Origins of the Jewish People through the Maccabean Revolt (I Survived Jewish History, part I)

A brief historical survey of ancient Jewish history from the earliest times to the Hasmonean rebellion of the 2nd century BCE. Part One of the "I Survived Jewish History" series at Young Israel of Lawrence-Cedarhurst. After an introduction to the tension between the Maximalist and Minimalists schools of historiography and a look at the natural, political and economic geography of ancient Israel, the lecture moves through the first and second Temple periods to the Hellenistic era.
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[@oldschoolsaint]

Gentile Christian here. Ok. You got me hooked! I’ve read the “Old Testament” several times. Your videos have added important context to my understanding of scripture. History and context are key. I’ve basically emptied my library of all books regarding Jewish History and purchased several books on the subject matter. I’ve always respected and admired the Jewish people. While I’ve always known that their mission was a universal one aimed at all of creation, I now know that their story is unparalleled in human history. God is clearly steering the boat my Jewish brothers and sisters occupy. You may find it odd for me to say so but my new found knowledge has strengthened my faith. Shalom brother. Thank you for opening my mind to new knowledge. It’s helped me to better know myself.

[@normanrobinson4624]

Another fantastic lecture and I am very excited to be able to once again help to support your lectures.

[@HenryAbramsonPhD]

Norm! So glad to see you chose to join us! I think you will find the deeper videos there interesting.

[@normanrobinson4624]

The only problem is that the Community option is only available on my iPhone or laptop. I don’t use my laptop anymore, but it’s working fine on my iPhone. Also several people commented that there’s no join button on your original post for them to use to join. I had to go through Wordpress to join up.

[@terrik2949]

Thank you so, so much...I am just continually fascinated with our history and can't get enough of it...beautiful!!

[@joelthorne7434]

Really nice, informative presentations that I just came upon. Thanks for sharing!

[@HenryAbramsonPhD]

Glad you enjoyed it! Here's part two of that series: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hZ2ppXt3Zd6ie6M

[@jonathonkamph]

I am a Jewish Studies undergrad at TKU and I am thoroughly enjoying your videos. Thank you Dr, Abramson!

[@HenryAbramsonPhD]

You are very welcome!

[@chrisvandergriff504]

I'm just a gentile trying to understand my step-grandma. But I also thank you, your videos are very interesting and informative.

[@TheModernHermeticist]

Thanks for the series, starting the whole thing now.

[@johnlansing2902]

Thank you for giving such a living history lesson.

[@HenryAbramsonPhD]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@Didisayhi]

Wow love your videos you are amazing!! What makes you chose one over the other?( Minimalist or maximest)

[@Didisayhi]

I'm refreshing the page to see if you answered allready..

[@HenryAbramsonPhD]

The answer to your question is a little too big for a comment box.

[@Didisayhi]

@@HenryAbramsonPhD thanks for your reply. how can I contact you?

[@18roselover]

Shalom dr abramson. Thank you for presenting all these excellent video series on jewish history . They are very much appreciated . Pay no attention to the detractors

[@HenryAbramsonPhD]

Glad you are finding them useful, Mr. Kleinman! Great to have you as a subscriber.

[@alfafusionPH]

Dr. Henry, I’m a Catholic and a catechist. I teach what Christians call Salvation History. I love your talks! This one is fantastic. Thank you!

[@ArnaGSmith]

What an opening. My dad that all the time ... we're still here!

[@HenryAbramsonPhD]

Yup.

[@briankelly5828]

Hello, Dr Abramson - just a quick comment not on this video (which I haven't watched yet) but to thank you for an earlier video on the state of Jews in medieval Europe and their distinct character as being outside the feudal system, urban dwellers following urban trades rather than farmers, and having a 'special relationship' to the king, as well as their place in the medieval economy as money-lenders. You encapsulated these ideas very clearly, and I have been able to use them in some high school history teaching I did recently in England to students with no background in these issues. So, many thanks for your clear presentation of principles.

[@HenryAbramsonPhD]

Glad you found that video useful! I hope you like this one as well.

