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[@vinyleyezz]

I hope you're having an AWESOME DAY! 🌞 🎵

[@antocaricati5372]

You should come to rochester ny we have 2 huge awesome record stores, one is called Record Archive and the other one is called House Of Guitars

[@matthewliek7935]

The orbit has an adjustable speed setting(45-33⅓) all ready built on

[@B_dale]

Hey one day can you please do a song of the day from me I just got my first record player on monday for my 14th birthday also the song is ain't misbehavin by fatts waller thank you :)

[@MuzikJunky]

Hope you enjoy that Mantronix/Kurtis Mantronik double colored vinyl! Speaking of which, song of the day: “Cold Gettin’ Dumb II” by Just-Ice. Peace.

[@adamharding2934]

If my record player is skipping on the first tracks and the last tracks of each side of my vinyl but the middle plays fine how would I fix that?

[@JRL49805]

I feel like the Orbit is geared toward the every day listener and the Carbon is geared towards the audiophile group. The carbons suspended motor and carbon fiber tonearm are a big plus for me.

[@bbeato8012]

The Pro-ject uses a sub platter with its belt drive to reduce vibration, should have gotten the points for the belt drive section.

[@emailatomic]

What vibration are you really eliminating? The Pro-ject tables have a ten Db poorer rumble score than even the cheapest old Technics Direct Drive with or without quartz lock. With quartz lock guarantee of perfect speed without a fad acrylic platter. And then why Acrylic which generates static over glass which is heavier still and costs the same in the turntable market, cleans far easier, doesn't scratch. Is more resistant to transfering vibration. Whatever they are pitching is just a pitch. they can tell you why they did it but if it doesn't result in reducing numbers its just words.

[@paramvachhani9569]

Good video but the debut carbon dc is an old model now it has been replaced by the debut carbon evo so thats the thing

[@kaidamon2701]

Song of the day: Children of bodom - everytime I die RIP Alexi 😔

[@jackedkerouac4414]

Should've been even. The Pro-Ject DC comes with a carbon tonearm

[@JohnnyBRad]

I went from a Sony I bought at Best Buy to a U-Turn and haven't looked back. I adore my Orbit. Absolutely love the sound I get from it

[@MOOeymania]

The biggest difference is that the Carbon has a much better tone arm.

[@ocularcavity8412]

I sure hope so, i have always favored vintage tables and the first time i used an Orbit i was SHOCKED it was one of the CHEAPEST feeling mechanism second the crosely mech even those crappy 90's turntables they threw in with all in one stereos had better built quality and precision, i would even recommend an ATLP60 over the ORBIT

[@emailatomic]

I hope you don't think that because its carbon fiber. I have a $1400 carbon fiber accoustic guitar. Why is it carbon fiber? The part for the neck is not the sexy woven carbon fiber. Its more of a CF plastic for rigidity . The sexy woven stuff like is on this tonearm provides excellent resonance. Do you a resonant product on a tonearm? What's wrong with stainless steel? When you buy the even higher end CF tonearm they put more steel back in. I find it hilarious. The tonearm while the most sophisticated element on a record player makes little difference in performance when adding exotic materials. And then nobody questions the cheap plastic cartridge shell's contribution to vibration on your most critical component. Or the stylus, which is smaller than the thickness of the D string on your guitar is the most susceptible item to noise from your music. But we don't talk about Bruno. If you want to eliminate all vibration buy some nice cables and take the turntable out of the room.

[@paulramos244]

Another great video from the great VinylEyezz, keep on making videos :D

[@vinyleyezz]

thank you so much for watching! More good stuff on the way! 😄👍

[@aarsonbet]

Jarrett, glad to see you back. I do appreciate what you’re trying to do for those who are getting into the vinyl community. That being said, I have to take a little bit of an exception to this video. While you do cover the basics, there are a few things that you leave out that are vital when choosing a turntable. These include the quality of the sub platter/bearing, wow and flutter, rumble (I.e. - how audible is the noise floor), and (quite importantly) an assessment of the SOUND QUALITY of each turntable. (A 20-30 second audio clip from each would be beneficial here. This may not change one’s assessment of either table (I’ve not heard the Orbit myself), but it would help to give the viewer/prospective buyer a more complete sense of the turntable’s “bang for the buck”.

