Orthos Raider S4 Benelli M4 Clone Worth It?

[@TacticalConsiderations]

People are gonna have bold opinions I am sure. What do you think ?

[@jayshredds2464]

Absolutely, some won’t get over the fact that it’s a clone/Turknelli and hate on it instantly. For me, if it continues to run well and cycle well then I don’t care what it’s called. As long as it continues to do what’s required of a combat shotgun. At that price point, I will definitely be looking to add it to my collection for sure.

[@PJ_Perry]

Exactly I got I stoeger that's a clone of a Benelli people hate on it but it's never missed a duck , pheasant and it's good enough for me to keep it by my bed ​@@jayshredds2464

[@MrZimeir]

Looks solid. I gotta get 2 of these for my son, and I

[@najibdarwich3925]

I’ve got EG240 and no issues as long as it runs well and reliable. Turkish weapons aren’t expensive and works too. My experience with the TP9 SFX and TP9 elite sc great that what made me decide on buying their panzer EG240 SA and had no problems shooting it, so don’t see why not to buy budget clone that works well

[@joshmajor8662]

Until you put 300-500 rounds through it, DON’T trust it!! Lol I’d love to see that tho.

[@Zach-ov1cd]

Another excellent video. On a different note: thank you for your service. Some of us still honor and recognize you men and women who go above and beyond every time y'all clock in.

[@TacticalConsiderations]

Much appreciated

[@JadedJet]

Gawk gawk gawk

[@pulëeskuqurdheshalqi]

Cool, didn't know he was a fellow service member! RLTW!

[@connormckay9429]

Also the editing in the intro was absolutely heat 🔥

[@TacticalConsiderations]

Appreciate it

[@baileymassey998]

Absolute fire 🔥

[@jeremychavis85]

Bro that intro was🔥

[@TacticalConsiderations]

Thanks

[@DadHominem]

Looks nice, but for that price I'd bump up to a Beretta 1301, or save some $$ and consider the 300 Ultima Patrol. I have two Beretta 1301s, and a friend has 3 Benelli M4s, and either are great choices. I have experience with a number of shotguns, and for a tried and true combat SHTF shotgun that won't let you down, Beretta 1301 or Benelli M4 is it.

[@TacticalConsiderations]

They 1301 is a sweet spot

[@MasChingonhtx]

Your friend got 3 M4s. Damn tell him to let me hold a dollar lmaooo

[@kennethbaker5223]

Cool story. Yeah, and I have 3 Bugatti's.

[@jimf.1318]

Yeah sure, until you start shopping around for upgrades and optics, easy $1200+.

[@dbethea50]

I'm an owner of one and I am 1000% satisfied. I agree with your assessment, although I've had no issues straight out of the box! Thanks for this review.

[@coryjanko]

Solid video production. (I prefer it when gun’tubers do not cuss. Makes it easier to share with others. Thank you.)

[@TacticalConsiderations]

I appreciate that!

[@darrelldunlap7249]

Agreed! It is not that I am offended by the course language. I am not. I am looking to see the validity and professionalism of the content. I often find that profanity replaces experience and professionalism. If they are F-bombing all over the place and have their faces covered, I look elsewhere for information and content.

[@NASTYVEGASNATE]

Man I’m so glad I found your channel. Any guns that I’m interested in, I search it, and you always have a review of it. Much appreciated

[@TacticalConsiderations]

Thanks for watching I try to test a variety of stuff on the channel.

[@TheMajormarcj]

Definitely would choose a 1301 over this.

[@Superbatman93]

Facts

[@mortem-tyrannis]

A 1000 times over yes

[@NickHurley-z7b]

This one is cool.. reliability immediately comes into question.

[@TacticalConsiderations]

that's a solid choice. But you will spend another 1500 ish in options to mirror this build over a stock 1301 .

[@sixteentons810]

Shock absorber...not needed Titanium trigger...not needed Mlok stock....not needed 1301 maxwell extension....cheap Choke system...not needed 1301 with a 509t and mount, vickers sling, surefire scout and a few shell cards Reliable as fk, made by the oldest gun company in the civilized world, buy once cry once. Nuff said

[@nickgibbons9667]

I have one, stripped it down, lubed and ran about 400 rnds. Its been a dream so far. As a side note, compared to a base m4 it has significantly less felt recoil. Just my experience so far.

