Orico O7000 SSD Review, Testing the Limits of Budget NVMe

[@Skukkix23]

transparency is the best. Thank you. Sure this isnt the max perf drive, but if the price is right I don't see a problem using it. Read speed is probably still satuarating a 10g connection which would be the only thing I need.

[@Sapious1]

I too own a few of these drives in 1TB capacity, they have preformed well for my needs including medium Docker server workloads. Appreciate the review!

[@TooLazyToFail]

One of the takeaways for me is how awesome low-medium-priced storage has gotten! Thanks for the video.

[@markmonroe7330]

Excellent presentation. Thank you. I normally do not use "budget/cheap" drives. That said, the proliferation of NAS units that seem to only offer 1 PCI 4 lane - in other words PCIe 4 x1, have me rethinking "cheap" drives. It makes me a bit sick to spend top dollar for a drive only to have it run at x1 (25%) speeds. As such, I need reviews like this even on "cheap" stuff. Would I use this as a boot drive? No. Would I use this on my main system with data? No. Would I use it on anything other than an x1 slot? Probably not. I would like to see how it performs in an x1 slot compared to the premiums drives. I suspect this drive might perform the same in an x1 slot with no performance difference. Maybe a test like this would make a good video? So again, thank you.

[@igelbofh]

Ram cache on the drive makes a lot of difference, even more on x1 than on x4. And pcie3 is enough, even at x1

[@markmonroe7330]

@@igelbofh The term "enough" is relative, especially when comparing PCIe 3 to 4. If the drive is only running at 25% of its rated bandwidth, it doesn't take much cache or throughput on the drive to keep up with things. I do not think anyone has actually done x1 testing with cheap vs premium drives to know if running them at 25%/x1 levels the performance differences.

[@igelbofh]

@ no, the rated bandwidth of the drive many times exceeds the read and write speed of the flash memory. Then your limiting factor is not your interface, it doesn't matter.

[@jothain]

SSD drives are indeed very different. I got one larger was it WD Green series (iirc), that anyway has virtually no cache and memory writing is slow. Even OS felt bit sluggish when installing software or obviously copying loads of data to it. But it's really good as Jellyfin drive on my Proxmox box or like playing games from it, where writes are small or not frequent. I'd advice anyone to buy better but smaller os/data "hogger" drive and use these as more of an so-to-say static storage where contents doesn't constantly change.

[@ElectronicsWizardry]

Yea I could see this used well as a seed drive for example. A mostly read use case and really smokes a hdd for random reads. I think is snappiness really depends on the person. I have used many cheap ssds in office pcs without complaints or issues when I was doing updates or backups, but if your a user with a otherwise good pc getting the next tier up drive makes a lot of sense.

[@jothain]

@ElectronicsWizardry True. Even experiencing a bit of "lagginess" on as os/data drive, I'd still absolutely select even slow SSD if other alternative was HDD. Having virtually no seek times is indeed a major factor in many uses. Oh and thanks for great review 👍

[@CraigMullins1]

What ya recommend?

[@frankwong9486]

The concern of QLC in storage node is the poor sustain write speed after slc/mlc mode write cache been fill up When have to rebuilt or write a large amount of data once , it might be nightmare

[@ElectronicsWizardry]

Yea rebuilds are gonna be slow, esp on a drive already filled with data. I think a full drive averaged about 20mB/s for a full drive write.

[@ChrisCebelenski]

It's nuanced - I'm going to immediately rule out any kind of 'enterprise' type applications, where this would be unsuitable. For desktops, as a WORM type storage, or at least write-infrequent or non-time-critical writes, then this is going to be much faster but more expensive than an HDD. There, the question becomes price/capacity, and the HDD is going to win that one right away. If you don't need the speed, then you just don't and you should go with the higher capacity but cheaper solution. For example this makes absolutely no sense for things like Plex or even light office tasks, where an HHD (or array of) is just fine. For short bursty writing, I would be fine here, but I could justify looking for a DRAM drive or MLC drive which is going to perform much better for even moderate long writes. For everything else, then go with the higher priced drives. I have some Samsung 870 QVO drives that absolutely fall off the write cliff after 200MB of writing, and makes them only suitable for bulk storage.

[@ElectronicsWizardry]

Yea that's the difficulty of picking a drive. Its easy to point to a drive as being the fastest or cheaper per TB, but often finding a drive that is a good balance of cost and speed is hard.

