Orwell 1984 - O'Brien about Power.wmv

Listen to 1984 character O'Brien talk about power while the protagonist Winston is being tortured for thought crimes among others. Sorry for the misspelled eighty-four in the intro of the video.
I do not own any of the rights to this movie. This is just a clip I cut out.All rights go to the makers of the motion picture.

[@vchavez0103]

To see a man calmly inflict torture on another human being and be so intellectual in the process, seemingly not having any feeling at all towards Winston to me is terrifying. There was no better actor than Burton to fulfill this role.

[@edwardpresutti1296]

Nazis did it

[@maximusd26]

because he's not torturing, he's curing

[@yaakovkrakowich4563]

He played a sociopath perfectly. If O'Brien was the least bit "redeemable" as a person,it wouldn't have worked.

[@yaakovkrakowich4563]

@@maximusd26 exactly.

[@Johnconno]

You've never studied at The School of the Americas?

[@LordZontar]

"Winston, you are thinking that my face is old and tired, and while I talk of power I am unable to prevent the decay of my own body." Burton was dying of cancer when he made this movie and spoke those lines.

[@MrHaveaword]

I appreciate this sort of insight, cheers

[@woolsheepthree]

without slavery you'd be stuck in africa

[@LordZontar]

@@woolsheepthree Are you sure this is the video you intended to reply to? Because your posting here has nothing at all to do with this movie.

[@anrw886]

​@@woolsheepthree Hard words coming from someone with a my chemical romance playlist ngl

[@trydowave]

He died suddenly of a cerebral hemorrhage.

[@lonelylad9818]

Plot twist: O'Brien has his own thought police agent watching him for what he says to Winston

[@tardistime6857]

Probably

[@danielp2311]

Not probably, Iam 100% sure

[@princeofdenmark9142]

"you are outside history, you unexist"

[@aaroncincotta6305]

Today's Cancel Culture

[@TheViktorPutin]

@@aaroncincotta6305 yeah bro, getting canceled definitely makes you disappear from the public's eye and strikes you from the history books, never to be remembered, for sure yeah

[@tylerchambers6246]

@@TheViktorPutin Well when someone is really cancelled they are not only purged from the internet, but often lose their jobs in normal life, and they lose the ability to defend themselves because all of these websites act together and correspond, so once you get silenced on one, you are often silenced on all the others too. Do you deny that cancel culture and language policing is a lot like thought crime and newspeak? And history IS digital now. So yes, deleting someone's entire record off the internet, every conversation they contributed something to, etc. I mean it kind of is like banishing you from history, from the record. The only way to secure a really permanent record is by doing something like publishing an actual book.

[@TheMaleRei]

@@TheViktorPutin Cancel Culture is a dry run for permanent camping where people concentrate so hard until they are unmade and unliving.

[@TheViktorPutin]

@@TheMaleRei holy fuck schizo moment

[@MrNintoku]

That book terrified me more than any horror film. Simply because I have seen aspects of the present in the fiction of that world.

[@thomast8539]

to be scared means that you are still alive and able to emote...to do nothing to protect one's liberty in spite of the fear...well, that would simply be cowardly and immoral...folks had better be willing to defend everything of value to them (particularly their liberty) at all costs or slavery and subjugation will arrive on their doorstep...guaranteed...it is that simple

[@robhaskins]

more and more

[@ColonelBragg]

It looked like Winstons soul shattered when O'Brien told him he wrote the book.

[@ColonelBragg]

@Darr And it turned out to be nothing but a fable to catch thought criminals

[@jordanibarra9211]

Imagine how many books that are floating around like that, just to weed out the free thinkers...

[@subscriptions007]

That could be doublethink as well

[@genesisbustamante-durian]

@@ColonelBragg WRONG, it's not a Fable. It's true and informative.

[@wongawonga1000]

"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power" ~ Abraham Lincoln.

[@duongv202]

im14andthisisdeep

[@JohnWill86]

🎯

[@MrSukram777]

I really dislike they excluded the lines about the party only wanting power for itself as well as the concept of double-think. Those are my favourite parts in the book.

[@mistreme8341]

Too much truth in that for public consumption. Welcome to the 2010s.

[@micahadams1574]

Movie was made before the 2010s

[@charlescawley9923]

Can't agree more.

[@MrSukram777]

@@charlescawley9923 thanks

[@XCrysis]

Those lines didn't exist in the book brother, they were a figment of your imagination, big brother says so.

[@fanboy2015]

What a great quality film for the final year of Richard Burton. He had made some garbage in the last few years, but this was such an artistic triumph.

[@cubdukat]

Didn't he receive a posthumous award that year or a Lifetime Achievement or something?

[@plasticweapon]

the first thing i saw him in, and still my favorite.

[@stui0ham]

@@cubdukatno that was lieutenant ogilvy 🌝

[@MrSimonsays2592]

The utter hopelessness at the end of the book was always so striking to me. A wheel just constantly turning, and nothing can change it. Like I was WAITING for the "hero" to win and he just....didn't, really gripping stuff. One of Orwell's best.

[@annalisavajda252]

The futility of it all. Modern gulags or concentration camps just work you to death no happy retirement or reward at the end of life.

