Organizing Organisms (feat. AronRa) - (Ken) Ham & AiG News

Ken Ham and his team have a weekly "news" show, reacting to the news stories of the day from a Christian young-earth creation perspective from the Answers in Genesis staff at his Creation Museum.
AronRa and I join Georgia, Brian and Jennifer as they discuss Evolutionists propose PhyloCode for naming creatures; Biologists intelligently design experiment to replicate imaginary past and more during Answers News, broadcast live from the Creation Museum.
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[@TheDarkZeroGame]

Honestly, i'd pay to listen to courses taught by AronRa

[@grapeshot]

AronRa is the man that helped me go full atheist.

[@Visshaldar]

have you watched his series the systematic classification of life?

[@IanJAGreen]

MasterClass in Taxonomy? 🤤🤤🤤

[@UngoogleableMan]

Check out Foundational Falsehoods of Creationism on Audible. Arons expansion of his web series in to an entire book, narrated by the man himself.

[@Shake69ification]

@@Visshaldar yes, that's an amazing series that should be shown in biology classes.

[@diedertspijkerboer]

Apologist's prayer "Please God, change the evidence and stop making it fit with evolution."

[@zemorph42]

Not all apologists are creationists, some try to fit the Bible to reality instead of the other way around.

[@ramptonarsecandle]

@@zemorph42 That's pretty much what happens here in the UK, evolution is an accepted fact by the clergy and they don't try to shoehorn creation in. We see the bible as a bad ancient story book.

[@francesottewill2538]

Yeah vs, people who are christians who read that, "the spirit of God flew over the water." Not that it was nessicarily the beginning and everyone else who can quite clearly state that the earth is obviously not 6 thousand years old. Which is weird cause the bible doesn't state this!

[@Ifuddontlikeitwatchsomthinelse]

@@francesottewill2538 exactly even in genesis it’s not totally clear if god was already here first or if the formless wasteland was already here. At best god cleaned up and brought light to this reality at worst he hijacked it and rewrote history, like so many human authorities have tried to do over the course of history

[@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz]

"Science adjusts its views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation, so that belief can be preserved"

[@55Quirll]

Science is questions that need answers. Religion is answers that can't be questioned. I know I've plagerised someone but it is true.

[@neiloflongbeck5705]

@@55Quirll I learnt it as "Science is unanswered questions; religion is unquestioned answers". I wish I knew who came up with this saying and what the original wording was. All I know is that the scientists won the so-called war with religion and to who was correct when the religions started putting lightning conductors on their buildings instead of relying on prayer to protect them.

[@Roxor128]

@@neiloflongbeck5705 I recall hearing something similar, but it was more like "Philosophy asks questions that may not be answered, Religion gives answers that may not be questioned." Pretty sure the word "may" has two different meanings in that sentence, though.

[@neiloflongbeck5705]

@@Roxor128 I wonder just how many variations there are?

[@NeverTalkToCops1]

@@neiloflongbeck5705 11

[@grapeshot]

Oh Ken 🥩 there you go again with your kinds. AronRa is the man that helped me go full atheist. I like his take no prisoners style.

[@anikmonette2140]

For me it was the Amazing Atheist but my faith was mostly gone so anyone at that point would have turbo speeded my deconversion. Ps: oh! Forgot to mention that Aronra would make me die happy if his soothing voice was the last thing I heard before my death!

[@generalgrievous2202]

@@anikmonette2140 even if he killed you? Your statement was too vague.

[@jsnel9185]

@@generalgrievous2202 and your statement was just silly.

[@generalgrievous2202]

@@jsnel9185 i dont know why i made that previous comment, looking back, yeah its just silly

[@frankieRandle8779]

From your picture I'm guessing you are of Afro - Caribbean heritage, shame really as the man responsible for formulation the Theory of Evolution(by Means of Natural Selection) was quite racist . His Book, "On the Origins of Species", contains the assertion that Black people are less evolved than white people. Not many people realise this.

[@koraggknightwolf8454]

Aron Ra the bulldozer of wishful thinking.

