Oracle Jet Vs Touch Impress. Battle of The Touch Screens

[@Hazehill]

I just got the Touch Impress and have found it suits my needs perfectly. I changed from the Bambino Plus because sometimes I just want to tap some icons and let it do its thing and it does it very well. It was the first time I've actually tried neat espresso and thought it tasted....I guess balanced would be the right word. Im not an espresso drinker so I don't really get all the flavour notes etc but it wasn't sour and it wasn't bitter. The only thing it's done wrong was the other day when it pulled something like a 45 quad shot without pre-infusion randomly and then had the audacity to tell me that it was brewing slowly. The next shot was barely half a single and it told me it was perfect. After a factory reset and a cleaning cycle it seems to have gone back to normal with pre-infusion and then the timer starting and hitting 25 - 30 seconds on average.

[@fuzziestlumpkin]

To preheat my Jet, I've taken to putting the backflush disc between the portafilter and basket to do a kind of hybrid blank shot/backflush that gets the portafilter and basket as well as the brew path nice and hot. Just have to be careful not to singe the fingies when removing it lol. Planning to experiment with poking holes into one at some point to simulate the resistance of a puck.

[@JesseProwisor]

I have a consistent inconsistency (!!!) between my first shot (44g), and the rest (50g). I think I need the pressure build up to get the OPV to work correctly... I'm gonna try your idea - that might just do it! Of course, 40g IS what I am aiming for, so have to play with the settings some more... ;-)

[@fuzziestlumpkin]

@JesseProwisor I've noticed the same thing, and I can confirm that preheating the way I do gets about 50g out as opposed to about 44g with a couple of blank shots. The thermojet does indeed rely on pressure for temp control, so I think you could pull 100 blanks and it still wouldn't be at temp... Gotta admit though, I've not tried heating the portafilter with the hot water spout. That might actually work on this machine (it didn't on the Touch Impress).

[@JesseProwisor]

Another great video! Speaking of FOMO, is there another machine in the same range that produces a better shot of espresso? Assuming I didn’t need the integrated grinder

[@soumynonareverse7807]

Could you do a tierlist an every price category? I'm searching for a great machine that does cost a bit but isn't overpriced like the Decent is. I would argue an EU Bianca would match that description. I wonder if you feel the same way.

[@a_decent_user]

Hey Kev, love your vids, could you please make one (or at least a blogpost) about best machines that have volumetric shots for different budgets? I really want some decent (no, not that one) machine that would just dispense Xml of water on a button press and would do it properly. Something like Dedica or Bambino, but maybe better? It seems like as the price goes up you only have 2 choices: full manual machines with manual on/off switch like Gaggia Classic or more automated machines with grinders built in like shown in. this video, but is there a middle ground tho? A good machine that does not have a grinder and does great shots but still doesn't require you standing there looking at scales or timer? I've found Dedica being fairly consistent when it comes to water output, so it certainly can be done.

[@johnward6516]

lol son of a gun, I thought I had made my choice between the Jet or Touch Impress. Now I've gone back to thinking if not the Jet, maybe the Oracle as it has more potential due to the settings you can alter. Too many great machines :( . It's almost like if you don't want the colder drinks, then the Jet can do the same if not better than the Touch. 😄😄 Good on you for saying which one you preferred.

[@johnward6516]

Was on the fence but with this video I went out and brought the Jet, right now it is making terrible coffee for my taste, altering the grinder but it still seems all over the place for the time it takes to create a shot 22-30 seconds on the same grinder setting. To add to this the milk doesn't seem to be as frothy as expected either on auto. Suspecting user error so we will see what happens over the next few days, either way great video, I did notice you didn't talk about the cold drinks

[@henriquepedra]

Great Video! I really appreciate your reviews. Please consider in your list of reviews the new Kitchenaid KF8 comparing it with other top tier Fully automatic espresso machines! I'm sure this video would be so very helpful for many people wondering if it is worth buying it or not. Thanks again!

