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@THEMADWATCHCOLLECTOR2 жыл бұрын
Great stuff my friend! I’ll be doing a similar show with an Islander I just received! You went into great detail here well done!
@AvgJoeWatchReviews2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much buddy! Look forward to your rendition.
@TheRealBruceLeeАй бұрын
Thought you didn’t like clomages?
@felo60352 жыл бұрын
Hello Joe, excellent comparison, and awesome explanation about the huge differences between Divers 200m vs Water Resistance 200m. This is huge, and along with brand history, heritage, and resale value Seiko is the superior watch. That said, Marc's is an excellent homage which will handle the needs of most while saving considerable money. Now, if we consider homages, I think we can also take a look at Seestern and Heimdallr.... both offer great specs inc Seiko movements, sapphire crystals, screw down crowns and case backs, 120 click unidirectional rotating bezles with very good action, etc, etc..... Thank you again my friend for this terrific episode. All the best.
@AvgJoeWatchReviews2 жыл бұрын
Appreciate your feedback my friend. Which homage would you choose out of the bunch of you were shipping Monsters?
@NICKVST Жыл бұрын
I like the overall look of the original monster you just can’t replicate it
@davewilson6548 Жыл бұрын
I have Seiko Monster but have an Islander white monster and wear it all the time. I got it of of eBay for $150. It seem to be high quality and i don't worry about punishing it. Keeps great time and so far so good. For the piece, how can I complain. It will never be a collectors watch.
@TheTownWatch2 жыл бұрын
I didn’t know that stuff about the “diver’s” indication on the dial! Thanks for the education on the fly! I agree with your closing thoughts about both watches and how someone would probably choose the Islander if they aren’t really concerned about collectibility and such.
@AvgJoeWatchReviews2 жыл бұрын
Thanks buddy. Glad you learned something new. Appreciate the feedback and support.
@MrBacchus182 жыл бұрын
That’s why I hate when an aliexpress cheapie watch Willy nilly puts divers on the dial.
@brotendo2 жыл бұрын
Sapphire crystal and hacking makes Mark's watch so much better. I've owned it for about 8 months now.
@chasekemp49822 жыл бұрын
Also the black outline around the hour markers for visibility.
@CocoKoi3212 жыл бұрын
Meanwhile asking seiko for that constantly is what made them shoot their prices higher
@lx950202 жыл бұрын
Great review! I agree, if you are going to collect and resell then go with the Seiko. If you are like most of us that will never go diving and want a good quality watch with some upgrades and you don't plan to sell it, go with the LIW.
@AvgJoeWatchReviews2 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir! Please subscribe. 😉👍
@MrBacchus18 Жыл бұрын
It’s impressive how many Seiko watches carry the Divers 200 moniker. That’s a lot of pressure testing.
@christopherjohnson42762 жыл бұрын
Oooooh thanks for this close up look and comparison. Marc doing the typical really good job on the homage. Good stuff! See you next time Joe! 😃 ⌚
@Bigbeardfpv Жыл бұрын
It just depends... will you really be satisfied buying the alternative. I'd say for most people, you'll be happier, even if you have to save up longer, to just get the watch you want, and you'll never find yourself wanting to buy the real thing later....
@MirrlyonTime2 жыл бұрын
Found it interesting that you would trust the Islander at depth over the Seiko. Given the age as long as the caseback hasn’t been removed on the Seiko I would def trust it more than I would a potentially untested Islander.
@AvgJoeWatchReviews2 жыл бұрын
The Seiko is close to two decades old and we cannot assume service of the watch. Gaskets and seals on the best of divers are all made of materials that are compromised with age. The Islander is brand new with new seals and gaskets so yes, all day, every day that Islander is going in the water and the Seiko is sitting on the sidelines.
@Dave062YT2 жыл бұрын
Islander all day long .The actual dial colour is even better .and of course it has a better Seiko movement than the Seiko
@AvgJoeWatchReviews2 жыл бұрын
That’s a good point. Ironically the Islander uses a better Seiko movement than Seiko but that’s because Marc had an opportunity to take a look at the shortcomings and improve on them years later.
@a712819 күн бұрын
is the islander dial just printed?
@AeternumAngel2 жыл бұрын
The Seiko is a real tool watch, the other it's just a cosplay of one.
