Orthodox Apologetics Part 6: Distinctions of Lutheranism And Other Early Reformation Movements

[@guyparker1749]

A Lutheran here.God bless..you and yours..

[@LutheranIdentity-uj8yk]

Thank you for an honest presentation of Lutheranism. However, I would like to point out a few things: Traditionally, Lutheranism recognizes three sacraments: baptism, communion and confession. We define a sacrament as something that 1) is instituted by Christ himself 2) something that conveys grace. This is a minimalist definition of the concept of sacrament. One could very well recognize 7, or 13 sacraments - or more - but we choose to be restrained rather than maximalist. The Lutheran reformers always maintained the desire to preserve the structure of the church, but in the choice between abandoning the structure of the church and obeying the Pope and his lies, the reformers in Germany chose the latter. In Scandinavia, however, we were able to maintain the older order, for which we are grateful. We do not reject praying for the dead. What was reject was the Roman system of charging poor people for masses and intercessions, long after the passing of the dead. One or two prayers for the deceased are enough. The dead are in the hands of God after that. We believe that the saints and angels pray for us, but we have no scriptural promises connected to praying to them - so we avoid it. God bless

[@Procopius464]

What type of Lutheran church are you part of? In mine we don't pray for the dead and that's not part of our doctrine.

[@LutheranIdentity-uj8yk]

@@Procopius464 You do it when they pass away don't you? "Good God receive so and so",? This is usally done during the first mass/service after a congregation member has died. To stubbornly refuse to do that whould be weird imo. "'I regard it as no sin to pray with free devotion in this or some similar fashiostubbornly refusen: Dear God, if this soul is in a condition accessible to mercy, be thou gracious to it" Martin Luther ""... we know that the ancients speak of prayer for the dead, which we do not prohibit; but we disapprove of the application ex opere operato of the Lord's Supper on behalf of the dead."" Book of Concord

[@Procopius464]

@@LutheranIdentity-uj8yk Well I haven't witnessed a Lutheran funeral yet, so maybe they do say something like that.

[@TheologyVisualized]

At a Lutheran funeral in Kansas, the graveside service (after the funeral in the sanctuary) definitely included the language of prayers for the dead as the body was place in the ground. LCMS church

[@IvanGonzalez-mp4xh]

Well said Lutheran brother 👍🏻

[@sparky4581]

Thank you for treating Lutheran teaching fairly. Most don't and i want to say thank you.

[@Procopius464]

Lutheran here. I find this to be a mostly fair and reasonable breakdown, and thank you for not conflating us with the low-church rock and roll movements. Most of us respect the orthodox community, although it's clear we have some differences. I think where we could all work together is combating the modernity, as well as the evolution teaching which is causing us all to bleed membership.

[@MosesMedinaE]

A prior Lutheran here. Great video thank you!

[@jterrellielli7058]

@Zachary Sunday yikes. I wouldn’t. I’d go Catholic before Protestant of any kind. They share the same sacramental faith as Orthodoxy. And there’s always a Catholic parish nearby.

[@MosesMedinaE]

@Zachary Sunday I would respond with no, it is best to do the typica. What is best however is to get with your priest if you have one or reach out to one if you do not. If you would like to dive deeper though I would be happy to.

[@robertocaetano4945]

Greetings Lutheran brother, for a another Lutheran brother.

[@bike.brigade]

@@jterrellielli7058The Orthodox church is closer to the Lutheran view of the Eucharist than the RCC.

[@bigniftydude]

​@@bike.brigadeI agree, Lutherans take a face value understanding of the Lord's supper. This IS My Body this IS My Blood

[@squantojones3836]

A very edifying course. Thank you so much for sharing this!

[@DRNewcomb]

Mostly correct but a few mistakes. Lutherans define ‘sacrament” very narrowly, while the Orthodox have a very broad definition of the word. I’ve heard some Orthodox teachers refuse to define any specific number or list of sacraments. Lutherans practice many of the Catholic sacraments, they just don’t use the word “sacrament” to describe them. Lutherans point out that the Episcopacy developed and became standard practice as an outgrowth of the Roman Imperial State Church and that prior to the Church becoming an instrument of the State, Presbytery ordination was not uncommon and is discussed by the Fathers. Lutherans are very much dedicated to good order and discipline in ordination and no one gets to declare himself “ordained”. While Lutherans believe that the Church Triumphant constantly prays for the Church on Earth, it is not clear that the Saints have the power to hear the prayers directed at them.

[@looqo7632]

Orthodox see a sacrement as something that God's grace works through. This why we don't have a set number. We see God being able to work His grace through anything.

[@DRNewcomb]

@@looqo7632 Which is why it’s silly to argue over a number or list; everyone needs to agree to a definition first.

[@jacobhanson4391]

Metropolitan, Marie Antoinette NEVER said let them eat cake. That is FALSE. I have an issue with how your Beatitude said gays have all been abused. That also, IS NOT TRUE.

[@felixcharles9773]

Wow, they’ll let anyone preach over at the Orthodox Churches huh?

[@lornadoone8887]

No. Only an Orthodox Bishop or Priest, Deacon or monastic he appoints typically. This is not a homily/preaching, however. It’s a teaching session in a much less formal setting.