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[@TheGreatBookofGrudges]

WAAAAAAGH! Also JUSTICE FOR SAVAGE ORCS -.- seriously though Orcs seem great now :)

[@williamtheuns3231]

This is the one I’ve been looking forward too! I’m doing a heavy forest goblin army (I have a unit of savage orcs and an orc warboss legally speaking)

[@shadowturtleyinyang]

my guess is that savage orcs will be arcane journal army

[@grimshwiz]

Savage orcs are basically now just an upgrade for the orc mobs (warpaint is I believe the upgrade). There is no individual unit for them now. I would imagine the term Savage Orc could be misconstrued to be racist, like the name change from spear chukka to bolt thrower.

[@Lassemalten]

You didn't explain Weirdboys but guess Weirdboys=Orc shaman?

[@TheGreatBookofGrudges]

Yup​@@Lassemalten

[@christoffermonikander2200]

Wolf Riders are core. That means a full Gobbo Khan list would be viable. Nice.

[@plasmapanasonic4741]

I came to this video just for this. Thanks brah

[@Kothag]

I suspect that when the arcane journal for Greenskins comes out that there will be armies of infamy list that will support the subfactions like Savage Orcs and Night Goblins better than the Grand Army list does currently.

[@Xomitsious]

I think so too

[@Tigerheart01]

My thoughts exactly. Not that GW has a stellar track record for caring what other people have already collected (about 50/50), but there's PLENTY of people who still have Night Goblin armies...

[@jacobbjelgart1900]

I would guess that they go another way altogether. I think that they will do a mountains list: focus on orcs and night goblins, with less cavalry but ambushy special rules. And a second "wilds" list focus on monsters, savages and forest goblins, with limits on night goblins and black orcs

[@Edwoodb3]

I hope so, that would be a relief. I'm halfway through my first Night Goblins regiment and I was hoping I'd be able to have a Night Gobbo themed army.

[@ellienixon3437]

Really happy you’re doing these videos, they’ve been great! Can’t wait to hear about the wood elves!

[@DamBrooks]

What are you talking about, Welfs are disgusting and I am offended that you would mention them when you should be paying attention to the Orcs….

[@Xomitsious]

It's worth pointing out that there's a lot of flexibility there. I think you can have one unit as skirmishers and also one unit of each core can get a magic banner. We used to be able to have them back in 4th-5th edition but not since.

[@lukerobinson5070]

Nice little video. The one I've been waiting for. When I started playing Warhammer I always played Fark elves and my brother had a big orc and goblin army. Eventually I built a big night goblin army so looking forward to getting them all back on the table to try the new rules .

[@Coerciveutopian]

My first introduction to WHFB I played orcs&goblins and my entire army blew itself up / killed each other before my opponent's first turn . Somehow I was hooked.

[@markimusmaximus7870]

As long as they had a good scrap that's the main thing

[@sarico7827]

OMG YES SPIDERS are back! I still have some of my orcs og black orcs and I had a full goblins army woohoo!

[@LordMacragge31]

Something you missed is you can take 2 savage orc chariots now, which adds some extra points and a new datasheet that didnt happen before

[@treydudley7966]

I don’t mind the restriction on savage orcs when those frenzied units are so good. The frenzied chariot can have +5 extra attacks from crew+boars and gets a 6+ ward on top of its 4+ base save as a chariot. Wild stuff for such a good price.

[@hansgerman3437]

Glad to see, that a Black Orc list is now possible. Was a pain in the bum with the Limit back then.

[@georgesutherlandhoward4417]

This is my big takeaway from this video. I'm *so* excited to make an army of orcs who are consummate professionals.

[@redcossack3943]

I really needed a good summary of what to expect with the boyz in new version, you gave me just what I wanted. Thanks!

[@Clidefride007]

I think the savage orc list is something that could be a house rule. Its not like orc are particularly OP, so i dont see an issue with ignoring some of the restrictions and going with the rule of cool.

[@giggabyte6413]

No animosity for me is a con, I loved animosity, it was so fun, and will still be doing it during my own games.