[@idontlikereggaeiloveit3482]

Just got my orbit custom a few days ago. Best choice I made in a long time. Really brought new life to my collection

[@camero220]

love my light/maple wood orbit which carbon's don't come in, and u-turn's customer service is TOP NOTCH. literally the best i've ever interacted with. Any question were immediately responded to within a day.

[@Ben2D]

good to see you back jarrett

[@Planetgreenzen]

Awesome video brother and the camera quality looks good :)

[@mr_bigfrog4731]

I got a U-turn audio record player couple months ago and it is awesome! I got mine in purple for Prince!

[@joebloggs8636]

Prince?...oh my...

[@tantalo45]

Greetings Vinyl Eyezz, Thank you for the Channel. I don't know about the Pro-ject's but I think the Orbit's doesn't have an adjustable tracking force, is it save to play records on a turntable with no tracking force? Thanks.

[@vinylstynyl]

Hey, about the Lp60 vs Lp120. So you said that you prefer the Lp120 because it is all manual, while the lp60 is automatic. But owning a lp60 myself, I can say that if you want to drop the needle yourself you can! The only thing is automatic every time is the needle going back to the starting position. I do prefer the lp60 because you have the option of automatic or manual.

[@matthewcuen1254]

I got a u turn orbit 6 moths ago👌also you can slowly upgrade the u turn orbit as well! Amazing turntable

[@matthewliek7935]

Me to bud got mine in December and love it

[@johnlovesbridge]

I would definitely go with the pro ject. Get the better tone arm and cartridge.

[@mikerosevear3264]

the problem is if you wanna up grade the cartridge either have head shell comes off making it a pain but debut be the one i go with

[@vinyleyezz]

The debut is a fantastic turntable 👍

[@paulgonzales5086]

Awesome video I bought the orbit custom with the Walnut plinth the only negative is there is no option to upgrade the tonearm

[@martinmanning4566]

I dig my Orbit, they do have 45 adaptors for sale, I think they were $5, they also had 2 wood finishes i think as an option but that may have only been for their more expensive end tables. Appreciate the vid, keep up the good work

[@TheGamingEffect100]

Some records are actually still being produced for 78 RPM, just in regular vinyl not shellac. I recently picked up from a record store down the road in Charlotte NC, a Robert Johnson 78 record that was a special record store day release April 13th, 2019. Pretty interesting!

[@GoldAndGrey]

Happy to see you upload! Question: Can you skip tracks on a vinyl? Is there a way to know where tracks begin so you can choose where to start?

[@theoutubecelebrity]

If you look closely you can see blank spaces between the songs on the record, you can drop the stylus in those spaces to skip ahead (although some people would say that this could damage the stylus or record if not done correctly)

[@emailatomic]

The best think you could acquire would be a linear track turntable like a Technics SLQ6. Besides beating all these expensive fad belt drive turntables in almost every spec that matters. Linear track plays the records the way they were cut...perfectly tangent at all points in the record. It will play the tracks in any order you want and won't play the tracks of the songs you don't like. Unlike any standard tonearm a linear track turntable can expertly navigate even warped records. It hits each track with laser precision because it uses a laser to find the tracks. These tables quickly scan the entire record and find all the tracks and light up an LED for each track found. What is better? Pushing some buttons and sitting down in your chair to hear all your music the way you want to play it without getting up. Or trying to drop your needle accurately yourself on a 1 /16 inch groove, missing two or three times then rushing back to your chair hoping to get there in time before it starts.. All these people are trying to do with these Flintsone drive belt tables is extract micro improvements which maybe someone like yourself who is in their teens or earlytwenties could theoretically hear. But the specs on these tables are superior to these new tables. It sounds like the best of all worlds to me.