[@skyguy1988]

we NEED more books and movies like that ending tbh. im sick of the "hero's journey" stuff. sometimes...its not ALWAYS good. good doesnt ALWAYS win

[@MrOnomatopoiea]

O'Brien's form of torture here is far more psychological than physical!

[@arcturusxii3344]

@Lin Kuwhao there calm down. having a bad day?

[@goodyeoman4534]

I'll take the metaphysical ramblings over the wheel any day of the week

[@samlubline9720]

@Lin Ku Calm your tittes you keyboard warrior.

[@SuperImmunologist]

It’s all mental

[@rickyj5547]

I would like to that James o brien from lbc radio.

[@Cenindo]

This movie has definite qualities, but I always felt that the torture scenes in the end are sorely lacking in intensity, compared to the impression I get from the novel. Here the movie is quiet and meditative where the novel really lets us understand the fierceness of Winston's ordeal. The literary O'Brien isn't as soft-spoken as this. He alternates between being a sort of strict teacher, in a way a "wise" guru intending to convert Winston to the worldview of the Party, and an angry god inflicting horrible pain on his "patient" whenever Winston doesn't respond to the brainwashing.

[@MrHartApart]

just finished the book and yeah, those last several chapters are horrifying as hell. this scene, does not convey TORTURE, like the book does.

[@LordZontar]

No, the torture scenes don't have the intensity of the book's depictions but they suit the movie and the kind of personality Richard Burton crafted for O'Brien. Andre Morell took a somewhat similar tack in the 1954 BBC production of 1984 adapted by Nigel Kneale and starring Peter Cushing. That the movie O'Brien IS so soft-spoken creates an even worse effect psychologically. O'Brien knows he can break Winston and has all the time in the world to do it, and demonstrates how secure and relentless the power of the Party is by just doing his job with no more feeling over it than an accountant going over a ledger sheet. Winston is just a problem to be solved and not worth the Party's usual kind of histrionics to terrify him into submission, and he presents no challenge that can't be worn down. The movie O'Brien (and the BBC O'Brien) just sucks away the remaining drams of hope, leaving Winston nothing to lock onto as a point of resistance for even a fleeting second. The terror this O'Brien presents to Winston is that of the steadily building tide that will drown him in time and from which there is no escape.

[@fruitypeebils]

sure, but you're completely ignoring the fact that tony hawk underground had the best soundtrack in the series

[@altairsjh]

Yeah I have to agree. The thing about the book O'Brien too is that he's emotionally unstable - sometimes he reacts with violent anger to one of Winston's slip ups. He's not just the amoral, soft spoken interrogator or the fanatical zealot - he is BOTH in equal measure. And that's what really sells just how horrifying doublethink is. Believing and not believing.

[@sixkicksfightertricks949]

Yes. I remember that in the novel, Winston's skin is a pale, grayish color, his body gaunt and hunched, and his hair falling out due to severe malnourished waiting in prison before his judgement. Then he is restrained into an electric chair. While he is losing a political argument, O'Brien shouts at him to look in the mirror. It is said that Winston's reflection represents the image of freedom Winston is trying to convey. This helped with the process of killing him inside to match the rest of the population. To add insult to injury, they waited for his guard to drop before capturing him. Because capture wouldn't hurt as much if it were expected. No one can hide from the omnipresent surveillance ingsoc possessed. The book gave me goosebumps and made me more appreciative to the most basic necessities than hearing about 3rd world countries.

[@sooners2037]

Always, Winston, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face-forever."

[@coralarch]

Burton's greatest role- I can't think of anyone else who could portray O'Brien with such subtlety.

[@cedricliggins7528]

Richard Harris or Oliver Reed come to mind

[@plasticweapon]

first burton performance i saw, and still my favorite.

[@roryos]

Anyone else find it ironic that John Hurt went on to play the Chancellor Sutler in V for Vendetta? lol

[@DannyWilliamH]

コンピューティング A E S T H E T I C It was a choice so not exactly ironic. They wanted him for that role because he played Winston.

[@jasonrooster9866]

It's almost as if... they knew that?

[@JampingVan]

He become Big Brother

[@imporiorvelarius6550]

@@JampingVan Big Susan is watching you

[@artgueret]

Played both parts excellent....

[@patgogan7324]

Rip John Hurt and Richard Burton

[@Darwaxion]

What a perfect novel 1984 is. Truly brilliant. I'm sure even Tolstoy and Dostoevsky would have been amazed if they'd been able to read.

