Origins of the Lee Enfield Rifle: Lee Metford Updates

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The Lee Metford MkI had scarcely been introduced when it was modified into the MkI* pattern, This was quickly followed by the MkII and MkII*, the Lee Enfield MkI, and Lee Enfield MkI*. In essence, the changes were:
Lee Metford MkI*: Change of sights to traditional barleycorn and V-notch, and removal of the manual safety
Lee Metford MkII: Update to 10-round, double-feed magazine, move sling rearward, modify cleaning rod to clearing rod.
Lee Metford MkII*: Addition of safety lever on cocking piece
Lee Enfield MkI: Change from Metford rifling to Enfield
Lee Enfield MkI*: Clearing rod removed
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@PunchCatcher
@PunchCatcher 3 жыл бұрын
Usually when I see this many late Victorian era British rifles there's a Canadian mountain range in the background. Keep up the good work.
@kenlandrover
@kenlandrover 3 жыл бұрын
You tube gun star references... I like it. Don't forget the uniform kilt
@RaferJeffersonIII
@RaferJeffersonIII Жыл бұрын
You’re a bloodclart
@charlesbaker709
@charlesbaker709 3 жыл бұрын
My Grandpa left me a book. The book of rifles, by W. H. B. and Joseph Smith. In the Great Britain section, Quote, "At this point the reader should be developing some pity for the poor British Ordnance Supply Officer of this period! Many of these weapons which are already conversions of conversions were again converted in 1915!" I've always remember the day Grandpa read that to me!
@PhantomP63
@PhantomP63 3 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of the Italian Vetterli. Sounds like a great book!
@charlesbaker709
@charlesbaker709 3 жыл бұрын
@@PhantomP63 I would recommend for the book for sure. If it was a 1900-1960ish military rifle, it's in the book, listed by country.
@terrywarner8657
@terrywarner8657 3 жыл бұрын
Small Arms of the World was prescribed bedtime reading at my house for me and my brother.
@webtoedman
@webtoedman 3 жыл бұрын
I suspect that the British small arms nomenclature system was actually a counter espionage coup. Foreign intelligence agents and analysts would waste countless hours and limitless resources trying to decode a designation that actually meant: "We changed to a countersunk screw".
@joeblow9657
@joeblow9657 3 жыл бұрын
British Intellecc at it's finest
@batesmotel282
@batesmotel282 3 жыл бұрын
Hey it worked didn'it? Lmaoo
@mac4boys541
@mac4boys541 3 жыл бұрын
Of course the American system was BETTER ah,, The M1 the m1a the M1a1 for every thing from socks to tactical nuclear weapons so the enemy didnt know what was being used on them ,,, oh it must be the M1......... their using today!!!!
@Vanilla0729
@Vanilla0729 3 жыл бұрын
Me: I wonder why they didn't like the Lewes sight? ... Ian: The new sights were also corrected, the range marking were wrong. Me: That would do it.
@nathanrodriguez780
@nathanrodriguez780 3 жыл бұрын
Something about this reminds me of the wedding scene from Goodfellas. “Paulie and his brothers had lots of sons and nephews. And almost all of them were named Peter or Paul. It was unbelievable. There must have been two dozen Peters and Pauls at the wedding. Plus, they were all married to girls named Marie. And they named all their daughters Marie.”
@mpetersen6
@mpetersen6 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe that's why US mafioso have such colorful nicknames.
@vidard9863
@vidard9863 3 жыл бұрын
@@mpetersen6 a very large part of it infact. Though depending on ones roll, it can be very nice to separate working you from home you.
@markasimmons
@markasimmons 3 жыл бұрын
They actually stayed in use right into the First World War. Volunteer battalions raised from August through December 1914 were issued with thousands of Lee-Metfords held in reserve stores for training and home use. Reason : over 1.2m men had come forward, and SMLE Mk IIIs production wouldn't be up to speed with demand until the Mk III* in 1915. All variants of the older Lee-Metfords and the MLE Mk1 ("Long Tom") were referred to by the Army and volunteer recruits as "Long Lees". You see them regularly in contemporary home front photos of the "Pals" and "Kitchener" volunteer battalions ; for example, the honour guard from the 18th Battalion Durham Light Infantry firing a volley over the grave of Theophilus Jones, who was killed during the German naval Bombardment of the Hartlepools on 16th December 1914.
@turbogerbil2935
@turbogerbil2935 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, Long Lees were still in use on the Somme in summer 1916. Anecdotal evidence says that many of the Territorial and Kitchener battalions held onto the long rifles by choice.