[@DeadKoby]

Neither of the tables are junk.......but the arm on the Carbon needs more credit. Unless you have both side by side, and have taken them apart, it negates some of the points. Things like MEASURING Wow and Flutter is something that REALLY should be done here.

[@aarsonbet]

100% agree!

[@jackedkerouac4414]

Surprised he didn't consider the carbon tonearm. It's a big feature of that tt

[@emailatomic]

I applaud checking the numbers. But you guys are splitting hairs over subtleties which make no difference. If you want perfect resistance to transfered vibration take the turntable out of the room. It eliminates all issues with plinth platter tonarm etc. ALL. You talk wow and flutter but all these belt drive tables from Pro-ject, Fluance etc have ten times the wow and flutter of a cheap Technics direct drive whether it has quartz lock or not. Fluance has an apologetic trying to convince you their .5 wow and flutter might be better than a direct drive table that has .025. These tables also have 10 percent lower rumble numbers, which is the noise transferred from all sources contained on the table. Where you are right is none of these tables are junk but they don't even hold up in specs to tables made decades back. I have a $1400 dollar 100 percent carbon fiber guitar. The sexy woven stuff which is on the carbon tonarm is like what they put on the soundboard of my guitar because Carbon fiber resonates beautifully . Meaning it transfers the vibrations from the strings and resonates it out to the audience. Why do you want carbon fiber. Because its strong? Seven inches of steel combatting the micro movements of a needle is not only strong but rigid. Woven carbon fiber is flexible . What benefit do you get from carbon fiber? And like I say if your goal is zero vibration. Get the turntable out of the room.

[@sosoflow6506]

This is one of the best explanation vids ever.

[@stephenbarrow3352]

I have owned the project debut carbon dc and now own the evo version. I have to say they both came with a 45 adapter.

[@rickpaul4216]

The expense in the ProJect is the carbon fiber tonearm. Mentioned it in passing? USB?

[@ItsBestiny]

I bought the Orbit back in February because of your video about affordable record players and I love it so much

[@eddypalogrande6090]

Sup Jarrett! After years of buying special edition vinyl and watching your videos, I finally purchased a turntable. Thanks for all of the advice and congrats on reaching 200K subs! Also, have you listened to The Strokes - The New Abnormal album? Highly recommended ✌️

[@michaelbruce5415]

I’m always amazed at how wonderful vinyl albums sound. Right now ‘In the court of the crimson King’ is on my system and it sounds awesome. Pro-Ject turntable, Ortofon 2M Black cartridge. Kenwood LA5040 120Watt Amp and DALI speakers.

[@Vince_Tasciotti]

Either of these turntables can plug into a computer. Just use a Y cable with RCA jacks on one side and a 3.5mm plug on the other. Plug the RCAs into the pre-amp and the 3.5mm int the audio input on the computer and you are ready to go. This arrangement is how I digitize and store my LPs in iTunes.

[@joshualieder7524]

Can you review the AT lp5x available only on preorder please?

[@Skelatorix]

Just a thought though; how easy is it to change between speeds on both tables? Knowing from my friends experience, he said he can’t really listen to his 7”s because the belt on his orbits doesn’t get enough grip on the smaller pulley of 45rpm. As for the preamps available for both the U-turn and the Project; is one of higher quality than the other? Just asking because I do own a Project preamp for my tecnics turn table. And then I wouldn’t have handed out any points for not being automatic or not having the 7” adapter.

[@martinmedrano]

He's back. Hey can you do a re-review of the fluance rt81 turntable? Also can you recommend a phono preamp for it under $100.

[@stanmanh1]

Just spend the money on a Fluance RT-85. It'll last you for years and no need to upgrade parts. I have one and LOVE it.

[@martinmedrano]

@@stanmanh1 i already own the rt81 i purchased it on Facebook marketplace for $160 in brand new condition.

[@mattobambino]

I have the uturn orbit and one thing that bothers me are the hinges for the dust cover. I enjoy the design of the pro ject more and like how it’s hinges are metal and not plastic. I do however enjoy my acrylic platter.