[@TacticalConsiderations]

Yeah we just ran the new M4 model next to it and it felt way better.

[@jeffslaven]

I look forward to the long-term review, as this looks like it has real promise! Great video!

[@TacticalConsiderations]

You and me both!

[@clutchshot247]

Love to see a 1000 round review on this bad boy, to see reliability...also would love to see a vs video against the 1301, moss 940 pro, a300 and benelli m4... like a score system vid...keep up the great vids man

[@TacticalConsiderations]

Much appreciated if I can make it happen I will .

[@jayshredds2464]

Nice review and a really cool shotgun. Looking forward to seeing a long term review of that awesome looking shotgun. Excellent job reviewing as always.

[@TacticalConsiderations]

Yeah I will do a follow up this year sometime.

[@mudandmunitions]

Great video ! Definitely on my list to get one of these. I held one at a gun show they were at in PA back in Feb solid guns. Great review now want one even more 🤘

[@TacticalConsiderations]

I appreciate you watching.

[@wirey68]

Very nice recoil management (I think you had the upper hand on Austin slightly, haha). Ever since watching Jonathan's video I've been curious about these shotguns. I think I'm going to remain curious a while longer until I see how you guys make out with a higher round count. Outstanding video as always!

[@TacticalConsiderations]

Its pretty even between us the Orthos definitely feels smoother.

[@haywoodjablome44]

I've shot the Derya brand of Turkish shotguns a few times. They are quite reliable but would not be my first choice. This Orthos Arms looks more well put together. Strobe effect in intro was weird. Would not recommend Austin using it again.

[@TacticalConsiderations]

I haven't run those.

[@tomahawkm4687]

Recoil looks the same between the Turkish with optics and Italian bare bones, but after more testing hopefully you'll determine if this is still an option to depend your life on despite the major price difference. Beautiful camo

[@TacticalConsiderations]

We will definitely see

[@joncavallo4391]

Hell Yeah, with a Carlson Longbeard turkey choke, Winchester XR loads, my new turkey dirt nap gun! Plenty dual purpose hunting/home defense options! Nice size also!😊

[@TacticalConsiderations]

Niiiiiiice.

[@mikewinning3282]

Definitely looks way cooler than my M4 ngl.

[@TacticalConsiderations]

That camo is slick

[@Cludden79]

Looks really nice! I love the setup!

[@TacticalConsiderations]

Its a monster.

[@funnyriverred2501]

Looking at this or a Beretta 1301 mod 2... any thoughts on pros and cons? i know the 1301 is about 3lbs lighter which is nice.

[@darrelldunlap7249]

Are you kidding? This thing is NOT in the same class as the 1301 or Benelli m4. It is not the same, it is something else! Something less. Get a 1301 or an m4.

[@forcewest2795]

Sounds good so far. Keep us posted for long term reliability issues.

[@TacticalConsiderations]

Will do. I will do a 1k follow up.

[@afreightdogslife]

Would the buttstock of this shotgun fit the Benelli M-4? Thank you, sir. Btw, good video.

[@lonelylillamb5802]

That intro was so dope

[@TacticalConsiderations]

Thanks. Austin did a great job.

[@Pmedic605]

I'd like to see a 1000 round buckshot & slug review to see how it holds up.

[@TacticalConsiderations]

Well That may happen over time but I have too many projects to do 1k of buck and slug back to back plus that video would be expensive.

[@zanegardner6488]

The Beretta replaced the M4 for my dream combat shotgun

[@TacticalConsiderations]

Solid for sure.

[@miketrainowski8559]

Even though I already have three other shotguns, I have always wanted an M4, but could never justify the price. That being said, I just bought an Orthos a couple days ago. I’ve shot both an M4 and a 1301, and I have to say, the Orthis can give either a run for its money. The felt recoil is not like your standard 12 gauge. It’s more like my 20 gauge, if that. I got the FDE gun (because it was that or ODG), and while I’m not normally an FDE fan, it looks good. It’s not “50 shades of FDE” like you normally see. I ran it with iron sights, but being that it’s going to be my tac shotgun, I’m probably going to throw a red dot on it, and of course a light. The only complaint I have is, unlike my Remington 870, the Orthos only shoots 2.75” and 3” shells and can’t shoot 3.5”, but that is just nitpicking if I’m being honest.