[@Coffee_Kev]

Already done :-) kzbin.info/www/bejne/sGKTf3aqq5x4iLMsi=ZV422SKGL-cfOQUJ

[@elizabethtannahill8695]

Hi, I am so pleased I bought the oracle jet - I have been researching since Oct and bought mine in Dec just gone - I also by my coffee on subscription from you ❤ the jet is telling me grind of 45 for espresso does this seem correct to you - what grind size did you use for your testing? Fabulous video as always - tatty bye 😂😂

[@johng9562]

Hey Kev, great video ~ question: Do you know the max water volume for an americano?

[@smithbd718]

Is there a way to update the firmware on the Touch Impress?

[@Coffee_Kev]

At the moment only physically (there's an internal port), meaning it would need to be collected to be done. Ta, Kev.

[@embecmom5863]

Got a catering van any reviews on setups that are decent for multiple coffees? I assume dual boiler setups ... btw love the chocolate brownie coffee..

[@Coffee_Kev]

Thanks for the kind words re chocolate brownie, me too! 😎 I'd highly recommend a commercial machine for a catering van, domestic machines are my bag, I'm not the right person to listen to about commercial machines, but keep in mind that some machines are made to be sat on counters that never move, go over speed bumps and so on ;-), so I'd put some research into that. It'll also depend on how you plan to power the machine, whether you'll mainly be going to events that have hookups, etc. I nearly bought a coffee van, many years ago, and at that time it was mainly Fracino and Wega that were being spoken about when I was doing my research by pestering other coffee van/truck businesses to ask them what they'd recommend. This is what I'd do, reach out to as many people as possible who're already running a similar business (you'll find a lot on insta, just follow them and DM them). I reckon you'll find quite a few will be helpful, and they'll know what they're talking about from first hand experience. Ta Kev

[@emmaoneill579]

Does the oracle jet do cold milk froth some are saying yes some are saying no but not sure if those that are saying yes are saying yes to cold brew drinks in general? It’s a small thing but I am a fan of iced coffee! When I can afford it this would be my next step!

[@Coffee_Kev]

No the jet doesn't do cold foam, I did wonder if it might be able to in the future via a firmware update to just run the air pump, but from what I can gather it probably wouldn't quite do the job.

[@alfredthabiso]

Awesome video! Could you compare the Breville barista express with the SMEG EGF03 they seem similar in price and features

[@Coffee_Kev]

Thanks :-). Yeah I do need to get hold of the SMEG. Cheers, Kev.

[@DjNikander]

Thanks for doing this video first now… just bought the impress… 😅

[@Coffee_Kev]

Haha, I'm sure you'll love it 😎

[@Ramesh-fg9xv]

Hi Kev, I note reviews from Sage that touch impress produces less optimal temperature, is Jet better at maintaining good temperature ? Thanks

[@Coffee_Kev]

Hi, depends what you mean, I think a lot of that was hot water temp for Americano and Tea, which I think was an issue that was an issue effecting some of the first machines released. Ta, Kev.

[@Ramesh-fg9xv]

Thanks. Kev Yes I meant for hot water and also milk temperature. Hope Sage resolved it as I am keen to get Touch impress or else oracle Jet which I believe doesn’t have this problem.

[@GauravRajasekar]

Morning, Kev. I'm surprised that they haven't taken your feedback and improved auto steaming whatsoever with alternate milks. However, has a firmware update happened that has improved the auto steaming on full fat cow's milk? Or was that always good? Any change with auto steaming at all with dairy but lower fat like 2% from your earlier tests?

[@Coffee_Kev]

Hi :-). To be fair, they are taking on the feedback, not just mine, but the feedback that a few of us geeks have been giving them, and I think it's only a matter of time before they suss it. Mine had the first firmware version when I got it, and whole fat dairy (3.6% fat) has always been amazing on auto, that hasn't changed. I've got the latest firmware update now and it doesn't seem to be any different so far in terms of auto frothing, but I would bet quite a large sum of money (like, £1.50) that they're already very well on their way to sorting this, and that it'll be fixed in a firmware update relatively soon. Ta Kev

[@patrickelhage4747]

I've been complaining to Breville Australia re the poor auto throthing compared to my old Oracle Touch, not getting anywhere Requested to speak to a product manager but that my request was denied. Hoping they sort it out as this is the only downfall on the Jet

[@kissinuk]

Oat milk is great on auto with our touch impress, really good for latte art. Skimmed or semi-skimmed moo juice however isn't so good!