[@benjaminmiller3620]

Wow, that's grammatically ambiguous. Are you insulting him or complimenting him?

[@garret1930]

@@benjaminmiller3620 I suspect the answer is yes.

[@cucharadeoro]

Yes, it definitely could be interpreted as a criticism of Aron -- poorly phrased

[@atonick6564]

Paul and Aron a match made in heathen ! Thanks so much to you both you have no idea how much you have helped me !

[@autobotstarscream765]

Considering Aron's fighting spirit, I'd say a match made in Valhalla! 😎

[@CaptFoster5]

@@autobotstarscream765 thinking of AronRa with his long hair and leather jacket, more likely Stovokor 😳

[@ryantoth676]

Just for that pun you get a like

[@thomasruwart1722]

That blue-shirt guy is a classic example of the Dunning-Kruger Effect... he doesn't know what he doesn't know.

[@edgarmatzinger9742]

Uhmm, do you?

[@cecilbrisley5185]

@@edgarmatzinger9742 Not very clever. I know I do not know quantum physics, the names of the lunar seas, how to construct an atom bomb or the color of your mother's hair .....so many things really.

[@DJHastingsFeverPitch]

I have a friend like that. He tells me, "man, you know me, I like to really think rationally like you", and then anytime we talk about science that may even slightly conflict with the Bible, it's like he can't get out of his own way fast enough to fit as many mental gymnastics in his reasoning as possible.

[@bryanleonard8008]

I love how theist focus on something from nothing meanwhile that is the exact thing they claim the sky wizard did in their bible lol

[@dozog]

It's totally different.🤔 😂😂😂😂😂

[@SinthiaVicious]

This is what is known as the special pleading fallacy.

[@wishusknight3009]

All dishonest people do is project when attacking others. That is what fundies do.

[@bigskypioneer1898]

Have asked them the same question. "If you think something from nothing is so 'out there' - then where did your god come from?"

[@AbandonedVoid]

It's even called Ex Nihilo Theology! "Ex Nihilo" literally translates as "from nothing."

[@thomasruwart1722]

Phylogeny Challenge: I would venture to guess that Evangelicals are one kind of human and Rational People are another kind, referred to as the Lesser Kind and the Greater Kind respectively😈 Note: Given Evangelicals political preferences, one could argue that they aren't very kind at all...😈

[@lucofparis4819]

Although tempting and somewhat funny, let's not go there, as categorizing humans in terms of greater and lesser groups is... not quite a good idea, nor is it an accurate representation of reality. Let's just say there are people who happen to be dead wrong, and it would be nice if we could find a way to make them get the memo.

[@thomasruwart1722]

Very good point. Let's not go there at all - it was an amusing thought but I didn't think it thru.

[@SonicYouth-si8mn]

Wait.. Aron has good audio? O M G

[@tompaine4044]

I was waiting for the barking dog 😝

[@brunozeigerts6379]

Of course humans are related to apes... there's an orangutan in the White House! Oh... that was offensive... sorry, orangutans...

[@BlackEpyon]

What I don't get with these guys, is that even when I WAS a "creationist," I could tell that at the very minimum, humans and the other apes shared the same "version 1.0 blueprints," as it were. That's beyond obvious when you compare skeletons. Say, God was playing around with a design, and had done a few trial runs to work the bugs out. I was even able to figure out, without any prodding, and certainly before I started to learn any REAL science (I grew up in a Christian school), that humans could have evolved from other apes if there was enough time. Once I learned of the evidence for deep time, everything clicked, and it became beyond obvious that the 6-day creation "model" was wrong. Because once you HAVE "deep time," the branching tree pattern of evolution is simply what one would expect to occur naturally, whatever or however that original life form appeared.

[@ananon5771]

what did orangutans do to you!

[@skunk12]

Did you prefer the previous ape?

[@skunk12]

@Richard Hopkins comedy is subjective. You are neither the arbiter of comedy nor the arbiter of what others can and cannot say.

[@skunk12]

@Richard Hopkins 😎👍 You get it.