[@TacticalConsiderations]

These have come a long way in the past few years.

[@Sheppard2030]

Interesting offering. Still out of reach for me, but I question if it would be better to splurge for that Benelli for the piece of mind. Thank you for the information!! 👍👍

[@TacticalConsiderations]

Thanks for watching.

[@joshuabracke5775]

I literally saw the one Admin Results featured in his video in my LGS. It's not a bad gun. Not a huge fan of how that foregrip feels, but it's not too bad.

[@TacticalConsiderations]

I get that.

[@MrKingArthurhk]

I would be worried about long term durability. At that PP I would rather get a Beretta Mod 2, and mod over time, knowing it is going to hold up like my my OG Mossberg 590A1, that I have had forever that I heavily modified to include a bayonet on the bayonet lug.

[@TacticalConsiderations]

We are gonna see me for sure.

[@frankcastle9691]

Great review, ty 👍

[@TacticalConsiderations]

Much appreciated.

[@richdubbya]

It's basically a highly refined legal Benelli M4 copy since they kept the serialized parts. Likely for legal reasons. But it sounds like it's just a Turkish shell since it's gutted and replaced with premium parts. Nice to see this when I'm looking at an A300Ultima... This can be an option.

[@TacticalConsiderations]

Pretty much on point ..

[@anonymoussurname]

Just assuming the quality is there and it’s equal to an actual Benelli M4 the problem is it needs to be proven. Price is hyper competitive. So they’re going to have to stay on top of quality control otherwise if even one or two videos come out of bad ones it’s over.

[@TacticalConsiderations]

I get that for sure.

[@baileymassey998]

Intro song is: ride or die yarin primak

[@THCv3]

Mine has not been reliable with no more than 100 rounds fired. Break in period of 50, took it back out 2nd time today and within like 3 tubes it stopped feeding. Did a good clean only after today, time will tell, but not too happy with this thing.

[@TacticalConsiderations]

What ammo? I ran low power stuff and it wasn't supposed to run that but did.

[@playingwithmytrains5440]

For me personally I don't usually go down the clone road but do value your opinion on one. I have never been much on having a shotgun but that recently changed when I got a deal I could not pass up. I got a brand new never shot Benelli M4 for $1200. 5+1 round. Thinking of changing out the tube for a 7+1 and a trigger kit for compliance. I understand how people say they are the ultimate home defense weapon but my question to all those folks is "Shooting a shotgun indoors is going to destroy your hearing and anyone else in your family including the dog". That is my dilemma. I really lean towards something suppressed. Anything to save the hearing. Thoughts?

[@TacticalConsiderations]

I don't do it much either. But after running another one of these I had to try it.

[@resolute123]

Would you do review on Gideon Optics? I'm curious if they are a good value optic, particular the pistol dots.

[@TacticalConsiderations]

I have a couple I just haven't gotten around to them

[@atracin]

I already own a 1301T, and while I do believe that it's the next evolution of semi shotguns, there is still that Benelli M4 itch that Orthos S4 itches. To upgrade a normal M4 to what an S4 is another $1000 or so which for me is too much. I'll be placing an order for an S4, it'll be a nice range toy behind my 1301. Cheers from 🇨🇦

[@TacticalConsiderations]

Great shotgun.

[@Splif128]

The QC is here and there. There’s been tear downs that show that while some aspects have received more attention, obvious stuff like torquing down screws is missed. Overall I’m glad shotguns are getting a long overdue update however speaking in terms of quality the top tier guns are still holding their reign. Value guns have their place but they won’t measure up when the top rail screws are flying off and the hand guard is coming loose during the first few hundred rounds under normal use.

[@TacticalConsiderations]

Thanks for watching and commenting ..

[@richr7215]

I’m really intrigued by the Orthos. I was going to get a Mossberg 940 Pro Tactical this weekend but now I’m not sure.

[@TacticalConsiderations]

I have been pretty impressed with this. I ran it pretty hard and Jonathan has another we ran the crap out of a few days without an issue.

[@Andrew_182]

Personally, I'd go with the known quantity from manufacturers with a long track record of making high quality and reliable firearms in either Mossberg with the 940 or Beretta with the 1301.

[@jasonkubichek6702]

Where can I find that for the $1300ish price? The cheapest I can find it is $1700... Great video by the way!