[@Coffee_Kev]

It was great on this one too, to be fair. I need to get to the bottom of why it wasn't as good as it usually is, with the exact same brand of oat milk I always use. Ta, Kev.

[@rds957]

Morning Kev 🎉

[@davidetheridge5123]

Hey Kev, are there any decent machines under £300?

[@rossyhead69]

Bambino+ imo - I spent Christmas at my wife’s brothers house who has an Oracle Touch, lovely machine but doesn’t pour any better cups than my bambino+. It’s more automated and the frother was better but the coffee is as good from the bambino+ and it’s well under £300 I think!

[@dantae666]

no delonghi dedica maestro is on offer 275 and actually has temperature control. that's the only one

[@Coffee_Kev]

integrated grinder machines, you mean? Ta, Kev.

[@davidetheridge5123]

@Coffee_Kev not worried about the grinder!

[@tonyrussell7275]

Not related to this video as such but kev do you think you could consider using a different delivery service for your coffee. You've lost a customer because royal mail aren't capable of doing a simple delivery and tell lies to cover up. I can't order from you unless you can use someone else

[@Coffee_Kev]

Sorry to hear that Tony. There's no 100% perfect courier. Actually, we've tried most, Royal Mail have given us less headaches than any other service, most of the time. Having said that, there are two options, Royal Mail & DHL, so you don't have to choose RM. Ta, Kev.

[@Coffee_Kev]

Hi Tony, we also offer DHL as an alternative option to RM. Cheers Kev

[@Tass...]

I remember Kev telling me Breville weren't having a marketing campaign in an American KZbinrs comment section when I pointed out that they were going hard against Ninja right now. And now take a looksie at this. Kev with the same marketing going on it's so funny to me. "oh no I would know if Sage were on a marketing campaign and they are not" Oh really Kev. You would wouldn't you. It looks like you got the memo a little late and it might have put your nose out of joint but I'm pleased you have eventually been allowed to join the current market campaign I originally pointed out was going on but you denied existed. You flacid wombat potato.

[@Coffee_Kev]

eh? You're referring to when you stated that "Breville will send machines to anyone who will review them", and I replied to explain that, as far as I'm aware they only tend do this when they have a budget to do it, which is usually only when they're launching new machines? And because I'm now comparing a new machine they sent me when it launched, to another one they sent me when it launched, you're declaring that I contradicted myself? Any time I want to review a machine they're not launching, I have to buy it, it's generally only new machines that have a budget to send machines out to be reviewed. Unless this is just a Sage UK thing, I have no experience with Breville USA. And, yeah, I'm pretty sure Breville have marketing going on ;-). Cheers Kev

[@Tass...]

@@Coffee_Kev Still a flacid potato.

[@Coffee_Kev]

Thanks for the kind words

[@Coffee_Kev]

@tass And by the way, I wasn't saying Breville don't have a marketing campaign, of course they do. When they launch new machines, they have - I'd imagine - a pretty huge marketing budget, and I think it makes sense that they're starting to focus more of this towards KZbinrs. What I was reacting to was the thought that they'll just send any machine to anyone who will make a video, from my experience it doesn't work like that, they'll usually have a budget to send machines they're releasing, and in the UK at least (I'm not sure if it's different in the US) they appear to be quite careful with where that budget goes, in other words, who they send the machines to. I honestly don't think they'll send machines to anyone who promises to do a video on it. Cheers, Kev.

[@petershaw3062]

@@Tass... thats a great complement coming from a pumped up turnip

[@stephenhamill8907]

Any chance you do other machines other than the Breville show, take it they sponsored you, I would like to see some stand alone without built in grinders I remember you saying that to get a decent grind you need a separate grinder so what about some machines to go with alone with them, other than Breville, I do enjoy your stuff just getting bored with the breville stuff.

[@Coffee_Kev]

I've reviewed all of the Sage machines, including the stand alone machines, if you search my channel you'll find them 😎. When I say "Sage", if you're not in Europe you'll know them as Breville, and if you're wondering why I've not covered the infuser, it's because I can't get hold of it this side of the pond. Cheers