[@galacticbob1]

I'm just always glad to see a new Paulogia video! 😄 Here's hoping this comment helps the algorithm to get you just a little bit closer to 50k subs.

[@Paulogia]

Thanks, Mike!

[@buzzkrieger3913]

@@Paulogia Just subscribed to take you a little further away from 50k. Congrats.

[@thatperson0013]

The best part of ham and egg news is the guests! Love arons work. I'm sad his classification of life series has ended. As a Dutch person these creationists fascinate me. The mental gymnastics it takes to believe this stuff is baffling.

[@wilezekiel5773]

Always good to see a friendly face, oh hey there's Aron too

[@autobotstarscream765]

Well, yeah, Paul is certainly a friendly dude. 😇👍

[@fireinthebrain]

Friendly is in the eye of the beholder 😬

[@thejordancolemanshow2274]

Yup

[@redpandah3309]

Oof 😆

[@DJHastingsFeverPitch]

Oof

[@mathewadams2929]

I see Aron, I watch Aron.

[@Paulogia]

smart

[@Shake69ification]

Me too. I feel assured I'll be getting quality content.

[@godlessrecovery8880]

First... ... ... ? No way. Edit: Damn, second. But I still beat Shannon.

[@charlesheld3725]

Kelso from That 70s Show explaining evolution. "If I had to chase really fast food to survive my feet would evolve into rockets." Seems legit

[@whatabouttheearth]

Wouldn't that be Lemarkian evolution?

[@Ifuddontlikeitwatchsomthinelse]

This is the level of understanding they have of evolution. You know, maybe they’re halfway right, maybe when you become Christian you stop evolving? At least in the mind.

[@kearstinnekenerson6676]

I love watching both of you it makes me want to learn even more. And people projecting is a fairly human condition whenever backs are against the wall

[@tonymessinajr]

first, I never use the word "believe" either, for years now, as it's the adult word for "pretend", secondly, I replace it with the words I either "know, or I don't know", but I don't pretend in anything..... that should be the proper way to live.... if everyone did this, it would straighten out lots of things for sure....

[@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz]

I'm glad Paulogia has stayed as an atheist channel. With all this cultural scrap going on and the govt favouring a modern religion, im glad there are still a few channels that stick to debunking religious claims.

[@lance4862]

Anyone else see the irony of AiG sitting in a recreation of the Ark made with 20th century tools and tech that cost millions made by teams of architects and construction workers but still isn't sea worthy. While AiG are moronic and I'm not a creationist, computers are programmed, they don't have bias, but the programming may and often does. Other than that I agree with all your points.

[@Griexxt]

Yeah, Thor Heyerdahl risked his life on several occasions to demonstrate the possibility of, among other things, Polynesia having been populated from South America. AiG builds a house that is in the shape of a boat, but is still not capable of housing all the animals that must have been on the Ark, even for a few days. The level of conviction is underwhelming to say the least.

[@Griexxt]

@Kevin McDougall "Heyerdahl didn't necessarily prove his ideas, but he demonstrated they were possible" Which coincidentally is what I wrote. "I guess you know that the real-life "King Kong," Gigantopithecus, was related to the orangutan, not the gorilla." I guess you are aware that the inventor of Vaseline used to eat a spoonful of it every day? What is this in reference to?

[@IAmAlgolei]

19:50 Georgia says, "If I could count the number of times they change evolutionary tree, I would be a millionaire." She thinks she would be a millionaire if she could count. I ... _don't_ think it works that way.

[@Ifuddontlikeitwatchsomthinelse]

So funny, as if changing isn’t the whole flipping point of the word evolution.

[@TheVeryHungrySingularity]

Aaron always gets so excited when someone might address his challenge

[@autobotstarscream765]

*Aron bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Aron_(Pok%C3%A9mon)

[@PurpleKnightmare]

OMG I just had a nerdgaism! AronRa as a guest! I love it!

[@JamesiaInc]

Always, always a pleasure to see Aron in these. I wish he made more content. HINT HINT

[@thisisisabella3634]

He's got a ton of content on his channel. Enough to keep you busy for weeks.