[@TacticalConsiderations]

The camo version is not 1300. From what I've seen recently since this was filmed a couple months ago most prices have gone to 1500

[@ChrisFromThe740]

Great review

[@TacticalConsiderations]

Thanks.

[@Deathbecomesme3]

Only the receiver, barrel, and bolt are made in Turkey. Oh, so only the parts that actually matter are imported mystery metal. Gotcha!

[@overjoydkilla5445]

I was you 1k like I’m buying one man thanks for the review!

[@TacticalConsiderations]

Much appreciated.

[@connormckay9429]

Ehhh I think the Ultima is just too good for 1k for this to beat it out as the "value" option and anything more you're in 1301 and real m4 territory just puts this one in a tight spot in the market imo. With that being said tho its an interesting concept kinda reminds me of what Alpina does to BMW's

[@TacticalConsiderations]

well you also have to compare option to option. If you buy a base of any of the others and do this to it you will have a 3-4k shotgun.

[@alanblake4923]

I received my raider on the 26th of July and took it out twice. After over 100 rounds of varies loads mine jamed every time except twice. I ended up sending it back to the manufacturer. What a disappointment.

[@darrelldunlap7249]

They are not at all what they have been made to look like.

[@fuzzyreticle]

There isn’t a spec on QD points. Some are larger/smaller than others along with the sling swivels themselves. Magpul are usually undersized I’m my experience compared to blue force and others.

[@TacticalConsiderations]

I get that but this is the first I have had fail .. But I usually run bcm, MI

[@MasChingonhtx]

Great video as usual. The negative comments are people who obviously haven’t done much research on this clone or the M4 at that lol. And one guy said just get the Benelli cause it’s close to the price anyway without considering everything the Orthos comes with including the camo. If you’re a casual just say so 😂 nothing wrong with that but I swear man people just talk out their butt thinking they know better.

[@TacticalConsiderations]

Yeah people sometimes aren't comparing option to option

[@James-x5w9c]

Aww man, that off-center porting would drive my OCD crazy.. And probably drive me away from purchasing it honestly. There's no excuse for that on a $1300 firearm

[@TacticalConsiderations]

That's how I noticed it.

[@peterreily1490]

The S4 can be had for $500 as a base import. The exact same S4. Black aces has the S4.

[@TacticalConsiderations]

Yeah I've run that one it's not great

[@lurtiskoe]

man you makin me want a shotgun my guy. seems like a good deal. hope it keeps up and stays up

[@TacticalConsiderations]

Its a definite fun one for sure.

[@lurtiskoe]

@@TacticalConsiderations moving to a state that has great duck hunting by end of summer. Can't wait. Now I just gotta find me a good bird dog that swims like Michael Phelps

[@MrTimbeatty]

Are there different springs that can be used for bean bags/training rounds?

[@TacticalConsiderations]

Not that I know of.

[@johnsellers9623]

I just picked mine up yesterday and the first thing I did was try the different stock positions and it just will not move or extend at all. I’m gonna have to walk over to the garage and get a rubber mallet and try tapping it. I hope there is something I’m missing because I don’t want to break it before I even put a round in it or through it. If anyone can help me out, thank you. I tried hitting it with my hand and nothing. They don’t even send a manual for breaking it down. And I’m having a hard time getting the information I need off the internet. Pretty frustrating for sure.

[@TacticalConsiderations]

That's odd it should move freely and easily. as long as you are depressing the adjustment leaver.

[@darrelldunlap7249]

See quality control. Seems that some get a good one but you never know! I'm sticking with Benelli and Beretta.

[@najibdarwich3925]

Beautiful toy

[@TacticalConsiderations]

Thank you

[@no_handle_required]

Not a fan of overhyped guns, but for 1400 bucks, I'd spend the extra beans and get the gun this was cloned after.

[@TacticalConsiderations]

Thanks for watching.

[@hedeviltazz4185]

back in the day some of the israeli companies made clones like the kareen hipower 9mm interesting that benelli let them do that

[@TacticalConsiderations]

I never got to run one.

[@davispinner6642]

50 rounds is usually the break in period?

[@TacticalConsiderations]

From the manufacturer that is what they recommended. It can vary from brand to brand.

[@Ultranvirus8937]

What about rifle slugs? Can you put inside of the benelli m4 within rifle slugs?

[@TacticalConsiderations]

Are you asking about the benelli or the orthos.