@mattys14672 жыл бұрын
Great comparison, enjoyed the ISO certification explanation and the macros were excellent 👍
@dalerichardson88422 жыл бұрын
Be interested to know how much of the extra weight on the islander was down to bracelet and the better clasp on it Joe? Both lovely watches.
@woonfaseng87372 жыл бұрын
i think while islander monster is based on GEN 1 seiko , the inside and movement is based on GENERATION 2. plus mark typically will add sapphire. so this should be better compared to GEN 2 Monster in specs wise , just not in dial
@claudej.l.53602 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the Great video Joe. I'd take the Islander. Much better specs. Just the bracelet alone makes it worth it.
@AvgJoeWatchReviews2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching buddy. Would you go with the Orange?
@somewhereintimewatchreviews2 жыл бұрын
Very cool video some very interesting & useful info about the water resistance testing 👍
@DavidSchwartzjr2 жыл бұрын
I'm a few minutes in, but I'm gonna already say that the Islander is so much nicer! Sapphire, more crisp indices and legibility. But I'll stick around to the end and make a final judgement ha! 😎🍻👍
@AvgJoeWatchReviews2 жыл бұрын
So what are your final thoughts? Which would you take diving and feel confident that water wouldn’t intrude the case and why?
@DavidSchwartzjr2 жыл бұрын
@@AvgJoeWatchReviews Hey man, I ended up getting sidetracked with some grocery shopping ha. So for me personally, I don't dive or go into super deep waters so even if the islander only had 100M WR, that suits me fine for my needs. The benefits far outweigh the possible lack of 200M WR pressure rating. But that's just imo! 👍
@AvgJoeWatchReviews2 жыл бұрын
@@DavidSchwartzjr that’s awesome feedback. Desk diving doesn’t need a divers depth rating indeed. 😉👍Thanks for watching.
@DavidSchwartzjr2 жыл бұрын
@@AvgJoeWatchReviews You know me, I'm not a purist...all the time...but I do want at least 100M WR almost every time ha!
@1968jpy2 жыл бұрын
Excellent review and comparison on these two watches. I recently purchased the 2021 penguin feet Monster and the new 2022 Save the Ocean Antarctica Monster. I am extremely impressed with both of my new Seiko Monsters. I am tempted to purchase one of Marks Islander Monsters.
@AvgJoeWatchReviews2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Joseph. Let me which one you went with.
@kenspear50772 жыл бұрын
Great comparison video AJ.👊
@AvgJoeWatchReviews2 жыл бұрын
Thanks bud.
@RJ-cq8dd2 жыл бұрын
Pressure tested isn't really a big deal imo. It only means something the first year. After a year you have to pressure test it again. Glad i'm not a purist...got the Heimdallr frost monster and am very happy with it, beats the Seiko on specs.
@AvgJoeWatchReviews2 жыл бұрын
I agree with on the pressure test as the seals and gaskets start to get compromised after a year or so. I have a few dedicated watches I swim with for that reason.
@TimeToGoTravelAndTimepieces2 жыл бұрын
Nice side by side Joe. Thanks.
@AvgJoeWatchReviews2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Bob.
@halfpastblog2 жыл бұрын
If I ever got the chance to get one of these discontinued Seiko monsters for a good price I'd snap it up.
@whiteglovewatches99082 жыл бұрын
I have the islander monster and I have to say it’s nice but the bezel action was so bad I had to send the first one back. The second is marginally better but still skips clicks and feels almost broken, won’t stay in place. The Heimdallr homage I have is way better. Sorry Mark, I’m a fan but that one was a big no bueno for me.
@AvgJoeWatchReviews2 жыл бұрын
Wasn’t a huge fan of his bezel considering it felt like the vintage Monster’s. Thanks for watching! What did you think of the macros? Would you like to see them again?
@whiteglovewatches99082 жыл бұрын
@@AvgJoeWatchReviews yes please, always a fan of the macro shots.
@davidcrandall49582 жыл бұрын
I have a Timex ocean reef 200 meters screw down crown I bought at a flea market for eight dollars that is similar to these!
@AvgJoeWatchReviews2 жыл бұрын
That’s an amazing deal! Great find.
@EVil-ob8in2 жыл бұрын
Islander, Seestern, Haemdallr, take your pick. Other than the branding they are the same thing.