[@haroldzapata2244]

bro, a tip, do not recommend things that you have not given yourself the time to try, that is very irresponsible and unprofessional on your part

[@smthrde9956]

Song of the day we’re not gonna take it by twisted sister

[@zackcordle4814]

Glad to see you’re still at it promoting vinyl! Been here since the beginning. I started up my lp-120 the other day after a long time, and it’s just been wonderful. Keep preaching the good word of vinyl brother!

[@vinyleyezz]

Thank you for watching from the beginning! I appreciate it! More good stuff on the way, keep spinning! 🎵

[@RockX_Chris]

You should do another showdown of the RT85 vs the Carvon EVO

[@RETROMAN-YouTube-Channel]

(1:08) 78's aren't rare, but finding a specific song you want on that format is rare.

[@guybatchelor4646]

The newer version of the carbon now doesnt use the 2m red red now but the Sumiko Ranier which is supposedly even better btw

[@iJamieM]

Now we need a LP120X vs U-Turn Orbit Plus video!! Also have you seen the TONE turntable? That would be an interesting comparison too!

[@dannielwheeler]

Song of the day: The Smiths - I started something I couldn’t finish 💜💜

[@thedanielstraight]

Great video, Jarrett!! Song: Fleetwood Mac - Seven Wonders

[@absolutelychampagne]

Cool video, bro!

[@LanceBoos]

I upgraded to the Debut Carbon last fall when it was still $400, and I've been kicking myself for not doing it sooner (like when it was going for $350). My only complaint is that you have to lift the platter and manually adjust the belt between 33 and 45, but that's really only a minot inconvenience.

[@germansanchez3043]

Thank you for all the songs of the day.....as a music lover. I welcome all 😴

[@ignacioborenszteyn1954]

With the U-Turn, If you move the belt to the biggest diameter motor transport, you get the 45RPM and no need for an adapter. Cartridge can be easily replaced to any of your choice. Also you can get a buit-in preamp as an option for extra $70

[@joshualieder7524]

Can you do an onboard preamp vs separate preamp amp video please? Why buy a turntable with an onboard preamp and then choose to bypass it?

[@7JANEWAY]

Most TT comparisons like this are for belt drive TTs. It would be interesting for you if you would compare two direct drive TTs, like the AT LP 120 vs. the AT LP 140. I have an AT LP 140X and it sounds and looks great!!!

[@stanmanh1]

Spend $50 more on a Fluance RT-85 (priced at $500). A great turntable with Ortofon Blue!!!!

[@7JANEWAY]

I agree!!!

[@raphaelroth1456]

You can also upgrade om 5e to om 10, 20, 30 or 40... it’s completely analogue to the 2m line. In fact the om line is the predecessor to the 2m line. Red -> 10, blue -> 20, bronze -> 30 and black -> 40.

[@ThatVinylChannel]

I have two turntables with acrylic platters. Uturn Orbit Custom and a Project Essential III Beatles (Sgt Peppers) Edition. I can tell you. If you have a record that is not flat, that is dished or warped, it most likely will have problems especially on the Uturn where the platter is smoother. If the record is warped or dished, the record has a tendency to slip while spinning if you place it on the acrylic platter directly. It does happen on both but more often on the Uturn as again, the acrylic platter is smoother. I recommend always use a mat.

[@eskimojoe6564]

I think i am sold on the the orbit plus that acrylic platter is nice and you can choose the 2m red just like the carbon.Not to mention built in pluto pre amp on the orbit is nice if you already have powered speakers if upgrading from the AT lp60

[@juniorgalarza9940]

People , which one is better? Audio-Technica AT-LPW40WN or Audio-Technica AT-LP120XUSB-SV??? I want an upgrade and idk which one , thanks for the suggestion!!

[@dutchdingus8419]

Song of the day: All the young dudes-Mott the hoople

[@GroovyLisa]

I own a uturn orbit and had for 5 years still works great.