[@Ultranvirus8937]

Yes I am asking for benelli m4 with rifle slugs

[@saltykrug]

For $1,400 I might as well save up the rest of the money and get a Benelli though. I'm sure it's a fine fire arm but I'm not going that deep in the pocket for a clone.

[@TacticalConsiderations]

To build the same benelli you will have well over 3k into it

[@darrelldunlap7249]

For a fighting shotgun, all you might need is the Benelli m4 LE (model 11715) and maybe a red dot.

[@PJ_Perry]

I have a semi auto stoeger ..it's inertia driven ..it's a knock off Benelli pretty much ..I love mine ..I've heard complaints never had a issue with mine but that's a sample size of one

[@stevem4783]

M3000, knock off of the Benelli M2. I have one as well and same thing, zero issues.

[@TacticalConsiderations]

Sometimes they work out great others times not so much.

[@PJ_Perry]

@@TacticalConsiderations that's what' it is m3000 hahaha I forgot the exact name , but I didn't want to be the only duck hunter with a pump so I bought it , I'm more of a tactical kinda guy so if I got money to spend it ain't on shotguns lol so I found that M3000 an I love mine ..I shot a Benelli in the Marines .my knock off suites my needs just fine for half the cost

[@geoanalytics1983]

I want one just like this thank for making Me fall in love 😅

[@TacticalConsiderations]

Its really clean running.

[@GunsAndCars2014]

Would you buy again? The orthos raider?

[@TacticalConsiderations]

I dig it. I'd have reservations buying it. Although I'd buy the standard one and save a few hundo.

[@GunsAndCars2014]

@TacticalConsiderations just picked up the chocolate chip cerakoted one. Just waiting to get from dealer. It's the 4th so he's on vacation, hoping this scratches my benelli m1014 itch

[@hopewilliams6705]

I really want Cajun shorty shorts... James Reeves to hit one of these with a 500rnd burn down

[@TacticalConsiderations]

Hahahhaa

[@karmaruth-bd7gz]

I can only seem to find 6+1 versions, is that mag tube really 7+1?

[@TacticalConsiderations]

Yup it definitely fits 7

[@karmaruth-bd7gz]

@@TacticalConsiderationsnice, thanks for the reply, mine came in but cant pick it up till tomorrow. Can’t wait!

[@karmaruth-bd7gz]

@@TacticalConsiderations maybe the old versions like yours fit 7, the one I received only fits 6+1 unfortunately

[@RustyKnucks]

I like semi auto shotgun super cool and they work but, just having and running a pump shotgun is way nore fun to me and they work well too some clone stuff is good mixwd bag sometimes..

[@RustyKnucks]

@TacticaIconsideration. You aint the guy in the videos Asshole!!! He dont roll like that he has more integrity than to put some shit like that up go scam somewhere else skank!!

[@TacticalConsiderations]

Pump's are fun for sure.

[@MrJoeygregory]

Nobody can answer is a clone better than the. M4, because they just came out and the benelli has been out for decades and his still encirculation, kick in a** And take names and now the clones are $500 on sale. They were 2 39 2 59 when they dropped. Say in the M Sr PS 600 something every time they come back and stock. Every 3 months they go up a 100 or 2. Who would pay $700 for a clone? When I know for a fact I seen one the other day. That wasn't in the best condition, but was an authentic benelim forward. For thirteen hundred dollars on gunbroker

[@answersfromscriptureonline]

The clone he is shooting costs $1,300. The Benelli is now around $1,800.

[@8BloodyKnuckles]

Rule 1: Always look cool.

[@TacticalConsiderations]

If possible.

[@pjbarney9580]

my turknelli was less than 700? only thing I'm gonna do is get an adjustable stock now. I built a budget sidesaddle. and a red dot... and a +2 tube and barrel clamp/light rail...

[@TacticalConsiderations]

Which did you get

[@pjbarney9580]

@@TacticalConsiderations Atsa A4.... a few of those things I pulled off my benelli supernova!

[@pjbarney9580]

@@TacticalConsiderations after the 200+ round " break in" I'm not sure what hurt worse my shoulder or my wallet

[@gorilladaddy7897]

How clean is it? Spx is dirty as all heck but reliable. M4 is cleaner but pricey… ortho s4 is ????

[@larrylightfoot8738]

What’s the exact sight you run on that?