@JohanDee2 ай бұрын
I own a Seestern Doxhom and 2 Heimdallr tuna hommages. Had the Seiko baby tuna and I can say all watches, they are very well made, a copy or not. The tuna's: one is bronze, one is titanium.
@EVil-ob8in2 ай бұрын
@@JohanDeeyeh, I have a gen.2 Seiko orange monster and the Seestern version of the same watch. The dial on the Seiko is brighter and seems to pop more than the Seestern. On its own the Seestern is not bad at all. Maybe someone can answer what movement is in the Seestern as it’s not the 4R36. I merely have to pick the Seiko up and it starts ticking. The Seestern needs a wind or a good shake.
@jodysilvia22 жыл бұрын
Marc is killing it in the watch community.
@AvgJoeWatchReviews2 жыл бұрын
One of the few good guys in the community.
@metallicarchaea18202 жыл бұрын
The Heimdallr Orange Monster is the best one. Simple.
@TheBimmer746 ай бұрын
Had one and returned it. The bezel is as sharp as a razor. It actually lost blood!
@cussy662 ай бұрын
Got one also and yes bezel edges are sharp, but i just buffed them down. And now silky smooth. Hiamdallr is the better watch. Its a watch even when your not wearing it you pick it up just to look at it. 😊
@butnugit2 жыл бұрын
IIRC, in a video from a few years ago, when he was first launching the Islander line, Marc did state that each of his cases are individually tested to 200m. Now, if it was just for that model he was doing the video on or if it's for all his dive style watches, I don't know. Might be a great question for you to ask him.
@AvgJoeWatchReviews2 жыл бұрын
I certainly will! Thank you buddy. Wouldn’t even have thought to since he doesn’t have the Diver’s label on his dial.
@butnugit2 жыл бұрын
@@AvgJoeWatchReviews the ISO certification is much more than just the pressure test, and I believe that was the point Marc was trying to make. To keep the costs down, he wasn't going to pay for the expensive ISO certification, but he did at least test the cases individually to 200m. If that's true, I'm curious to know if he still does it, owning two Islanders myself, and I'm sure more will find their way into my watch box.
@nikita.yazhechkin2 жыл бұрын
Are the edges on islander also sharp? Like they are on heimdaller and seestern? Its not comfortable to rotate the besel because the finishing not good.
@AvgJoeWatchReviews2 жыл бұрын
Great question. The only place that I found “sharp” was the crown guard on the islander. I found my finger catching it while winding or setting the time. Otherwise, the watch is just as refined as the Seiko and in other ways it’s more refined.
@nikita.yazhechkin2 жыл бұрын
@@AvgJoeWatchReviews hmmm, interesting. Because in heimdaller or seestern monster homages it's like you're rotating besel around blades.
@AvgJoeWatchReviews2 жыл бұрын
@@nikita.yazhechkin definitely not with the Islander.
@MrBacchus182 жыл бұрын
Islanders wins this but Seiko gen 2 monster is where it’s at
@AvgJoeWatchReviews2 жыл бұрын
No argument here. What color would you choose?
@MrBacchus182 жыл бұрын
@@AvgJoeWatchReviews The gen 2 orange monster was my first automatic watch back in 2014. $200 on bracelet
@kirkthebeerslinger Жыл бұрын
@@MrBacchus18 Orange Gen 2 here also...IMHO, the best version of the Monster gens and colours...👍
@thewatchloungechris2 жыл бұрын
I thought about getting one of these
@kirkthebeerslinger Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this review. Surprised you didn't mention the diver's expansion on the Seiko...I do like the screw in links on the Islander...Win on the better mov't and crystal as well, on the Islander... definitely worth getting if you want a brand new Orange Monster without the collector price increase on the original...Gotta say at the end of the day the original is the one to have because if it wasn't for it-the homage wouldn't exist right? Cheers!
@canadianwatchmonkey39926 ай бұрын
Finally picked up a Seiko Monster and I gotta say it is probably the best $300 Canadian I have spent on a watch. 😊
@DerekMcCoyMusic2 жыл бұрын
I adore my Islanders. I have an orange 38mm (Skx013 type) and the blue field watch. My first two autos actually. Definitely won’t be my last. Excellent video. Digging the macro stuff.
@JohanDee2 ай бұрын
There are TONS of Monster hommages from Heimdallr, Steeldive, Pagani design, Tandorio, etc, etc. for really low prices with sapphire crystal, Seiko movement and pretty good case and bracelet. So, what are we talking about? BTW I own 2 old but modded Seiko Monsters, don't like those old non windable movements.