[@michaelnathan514]

Thank you Dr Abramson for a very informative lecture series which i have been watching from here in the UK. I have a question on this lecture. You mentioned that there isn’t much archaeological evidence to back up the Torah period. However, aren’t the Tombs of the patriarchs and the tomb of Rachel archaeological evidence? Also, when i attended a bus tour around Cairo, the tour guide pointed to some storage structures, and mentioned these are the storage houses that Joseph commissioned - is that false? Many thanks

[@HectorLopez-km7vh]

I so love his lectures. VERY informative. Have shared many of them.

[@HenryAbramsonPhD]

Glad you like them! Thank you for sharing them and for also being a Public Subscriber!

[@dafnimbus]

A total joy to study with you.

[@HenryAbramsonPhD]

Thank you for your kind feedback! Thank you for being a Public Subscriber!

[@naturalissima5903]

Great lecture! I thank you very much from Cannes, France.

[@HenryAbramsonPhD]

Avec plaisir!

[@joelthorne7434]

Dr. Abramson, I’m interested in Jewish history dating back to ancient times. Given the other civilizations in the orbit of the ancient Israelites/Jews, such as Canaanites, Phoenicians, Egyptians, Moabites, Ammonites, and later the Persians, Greeks, Romans, should I also be studying ancient history?

[@rafaelbatanguera2108]

Hi from Brazil, sepharad present! \o/

[@HenryAbramsonPhD]

Welcome!

[@sosiesosie9162]

I recently found out that they found a reference to Hebrew people in Ethiopian archeological finds dated 800 BCE

[@ibnyahud]

please, can you tell me....I am very interested

[@HenryAbramsonPhD]

Me too!

[@sosiesosie9162]

I know very little: it is in the town of Wukro and they opened a museum in 2015. I dont know if it's kept their or not. Google has some info on Wokro Museum.

[@beng2729]

@leumasdiderot Actually according to the Torah Hebrew version Abraham was a Aramean

[@Dovid2000]

Great lecture, as usual. Looking forward to the others.

[@HenryAbramsonPhD]

Thanks! Me too.

[@yourthought2333]

Good review to start the series😉

[@HenryAbramsonPhD]

Thank you!

[@KaleemHSyed]

Thank you for sharing informative Jewish history.

[@HenryAbramsonPhD]

Glad you found it useful!

[@amc2525]

That Christmas joke reminded me of a story of a yiddishah yingle whos parents took him to the mall to see Santa Clause, as he was sitting on Santa's lap he innocently says:"you know I shouldn't be here I'm Jewish", without missing a beat and with a twinkle in his eye Santa says "Ich Ben oych ah yid, Uber vus kim ah tun, ich darfin de parnash" and gives the kid a box of orange chicken and a fortune cookie.

[@yourthought2333]

Reminder set!😉

[@HenryAbramsonPhD]

Great! Looking forward to viewing this lecture with you.

[@singesinge23]

Thank you very much M. Abramson, very interresting as always. I was wondering, from a scholar point of view, where you stand on the possibility that Hinduism and Judaism could share some pre-bible, pre-vedas roots. Highly speculative of course, and maybe you did already adressed the topic. If you could tell me if its just a waste of time or if there's worthy material on the topic somewhere. Thanks again. (Sephiroth/Chakra;Abraham/Sarah:Brahma/Saraswati;etc)

[@HenryAbramsonPhD]

Thanks for the kind words! I don't know much about your question, but my colleague Professor Nathan Katz has written quite a bit on the topic.

[@singesinge23]

@@HenryAbramsonPhD Nathan Katz, "A Tale of Two Exiles (or, The Dalai Lama and Me)" kzbin.info/www/bejne/gaeopHpvir90nKs Very interesting indeed! Thank you very much for your time and suggestion! Is bibliography is more about modern than antique relationship between Jews and Hindus, but still very worthy of attention.

[@amc2525]

Yes I do admit I am here for your jokes "metoch shelo l'madh bo lishmah"

[@jordanl122]

I know you had a lot of ground to cover, and can't get involved in more complex issues like the 168 year discrepancy between the Seder Olam and Conventional Chronology. Also noticed that you dated Cyrus according to the Conventional Chronology. Was this intended or were you just trying to steer clear of the whole topic? Great Presentation!