[@SteffPT]

It’s not so funny actually… soooo much restrictions for strategy purposes, and at some point it’s not so funny

[@Coerciveutopian]

Ok, but will I still be able to bring my full snotling army? "Because we can"?

[@sarahhillary7698]

Savage Orcs will probably be available as a variant army list when the Orc and Goblin Arcane Journal comes out. Also no Night Goblin Fanatics? Or do they come as a upgrade choice for Night Goblin mobs?

[@blastbeatpie3239]

Fanatics are an upgrade like they always were, along with netters :)

[@timothyharnedy4495]

I think Savage Orcs will be an army of infamy, because then they will be able to bring in some restrictions on things like war machines, etc, as part of that list.

[@bennconner1195]

My favourite faction looking forward to their model range coming back. Hopefully we get a new wavern model. I don’t remember big un’s getting armour bane if previous editions. It was just a +1 in strength.

[@alwoodsmodellingmayhem]

This is another faction I am keen to put together with pump wagons and Doom Divers, so much fun!!!😂😂Painting Night Goblins whilst watching this (OK, they are Gloomspite Gitz but.....🤫) Thanks for sharing this, very much appreciated.👍👍Subbed.

[@johnbailey8567]

Definitely hoping for night goblin support. Want squigs and grotz!!!

[@danneviromega3389]

the savage orcs confirm it, the non core factions are the ones with minis from fantasy that are sold in AoS, and GW don't want to sell twice in diferent boxes, because savage orcs minis are still part of the orruk warclans in AoS

[@nraketh]

Which makes zero sense to me. Why do they not want the extra sales?

[@danneviromega3389]

maybe so they don't have to sell twice of the same thing, but with different quantity and different bases. I guess that buying the larger OW boxes would be cheaper than the AoS ones @@nraketh

[@stevenfletcher3411]

@@nraketh They want people to buy an AOS army and an Old World army probably.

[@ClydeMillerWynant]

But Orcs and Goblins are a core faction and you can field Savage Orcs and Night Goblins...

[@CDMJDMHHC]

lol who gives a dam GW wants, with their prices? they can get bent!

[@robertreid9256]

I didn't hear my favorite unit mentioned Goblin Fanatics. Are they still around? Also I loved Animosity I rolled spectacularly poor, and my whole army either was arguing or fighting itself. I loved it.

[@TheGreatBookofGrudges]

That's because Fanatics aren't a unit they are an upgrade for Night Goblin units :) same as netters

[@ianshannon5789]

I am looking forward to seeing the full rules for night goblins.

[@allancarey2604]

You know….given that it’s a points based upgrade, I’m happy to house rule the savage orc issue away…..my savage army theme will end up having forest goblin models with river trolls in the mix

[@TheGreatBookofGrudges]

Yeah I'm using a house rule for bat reps cos I have 150 Savage Orcs I intend to use lol

[@blastbeatpie3239]

Thank you, I think this is the only faction focus I have seen for the Greenskins, everyone seems to be ignoring them 😢

[@thelittlestgiant]

If I just want to spam as many black orcs as I can, how much of my army could actually be black orcs now? What even is the standard point value match? •Black orc warboss as general •Black orc big bosses to fill the rest of the leftover “character” slots •1 black orc mob for your “core” (which probably wouldn’t cost 25% of your army value?) •As many black orc mobs as possible up to 50% of your army cost for “special.” Without knowing the points costs or having access to the book it’s nearly impossible for me to figure out what models to actually try and collect to try out the game. I have know a local guy who’s got a lot of black orcs to trade though and I’m thinking that may be the easiest/cheapest way I could try my first army. Would you be able to help me with these questions? Just how many black orc models can I squeeze into one standard point value army? 😅

[@T3koner]

Oh yes just bought my army along w movement trays for 30x30mm using the really nice avatar of war greenskin minis.. lotss of black orc boyz and bosses 😊

[@brucelim8574]

Awesome work looking forward to seeing more

[@okonkwojones]

What’s the lore reason for gobbos Fear of Elves rule?

[@SuRpriiZeGaming]

Where do you find the rules and points cost

[@Le-cp9tr]

I am hoping for Forest goblin army of infamy

[@akoni63]

Soooooo a Snotling army is possible and legal?!?