[@azulaspencer]

when you said "since the study of biological evolution is a subset of biology..." All i could hear is "I am the very model of a scientist Salarian! I've studied species, Turian, Asari, and Batarian. I'm quite good at genetics (as a subset of biology), because I am an expert (which I know is a tautology). My xenoscience studies range from urban to agrarian - I am the very model of a scientist Salarian!"

[@PZMyersBiology]

Minor point: Francis Crick was an agnostic/atheist.

[@galacticbob1]

I think he confused him with his partner, James Watson whom I believe is now a former Catholic, and Francis Collins the founder of the Human Genome Project (whom he mentions a few names later.) The heat of the moment, and all that.

[@AronRa]

I misspoke. I meant to say Francis Collins.

[@PZMyersBiology]

@@AronRa Oh, sure. Don't you realize your one error INVALIDATES everything else you said, you EVILUTIONIST? Remember, Jesus is INFALLIBLE.

[@andrewstoddard6717]

@@PZMyersBiology are you being sarcastic? I honestly cannot tell.

[@PZMyersBiology]

@@andrewstoddard6717 I'm pretty sure @AronRa can figure it out.

[@xTheRedMagex]

It says something that Christianity requires apologetics but Biology doesn't.

[@trybunt]

Science adjusts its views based on what's observed Faith is the denial of observation so that belief can be preserved.

[@BlackEpyon]

Apologetics? Why so sorry? What are you apologizing for?

[@soriac2357]

@@trybunt Or simpler: when the model doesn't agree with reality, scientists adapt the model. Creationists adapt reality.

[@1Dropboys]

I binged aronra yesterday, get to continue this morning!

[@bdf2718]

Bing, bing, bing, bing, bing. Sounds rude.

[@Joemamahahahaha821]

Literally just got done watching an aronra vid and just subbed to you from scimandan. This is awesome.

[@Paulogia]

Welcome aboard!

[@pgsmith22]

The type of profound ignorance promoted by AiG is so detrimental to those foolish enough to watch, i feel it reasonable to prosecute them for assault. Freedom of speech be damned.

[@todhannigan8779]

Ra! Ra! Aron Ra! Giving the intellectual smack down the religious liars so deserve!

[@michaelmeszaros6982]

After the insurance company refused to pay for water damage to "The ARK" Encounter (?????) , it has changed it's name to KEN HAM'S FIREWOOD EMPORIUM, ... right next to Comfort's Frozen Banana Stand.

[@RozzieBass]

There's always money in the banana stand.

[@RozzieBass]

;)

[@EdwardHowton]

I don't know about you but I'm personally looking forward to the day where that rotting pile of garbage is condemned because it's at risk of collapsing. Also the boat-shaped stupidity warehouse, too.

[@RozzieBass]

@Kevin McDougall haha, Ken does love the fudge!

[@petersage5157]

If Carolus Linnaeus heard about YEC and baraminology he'd probably put his head through a wall at the creationists' lack of understanding.

[@dagonpoint]

I love Aaron Ra's special brand of no-nonsense savagery. He's a great guest. Fantastic video. Thank you!

[@CaptFoster5]

A good t-shirt perhaps --> "Whenever someone mentions AiG, I go watch a Paulogia KZbin video!"

[@elcarpe9186]

If it's so remarkably complex... then how come they only throw out 'god did it' as the answer? that is so insufficient as an explanation it's comical.

[@diedertspijkerboer]

One simple reason why apologetics is nonsense : there is no scientific field of apologetics. The reason for that is that, in science, the evidence determines how we view reality, whereas in apologetics, evidence is manipulated to fit with a certain view of reality.

[@dozog]

Yet you can get a PhD in apologetics. You obviously don't need to make a new point or prove an old point for that.

[@trybunt]

In other words- Science adjusts its views based on what's observed Faith is the denial of observation so that belief can be preserved.

[@BlackEpyon]

Myself, I can't take seriously any "discipline" which includes the word "apologize." What are you apologizing for, exactly? For the bullshit?