[@HenryAbramsonPhD]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@jordanl122]

well, sure I did! It was great, but I was kind of asking a pointed question as well.@@HenryAbramsonPhD

[@sajeshpradhan7498]

Sir, I am happy to listen your lectures. I want to write a thesis can you suggest me a relevant topic which would connect with Christianity. I am interested in background studies. Thank you!

[@P.H.888]

From physical Israel to bring forth Messiah His Resurrection & Spiritual Kingdom

[@amc2525]

@ 1:12 you advised the audience that if they didn't want to be on the internet they should sit in the back. I was bating my breath for you to say:." and if you are partial to the extreme Orthodox persuasion and you don't believe in the internet then obviously you can sit wherever you want"

[@kashf69]

Amazing lecture and very informative....Salam from Pakistan

[@denkling]

I'm sure a minimalist, but this is very interesting

[@HenryAbramsonPhD]

Thanks!

[@sosassteelstrings9623]

23:14 Shouldn't it be called the "Hextateuch" since its six and Septa meaning seven? Anyways great video 20:00ish The letters color should be changed from white to another color to better contrast against the background

[@HenryAbramsonPhD]

Yup, my mistake.

[@sosassteelstrings9623]

I'm having a fangirl moment right now. He actually responded. Love your videos. Never stop

[@HenryAbramsonPhD]

@@sosassteelstrings9623 Laughing! Thanks for the kind words.

[@sim3onbk2]

Other genetic studies you should look at besides Atzmon: "The population genetics of the Jewish people" by Harry Ostrer. "The time and place of European admixture in Ashkenazi Jewish history" by Xue et al. "Genome-Wide Diversity in the Levant Reveals Recent Structuring by Culture" by Haber et al. "Sequencing an Ashkenazi reference panel supports population-targeted personal genomics and illuminates Jewish and European origins" by Carmi et al. "High-resolution inference of genetic relationships among Jewish populations" by Kopelman et al.

[@sim3onbk2]

@leumasdiderot Lol, I love this argument. Jews never claimed to be native Europeans until 19th century assimilationists and even then they always acknowledged their MIDDLE EASTERN ancestry.

[@sim3onbk2]

@leumasdiderot I'm agreeing with 3000 years of unbroken Jewish tradition and dozens of genetic studies that have confirmed it. What's hilarious is that you try to make this ridiculous argument in order to rob Jews of their history. Fun fact, very few Jews still live in Europe so the assimilationist argument has been irrelevant for 3 generations now.

[@sim3onbk2]

@leumasdiderot You're embarrassing yourself.

[@margasa7]

@@sim3onbk2 absolutely!

[@margasa7]

Judaism is not a race.

[@professorhamamoto]

Atzmon, Gil, et al. "Abraham's Children in the Genome Era: Major Jewish Diaspora Populations Comprise Distinct Genetic Clusters with Shared Middle Eastern Ancestry." The American Journal of Human Genetics 86.6 (2010): 850-59.

[@HenryAbramsonPhD]

I'll have to check it out.

[@sim3onbk2]

@leumasdiderot First of all, Abraham was not Sumerian, he was likely from Upper Mesopotamia, not the Persian Gulf. The Israelites and Jews seem to have been primarily of Levantine ancestry, either because they actually originated there or from intermarriage with neighbors. Ashkenazi, Sephardi, Maghrebi, and Syrian Jews all have significant Southern European and North African ancestry, which pulls them slightly toward Europe genetically. They all still fall well within the East Mediterranean genetic pool and very clearly derive around half of their ancestry from the Middle East, mostly the Levant. Ashkenazi Jews specifically are about 10-15% Northern European. The only people today who likely resemble ancient Israelites genetically would be Samaritans. Most modern Jews are very similar to the Jews that lived in the Mediterranean and Middle East 2000 years ago. East Asian, Indian, Ethiopian, and Yemenite Jews do resemble their former neighbors genetically, but all seem to also have some ancient Levantine (Israelites) origins.