@Pranzatelli
@Pranzatelli 3 жыл бұрын
What kind of name is "Theophilius Jones"
@adamsnook9542
@adamsnook9542 3 жыл бұрын
@@Pranzatelli A damn fine one.
@michealdean3750
@michealdean3750 3 жыл бұрын
What I got from the net is it's a good, solid Irish name given to at least four (4) other individuals of historical note, A soldier, sailor ( Royal Navy Officer ), historian, and an MP. Haven't found any cooks, bakers, or candle stick makers...yet.
@markasimmons
@markasimmons 3 жыл бұрын
Theophilus Jones (I originally misspelt his forename with an I) was a school master from West Hartlepool who has the sad distinction of being identified as the "first soldier to be killed on British soil by enemy action" during the First World War. He most probably wasn't, but the story was spread by a local vicar. Theo to his friends, he was a keen county cricketer and choir master. Both his older and younger brothers were also later killed in action during 1917. I bought his prayer book, pierced through the front with a shell fragment which stayed lodged within the pages, at auction back in 2017 on behalf of the public Museum of Hartlepool. www.hartlepool.gov.uk/news/article/1017/jones_brothers_war_collection_coming_home_to_hartlepool Painting behind the Councillor is James Clark's 1915 work "The Bombardment of the Hartlepools", artuk.org/discover/artworks/the-bombardment-of-the-hartlepools-16-december-1914-57030/view_as/grid/search/keyword:hartlepools/page/1
@chanman819
@chanman819 3 жыл бұрын
With that frequency of iteration, the back-porting of new features, and the constant change requests from big clients, these guys would be right at home with modern software development methodologies!
@zstewart
@zstewart 3 жыл бұрын
SMLE always throws me off, because I always try to read it as "short-magazine Lee-Enfield" when it's actually "short, magazine, Lee-Enfield".
@joeharris864
@joeharris864 3 жыл бұрын
Need some one to make an LMLE by putting an AK magazine on it.
@DavidCowie2022
@DavidCowie2022 3 жыл бұрын
Rifles made in the Indian armoury could be Short, Magazine, Ishapore, Lee - Enfield
@cerij4242
@cerij4242 3 жыл бұрын
@@DavidCowie2022 Shortened rifle Magazine fed Lee action Enfield rifling
@shoottheheadcase
@shoottheheadcase 3 жыл бұрын
Is Ian getting ready to write a book on British military rifles? If so might I suggest "Brown Bess to Brown Mess, a history of British small arms.
@Qmeister044
@Qmeister044 3 жыл бұрын
Brown Bess to Green Meanie?
@kentlindal5422
@kentlindal5422 3 жыл бұрын
No, it's about civilian market British rifles called "From Brown Bess to "Oi! You got a loicense for that Brown Bess?""
@exploatores
@exploatores 3 жыл бұрын
Is the SA80 brown. I kind of think Brown Bess to what (a) Mess
@shoottheheadcase
@shoottheheadcase 3 жыл бұрын
@@kentlindal5422 as a British person I find this deeply offensive, we keep our brown Bess's locked away till its poor hunting time.
@funkyneil2000
@funkyneil2000 3 жыл бұрын
@@Strawberry92fs The greater good...
@seanjoseph8637
@seanjoseph8637 3 жыл бұрын
I had the pleasure of firing a Mk IV at RAF Catterick in my Air Training Corps (ATC) days, I was 14 and a short arse, I'd heard all of the "break your shoulder" horror stories, loaded ten rounds and prepared for hospital...it wasn't that bad and I enjoyed it, the only complaint was me having to crawl back up the mat after a couple of rounds...
@seanjoseph8637
@seanjoseph8637 3 жыл бұрын
@@johnanon6938 : D
@martingardener90
@martingardener90 3 жыл бұрын
My Dad was in the ATC and he said the exact same thing!
@FrontSideBus
@FrontSideBus 3 жыл бұрын
These days you'd be lucky to get 10 rounds for the whole squadron...
@skepticalbadger
@skepticalbadger 3 жыл бұрын
A No. 4. Sorry.
@stephenhall1892
@stephenhall1892 3 жыл бұрын
Sean Joseph 10 rounds?? I can’t remember having more than 3 issued , your squadron must have had some really good contacts to be able to let everyone have that amount of ammo to play with.
@parampandya9312
@parampandya9312 3 жыл бұрын
Everyone in M1 grand and m1a1 Thompson be like "my grandfather took this at war " but this is what my grandfather carried and died with
@1Ringsmith
@1Ringsmith 3 жыл бұрын
64 year old Brit ex firearms dealer, worked through thec70's & 80's with Enfields & delghted to be taught something, thank you !