[@ΘάνατοςΧορτοφάγος]

"Answers" in genesis.... I think they spelled "confusion" wrong 🤦

[@bdf2718]

I think they spelled "genitals" wrong.

[@Jabbatic]

@@bdf2718 'Confused genitals'? Sounds unpleasant, if not painful!

[@ArtieThomas]

With a networth of $55 million denial and lying has been very profitable for Ken Ham.

[@wishusknight3009]

I did answer Aron's challenge. My answer was "Looks good to me".

[@bdf2718]

Aron Ra *and* Paulogia together. Exciting! Thrilling! Ecstasy! No wonder I read the title as "Organizing Orgasms."

[@jhill4874]

Projecshun! Projection. da da da da da da da da da Projection.

[@kaigreen5641]

Even when I was 5 "What came first the chicken or the egg?" Felt like a stupid question, obviously the egg came first since Chickens evolved from an earlier species.

[@DamnedSilly]

It's such obvious pandering. AiG obviously regards it's audience with enough contempt to assume the actual explanations for even simple things are beyond their comprehension and therefore must be articles of faith. Facts are not choices.

[@AFlyingCoconut]

PaulogiRa :D

[@ElPaco69x]

You can tell Aaron Ra has vast knowledge on the subject while AiG tries to change the information and rely on magazines/news articles, which have over simplified or misrepresented the actual scientific reports. Instead of looking into the scientific journals to make a strawman they can tear apart. I like hearing Aaron Ra speak about what he knows.

[@BlackEpyon]

I just love the fact that this man who looks like he ought to belong in a biker gang, can (and HAS) talk shop with actual scientists and not have it be a one-sided conversation.

[@budd2nd]

It’s interesting to me that science doesn’t need any form of apologetics, scientific facts stand and fall on their own merit and proofs. As a British British person I find the word "apologetics" it’s self slightly embarrassing, like they know that they ought to be apologising for their own wilful ignorance.

[@autobotstarscream765]

Nice pfp, who are those two?

[@budd2nd]

@@autobotstarscream765 Do you mean the 2 guys in cartoon form on the video? If so the guy with long hair is Aron Ra and the other is the Paulogia, it's his channel.

[@whatabouttheearth]

"Abracadabra, I create what I speak" 😄 😄 😄 😄 😄

[@AynRKey]

The reason they can get away with saying that biologists do not like Linnean Taxonomy is because biology has outgrown it. It is now insufficient.

[@fnln3011]

Yeah the fact they think science advancing it's understanding is somehow damning only condemns creationism

[@middle_management7582]

I was just thinking about Aron's Systematic classification series and then this pops up. Good timing.

[@grumblesa10]

Gregor Mendel was a monk BTW. But, since he was an Augustinian and an Abbot; not to mention Darwin was fairly religious (though he later became an agnostic) AND the Catholic church has said, officially, that evolution is not inconsistent with God: and these are evangelical Protestants...

[@wishusknight3009]

OK ARON... I will answer your phylogeny challenge. . . . . . . Its all correct.. There.. whats my prize?

[@jeffnarum1373]

If you can plug "god" into science, why can't you plug "god" into math. Problem solved.

[@ericbilodeau3897]

What is beraminology? Or pheraminology? I'm not sure how to spell it (or how it was even being pronounced) lol since I've never heard of it before

[@anikmonette2140]

That bit about how it's wrong that science keeps changing is maddening. Her equipment she uses to record her bullshit changes every decade(or every few years) yet I don't see her complaining about it. I swear, if we all listened to these people we wouldn't even possess electricity! Or worse, we would still wear 1970 clothes(clothing is technology and science as well)😒

[@bektastic2386]

My brain refused to read the title of this one correctly...Took several attempts and thinking "that can't be right".... 🙂

[@thomasruwart1722]

The primordial soup was an alphabet soup with only four letters: C, T, G, and A.😈😁 Ok, ok, now I will shut up, no more puns

[@BlackEpyon]

Probably had more, I imagine. That's just what stuck around.