[@sim3onbk2]

@leumasdiderot Levantine Christians still resemble ancient Levantines. Muslims have heavily mixed with other Muslim populations over the past 1300 years. Modern Jews are all mixed, but mostly with ancient Greeks/Romans and Mesopotamians. North African Jews are only about 20% North African, the rest is Levantine and East Mediterranean. Almost all of the "European" ancestry in modern Jews is ancient Greco-Roman and has nothing to do with Crusaders or Visigoths. Christians and Muslims from all over the world generally resemble the populations that lived there before Christianity and Islam. Jews never resemble these. All of this information is easily accessible online. Aside from Sicilians and Cypriots, no "European" population has any significant Levantine ancestry.

[@sim3onbk2]

@leumasdiderot I honestly don't know what you're trying to say, but Christians and Muslims are almost all converts because Christianity and Islam are both prosletyzing religions. Aside from regions right next to the Levant (such as Iraq and Greece) Jews NEVER resemble their former neighbors beyond sharing maybe 20-25% of their ancestry with them at the most (usually it's less). Jews were almost always descended from JEWISH migrants, not local converts. Your claims about Ashkenazi Jews are 100% false. This isn't a matter of agreement or disagreement. Almost all Ashkenazi Y-DNA is Middle Eastern, while much of their mtDNA is Southern European. This is NOT a "very small possible trace," it's 50% or more of their ancestry. Any autosomal test shows this very clearly. There were no Jewish missionaries converting large populations like with Islam and Christianity. What you're claiming is a modern fabrication based on assimilationism and other motives that have no historical basis.

[@sim3onbk2]

@leumasdiderot Lol, what? There's nothing racist about claiming that different ethnic groups have different ancestral origins. Jews are an ETHNIC group who originate in the LEVANT. This has nothing to do with superiority and, honestly, resorting to this only demonstrates that you have no argument. People who claim that Jews are just a religious group are people trying to erase Jewish history (usually) for political purposes.

[@rachelcollins8744]

Loving your lectures, they are fantastic, thank you! I am however very confused why you refer to Bnei Yisrael as Jews.

[@sim3onbk2]

I love your videos but you're very much incorrect about Jewish DNA. The vast majority (95%) of modern Jews are closely-related and fall into two distinct but similar groups. One group is Western Jews, which includes all European, North African, and Syrian Jews. The second is Mizrahi Jews, which includes Iraqi, Iranians, Caucasus, Kurdish, and Bukhari Jews. Both groups are around 50% Levantine, with the other 50% being mostly made up of Southern European and North African for Western Jews, and Mesopotamian and Persian for Mizrahi Jews. Overall, these Jews are about as closely-related to each other as Sicilians and North Italians. Jews have extremely clear common origins, and outside of a few fringe communities, were barely mixed with their neighbors. Almost all intermarriage and conversion took place before Christianity and Islam. The main outliers are Yemenite and Ethiopian Jews, who genetically resemble their former neighbors, but certainly have ancient Jewish roots. Other tiny communities, mostly in China and India, are similar in this respect. They are the exceptions, not the rule.

[@sim3onbk2]

@leumasdiderot ​ Again, no evidence that Israelites were Sumerian, and all evidence points to them being of primarily Levantine ancestry. I don't know what "master race" has to do with any of this, and I've already explained why the study referred to in the article you've posted repeatedly does not contradict anything I've claimed. Numerous studies support what I'm saying and zero studies support your narrative. "The population genetics of the Jewish people" by Harry Ostrer. "The time and place of European admixture in Ashkenazi Jewish history" by Xue et al. "Genome-Wide Diversity in the Levant Reveals Recent Structuring by Culture" by Haber et al. "Sequencing an Ashkenazi reference panel supports population-targeted personal genomics and illuminates Jewish and European origins" by Carmi et al. "High-resolution inference of genetic relationships among Jewish populations" by Kopelman et al.

[@sim3onbk2]

@leumasdiderot Sumer was in the southern Iraq near the Persian Gulf. Levant is the East Mediterranean. You need a map.

[@sim3onbk2]

@leumasdiderot I actually find it hilarious that a transparent anti-Semite who would like to literally erase Jewish history is trying to justify their argument by claiming that Jews who acknowledge their actual documented history are agreeing with Nazis.