@murdergorilla40872 жыл бұрын
island watches pressure tests every watch according to the company making em.
@MirrlyonTime2 жыл бұрын
Great video, and great use of macro in the video m8 that was awesome!. Both islanders I have would get a low rate on bezel action. Both very slippy/skippy clicks almost indistinguishable unless you rotate quite slowly, no back play at all mine you but not tight enough of a bezel imo, esp if it’s going to be used for scuba diving. Great watches Marc makes imo, but I wonder how comparable the heimdallr version is to his, which is 100 plus cheaper. Very happy wirh Marc’s watches though
@AvgJoeWatchReviews2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching bud. Let me ask you, what would make you choose the vintage Seiko over the Islander if you were to dive? Just curious and wanted to get your thoughts.
@MirrlyonTime2 жыл бұрын
@@AvgJoeWatchReviews the fact that it is certified though I didn’t realize it was nearly 20 Years old, so yeah def the Islander than.
@AvgJoeWatchReviews2 жыл бұрын
@@MirrlyonTime absolutely! If the Seiko was new or even newer with a few years, I’d choose the Seiko all day my friend.
@whiteglovewatches99082 жыл бұрын
I have to say I own both and the Heimdallr wins hands down and is as you said much less expensive. The only issue I have with the Heimdallr is some bits are sharp sharp while turning the bezel and can pinch if you’re not careful but I find the same issue on the Islander just not quite as much. The bezel action is much mo betta on the Heimdallr, very crisp and positive vs. skippy and loose on the Islander.
@MirrlyonTime2 жыл бұрын
@@whiteglovewatches9908 interesting wgw thanks for that, saves me some money getting the heimdallr for comparison haha
@clontstable1 Жыл бұрын
Except for the branding, the Islander is an Orange Monster with hacking & hand winding.
@ACoustaDC11 ай бұрын
Why seiko stopped making the monster is the worlds biggest mystery.
@curious55572 жыл бұрын
Just curious why all watch KZbinrs give Mark a pass for simply copying other famous watch brands? Any thoughts on this question?
@violinmke2 жыл бұрын
He does them better than the originals with personal touches and great lume. They are usually much cheaper than the Seikos etc. He responds to the market of what people told him they want and delivers. His after market service is stellar and ships from America . He admits first he headed after low hanging fruit. He has started some original designs. I made a field watch purchase from him which was hundreds of dollars cheaper than a Khaki King.
@markbauer827 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I don't get it either. People will scream all day about fake Rolex, but not about Mark's counterfeits. Maybe because they use the same movements as Seiko in many cases. But I still think if you want a Seiko you should buy a Seiko.
@petergplus66672 жыл бұрын
Btw the water resist test isn't really worth anything when you got to open it up to dial it's speed in ;) These crappy 7s movements are a lottery.
@juniorjohnson59612 жыл бұрын
I'd feal better wearing the Seiko even though marks watch has better spects.
@bernardbarroga1497 Жыл бұрын
Let’s get real here, who in their right mind, will use these watches for “real deep sea diving”??! These watches are good for snorkeling and in the most likely scenario, a desk divers.😅😂
@AvgJoeWatchReviews Жыл бұрын
100% ! Maybe 1% would use these for deep sea diving…maybe. 😂 👍
@gregalonzo7472 жыл бұрын
I don't dive. I do snorkel and sail. I would go with the Islander.
@AvgJoeWatchReviews2 жыл бұрын
Well, there you go. Desk diving doesn’t need a water resistance really. 😉👍
@matthewgates4130 Жыл бұрын
How many peeps watching this video have gone 600ft underwater? 🤣
@AvgJoeWatchReviews Жыл бұрын
Not me! 😂
@richardlocke7264 Жыл бұрын
more of a copy than a homage (inspired by)
@petergplus66672 жыл бұрын
6:15 you can even in daylight see that the Seiko has a stronger lume.
@ivanmejia6843 Жыл бұрын
SKX781 all the way. No sapphire and 7s26 calibre, sure. But, it's the OG and the classic. Not a fake...sorry homage. Having an original design is what tops it at the end of the day.
@Ktc99999-b10 ай бұрын
how can you compare a copycat to the original? Pointless.