[@TacticalConsiderations]

Holosun 510c green.

[@larrylightfoot8738]

@@TacticalConsiderations really appreciate the response, think I might go with the Betetta A300 after watching a couple of other videos, just can’t justify that Benelli m4 money yet lol

[@nathanbrand1]

I have an A300 Ultima Patrol that I got for a very fair price. It's fantastic. Then again if this guy's price fell..

[@TacticalConsiderations]

A300 is a solid shotugn.

[@WREKLOC]

All the parts made in Turkey are the parts I wish were made in the US

[@TacticalConsiderations]

gotcha.

[@WREKLOC]

@@TacticalConsiderations lol i just realized i never finished typing it or part of it was erased

[@Moondo31]

Nice 👍🏾

[@TacticalConsiderations]

Thanks for watching

[@joe_xoxo]

Post covid, everything has doubled in price. You would hope something that isn't Benelli would cost under1k. Nope

[@MasChingonhtx]

You’re not gonna get a gas system semi auto shotgun akin to an M4 or around that quality for under 1k. If you want something cheaper this isn’t the category for you.

[@joe_xoxo]

@@MasChingonhtx yeah, I don't have deep pockets.

[@TacticalConsiderations]

Inflation is real for sure.

[@Mrgunsngear]

🇺🇸

[@TacticalConsiderations]

👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@jsharp1776]

What's up!

[@TacticalConsiderations]

Yooooooo

[@baileymassey998]

Anyone know the song in the intro?

[@thatoneguy454c]

There is no way im spending that much money on a turknelli when i can get a 1301 for the same price or an A300 ultima patrol for alot less. There is also the stoeger M3K for 600-700 beans that has proven to be a great shotgun in tons of 3 gun competitions. Yeah its cheaper than getting an actual M4 and setting it up the same way, but it is also cheaper for a reason.

[@TacticalConsiderations]

Ok now do the math on getting them all optioned out to this level. Compare option to option and report back.

[@karmaruth-bd7gz]

This is a “modified” clone which is why it’s $1,600, a “modified” beretta or m4 equal to this would cost a lot more. For example, the “agency arms” modified benelli m4 that has similar mods to this orthos costs $4,800. Comparing $1,399 to $4,800 is a drastic difference.

[@thatoneguy454c]

​@@TacticalConsiderations those shotguns already come set up. It doesn't cost any more money to put an optic, sling, and light on a 1301 that it would for that clone. I'm not saying that a clone can't be a good shotgun, but I will say that I would personally rather get an authentic Beretta or Banelli if I'm spending that much. Or I should say I did choose Beretta and Banelli.

[@patrickrauls161]

$800 I would buy all day. For the price listed😂 no way!!

[@TacticalConsiderations]

We all have choices to make.

[@nickzimonja3382]

Better get James Reaves on the horn

[@TacticalConsiderations]

Aaahhahaha.

[@aaronehlenfeldt9435]

I would rather spend the extra cash and buy The Benelli M4 for that price

[@TacticalConsiderations]

Thanks for watching. I appreciate it.

[@calebupton4023]

What is the name of the intro track?

[@TacticalConsiderations]

OH man the editor chose that.

[@BLANK1331]

At that price, I'd have more piece of mind saving a few hundred more for a real Benelli M4.

[@TacticalConsiderations]

Well once you add the same options you will have a 4k benelli.

[@Pewpew47Dad]

You can Take the nelli out of Turk but can’t take the Turk out the nelli….overpriced in my opinion just save more and buy the real deal

[@TacticalConsiderations]

Ahhahah well said.

[@billstevens5277]

Where is that place?

[@TacticalConsiderations]

Arizona.

[@billstevens5277]

@@TacticalConsiderations LOL, that I knew.

[@TacticalConsiderations]

Its a private property range.

[@billstevens5277]

@@TacticalConsiderations Darn. Do they let people use it if they pay?

[@jamesdelong6401]

👀😎🤘🍻. SSSSSWWWEEEEETT! Shotgun

[@TacticalConsiderations]

It is pretty cool

[@mrwhy9340]

I bought one recently, i never planned on getting an actual Benelli as they never interested me all that much. Is the Orthos "just as good", no not at all lol. But i didn't feel like buying a used 1500-1900 dollar bare bones Benelli M4 or buying a new one for 2k and spending another 1-2 grand on optics and parts. If i was going for a combat shotgun, then yeah I'd buy the real deal. But i already have a combat shotgun, so i just got this as a fun range toy/training gun. The price is a little much, but Imo its a huge leap from your standard Turkish Shotguns and a massive step back from the actual Benelli still.