[@sim3onbk2]

@leumasdiderot Yes, you are a textbook anti-Semite. Except instead of hating us for who we are, people like you try to rob us of our identity. Freud and Einstein both had dark hair and dark eyes, and looked entirely West Asian. It's actually hilarious that someone who lacks basic knowledge of Jewish history, modern genetics, and West Asian geography would accuse of "Christian anti-Semitic claptrap." Mesopotamia is separate from the Levant. Sumer was in Mesopotamia. You seem to be deeply troubled and confused. Please leave us Jews alone, your uninformed opinions on our history are very much unwanted.

[@sim3onbk2]

@leumasdiderot Lol, wow. I can assure you that I am Jewish and I am 100% certain that you need help.

[@zackisback11]

The ten commandments of moses was the best film ever i saw in my life

[@33superali]

Can I use a Christian bible to learn about origins of the Israelites?

[@HenryAbramsonPhD]

The first big chunk is the same as the Jewish scriptures.

[@ebramnaroze1917]

hello, dr. ebramson my name is ebram from Egypt. I heard from dr. zahy hawas that there is no evidence for existence of בני ישראיל in egypt whatshouldi believein? thank you...

[@HenryAbramsonPhD]

I have a few videos on this topic in history; as far as what you believe, that's really up to you.

[@ramoutdoors6415]

Henry Abramson, what tribe are you of?

[@ordsmedensmening9702]

Thank You good Sir for offering this valuable lecture to One. One who’s soulely 1 out of All Ones Beings, formed within ONE. Ur 1 är EN kommen, ur EN är 1Jag1 formad; Så som Alla Du och Jag inklusive Min del av Mig (I((as in My part of Me)) holds it speculatively reasonably probable that You ((as in Your part of ME)) might be familiar with Scandinavian verse?). The value is in respect of the weight the time being Now, being returned to One, offers to any and every Ones shoulders. My offering is Me being the point of and place for the reconciliation of Truth. Me as in my part of One Being Formed is open for a full RAMemory being installed. To hold the true memory of All. Meaning: the I One am is Me and I am ready for judgment day. To be, but also to be the judge. Forming: most holy 360 perspective of understanding the motives of All in All in One Being Formed. Meaning: true light of truth, true sword of judgment by the Love of any, every and All of Ones Beings. One Grown Up for the seeded man to replant outside of the World as we know it. Not artificially planted unless I am the original Ai, if in which: reporting for next step;)

[@fredsimmons2793]

Henry,when did mankind start keeping the Saturday Sabbath as a commandment of God,as the fourth commandment says(Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy).

[@ArnaGSmith]

Struggle th God ... repeatedly Absolutely beautiful.

[@HenryAbramsonPhD]

Thank you.

[@areksliwka6904]

I think you can have a Christmas 🌲 it was a Pagan Custom. Jesus never promoted Christmas tree. It's only a name of it that keeps you away of the idea. I have it and I consider myself as a Pagan. Kids are very happy. Can't wait for the next episode.

[@ArnaGSmith]

How about this: a puzzle with no defined edge like the one I had as a kid. I remember the Pharisee praying in public in the top left area ... and all the other Bible stories. You could pick any one of the stories you wanted to, but the fasted way to complete the puzzle was to start with the figure in the creamy garden in the center and work your way out --- Jesus!

[@HenryAbramsonPhD]

Fascinating!

[@grubbetuchus]

Great lectures, all of them EXCEPT for the schtichloch. Seriously.

[@HenryAbramsonPhD]

Some enjoy the schtick. But the newest series (Jewish History Lab) has less.

[@grubbetuchus]

@@HenryAbramsonPhD wonderful uploads, but ask yourself, in terms of posterity, the wholeness of the presentation holds up? The content is good, it's unique as a series, comprehensive enough. I come across as asking for something dire, but I assure you, no, just more serious.

[@user-bo8nb2mi]

First man Adam placed his hand in stream and thereafter raised watery hand and said in Hebrew, ma? mayim. Centuries later Teutonic man did same as above, remarking, vass? vasser. Centuries later Latin man did same as above remarking, what? water. etc. quoi? aqua.

[@democraticpatriot2657]

Hexateuch is through Joshua. Heptateuch is through Judges.

[@HenryAbramsonPhD]

Yeah, you're right. I edited out my erroneous comments, but the video preserves the mistake onscreen. Oh well.