@iancotham
@iancotham 3 жыл бұрын
The first rifle I ever fired, at the age of 18, was a Lee Enfield Mark III that had been recently restored to firing condition. That's how I got into reenacting. I did that for five years, and in that time this channel was referenced to me. I started watching back then, and now everything comes full circle.
@tisFrancesfault
@tisFrancesfault 3 жыл бұрын
Lee Enfield/metford Rifles (including SMLE's) are, to me, the most iconic of rifles. its the rifle of a global empire. A true, global weapon of history. That, and to me they just look good. to me its the quintessential image of the period rifle (mostly the SMLEs).
@mogz1485
@mogz1485 3 жыл бұрын
Very true
@JoeWalker98
@JoeWalker98 3 жыл бұрын
Suppose the next one would be the fal, or ak47, then the AR system. Seriously, every country must have their own version of those designs sonewhere, and most used em for their military's
@jamesslick4790
@jamesslick4790 3 жыл бұрын
@@JoeWalker98 But dude, he said : "Its the rifle of a global empire". All of the guns you listed are far-reaching, and in the case of the AK or the AR, perhaps will be the most enduring. None of those were arms of one TRULY global Empire. (BTW, I'm American, So there's no "home field rooting".)
@IceWolfLoki
@IceWolfLoki 3 жыл бұрын
@@jamesslick4790 America was just as much an Empire as the rest it just preferred not to call itself such. Since the Colonial Rebellion to the 2nd World War the Original 13 Colonies of the USA conquered numerous indigenous nations plus the Kingdom of Hawaii and captured the Philippines and other territories off the Spanish and others.
@jamesslick4790
@jamesslick4790 3 жыл бұрын
@@IceWolfLoki Well, whether or not we agree on what an "empire" is (or was). It doesn't take away the FACT that the British Empire was THE dominant empire of the 18th,19th and 20th centuries. The US is a lousy "empire" by comparison, OK, we got a few islands in the Caribbean and the Pacific, We "gave up" most of "our" conquests. The British had every area of the fucking planet at one point, and quite recently! Hell, Modern FIRST WORLD counties that many people consider "sovereign" (Australia, Canada) are under the British Crown. Name a US equivalent.
@Brawl847
@Brawl847 3 жыл бұрын
This development-history is like the firearm equivalent to writing an essay in Word, only you stopped and hit Save As after every one or two sentences you wrote.
@stephenbond1990
@stephenbond1990 3 жыл бұрын
One change you've missed is the way the dust cover was attached, in the metford mk I/I* its screwed on, from the mk II onwards its retained using itself as it's own spring (and a bit of a pain to shift according to one britishmuzzleloaders video)
@maxkronader5225
@maxkronader5225 3 жыл бұрын
Germans: We love the unnecessarily complex! British: I say, Gerry, have you had a look at our nomenclature system?
@randomidiot8142
@randomidiot8142 3 жыл бұрын
Upon hearing that a German device is complex, a Swiss rolls his eyes.
@turbogerbil2935
@turbogerbil2935 3 жыл бұрын
You missed the change to the dust cover and bolt head between LM Mk1 and LM Mk2. Long Lee Enfields and Lee Metfords were still being built for commercial sale as late as the 1930s. They were especially popular with target shooters. You could order the rifle in any configuration, so you do in fact get things like a charger-loading Long Lee with a Metford barrel - because some target shooters preferred that barrel.
@FolgoreCZ
@FolgoreCZ 3 жыл бұрын
What about the finger grooves in the wood? Some rifles have them, some don't. Is there any relation to the patterns, or not?
@johnkelinske1449
@johnkelinske1449 3 жыл бұрын
No, it is what was in the armory, got sent out to the field, came back, rebuilt, reissued, etc.
@treybo256
@treybo256 3 жыл бұрын
@@johnkelinske1449 LXdKKB 9
@vrisbrianm4720
@vrisbrianm4720 3 жыл бұрын
The finger grooves on the hand guard were omitted when the Lee Metford Mark II was introduced. (likely to reduce cost) Check out @britishmuzzleloaders video on the comparison kzbin.info/www/bejne/eImugJafiNiCbJI
@AsteroidWrangler
@AsteroidWrangler 3 жыл бұрын
As we go through the British rifles of the early 1900s, I'd love a deep dive on the history/design of the P14/M1917 Enfield. And not JUST because I lost a really nice one at a farm auction yesterday, I swear...
@Verbose_Mode
@Verbose_Mode 3 жыл бұрын
Funny hiow the moment I start looking for research on the history of bolt-action rifles Ian starts posting...