[@bluepeng8895]

You should compare the Debut Carbon vs Debut Carbon EVO

[@alainmoret5887]

Hi, there is a Pro-Jet with Hi-Res encoding for computer. I am really interested BUT first I don't know why there is an M2 Ortofon on the cartridge? 'cause M2 is 20 Hz till 20 KHz and Hi-Res starts at 24 bits from 5 Hz till 192 KHz or 96 KHz, to me you have loss with M2 Ortofon cartridge? Second whether RCA cables are analogic, why should I have a turntable with Hi-Res. Maybe I just have to have a converter DAC in my computer to transform analogic signals to digital Hi-Res signals?

[@alainmoret5887]

I use now an Audio-Technica cartridge named: VM 760 SLC I feel free with the sound that comes out. Just I need to get an Hi-Res end-sound on my computer and out of the speakers...

[@coreymcdaniel5146]

Song of the day Tesla ~ Love Song I’ve been jamming on this for the last couple days!

[@zamaurijones2725]

You gotta do a Record Store Day 2021 tutorial or something!

[@randomvideosmanniska7835]

Vinyl Eyezz please help me with this! One time when I wanted to play a Flexi disc i did drop the needle in the beginning and the song did start to repeat a word 3 times and after that the needle did go bananas on the slip mat for like 5 seconds and I did really get a heart attack it was my brand new turntable and I was acting like nothing happened. But after that u changed to a other record and was gonna play a normal 7 inch 45 rpm record and Inte happened again! So total about 19 sec on the slip mat, did that hurt my needle too much to destroy my records? I don’t hear so much but please say watch you think? It is really bad for the needle? The 2 records is ok by the way. I have a AT-LP120XUSB with Original needle something like AT- VMN95E sorry for bad English

[@randomvideosmanniska7835]

@@frankmurray1549 thank you

[@kurikokaleidoscope]

Very interesting.

[@ofermashiach4519]

This video is all about the technical aspects, but how about the actual experience of using those turntables, not to mention their sound quality?

[@TheSoundrookie]

Word.

[@emailatomic]

All most all of the opinion about platters matts and other refinements in sound are BS anyway. Especially when you are getting advice from an audiophile who is age 40 and above who probably cant hear anything over 12000 hz telling you nonsense about mats and platters..

[@eddieberkeyheiser]

Song of the day: Blood on the Dance Floor - Michael Jackson

[@that_laughing_hyena]

Song of the day: Flying Dutchman by Jethro Tull

[@ericdere]

My Debut Carbon came with a 7” adapter.

[@luke_r1782]

An advantage for the Pro-Ject is it is available outside America and Canada. I want an Orbit Custom so bad but I live in the uk 😔

[@123brendan12]

Question: I noticed that my lp60x is very quiet. For example, when I plug my labtop into the same speaker that I use for my record player, its at least 5-10 times louder than my record player at full volume. Is it just because of the sound volume of the record player or is there something wrong with my setup?

[@buddytyree]

There should be a switch on the back of your table that has "Line" and "Phono" options. It sounds like your table is in Phono mode, which means the built in preamp isn't turned on. Flip the switch to "Line" and you should get more volume. Hope this helps!

[@mergatroid1212]

why did you count the tone arm in the count for the cartridge? they are 2 separate things! makes it a draw but if you add in the upgrade to an acrylic platter the carbon wins! seeing as you added the upgrade option for a phono pre-amp! and took a point off the project for being more expensive too! this is a very strange showdown!

[@justinboudreaux7347]

my lp120 sounds worse the further in the stylus gets is tyere any way to fix that ?

[@PaulMaison]

Why didn't you compare tonearms separately? The ProJect has a better tonearm in my opinion.

[@moonchild22]

Both looks like a fancy choping board, LP-120 or any copy of SL1200 for me. Also with LP120 Is so easy chance from 33.3 to 45 RPM, just pushing a boton.

[@puffman1144]

Honestly, you should check out the Esprit It comes with an acrylic platter, and 33, 45 78 rpm, not to mention it still has a carbon tone arm and is cheaper.