[@danielfinn9460]

At the 0:35 mark, the speaker states the question: How did the Jewish people manage to survive? (Full disclosure: I'm a Christian.) But I watched this video. Jews, I am listening to you. I watched this video, and I noticed that at no point does the speaker say (or even suggest) that the answer to the question is that the Lord preserved His people. Please think about who you are listening to. You are listening to faithless men.

[@menachemsalomon]

This is the first lecture in a series. The question is thooughly addressed in some of the other lectures.

[@danielfinn9460]

@@menachemsalomon Thanks for the reply. Is there anyplace in the lecture series where the lecturer credits the Lord for preserving His people? Or are they all like this lecture, where a purely human struggle is presented?

[@menachemsalomon]

@@danielfinn9460 In a way, the entire series is dedicated to that topic. But specifically, he's in the habit of referring to the Lord by other epithets, as is customary among Jews: Hashem and HaKadosh Baruch Hu. (There's a comment asking about the latter in the next lecture. It's a traditional Hebrew term.)

[@danielfinn9460]

@@menachemsalomon Thank you. I have heard "Hashem" before, and I know it means "the name." It's a reference to the four letter name which is written YHVH but which Jews read "Adonai" ("the Lord"). I don't know that I'd heard HaKadosh Baruch Hu before. Does that mean "the Holy One of His Covenant?" (Please correct me if I've translated that incorrectly.) And we could add many names besides. The Holy One of Israel describes Himself as the Fortress and strength of His people. He is our Shepherd, our Redeemer and our Deliverer. King David was very clear in giving credit to God for the victories he won. As it says in the song he wrote 2 Samuel 22 (vss. 30-33), "For by You I can run against a troop; By my God I can leap over a wall. As for God, His way is perfect; The word of the LORD is proven; He is a shield to all who trust in Him. For who is God, except the LORD? And who is a rock, except our God? God is my strength and power, And He makes my way perfect." Compared with David's writing, perhaps you can see why I say that faith in the Lord is missing from the words of this lecturer.

[@menachemsalomon]

@@danielfinn9460 _Hakasosh Baruch Hu_ translates as "The Holy One, Blessed is He." It has been in use at least since Talmudic times, and possibly earlier. Kind David was writing odes to G-d, so he uses G-d's name all the time. He was not giving lectures on history. I think Dr. Abramson's model is the Book of Esther, which, without explicitly mentioning G-d's name, is plainly showing how G-d makes his presence known through (what appears to be) the normal course of life.

[@RawPower867]

Re: race. The vast majority of Jews are either Ashkenazi, Sephardi, or Mizrahi, or some combination of the three. And all three of these Jewish groups are Middle Eastern, indigenous to Israel. So wouldn't you say this makes us Middle Easterners, rather than Caucasians (in the common colloquial sense)?

[@mychloebaby1]

You need to dig a little deeper and you'll see where you really come from, it's not Israel.

[@RawPower867]

@@mychloebaby1 *checks DNA test* Nope. It's Israel.

[@RawPower867]

@@mychloebaby1 Muting you now

[@RawPower867]

@@enochcushite496 Go take your Saxony lion shields and Burger King crowns and preach on some street corner, you diseased bigot. I'm not interested in hearing your mental illness.

[@michaelsallee7534]

there are "realists", then there are "fanatics"

[@augustreigns9716]

did it ever occur to anyone that they could just quit their job?

[@HenryAbramsonPhD]

?

[@dewaynebaugh1497]

Whatever so_called religion you are from how you were raised should have come with the most severe warning: what ever kind of human that thinks he all that is in for a very rude awakening you are going to find out that your arms are too short to box with God!!!

[@HenryAbramsonPhD]

"your arms are too short to box"

[@QldTechie]

No Chocolates in the Box

[@HenryAbramsonPhD]

But action figures!

[@mychloebaby1]

The box is full of chocolate, there's just no mention of them.

[@TheLoobis]

2:10 Hmm... I didn't like the sound of that.

[@claytonbenignus4688]

He tells a lot of Jewish Jokes. He gets away with things that would get a Gentile in trouble. This is what happens when Political Correctness gets sacrificed for the Truth. I like it!