@BoofsBopHouse
@BoofsBopHouse 3 жыл бұрын
Remember. You only need mosin. no BOOLET just MOSIN
@blakegebauer76
@blakegebauer76 3 жыл бұрын
@@BoofsBopHouse da, then you have club AND spear
@TheBluealan2000
@TheBluealan2000 3 жыл бұрын
Gun Jesus is watching you! 🤣
@zaffdos
@zaffdos 3 жыл бұрын
Ask and it shall be given to you -Matthew 7:7, disciple if gun jesus
@randomdudewholikemini14s85
@randomdudewholikemini14s85 3 жыл бұрын
Gun Jesus is watching child he hears you . He sees you
@a226sig
@a226sig 3 жыл бұрын
British nomenclature confusing? I've never heard of such a thing!
@chlebowg
@chlebowg 3 жыл бұрын
Ian, thanks for all the information. Managed to bring back a MLE Mk1 from Afghanistan. Lots of strange old stuff over there. Saw a very nice MLE Mk1* dated 1902 and have seen a Mk1* with experimental cartridge guide on it. You did a earlier review of that years ago.
@IndependentNewsMedia
@IndependentNewsMedia 3 жыл бұрын
Nostalgic having fired Lee Enfield No.8 and No.4 Mark III whilst in the Air Cadets.
@Ibangedyourmum69
@Ibangedyourmum69 3 жыл бұрын
Chud what was the difference between the no.8 and no.4?
@robertstallard7836
@robertstallard7836 3 жыл бұрын
@@Ibangedyourmum69 the No 8 was in .22 calibre.
@KB4th
@KB4th 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome vid mate. The timelines to watch are really enjoyable.....
@alan-sk7ky
@alan-sk7ky 3 жыл бұрын
1:26 doorbell, it's the UPS guy with more gats to look over :-)
@spencereiesland6083
@spencereiesland6083 3 жыл бұрын
I check every Sunday morning hoping he put a video out, On this glorious day he has ☺️
@simonjones6128
@simonjones6128 3 жыл бұрын
The bottom gun is identical to a rifle i used to play with as a child my grandmother had one from the first World War also she had a target martini Henry. 22 with a diopter sight
@seanbaker9796
@seanbaker9796 3 жыл бұрын
IAN thank you for these videos. We had a bad hurricane here in Pensacola Florida. Looking at 3 weeks no power. Fuel, food and water are all very hard to get. These videos are keeping me sane. THANK YOU Ps. My gun collection is safe and ammo is dry. I live on 5.5 acres so I've been doing a lot of shooting.
@Miata822
@Miata822 3 жыл бұрын
Great stuff. Bring on the details. Early British magazine rifles in all their variations have always baffled me. Look forward to upcoming vids on the Smelly.
@yomaze2009
@yomaze2009 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the lesson today Professor Ian!
@krmould
@krmould 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Ian for making a clear and understandable video covering this, I have always scratched my head at the Marks and Stars designations. I look forward to the next video on the later Lee-Enfields. Perhaps you could do a video on all of the arsenals around the British Empire that manufactured these rifles.
@josemoreno3334
@josemoreno3334 3 жыл бұрын
. I have learn a lot about firearms watching your videos. Now when I watch war, Westerns and crime movies from the past , I basically know what the firearms are and sometimes there using the wrong firearms that were not made at that point of time in history or they got it right. Thanks for the education Ian. I own a .303 Lee-Enfield No.1 Mk III made in 1917 in Australia. It's in good shape and kick's like an Arizona Mule. I live in Buckeye. Thanks again.
@michelguevara151
@michelguevara151 3 жыл бұрын
another oustanding presentation, Ian
@roncormier9091
@roncormier9091 2 жыл бұрын
Another great video Ian, though I notice you overlooked the changes in how the dust covers attach through the various model changes :)
@markustreml
@markustreml 3 жыл бұрын
Great Video! Really appreciate your channel, man! 👍
@andrewradford736
@andrewradford736 3 жыл бұрын
This is the video I've been waiting for all my life but just didn't know it yet. When I was 10 my grandfather passed away and left me an old rifle. The story was that it was brought home from the Boer war by my great grandfather and had presumably been used against pests etc around the farm for a while . By the time it got to me it was missing a magazine and all gunked up with the parts hardly moving. As a kid I thought it would be fun to one day clean it up and get it working but I moved to the US and it got left behind and my parents got rid of it at some point. So that's a shame but I never actually knew what kind of rifle it was. Since it had 1901 on the butt plate I know figure it was a Lee Enfield Mark 1* that you showed on the video. It was great to hear a bit of history and see what these rifles look like when they are cleaned up and in working order, thanks!