[@thomasruwart1722]

I wonder how many letter were in the Protomolecule soup?😈

[@ArtieThomas]

This is one of the most insightful critiques of the ideology of Creationism I have seen. Thank you, Aron. Thank you, Paul.

[@Fanny-Fanny]

I love to see all of your shows and I watch AronRa any time I can, too. I think this is one of the most enjoyable, entertaining, funny and awesome things I've seen in a long time - you have surpassed yourselves. Best 30+ minutes I've spent all week.

[@QMulative]

If someone you're talking to insists that they cannot be lying when they say "I know for a fact", they're not someone worth talking to, and those that they ARE talking to are likely manipulating them.

[@zemorph42]

If they're not lying, but what they're saying is wrong, then they're deceived or deluded. I've been there. I learned the hard way that false "knowledge" _feels_ just like the real thing. I had to learn that what I "knew" was wrong before I figured it out. The folks at AIG and their target audience don't know how to tell the difference.

[@QMulative]

@@zemorph42 I used to know a guy, a theist, who, when we would discuss various topics, would stop me to ask "Okay, you know that, but do you know it for a fact?" And I'd reply, "What do you mean, do you want me to say 'I know for a fact and the thing I just said?" and it was so strange to me that that's exactly what he wanted! Like his god would stop me from finishing my sentence if I prefaced "I know for a fact" with whatever I was going to say next, if what I was going to say wasn't true.

[@RobBates]

As a Computer Scientist, I fear you are painting yourself into a corner by overstating the unbiased infallibility of computers. Programs do have biases, sometimes intentional, sometimes unintentional, because they are programmed by humans. A quick example, Google's Machine Learning was trained to classify images, but its training set was provided by humans who labeled them by hand. Pictures of humans in the training set were almost entirely white, leading to other races being misclassified as non-human. So yes, a program is going to apply the same algorithm unwaveringly to the problem, which reduces a great deal of bias... but it doesn't eliminate bias as the algorithms used may themselves be biased. While I do not believe there is a severe flaw or bias in genomic categorization, I think the phrasing of your argument puts you on weaker ground.

[@BlackEpyon]

That's why I don't fear a robot uprising. Because humans program them.

[@grip4us]

Popular press articles on science topics are a fine starting point, but by nature are so superficial as to be almost useless in gaining understanding of the topic. Also don’t get me started on how by their nature they need to sensationalize

[@HarryNicNicholas]

it seems to me kens team are quite aware of the fraud they are undertaking, just from the tone and their body language, they're acting like they're squirming, between the three of them they must have conflicting points of view, seeing as their points of view are just invented.

[@FaustCrowley]

I love AronRa's passion about biology as seen in this video.

[@kenbee1957]

"The guy in blue.....that gets bored when he hears reality....." 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@HinduResponse]

Just asking, does bible allows a Christians to change Jesus teachings and his appearance cause In India, Christians potray Jesus as a Hindu God in order to convert people such as Jesus Vedas , Jesus Geetha , Jesus temple 🤔🤔.

[@Julian0101]

Technically no, but then again each christian sect presume his own version is the correct one, and every one else is just wrong.

[@Call_Me_Emo1]

Usually when I'm trying to get a Creationist to distinguish *"Kinds"* from each other, I'd start off by showing them what they already accept [1,2], and then ask them based on what they already accept, how do they go about distinguishing what is related from what is not l... and usually with large groups of morphologically similar organisms like Crustaceans or Ferns [3,4,5]. However in true Creationist's style you'll never get them to answer. *References:* 1) *Plant Baraminology (Kinds) and Grafting Compatibility; Call Me Emo, 2020:* m.imgur.com/a/sqRLoPq 2) *Creationists Plant Kinds:* imgur.com/a/uFtRD7W 3) *Order Zingiberales; Call Me Emo, 2020:* imgur.com/a/rFs2tSu 4) *Class Polypodiopsida (Ferns); Call Me Emo, 2020:* m.imgur.com/a/6u7XM62 5) *Subphylum Crustacea (Crustaceans); Call Me Emo, 2020:* m.imgur.com/a/WYq9JPn

[@autobotstarscream765]

