorithm lol

[@josemartinez8819]

Haven't read the comments but off the tip of my head, there is a module for crit resist. Haven't noticed any crazy crit though. As for the formula, the damage can change based on weapon damage(crush, etc). Also probably a flat rate based on enemy type(normal, commander, etc).

[@shabazzbrumley6151]

my first game i've played consistently like this and i appreciate the amount of effort you put into this video keep up the great work

[@AetherFD]

Bro actually went crazy on this! The time and effort deserve the views. Support this guy!

[@Gurtington]

I love that youre a valby main as well. :) Her little wave to me when i log in, and her being so tanky naturally just feel so good.

[@panchozo7365]

Im glad i found my content creator for TFD

[@dooleyragan204]

I’m literally only commenting because this is easily the best channel I have found for actually finding real stats and info about how to min max this game and I just want to show engagement so the algorithm recommends this channel more often to people. Thank you for all the work and info sir.

[@seangallagher4519]

As a user testing metric: When engineers/developers/designers are the only ones who understand what they've made, that's bad product design. Thanks for going into this tho. Nexon should cut you a check!

[@karistonluphus91]

THANK YOU SO MUCH!

[@ZefraSol]

Damn im so glad i got this channel recommended to me. Its bringing me back to Khan Academy days for TFD

[@wasaqueify]

The jump cuts are driving me crazy. Here's the summary of the video: Defense reduces incoming damage according to a formula that the speaker couldn't quite figure out. But he did find out that defense has diminishing returns. The more defense you have, the less effective each additional point of defense becomes. The speaker recommends having around 40,000 to 50,000 defense for the most bang for your buck. Elemental resistances are separate from defense and they are subtractive. They reduce the amount of elemental damage you take. The speaker recommends having around 5 to 7,000 elemental resistances. Similar to defense, elemental resistances also have diminishing returns.

[@Rogue20XX]

505k dps because of this channel, thank you

[@GameKaps]

I did some of my own testing and will continue to and so far they align pretty closely with what you displayed here. Good to see collaborative conclusions so I’m more comfortable in my setup being efficient.

[@z00ko]

LOVE this man. This is what I found too in my calculations in me soloing and moving things around to test shields, hp, and defense. This is spot on in after messing with every combination possible making bunny solo any end game content without any worries for damage being done to her

[@xTeh]

Quick Summarization for the ADHD like myself Diminishing Returns start kicking in around: - 40-50k DEF - 5-7k Ele Res Ele Res is less important than DEF, especially at higher levels/more difficult bosses Polygenic Antibody is especially useless

[@ryechew]

yes correct. I would imagine the returns are better the harder the bosses are but i think grinding for a 50k setup after mods equipped id enough

[@jeremy5159]

bro you are a god send. The amount of work and math you do so we can understand how the game works is insane. Thank you

[@freezax4]

Yet it is wrong lol 😂

[@ChaoticD3sTroYeR]

Jesus I love your channel, thx a lot for clearing up the math making sure we know things properly. What works, how it works and to what effectiveness. Much love.

[@kilua87659]

Kudos mate youre the only reliable one ive found to have tested these stats mathematically. Great videos appreaciate it!

[@houndsraddforb4284]

Damn so essentially elemental resistance isn't as good as health stacked with defense?

[@ryechew]

Absolutely. Should have said that thanks

[@DigitalWolverine]

Similar to warframe in that regard.

[@VengeDracul]

I have been looking for components with HP and Defense. Compare to when I first started playing the game. When I first started, I was looking for Defense. Not any more.

[@DiamondPugs]

Thank you for confirming that elemental resistance is pretty much useless at higher difficulties. With exactly pyromancer I noticed they were a waste of a slot.

[@finalsin7825]

this is great , thank you . i noticed when i was at 96k def and when i hit 100k i saw a difference. now after watching this vid ill go back down to 60k and stack hp.

[@Roachers]

So glad I saw this. I have been trying to figure out what my tank build will need and this answers it all.

[@chef_zhab1654]

Thanks à lot for the explanation . Nothing is boring dont worry when you theorycraft we need those précise calculations so thanks a lot . I make vidéos in french I will probably try to explain your video as clear as I can in french and of course ill mention your chanel . Thats a lot of work so thank you again for all these détails. It helps à lot of people.

[@Kahnthelongshot]

Super dope. I can tweak my build off these vids. Feels good to know i was close to what's really matters numbers wise.

[@FalHNTR5980]

I've been thinking bout this today when i was setting up my mods and did trial and error on enemy bosses, and i found your video, this helps a lot! thanks!

[@iigotskillzz4836]

really need a "you take x% less damage" like warframe has with it's armour stat

[@xSpeakerYT]

But that's not how it works because the damage your defense reduces depends on the enemies attacks.

[@maxfieldstewart7363]

@@xSpeakerYT They could however just show you different percent reductions at different attack value tiers, just a sample set would be fine. Eventually players will figure out the attack values of various mobs. That said, someone will eventually builda TFD wiki with this stuff /if/ the game stays popular enough.