[@bennyboy5374]

How will magic work, if I have 3 goblin shamans can I then have 3 of Morks curse out in play at the same time?

[@evil7ash]

Any limits on Big Un units ?

[@KaajTheDuck]

Aww no pump wagon, was the first model i ever got.

[@mcyolicjones9081]

Looks like Orcs have a little more bite. I like it.

[@jasonbryden8218]

The question I have is whether or not AoS models can be used for Old World if we don't have access to the old stuff.... or whether we should wait to see if they release Orcs FOR Old World

[@respectfulevil9022]

Their bringing back old models for every faction

[@totalwardad]

Funny they went with the Weirdnob names. Are those supposed to be the Savage Orcs? Or are they not included because they're going to be coming with shiny new models in AoS? :)

[@armandofierro8433]

The savage orcs are a upgrade for the orcs mobs

[@fdelatower]

Impetuos is not a contra?

[@Ignatiusofantioch87]

Literally just started looking for this this morning. Hoping goblins are playable 🤞

[@poxous3854]

Honestly are you really running more than 2 Savage infantry units? Also, you can run savage archers and not having frenzy would be helpful.

[@sarahmathews2322]

I have a Armies on Parade winning full savage orc army with lots of conversions. This is sadness. Lets hope for the arcane journal :(

[@OldWitchDoctor]

I see some units have moved categories since last time I played fantasy. But this looks pretty ok

[@CDMJDMHHC]

a savage orc army just can not have armor so what is the restriction what did I miss?

[@Lassemalten]

Sounded on him as you can give warpaints to Black orcs now as well. If you listen to 7:40-7:47 when he talks about warpaint

[@CDMJDMHHC]

I wondered what I missed but can I have units and characters without armor light or heavy to include monsters. thank you @@Lassemalten

[@Lassemalten]

@@CDMJDMHHC War paint don't limit your monsters if that's what you meant? You can have light/heavy armor on those models that don't have war paint.

[@CDMJDMHHC]

@@Lassemalten my savage Orc army list is missing light armor or heavy armor wargear/equipment or upgrades then everything is OK.

[@DamBrooks]

Animosity is still alive and kicking, pun not intended, you just have to play the Orc team in Blood Bowl and just when you think “All I need to do now is pass the ball to my well positioned Blitzer who then has to roll a 3+ with a reroll spare run it in and victory is mine all mine!!! Almost certainly animosity shows up again to prove that although you may think you have thought everything through Nuffle is there to remind you that you are playing their game. 😂😂😂

[@melkhiordarkfell4354]

Am I crazy or are there no Goblin Lord options?

[@GaryP336]

You can actually get a full savage orc army. Because you can get savage orc chariots now...in units of up to 3. 0-1 per thousand.

[@TheGreatBookofGrudges]

Savage Orc chariots literally goes against all established lore for them I rather not

[@jolamber]

Hey Nathan when's the first battle report?

[@TheGreatBookofGrudges]

Soon! I'm gonna show you guys the studio before that! It's been a work in progress which has been.. eventful. Always make sure the electrics are off before drilling by the way 🤣

[@geeksworkshop]

What do you mean by, You are getting the memes? Is it like getting the Smurfs?

[@skarnak1]

Did I miss it, or has Greenskin animosity been removed?

[@TheGreatBookofGrudges]

Yup removed!

[@krimson4980]

Did I miss you mentioning fanatics?

[@TheGreatBookofGrudges]

Fanatics are attached to Night Goblins as per usual

[@schizeinbornheim7732]

No snotling pump wagon 😢 ?

[@bww33]

6th edition was, IMO, the best edition they had - and it feels like this is a continuation of that, pretending that 7th/8th didnt happen.

[@ShadowWolfRising]

Where is the justice for the Forest Goblins?

[@WARGORELORD]

If im not missing something forest goblins never were part of the Orc and Goblin Army book of the last couple of Warhammer Fantasy editions. You only have them in form of the spider riders and arachnarok.