Since it's not a current scientific term and is thus up to interpretation, I calculate each person's personal working definition of "kind" with the question "are humans apes?" If "no": their working definition of a "kind" is a Genus, since human species such as homo sapiens, neanderthals, and Aron's hypothetical space colonists are in the homo genus which is separate from what we tend to think of as apes and thus distinct as per the Creationist worldview. If "yes", then a "kind" to them is a Family or higher since humans are classified within the Great Ape family, the hominids, being not evolved _from_ the current Great Apes directly as Evolution is depicted (and usually strawmanned) by YECs, but rather _being_ Great Apes that evolved from the Primate Order ancestors alongside all other Great Apes.

[@hawt_fiya]

I could listen to Aron pwn creationists from sun up to sun down.

[@Soothsayer_13]

I clicked on this so fast. Love when you get together with aron.

[@billglenn10]

Hey! It's my Dachshund, Rodger, at 7:28...

[@neilhale4529]

I deal with the ignorant all the time. They call themselves Trumpists.

[@christopher7725]

I love that they think that if it makes sense to a child, then it must be 100% correct.

[@veridicusmaximus6010]

I love the whole nonsense of only life comes from life. Without defining life this is just babbling! And when pressed the only scientific observable response can be biological life. So how then do you believe that life comes from non-biological life (super natural life a non-material being). If creationists would spend two minutes actual thinking they might not look so stupid! If biological life can come from non-biological life why do you arbitrarily think that it can't come from a-bio-genesis matter/energy but can come from non-material invisible beings. There is no justification for such idiotic thinking! And since A-bio-genesis is the only option you can only have 3 concepts to work with (one being a subset of the other): 1) Matter/energy is eternal and has all the properties necessary for life to come into existence, 2a) Something that is non matter/energy is eternal that has all the necessary properties to bring life into existence, and 2b) Something that is non matter/energy is eternal that has all the properties to bring matter/energy into existence which has all the properties to bring life into existence. It's a-bio-genesis all the way down folks. And if it is not a-bio-genesis then the only way in which the proposition "life comes only from life" can be true is if biological life itself was eternal.

[@BluePhoenix_]

Creationists can't use any working definition of life, since evolving is part of the scientific definition.

[@mikefochtman7164]

Unrelated question (sorry, my mind sometimes wanders). How does your cartoon character simulate random blinking of the eyes? Is there some sort of algorithm or just choosing random time intervals? I'm reminded of an episode of Star Trek The Next Generation where Data unmasks another android by observing a specific pattern in eye blinking. lol

[@Джонатан-р8д]

I would also like to know this 🙂

[@InterestsMayVary2234]

Every time I hear Aron speak, i want to go out buy biology books and just binge read. He is incredibly interesting. Thanks, guys!

[@cjdennis149]

19:51 "If I could count the number of times they change evolutionary trees, I would be a millionaire." Really? Who pays people just to count things? This sounds like a cool deal! Where can I sign up?

[@Джонатан-р8д]

Idk that one sounds made up to me.. Ya know, like religion. 🤗

[@ericsbuds]

I totally agree Aron. I don't use the word 'believe' when discussing things like this either. epic collab!! thanks guys. love all your videos!

[@nathanjasper512]

Hope you get a bunch of subs from the Sciman Dan appearance.

[@HiveSci]

Ra rage rant at about 13:00 💛🖤💛🖤

[@kca_randy]

The Paulogia laugh track was a nice addition

[@LucreDenouncer]

Aron is great!

[@that1weirdkid27]

Oh man, Aron Ra vs Ken Ham. Can't wait to see how angry he gets. [presses 'play']

[@that1weirdkid27]

Ah okay, he's not arguing against the man himself, just his organization's ideas. Still high quality content. Always happy to see Aron Ra

[@fmcevoy1]

Aron doesn't suffer fools gladly. (He always strokes out when people are lying their asses off!)

[@BlackEpyon]

Some atheists are firebrands. Some are bulldogs. Aron is a tank. Once the treads are rolling, there's no stopping him.

[@Lady8D]

YAY!!! Two of my favorite KZbinrs in one video! Thanks for this!