[@Abbe10able]

Finally someone solving this defense problem, thanks 🙏

[@ondrejvasak1054]

Could you make a video on skill power damage? Difference between "skill power" and "skill power modifier" increases, whether regular skill power, toxic skill power and tech skill power stack multiplicatively or additively, etc. I have hard time finding good resources.

[@Hastur_TKY]

I always felt like if really needed all you need is a mod that removes the debuff/dot of the element + external component the rest, goes to 10-12k HP and the rest to def shield and MP (if the descendant has a huge benefit from MP)

[@Fexer95]

Coming from POE and doing math for the most dumb things, using like 5 external programs and the bests build videos being 40 min long math class with 30 seg gameplay showcase this video is a caress to my soul

[@Alicization30]

I love these sorts of content way more than clickbait outrage titles like from Force Gaming or Aztecross. Thanks and subscribed.

[@dloc5994]

Ur videos are like a college course try to watch 1 a day but I still suck at math😂😂

[@user-fn1fy3nj7y]

Thank God, I found this video. I wasted my resource for polygenic antibody and Increase DEF. Both are maxed out. 💀💀💀

[@josefranciscouzcateguiflor5181]

this was exactly what I was looking for yesterday to optimize my Ajax build. Thank you very much!!

[@flaschHD]

6:43 I realized that as well. they also build their base on the wrong mountain side, for using solar panels. (also facing the wrong angle) xD btw. the math section was very nice (probably not for everyone)

[@curtishonts7802]

Even if some of the things might be off for one reason or another (Not that I'm suggesting it is) you deserve an upvote simply for the testing you put in, and data

[@TheRealTSSF]

Finally some good fucking content. A gem of a channel hidden in the rough. There’s about 1000 different videos titled “how to get bunny early”. this video is so refreshing. 😂

[@strawl9528]

Love your videos. as someone whos sucks at math you make it easy to understand and thank you so much for your videos!!!

[@skindiesel00]

Bro pulled out the chalkboard to explain, thank you for simplifying this for those of us with monkey brains

[@sirtibbles2536]

Sensory Dep (HP/MP) is another flat 10.5% reduced damage taken when fully levelled. It comes up as a negative in stats but it is helping you.

[@dustinliam7878]

Yep, it was head-scratching that it would show as red, and not green.

[@seangallagher4519]

This game needs a major UI overhaul. Visually there are so many confusing things / stolen icons / stolen formats that, when crammed together, look visually appealing but lack informational relevance.

[@zackspangler99]

@@seangallagher4519 yeah some of the mods are confusing af like action reaction or whaterver its called, it give you plus firearm atk minus recoil, in my mind when i see minus recoil that is lowering the amount of recoil but its the opposite, which makes sense or that would be an even more insane mod if that were the case

[@Antonin1738]

this is why we need to math this game out. everyone is saying to just max blue for raw % and purples are not as good due to negative/addittional stuff for lower %

[@jakebourassa]

@@zackspangler99 Action and reaction says plus recoil

[@92mkd]

I love numbers. Number go up , good. Def should be simple (if u have 1k hp, 0def, u take 100damage u take 100 damage, thàt makes sense. If u have 1khp and 2k def when u get hit for 100damage it should get mitigated by half dealing only 50damage. But if you have 500hp and 2k defence it should scale down as it should work off your up value first. I think defence should be reworked as a DR % on top your your up before or after resistances.)

[@ABOOD-gg1ei]

It’s easier to understand all of these when you have played warframe and understand the formulas of that game , for example energy tanking builds where you take every single damage decreasing method in the game and so far it’s the best tanking method in the game , this knowledge made me think of modules that out right said that it decreases the damage rather than increases the defense as good modules to have on

[@YWP4UL0]

Best Tfd content creator, keep it going the math videos, helping me a lot and pretty sure others too

[@DaMasta_Sho_Nuff]

You’ve explained some key things I needed help with on your videos. Thank you

[@Urthril]

I was scouring the internet for this info. You got a subscriber for being the first to post about it. My man.

[@ArtesPRoSoul]

Huge thanks for that DEF test. I was wondering how much DEF I should stack and now I know that around 35-40k will be enough for me.

[@northloo]

As a software engineer looking at lots of youtube for learning. This level of quality is insane for a videogame. I am astonished lmao

[@fruitrollups2485]

So what you’re saying is I should build 100k defense with Kyle. Thanks man imma get started right now

[@jonathanberry8656]

I mean Kyle passive literally revolves around his max shields. Should prolly get to around 50-60k and focus on hp/shields.

[@MadtvAKAgingermonkey]

You are the absolute best. I appreciate you. I literally never comment on videos

[@NotoriousNickNorris]

Finding the right balance for DEF/HP/Shields I think is the info we all have want.

[@L0RDP1NGU]

See ive been needing stuff like this to understand stats more thank you 🔥

[@Roodementary]

Thank god, defense finally explained, appreciate the video.

[@heartboyxo2496]

It's EXTREMELY rare for me to "Like and Subscribe". Thank you for giving me a reason to do both today.

[@KaizikuM]

When I saw your dps weapon video, I knew you'd want to do defense, and I've been wondering about this. Great video!