[@ShadowWolfRising]

@@WARGORELORD How is it that CA and the Fans consistently create better army lists than GW does?

[@kendozero1861]

No Foot!!!??

[@Dementat]

Savage Orcs seem more than possible. Anyone running units of less than 10Boar Boys or 20 Infantry is asking for trouble. 2k is easily hit with a mob of 30 Savage Orc, 2 mobs of 10-15 SO Boar Boys and either a second big combat mob or aob of 20 with bows.

[@rambojohn4538]

😍😍😍 Thx

[@monocerotis6917]

I hope its coming new Orc bosses and New Wolfes to goblins or chariots =)

[@chetmanley1885]

Goblins already have new wolves

[@monocerotis6917]

@@chetmanley1885 I know they will not fit new bases, so i think coming new ones =)) thats for sure!

[@bobolegentil9026]

hum, what about my forest goblins army!!!

[@sod1237]

pro: "lot s of core choices"? That might be nice for causal play, but is basically useless if things get even a little bit competitive.

[@LordMacragge31]

It's nice to have multiple options so you don't have to run the same things everytime

[@sod1237]

@@LordMacragge31 It is great, if your playing group works that way! My experience with Fantasy battle is a different one: Games always get a little more competitive than what was planned. I think this is caused by the rather long time it takes to plan , set up and play the game. When you take a look over at the chaos discussion, players are talking about lists including several single dragon ogres already.

[@jlozano2615]

I’m sure the reason there’s a heavy bias toward Night Goblins is because that’s all you can get from GW right now if you want to play goblins.

[@cteague4988]

Bring back Ruglud’s and I’m back in!

[@richardcowan8785]

Orc arrer boys...are they a thing?

[@troybirch6478]

Cons: impetuous goblin fast cav is not good.

[@Deadknight67]

I hope Orcs will be better than before because Dwarves have always been favored by GW and insane strong while the Orcs where rather bad. Hopefully Orcs can be played not EXCLUSIVELY for the Lulz.

[@lux-px2fp]

I actually invented Goblins Nathaniel

[@Lassemalten]

Choppas became much worse but hopefully that lowers the points on orcs. Or maybe they have given orcs S4 which they should have as they are a lot stronger then a goblin/human(S3)

[@jacobbjelgart1900]

Orcs have never been stronger than humans, more brutal with much more endurance is their thing

[@Lassemalten]

@@jacobbjelgart1900 from most I read the average orc is as strong as the average dwarf, and they are both supposed to be stronger than the average human, at least as strong as a strong man. But sure I guess it's reflected in that Orc army list have a lot more S4 units to take instead.

[@LordMacragge31]

​@@Lassemaltenaverage dwarfs are also S3 though

[@Lassemalten]

@@LordMacragge31 yupp goblins are as strong as dwarfs and orcs

[@euychua]

they could be saving the savage ladz for a supplement ORRRR (tin foil hat) they'll be given an AOS update?

[@jpf338]

No animosity:/

[@fehanormorkall965]

no more animosity T.T

[@squallstrife8863]

Man, as and old O&G player, no animosity changes the game rules .................. for sooooo good.

[@ONETTH]

NO HAND OF GORK??? NO FOOT OF GORK????

[@gameroom2053]

Agreed...dislike GWs aversion to theme armies...

[@markpandelidis2079]

Weird. Cross pollination between AOS and OW. I mean they are set in the same setting, but like it also feels extremely disingenuous having to have the same model on different base sizes. I'm not trying to hate on the old world, but I just don't see how this is going to work for GW. It feels like it's fighting AOS. And that feels like a mistake.

[@martinjrgensen8234]

They removed animosity. Lame. It was just something you lived with. Screw that it made them “worse” in comps

[@sod1237]

Orc magic sounds weak.

[@SirMeowingCat]

Giving away WAY TOO MUCH!! this should be in breach on an NDA, you should not be giving away GW IP

[@shawnfoogle920]

i gotta be honest. This is supposed to be warhammer 3. But lore is lore and its useless sooo if this channels just lore maybe I shouldn't be subbed.

[@shockerck4465]

Does "Choppa" do anything special?