@TheColonelSponsz
@TheColonelSponsz 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, that's really useful. My local South Affrican War Memorial has a stature of soldier on it holding a Long Lee - I've previously identified it has a cocking piece safety but now I need to go back and look at the nose cap to see if it has a clearing rod so I can further narrow down the model of rifle he's holding.
@jonminer9891
@jonminer9891 3 жыл бұрын
Hi, Ian. These old beauties had a lot of grace. Long barrels and flowing woodworks. They are similar to what I consider a sporting rifle. Probably not so maneuverable in the wood when after a deer as a Sportster, but the range is important even in a Sportster. The long radius of the sights probably made accuracy easier to obtain. Thanks for sharing! Stay healthy!
@JoeWalker98
@JoeWalker98 3 жыл бұрын
Its why so many of them were bubbad into sporters.
@trogdo
@trogdo 3 жыл бұрын
You’ve been on fire recently! Great videos
@Gordonseries385
@Gordonseries385 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing that Ian
@tadget0566
@tadget0566 2 жыл бұрын
So much development in such a short space of time amazing
@pistolero486
@pistolero486 3 жыл бұрын
Very well explained Ian!
@johnkelinske1449
@johnkelinske1449 3 жыл бұрын
Took the Long Lee out to the range today and put a few rounds through it. Shot quite well for a 124 year old rifle, when I am that age I hope I can do as well!
@thejack0924
@thejack0924 3 жыл бұрын
watching this while sizing .303 British brass. Very fitting.
@stevechandler4257
@stevechandler4257 3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant as usual Ian thanks 🙂🇬🇧
@Camdouin
@Camdouin Жыл бұрын
The MK1* 1897 is one of my rifles I could not really understand the history behind because of the many different theories behind all of these markings. Now I do have the real story behind it, thanks for all the helpful information.
@bofoenss8393
@bofoenss8393 3 жыл бұрын
Great video as always. The previous models and iterations were continually upgraded, but were any Lee Metfords upgraded to Lee Enfield standard with new rifling, or was that a clean sheet that was started?
@JustanOlGuy
@JustanOlGuy 3 жыл бұрын
My brain hurts...
@rautavaara9194
@rautavaara9194 3 жыл бұрын
The correct way to pronounce the name Lewes is "bouquet".
@jwnagy
@jwnagy 3 жыл бұрын
Bucket
@herknorth8691
@herknorth8691 3 жыл бұрын
You're a very silly man and I'm not going to interview you.
@spencerhicks3927
@spencerhicks3927 3 жыл бұрын
The Bucket residence, the lady of the house speaking...😂
@DiggingForFacts
@DiggingForFacts 3 жыл бұрын
"Oh Richard! There's another on of those nasty animals nibbling at my petunias. Get the Louis out would you?" "It's a Lee-Metford, dear." "Oh hush now and get me the Louis."
@Romin.777
@Romin.777 3 жыл бұрын
Hahaha :))
@davidecampi2330
@davidecampi2330 3 жыл бұрын
I have a Lee Enfield Con.D IV of the Imperial Camel Corps, it was a Lee Metford Mk II of the 1893 converted in a Lee Enfield Mk III no 1 in 1909. A great rifle that gives satisfactions at the range
@AppalachianTemplar
@AppalachianTemplar 3 жыл бұрын
I thought we weren't getting Sunday videos anymore. I hope this means Ian has a lot more content
@mgvallieres
@mgvallieres 3 жыл бұрын
I recently got a Lee-Enfield Mk I Carbine from 1898 (labeled L.E.C I). Although the Mk I(star) Carbine was shortly mentioned at the end, I wish some details would have been given about the differences between the LE I and the LEC I.
@mahashma449
@mahashma449 3 жыл бұрын
Unconverted LEC I's are themselves pretty scarce; many were converted to NZ or the more widely known Royal Irish Constabulary carbines... in other words Ian could do an entire video just on the different Carbine variants!
@MatthewKinneyDev
@MatthewKinneyDev 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing!! I wish I could get my hand on a L.E 1
@BlackCoinCrypto
@BlackCoinCrypto 3 жыл бұрын
The bolt cover securing charge is another. We move from screws to clips.