[@mentalplayground]

Good for games library. Also I have drive of this type as ISO storage for my proxmox. Read speeds are good to install from it.

[@jothain]

@@mentalplayground I agree. In that regard I've sometimes wondered why my Xbox Series X doesn't allow some titles to be installed in an external USB SSD. For sure the operations are way slower in external drives, but still imo speeds should be sufficient for like the vast majority of titles. I suppose it's some requirement for what it's called a "quick resume" feature or something. I've only once seen problems with games on HDD and it was Cyberpunk on my old computer installed on raid0 WD Black drives. Game felt ok initially, but for like driving fast with a car in game got weird behaviour like cars popping up suddenly and other bizarre things. Moved install to really generic SATA SSD and all problems disappeared in an instance. I suppose asset streaming was too much for that configuration. Drives sounded to be very occupied 🙂

[@johnwatson2843]

SLC was the greatest. Then MLC was the budget option. Then TLC. Now QLC. SSDs are just a prime example of the they just dont make em like they used to meme...

[@Mr.Leeroy]

MLC was like $350 for 120gb, that's what used to. And $ @ 2010 used to be greener as well.

[@johnwatson2843]

@@Mr.Leeroy You can still get some enterprise samsung MLCs with >90% condition for about 100 $ / TB. The PBW rating of those will probably outlast me lol

[@Mr.Leeroy]

@ Good luck finding used enterprise Samsung SSDs in EU for example. The best you could do is half beat to death Intel. Anyway that's not sustainable. They do not make lower count cell drives because demand is too high compared to cost and supply availability, not because they increase profit margins. And evaluated correctly, it really appears that 3D TLC is the sweet spot for now and is all you need unless doing write caching or any significant drive writes per day which is an expensive niche enterprise application in its own. QLC is where it becomes really sketchy fast, but still will have a place in order to eliminate huge HDD standby power costs on cold storage, that the only viable reasonable application I see.

[@insu_na]

The only drive that I would switch my boot drive for is an Intel P5800X. I currently have a 1.5TB P4800X as my boot drive and it's great. I'm looking into getting a P5800X at some point, but they're almost unobtainable, even for high prices... And then there's no guarantee I'm receiving a genuine one if I order from China, which is currently the only place where I can find P5800X in stock... I've been thinking about getting a CD8P-R because I absolutely don't need the insane write longevity that the P4800X offers but those are hard to get if you don't have a registered business here :(

[@ElectronicsWizardry]

I want one of those drives to test. Hopefully they get cheapish used. I think the other low latency competitors that were release would be interesting to look at but seem to be fairly rare.

[@Trump-The-GREATEST]

You should test their latest newest beast Orico IG740 NVMe 2.0 Enterprise SSD.with latest technology supreme class components and reliability at speeds up to 7450mbs! 2T for $107 total... 😮

[@YashTheDon]

but mine gives a speed of 7200 mbps read and 6100 mbps write

[@igelbofh]

Any dramless drive is landfill garbage

[@ElectronicsWizardry]

I really should looking more into dram vs dramless ssds. It seems that dramless drives continue to get faster over time, and product tiers that used to have dram and moving to dramless and I want to look into the effects that has on performance.

[@igelbofh]

@ basically once the SLC cache is filled - continuous write speeds worse than a mechanical hard drive. Random write speeds also bad. The drive is basically choking at 30mb/s if that and is causing your entire system to stutter (if you are running windows). The way the dramless manufactured garbage gets away is that reviewed benchmark them when empty. The proper way to benchmark an SSD is at 10% to 15% free space.

[@ElectronicsWizardry]

@igelbofh I will note I have seen dramless drives that do much better in sustained writes than this one in sustained performance. So it’s not just dram or not. There are other aspects that affect performance.

[@igelbofh]

@ yes, dramless SLC/MLC is much better than dramless QLC.

[@toseltreps1101]

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[@Internationalmanofmysteries]

😂. Even when he is a tech wizard? Seriously tho I don't think that most of us care about his appearance. That being said tho this comes from an older guy and maybe younger peeps care about stuff like that. Not sure. Young folks! Should he update his look? 🤔

[@TheRealSwidi]

Who cares. This channel is gold!

[@Andy-fd5fg]

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[@drewbeee86]

Half the reason I trust this guy is because he looks like a tech wizard