[@LokeyLiesmyth]

It’s always a highlight episode when Aron Ra guests!

[@figga222]

Aron Ra on Ham and AIGs? It isn't my birthday yet ?

[@MarcStjames-rq1dm]

YO!!! You guys ain't distancing... time to be role models!

[@autobotstarscream765]

They're distancing by having their cartoon avatars meet virtually instead of meeting in person. 😇👍

[@Vandalia1998]

Jackson Wheat did a video on #baraminology on my channel

[@d.o.m.494]

Creationists will tell us what a kind is when flat earthers provide their model.

[@soriac2357]

You mean, when they will give *congruent* definitions of "kind" and a flat earth model. They already give them, but they tend to change over time, there is not only a difference of several "models" of flat earth between flattards, but they even change the model themselves just to fit their nonsense, sometimes even in the same paragraph, to whatever it needs to be at the time. Just like creationists and their "kind" do. It's a joker card, the universal placeholder.

[@d.o.m.494]

@@soriac2357 The funniest video is of Ken Ham making fun of flat earth with arguments that could be used against his form of creationism.

[@soriac2357]

@@d.o.m.494 Yeah, but that's common with all conspiracy nutjobs I've encountered (and yes, I count creationism as another conspiracy craziness, both the "arguments" and the mindsets are the same). It all goes the same "hahaha, look at these crazy conspiracy idiots, how ridiculous they are with their sad excuses they call "proof", how can you every buy into something that weird. But NOT MINE!! MINE IS THE ACTUAL TRUE ONE!!!! I have proof!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Every conspiracy is weird except the ones the conspiritard believes in. I call it the "three Jesus experiment". Once, a psychologist put together three people who think they are Jesus. They didn't attack each other, the just sat around. After a while, he talked to each of them and they all said the same: the other guys are ok, but *obviously* crazy and delusional, to think they are Jesus, that's ridiculous, how can the others be Jesus when one himself is the actual Jesus...

[@ryandronsfield6177]

My dyslexic ass got exited to read "organizing orgasms" isnsted of oganisms 🤣🤣🤣 i was like hell yah ken ham talking about orgasms this will be epic 🤣🤣 but was disappointed to find out i miss read as i often do.

[@Paulogia]

That video might get more views

[@ryandronsfield6177]

Still a great video. Ham and AIG is probly my fave. I offten have my breakfast while watching ham and AIG, having ham maple bacon and eggs 😁

[@heteroclitus]

The guy in the middle plays the fool but he is actually playing a crucial role: he sets an example of how his followers should react to scientific facts and knowledge (or knowledge and facts in general that don't align with the bible). He might play it for laughs but the deeper message is "facts are boring".

[@knutthompson7879]

Aron has such a great presentation voice.

[@KeithCooper-Albuquerque]

Paul, this was a great episode! I love all the great things Aron is doing, especially with the phylogeny challenge. You two work very well together!

[@MichaelAndrews-uy1gl]

It's ridiculous to even argue these points...THE BIBLE DOES NOT TEACH THAT THE EARTH IS 6,000 or 10,000 YEARS OLD! It reveals the opposite. The time frame between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2, could be immense...possibly billions of years. There were two floods in the biblical account. The earth was resurfaced when mankind came on the scene, after the first flood of Genesis 1:2. All you have to do is read it.

[@knarf_on_a_bike]

Evolution isn't "their reality". It's just "reality".

[@SinthiaVicious]

You guys are really terrific together. You should collaborate again soon.

[@AndreasEldhSweden]

I did my own research. Lamarckism is WAY MORE than just how giraffes got their long necks! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamarckism

[@richardlewin9282]

You hit the nail on the head, follow the money. The dishonesty is so obvious but YEC are making a Damm good living and no way are going to give that up.

[@bigblue2216]

Great episode. Loved the smack down on the 'BELIEVE' fantasy. Follow Aron as well. Now I'm waiting on the 'science apologetic' for trans and their fantasy or 'BELIEVE' and square that biological male is a female, as science, and not a social construct.