@johnkelinske1449
@johnkelinske1449 3 жыл бұрын
I have one of the Long Lee Enfield Mk I rifles, made in 1896 and converted to charger loading by Vickers and Son, Maxim in 1909. Matching numbers except the bolt and I assume this happened at the time the conversion was done. Reference I have read states the cleaning rod was discarded during the conversion , but this rifle still has the original rod, so I guess they weren't completely consistant on that. Nice sharp, shiny bore- a neat old rifle. Has opposed double "broad arrow" markings on the receiver and buttstock which I think means it was sold out of service at some point.
@johnkelinske1449
@johnkelinske1449 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe a "clearing rod" I have to pull it out and look at it. Has the correct original type sling on it also. The front sight protector is there as well. Serial # 6084. It is a clearing rod. Took it to the range and shot it today, shoots real well, better than I can hold it.
@jamesbodnarchuk3322
@jamesbodnarchuk3322 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting Ian. Our family had a Lee Enfield mark 4 under my uncles bed at our family cabin # dad & Uncle Ww2 vets Europe❤🇨🇦
@DeNihility
@DeNihility 3 жыл бұрын
It's mindblowing that these rifles are so old. When they were made, Queen Victoria was still ruling, the British ruled a large chunk of the globe and wars were fought completely differently than they are now. Everyone back then is gone, but these pieces of history are still here.
@PizzaPony
@PizzaPony 3 жыл бұрын
When they made the range increments for the volley sights, was that done with just math, or did they find a way to field test that?
@jacktheripper4908
@jacktheripper4908 3 жыл бұрын
Hey there Ian! Huge fan from Canada here (name is Mike), I have a great question for you! Question: In 1939 is it true that the German army still used the Gewehr 98 largely with infantry? I heard a rumor that the German army did not have the Kar 98k in larger numbers until the 40's, and with production replacing the outdated rifles, I would imagine it stayed in service throughout the war. But I could be horribly wrong, thanks for reading this if you do, love your videos and this one was another great learning piece!
@jwnagy
@jwnagy 3 жыл бұрын
I have an SMLE made in 1908. I deer hunt with it every year. Great shooting rifle, even after 112 years. 😁
@anulfadventures
@anulfadventures 3 жыл бұрын
There is a story that goes with the 2nd Battalion Canadian Mounted Rifles at the time of the second Boer or South African war. While the 1st Batt. was based around a core of Royal Canadian Dragoons, the 2nd Bat was built around a core of North West Mounted Police. When the 2nd Bat sailed for Cape Town in 1900 some of the Lee Enfield Mk. 1 rifles that had come from the NWMP stores were found to be fitted with Lee Metford sights. They had to be refitted either on the voyage or once they arrived I can't remember. Having watched this video, I wonder if these Mountie rifles were actually Lee Metfords that had been rebarreled with Enfield barrels but not had the sights changed. Curious.
@DomRivers67
@DomRivers67 3 жыл бұрын
A tapered post and a barleycorn or perlkorn are quite different front sights Ian ....it's only the last 25 years that the terms, especially in the US have become interchangeable. The barleycorn IS a tapered post...though sometimes a straight post....with a groove milled into it on each side giving a sight picture appearing like a floating bead....or piece of corn....that is set into...as a sight picture, normally a rear V notch
@robertwalker7454
@robertwalker7454 Жыл бұрын
I truly do want a Lee Enfield, And I know that they're hard to come by and expensive
@gunnarhassing5875
@gunnarhassing5875 3 жыл бұрын
A Sunday upload? I’ll take it!
@willbbwluvr
@willbbwluvr 3 жыл бұрын
I have a LE MK1*, that has been modified to CLLE standard, beautiful lady, and a dream to fire using hand loads with cast projectiles approximating .303 mk1 loads!
@Ratrazor
@Ratrazor 3 жыл бұрын
I never realized they had detachable magazines and then they updated them to stripper clips that still kind of a cool idea.
@DarthWillSmith
@DarthWillSmith 3 жыл бұрын
0:46 I think that applies to the totality for firearms terminology. After hundreds of hours watching this channel's content, I no longer feel confident that i can even define the word "gun".
@johnkelinske1449
@johnkelinske1449 3 жыл бұрын
Aristotle once observed: "The more I learn, the less I know". I can attest this is true; I have now learned so much about so many things in my life that I now know practically nothing about a damn thing anymore.
@mtbelly1972
@mtbelly1972 3 жыл бұрын
i use to go shooting here in the UK and I have shot a few Lee Enfields. use to enjoy shooting them. beautiful rifles.
@philbosworth3789
@philbosworth3789 3 жыл бұрын
A good and interesting video. To say UK military nomenclature is complex seems a little strange from an American where if it isn't an M1 its something similar. Keep up the good work.