[@YT_Toxic-Mothman]

This was something i really wanted to look into cause i just wanted more of an understanding about it because while im not a "nerdy math person" things didn't feel like they added up at all

[@Moxsy]

Good work 🫡

[@ANTIxSHAM]

Love the video man! I’m no math wiz like you but I’ve been saying elemental resistances aren’t worth much in this game. Glad you did the work and cleared it up.

[@NLMBxG3]

God thank you so much. I just couldn't understand how I could have 15k defense and 5000 fire resistance still getting chewed tf up by pyromaniac

[@NanzoGonzo]

I was always wondering this, Thank you

[@azureblack404]

If you were my math teacher when i was younger I would have actually paid attention

[@susanoo6962]

as soon i saw the board i knew it’s gonna be a good video

[@SmediumL]

Finally!!!! someone who's doing proper theorycrafting with calcs. W channel!

[@manofsheerawsomness]

Subbed right away after seeing the math and logic behind all this. As for what I'd love to see, well there are far more modules than weapons I'd love to see a weapons list and module overviews or builds, its what I struggle with the most (currently at executioner and final bunny quest).

[@GruffDingo]

Blair is sort of on everybody's bad tier list, but I'd love to see you do a build for him. I personally think he is really fun but sub par for the most part and if you could get the most out of him that would be awesome

[@chriscaraballo6876]

Bro I’ve been asking if there was cap in crit rate def and all other thing no one has answers now we do thanks bro

[@Mordtziel]

Hi, little nitpick here. I just tested the difference of resistance against enemies. In particular, I chose a high damage attack, unlike the low damage attack you're dealing with in this video, I chose a bomber (hard mode Kingston recon). At 652.8 resistance, I took 1,723 damage. At 5,266.8 resistance, I took 1,506 damage. A 13% reduction. It seems to me to be similar to defense (but log4 instead of log2), we just don't typically stack it nearly as much (I'm estimating resistance cap around 63k). Feel free to look into it more deeply (4 components+antibodies+maximize+yellow resist%), but it's definitely not as low an amount as you're suggesting here. Still not that valuable (due to investment requirement), but it's not a value of 5 either.

[@ryechew]

So the DR formula for defense i have been told is. 150/(sprtDEF+150) this sounds like not 10% for double defense but remember half your damage comes from element dmg so 10% average left.

[@anarchyinc124]

I love these sorts of videos, they remind me just how mathematically challenged i am. 😅😂

[@brandenclark8797]

Bro no lie I was watching your vid last night and when I saw you get up go to the actual drawing board I had to subscribe I appreciate all the time you put in for this game it’s a bit over whelming so thank you for clarifying a lot of things for the community ❤

[@J.Knezzy]

Pretty sure, based on your graph, the values scale logarithmically. Specifically, some variation of the graph of ln x for values of x greater than 1. The derivative of ln x also has the same format as the equations you found. Might be something there.

[@Maadscientist01]

tldr is aim for 40-50k defense and 5-7k elemental resistance if you need it. Watch the vid, its good. He explains thing well.

[@YurJaeHuyk]

instant sub , this dedication is what games needed

[@itz-slav4031]

This is what I got to with defence, it seemed the most logical. Not sure about HP, or whether or not shields are good or wasted. I’m sitting at 50k defence, 7k HP with a small amount into shields. It’s doing pretty well in hard mode and only levelled my chars once and it’s only a base character so lots of upgrades are possible.

[@lophius7614]

wow im so glad i focused defense early at any cost like dropping damage/resistances for it. nexon needs a slap upside the head for this clarity for their stats

[@Rexy2552]

As an ajax main I appreciate knowing my 93k defense is doing something thak you sir

[@bowley4]

Got Blair recently and man he is not great. Hahaha working on Kyle and ultimate Ajax now and only been able to farm stabilizer for Kyle so far. The grind is real!

[@XuanJi-kn3ri]

As soon as he brought out the marker and board I subscribed and liked 😂

[@urwrldluv]

The only TFD channel that acually helps. Thanks for the hard work boss 💯

[@_MrTrue]

Wow, this is really amazing content. I appreciate the effort and time you invested into mathing this out. Easy sub!

[@johanrojassoderman5590]

I wish they'd show the DR values in-game. It's so immeasurably dumb to have a generic numeral DEF and not tell the player what the actual value or scaling is. Thank you a lot for the video 👍🏻

[@ronniestyles1347]

You're one of the few dudes in the gaming community that does their homework and breaks it down with for the rest of us to copy off your test. Thanks dude!

[@Cxdfc]

Based on the tool tip I thought it was a pure Enemy ATK - your DEF = damage you take. But never tested it Thanks for the effort

[@onai.7082]

really enjoy these videos as a warframe player because i have 2-3k hours in warframe and im always running numbers or calculations when making new builds

[@hamsterjohn]

Doing God's work 👍

[@prismriot4910]

“how much defense is too much” Ajax: Am I a joke to you?

[@FunElite]

Thx for your sacrifice. You should have added incoming dmg reduction stat in there as well.