[@TacticalConsiderations]

I get that

[@miserylovesshotguns]

$1350 for a Turkish Benelli clone, huh? I don't see this being a success.

[@TacticalConsiderations]

We shall see

[@bsimmons00]

De-hone and burr everything... :D

[@TacticalConsiderations]

Yeah that.

[@coronadrvr9863]

Wish your price was accurate. $1700 for that one

[@TacticalConsiderations]

Prices changed since filming but I said that this one was more expensive than the others due to the paint and coatings.

[@coronadrvr9863]

@@TacticalConsiderations still want one real bad lol.

[@GPCigars]

Jesus, i would out money on calling out majority of these comments who scoff at this firearm and echo chamber off eachother in saying “get a 1301, fck turnelli”. Look at holosun. Everyone scoffed at them for being eotech copies. Look at them now. I HIGHLY doubt that majority of these internet experts have ever even shot a 1301 or a300. Turknelli has a terrible rep, but look at how this is performing here and in other videos. Some things can change and improve. Its all these benelli and beretta purists.

[@TacticalConsiderations]

Well we all have choices. I also doubt most of the people who say that are from a first hand experience.

[@brianthornton5345]

You handed it better

[@TacticalConsiderations]

Well thanks

[@adunbar6784]

What does that mean?

[@James-x5w9c]

​@@adunbar6784 You clearly didn't pay attention to the whole video lol.. Tiktok brain is a sickness

[@TacticalConsiderations]

Just saying thanks.

[@BlackwaterFather]

Great video! I wanted a Benelli M4, but the price point is crazy for a shotgun I wasn't sure I'd like. So then I looked into these, much better price, but still wasn't sure if I'd like it. So I settled upon the Panzer M4 and it's been great. Birds, bucks, and slugs. High brass, low brass, it eats everything no issues. So I'm gonna build it and shoot it while I save for the Raider S4. Check out my channel for some short videos of the Panzer. 🤘🏾 Currently has 500 rounds.

[@TacticalConsiderations]

I have run the panzer as well it runs but its definitely not as smooth or recoil controlled as this out of the box but can be built over time for sure.

[@viewer92759]

Jesus christ, $1350 for a turkenelli, heeeellll no. Get a 400 turkenelli and mod it.

[@TacticalConsiderations]

why waste the time when you can get it done .

[@dbanana1]

With the beretta patrol available I see no need in buying either a fake or real benelli

[@TacticalConsiderations]

Compare option to option base model vs fully loaded like this there will be an extreme price difference.

[@paulyp9853]

People are so f'd up. Everyone that dont have one hates it. They rather have a Baretta, a Benelli, a slingshot. All the people that do have it including the video you all just watched like the shotgun and sing its praises. So if you are looking for a review of something and already have a predetermined outcome in your mind - why bother watching? "Its not a Benelli". No f'n kidding. A tricked out Benelli is over $3k. Ahh but some said below the extras arent needed. If Jesus made a video - there would comments "I rather watch Moses".

[@markrobbins1018]

Folks always wonder if a weapon will be reliable if its needed for protection, the question they should ask is, do they have the mental and physically capabiliity to operate the weapon in question reliably when things go south? I know dudes who have the best of the best combat proven weapon systems and I wouldn't trust them to guard a latrine and more than few of them are LEO's. Hell let's be honest damn few of us shoot more 200 rounds of shotgun shells in a year let alone breaking in a gun. Lol

[@TacticalConsiderations]

Personal training is always a crutch .

[@Toms2ATime]

I'm not going to ever do enough shotgun work to buy any of these. I have used all of them in the past, and have really never found that much of a difference in that elusive "shootability" category.

[@TacticalConsiderations]

I get that.

[@garyandtricia1]

DO DADS!!

[@TacticalConsiderations]

Yup.

[@DonPato1911]

👍🏼🥇🏆👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@TacticalConsiderations]

Thanks.

[@DonPato1911]

@@TacticalConsiderations Muchas gracias! Thank you so much!

[@TacticalConsiderations]

NP