@KenworthW900HG
@KenworthW900HG 3 жыл бұрын
'Have you seen the new M4?' 'Narrow it down a bit mate, are we talking carbines, tanks, helmets, flares, helicopters, rockets, etc?'
@AndrewAMartin
@AndrewAMartin 3 жыл бұрын
@@KenworthW900HG We've made progress from WW2 -- then everything was an M-1: rifle, carbine, submachine gun, helmet...
@ditzydoo4378
@ditzydoo4378 3 жыл бұрын
Ian, have you done any co-lab's with thebritishmuzzleloader on the Lee Metford/Enfield???
@borismedovar9968
@borismedovar9968 3 жыл бұрын
Liked before watching.
@guywiththebottle
@guywiththebottle 3 жыл бұрын
I feel like I have a better understanding of the differences between the factory and the pattern nomenclature. I am still fussy on the relationship between the Metford and the Enfield patterns. Was the Metford pattern converted into the Enfield pattern in the end or were Metford and Enfield rifles in service at the same time and converted to later Metford and Enfield patterns that were more or less interchangeable? For complex explanations like the ones in this video, I think you could benefit from using visual illustrations such as a timeline as a supplement to showcasing the rifles. It would be a good way to illustrate how the Lee changed over time.
@MasterChiefJLPS
@MasterChiefJLPS 3 жыл бұрын
8:50 did... did the previous owner bite the stock?
@stevegreen8262
@stevegreen8262 3 жыл бұрын
looks like someone was keeping score
@davidbrennan660
@davidbrennan660 3 жыл бұрын
Hand to hand combat maybe?
@MasterChiefJLPS
@MasterChiefJLPS 3 жыл бұрын
@RocketSurgeon just realized how small those markings are, unless he slammed an unborn child in the face I doubt it now.
@elcopowereb8158
@elcopowereb8158 3 жыл бұрын
Nice gun
@TheRobbex
@TheRobbex 3 жыл бұрын
There is a curious link between the contesting pronunciations of 'Lewes' and the longevity of the Lee Metford in World War One. Many volunteers were posted to places they would never have been before; most people up until post 1945 rarely travelled very far from home or for very long. These new recruits often found themselves isolated by language! They could not be easily understood nor understand other recruits. They became very unhappy and as a result of sad letters home recruiting fell off (this was before national conscription). So the government (amazingly for the British state!) had the brainwave of forming entire regiments from a finite location. 'Those that join together will serve together' was the promise, overcoming regional differences. So the Pal's Regiments came into being, doubtless equipped with something like one of these rifles in Ian's collection. They died together too and their names are on memorials right across these islands.
@mrpirate6187
@mrpirate6187 3 жыл бұрын
When I see a Lee Metford I think of Steve1989 eating the 110 year old beef ration.
@coldandaloof7166
@coldandaloof7166 3 жыл бұрын
I remember seeing all the surplus rifles as a kid for $60 in the shotgun news. God to have those days back lol.
@johnkelinske1449
@johnkelinske1449 3 жыл бұрын
First 1903 Springfield I owned was $35 back in the mid 1960s.
@wynandbadenhorst5667
@wynandbadenhorst5667 3 жыл бұрын
This was the weapon of choice in the Anglo Boer war (South Africa 1899-1903), the sad thing is that the Boer knew how to use the rifle better than the British. Some of the khakis (British soldiers) didn't correctly estimate the distance of Boer, so the would either over shoot or under shoot. I use to use my late great grandfather's Lee Enfield to hunt with in the bushveld
@davidbrennan660
@davidbrennan660 3 жыл бұрын
Cleaning rods!
@jackwilliamson1929
@jackwilliamson1929 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Ian why do you think the Inkuzi is not more widely issued ? In lite of all these programs trying to increase hit probability and lethality it would seem the inkuzi solves both those problems.
@LadyAnuB
@LadyAnuB 3 жыл бұрын
Boy Othais, you've changed quite a bit. No hat, your beard, you're not as big a person now.
@kiril451
@kiril451 3 жыл бұрын
Big fan of the clearing rod being half length. What happens if you get a stuck case in combat? Were you supposed to just ask your buddy for his real quick?
@chrisklee6868
@chrisklee6868 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Ian! Could you cover the new assault rifle of the Bundeswehr? I would love to hear your thoughts on it!
@lavitzbass6666
@lavitzbass6666 3 жыл бұрын
looking ford to the mark3 Australian style lee engfield
@CBDLife-gx8sv
@CBDLife-gx8sv Ай бұрын
I have purchased Lee Metford that is de-activated. It is a captured weapon that was shortned by the boers. It is missing the safety, magazine and sights. Never knew they were this rare as i thought it was a enfield at 1st.