[@jimsregaturntableshifijukebox]

The heavier a turntable is, the better the sound quality !?!?! 🧐 Does Rega turntables ring a bell?

[@aarsonbet]

Bingo. It’s about how the turntable isolates itself from vibration and resonance that is key.

[@Cujobob]

There are different approaches, but Rega also played at the wrong speeds on their tables for the longest time, so I think people completely overstate their quality level. This is what happens when people give subjective impressions without the ability to accurately remember sound for comparison (which is just a human flaw in general).

[@jimsregaturntableshifijukebox]

@@Cujobob my goodness, to must feel strongly about this. 😉 Joined for 15 years, no content and one comment! 🧐 😉

[@Cujobob]

@@jimsregaturntableshifijukebox ? I comment regularly and don't put out content on this account, I'm not sure how that's related to the topic at hand, though. I'm in the market for a new turntable and just been researching like crazy. The chase is on...

[@jimsregaturntableshifijukebox]

@@Cujobob wasn't being negative, Bud. 😉 Just checked your channel to see if you had any hifi items and saw it had no other comments or videos posted. I've heard a quite a few different makes and models of turntables but, for the prices I got my old Rega Planner 3s for and their tweak ability / sound, I think they are a bargain. Happy turntable hunting. Stay safe. Mij 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 ☺

[@ily4988]

are denver turntables good?

[@5122jeff]

Note that the debut carbon in the us comes with a sumiko rainier cartridge which has a better upgrade path and is arguably a better cartridge than the 2m red

[@brturner]

hey does anyone know what phono Jarrett uses with his fluance?

[@300DBenz]

The old platter on my Debut Carbon was steel, not aluminum. (I upgraded to acrylic)

[@joebloggs8636]

So did i..

[@PAMAROSHOUSE]

i love my 2 technics 1200s i own from the mid 80s would not exchange them

[@georgedoughly8682]

Awesome Turntables!!

[@billyscott5635]

I have a black debut carbon and have had it for 6 years now and have to say it's a great deck.

[@luminocitymusic]

This is great can't wait to have enough money for one of them Song of the day: Aerosmith - Amazing

[@coastercrafter1productions300]

Song of they day: Hello from Leonel Richiel

[@asaaziz6162]

Song of the Day-All Caps by Madvillain

[@dragannovakovic1604]

Pleas what if you say for 700€ for the mark of Thorens TD 202 is that a good price or not 🤔

[@TheSoundrookie]

I will say not. It's basically an overpriced Lenco L-90/91.

[@poet7158]

have to take way 1 point from the uturn it does not come with cue lever it is seperate purchase so it is tie lol

[@arcadiancargo5650]

song of the day: Rapp Snitch Knishes - MFDOOM

[@poet7158]

MISCONSEPTION the u turn acrylic plater does not come standard it is a sepreate purchase up grade.

[@ScottIrvine01]

You don't need USB output. I feed mine into my computer through line in from RCA output from the turntable.

[@tehblueduck]

U-turn is not available worldwide. Thats a poinht for Project

[@Clacker7]

Song of the day: Revolution 909 by Daft Punk

[@coastercrafter1productions300]

I have tons of 78s and enjoy playing them and i own a Victrola Vintage Suitcase i know uses the same Crosley tech but ill look for an Audio Tech that also plays 78s or ill pick up a Classroom Recird player if my local school has one thats willing to give it away

[@TorontoJon]

LIKE 33 which I did with glee. Great video as usual, Jarrett. :)

[@vinyleyezz]

Thank you for the LIKE! 😊👍

[@Timetuplay27]

Song of the day; Twilight - Electric Light Orchestra

[@Bing_Bong750]

Cool song-soft panda

[@AlexTechYT]

I really think that its great that you can customise your own U- Turn Record Player! It should be a right to have the ability to choose your exact turntable!

[@StoopsyDaisy]

Just about to dive into the hobby! Absolutely loving your videos!

[@VinylSerenity]

I also think now that song of the day has seen better days

[@matthewliek7935]

The 45 adapter on the orbit, is just moving thr belt lower