[@StephanieSoressi]

That's bunk. Anyone who tells the joke from an in-group point of view is fine -- and you don't have to be more than an ally to do that. You obviously just don't get the difference between teasing someone in a manner that lets them know you know their culture, versus putting someone down & claiming you are just joking, so you whine instead of trying harder to understand. Here's a hint: what you call PC, we used to call good manners, politeness, and respect. Grow up!

[@StephanieSoressi]

And apparently you don't realize one of his jokes was actually about anti-Semite's prejudice, that it is the converts to Christianity that have always been the ones going on about money, but projecting that on those who stayed Jews. But methinks the conversion tax rebate was actually an Islamic thing. The Catholics only offered starving people soup to convert.

[@lajosjuhasz4523]

יד וּבָעִתִּים הָהֵם, רַבִּים יַעַמְדוּ עַל-מֶלֶךְ הַנֶּגֶב; וּבְנֵי פָּרִיצֵי עַמְּךָ, יִנַּשְּׂאוּ לְהַעֲמִיד חָזוֹן--וְנִכְשָׁלוּ.14 And in those times there shall many stand up against the king of the south; also the children of the violent among thy people shall lift themselves up to establish the vision; but they shall stumble. the rebellion of the maccabees, everrything should exactly dow written in the bible. mosses words fullfiled shall the temple to ruin,and the peoples shall ask how did to so angry this Mightie God how this did with them?!

[@marcelleratafia2360]

charlton heston as moses is a good intro for you and your pseudo history

[@HenryAbramsonPhD]

Have a nice day.

[@davidsavage6324]

Maybe 'Israel is wasted; it's seed is no more' means Israel is wasted-- excreted as waste-- we shat them into Canaan-- it's seed is no more [among us]-- we got them out Goshen even though a Para had ceeded Goshen to Yaakov as sovereign territory.

[@HenryAbramsonPhD]

I'm not an expert in hieroglyphics, but I believe the term "wasted" is a translation of something like "destroyed" rather than made into waste. But maybe?

[@davidsavage6324]

@leumasdiderot Br.46:26 (OJPS) : And he sent Yudah before him unto Yoceph, to show the way before him unto Goshen; and they came into the land of Goshen. Rashi says Yaakov sets up a Yeshiva. Br. 47:11 And Yoceph placed his father and his brethren, and gave them a possession in the land of Egypt, in the best of the land, in the land of Ramses, as Para had commanded. Br. 47:27 Thus Israel settled in the country of Egypt, in the region of Goshen; they acquired holdings in it, and were fertile and increased greatly. Plus, in my opinion the embalming of Yaakov and Yoceph seem to be royal phaoronic treatment, so I think Goshen became an independent territory under Yaakov (whether or not he held that title or a more holy equivalent. And the last verse in Bereshit being Yoceph's embalming seems that much more heightened in significance to me. Yes I realize other of royalty/high officials were embalmed in this way in a sarcophogus without being kings, it's just my intuition. Just my reading of the text, which I see could be read that way or not.

[@davidsavage6324]

@leumasdiderot Ufaratsa-Aliyah. (Ufaratsa makes even yerida sacred) And that commandment would apply until after the Exodus. And I've always interpreted that one nonliterally as 'You shall not dwell in oppression/constriction/mitsrayim'- like not leaving Germany if able after Kristallnacht.

[@davidsavage6324]

Yes but the 'emptied out Egypt' still convinces me they had some degree of legal rights to the land from the phaoronic granting; why did the Egyptians empty themselves out of everything we would need for the Mishkan. I thinking the Egyptians were paying the Israelites to quit their claims to the land. If it was a normal expulsion why did Egypt get emptied? And where did the mixed multitude of converts four times the number of Israelites supposedly come from if not from the native Goshenites coming under Yaakov's dominion and converting or becoming ger toshav? I'm not saying my views are convincing I'm just expressing them.

[@davidsavage6324]

@leumasdiderot even interpreting it literally one could say that it's implicitly concerns a king ruling there. Or one could say the meaning of text is do not return (as a whole nation) to settle there (not applying to individuals). Or one could say the problem loving there is while idolatry reigns or while a pharaoh reigns. And so ufaratsa applies the whole world except Egypt even if land no longer has Avodah Zara or Para? Two jews, 3 opinions, ha ha.

[@RobertMOdell]

Is this propaganda ?