@billy.g3597
@billy.g3597 3 жыл бұрын
I can only imagine the tragic incident that must have happened,to make them re-install the safety catches.
@cockedandlocked9765
@cockedandlocked9765 2 жыл бұрын
I have a 1896 mkll☆ made by Sparkbrook. It has seen better days but I still love it for its history and all
@Hansengineering
@Hansengineering 3 жыл бұрын
The Metfords have a hell of a dust cover.
@Olewis1995
@Olewis1995 3 жыл бұрын
So I have a question maybe someone could answer. I have an smle made in ishapore in 1910. It has a 1 crossed out a 2 crossed out then a 3. I can’t remember whether it was the 1 or 2 that had 2 stars after it, but one of them did I think it was the 2. What changes were made during those updates? What did it start as having and changed through til it reached its final destination?
@spacewater7
@spacewater7 3 жыл бұрын
Well shoot diddley boot. Am I gonna be tested on this later?
@RockawayCCW
@RockawayCCW 3 жыл бұрын
What is the 5 volume set behind your left shoulder?
@somersethuscarl2938
@somersethuscarl2938 3 жыл бұрын
It’s no more complicated than the more modern system of mod plate really. Most modern military equipment, not small arms, will have a data plate with a part set aside for modifications, or the mod plate. With numbered spaces (it varies from spaces 1-10, 1-12, 1-20 etc.). Every time it goes back for repair or upgrade it is marked on the data plate. So you can have a item with a NATO Stock Number and then mod 1, mod 2 etc.
@blackgrease
@blackgrease 3 жыл бұрын
Love
@williampgp2800
@williampgp2800 3 жыл бұрын
There was a Squier vidoe called "why the British have the best tanks in the World" that mentioned Ian
@51WCDodge
@51WCDodge 3 жыл бұрын
Oh Goody ! So Ian is going to confuse the hell out of me some more. I have an SMLE .22 rimfire rifle . The only marking is a serial 792, it also has the Metford Mk2* style bolt and saftey. There is a magazine, which is .303 and operable, with magazine cut off but the rifle is now only single shot. Possibly a trials rifle converted in 1907? Most people who have seen it and know what they are talking about agree it was probably a 1903 original manufactuer. Put 100 od drounds through it yeasterday, WE can Shoot again in UK:-) I also have a P14 Winchester build , that has the early style Metford saftey.
@trifidhm
@trifidhm 3 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure Ian's covered the .22 conversions of Enfields before. Honestly I'm to lazy to dig for you, but I do remember seeing a video on it, but I can't remember if it was him for sure.
@51WCDodge
@51WCDodge 3 жыл бұрын
@@trifidhm He has, as I mentioned. Be intresting to see what more comes out. So far I've found no other example to compare it to.
@51WCDodge
@51WCDodge 3 жыл бұрын
@Superdude70 The old Lee action continued up to the 2000's as a cadet rifle in .22. Mine has no markings except serial number and that is very low, which is why it is to me such an intresting oddity. On the plus side , the rounds still go out the end where I want them to.
@51WCDodge
@51WCDodge 3 жыл бұрын
@Superdude70 If you can work the magazine out let me know! They are fun to shoot though.
@51WCDodge
@51WCDodge 3 жыл бұрын
@Superdude70 Definitley. My local dealer, the **** is currently dangling an 1896 Winchester carbine under my nose. 1914 date shipped over for British Miltary use, either RFC or RN. Got to get some overtime! ;-)
@MrTarmonbarry
@MrTarmonbarry 3 жыл бұрын
That sight you mentioned as the Lewes sight should actually be pronounced like the lewis gun , 'lewis ', not lews . You said it was named after the person who inventd it , stargly its the same name as my home town in England . It can be confused with the isle of lewis as they are both pronounced the same
@mattsgrungy
@mattsgrungy 3 жыл бұрын
Speaking as a Brit, I would like to tell you that occurrences of British nomenclature making things more complicated than they need to be are unusual, but that would be a damn lie.
@imagoonie9062
@imagoonie9062 3 жыл бұрын
Ian I have an idea. You should do a video with Matt from demolition ranch
@fredeagle3912
@fredeagle3912 3 жыл бұрын
Enfield used to make motorcycles as well. Their best one was the Royal Enfield Interceptor Mk II, which could go round corners better than a certain American make of motorbike.
@terben7339
@terben7339 3 жыл бұрын
Different entities. Royal Enfield Cycle Co Ltd was a private company set up in 1901. RSAF Enfield was a government owned factory set up in 1816.
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