[@pyromania1018]

I wouldn't say perfect. It is one of the greatest novels of all time, but a number of Orwell's arguments have been discredited as time marched on: 1) It is scientifically impossible to torture someone into genuinely believing something. Even when you break a person through torture, their ultimate motive for saying what you want them to say is because they want the torture to stop. Deep down, they KNOW what they're being forced to say is BS. This is based on the Moscow Show Trials: Orwell assumed the victims had been tortured into believing themselves guilty of the crimes Stalin made them confess to, but in reality, they played along because the NKVD threatened to go after their families if they didn't. The actual torture was limited to things like sleep deprivation, for the most part, and at no point did they ever truly swallow Stalin's bunk. This was not revealed until long after Orwell died, so it's not really his fault. 2) The character of O'Brien is pure, unadulterated fiction. No secret police interrogator would be this sophisticated, intelligent, loyal, and philosophical. They're either psycho-sadistic bastards who just love inflicting pain; or they're spineless butt-kissers who would go out of their way to appear productive to avoid being tortured and killed themselves. 3) Human nature cannot truly be rewritten. It can be suppressed, and this state can last for a long time, but not forever. Inevitably, something will cause it all to fall apart. 4) Adding on to the previous point, dictatorships tend to suffer from one of two major flaws (or both): a) The leader is so feared that suppliants don't give accurate information if they think he/she won't like it, leading to even more problems. b) The head(s) of state will give out high-ranking jobs based on flattery and a willingness to be a shameless brown-noser, leading to problems similar to example A. 5) Stalin didn't need to fake a way. The Second World War was very real. Now, North Korea is very similar to Oceania (defectors have outright confirmed it), but as we all know, it's a paper tiger that hasn't been destroyed simply because its neighbors don't want to deal with so many refugees. It's still terrifying, but suffers from the problems listed above.

[@mikkobarros8436]

re: 1) It is entirely possible , with modern chemicals almost trivial. 2) you lost your rationale here...

[@frankkrumnow7194]

I want to add a 6th point: I honestly don't think that any system could be brought to this level of perfection as there always is corruption. Even a ethically corrupt system would "suffer" from bribing and blackmailing amongst its cogs.

[@ColonelBragg]

Brave new world seems like the more likely outcome

[@Gillian2323]

It's a idea of WHAT COULD/POSSIBLY HAPPEN

[@SpaceMonkey23101]

The weariness of the cell is the vigour of the organism.

[@Synodalian]

The organism is nothing without the integrity of the cell.

[@Synodalian]

E115 Actually, a cancer cell by itself is nothing. As always, it has to develop into a collective tumor before damage to the system can begin occurring. That does not occur unless there is a _collective_ _group_ of cancer cells to feed off the resources of the system like a _parasite_.

[@NateMchaggis]

the spirit of man! hit me right in the feels!

[@minceraftfornite4334]

It hit u in ur soul

[@jeffkaufman9875]

@Ciderholics Gosh; I hope you weren’t planning on having kids!…

[@1sam-ef]

We don't desire Power for the purpose of getting something nor the acquisition of Power to fulfill a particular purpose.....We desire Power only for it's sake!

[@maryodaly8078]

Yes, it is like mountain climbing, Invade the sacred spaces for no reason other than to leave your own smutty imprint and personal garbage. The mountain sometimes gets back. The sea gets back. The atmosphere gets back. Power is the detour to the flat earth of the human brain.

[@maxpower1337]

vigilance is the eternal price of freedom..

[@thomast8539]

seeing the threat is one thing, but without the willingness to defend freedom at ALL costs and hazards, the house will simply burn down while the klaxon blares away

[@stevesteviestevenson2828]

2022 and its gets a step closes to reality....

[@Maxfromohio2155]

O’Brien tortures winston calmly

[@spacebam1921]

Hes so fine on god

[@alecjones4676]

What's most chilling about this book, for me, is to imagine what the world must have been like for something like Ingsoc to come into existence. Most people today have no idea how good they have it.

[@remember_Pat_Tillman]

This shit is happening today. Right here in this country. Right now.

[@alecjones4676]

@@remember_Pat_Tillman Is that so? How many family members of yours were shipped off to death camps, disappeared in the middle of the night, or executed without a trial?

[@remember_Pat_Tillman]

@@alecjones4676 what the fuck are you talking about? If you don't see that we are living in Orwells 1984, you're delusional.

[@petebondurant58]

If that were so…this video would have been banned.

[@remember_Pat_Tillman]

@@petebondurant58 no not really.

[@NjorogewaWahome04]

1:26 "...if you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stomping on a human face - forever"

[@maryodaly8078]

The only light in the darkness is heroism.

[@logoseven3365]

When the government's boot is on your throat, whether it is a left boot or a right boot is of no consequence. Gary Lloyd

[@b5904]

To me this was Burton's finest moments.

[@plasticweapon]

same. first thing i saw him in, and still the best.

[@Brownshoe24]

0:28 - Obedience is not enough. Power is inflicting pain and humiliation; otherwise, you cannot be sure. Power is tearing human minds apart, and putting them together again in new shapes of your own choosing. Power is not a means, it is an end. In our world, there will only be triumph and self-abasement. Everything else, we shall destroy. The past is forbidden. Why? Because when we can cut man from his own past, then we can cut him from his family, his children, other men. There is no loyalty, except loyalty to the Party. There is no love, except love of Big Brother. All competing pleasures, we will destroy. If you want a vision of the future, Winston, imagine a boot stamping on a human face-forever.

[@piotrmontgomerytv7786]

After watching 1984 movie it feels like playing through Wolfenstein the new order

[@rogerevans9666]

@3:45 O'Brien says: "You are a man. The last man." reminds me that Orwell's original title for the book was "The Last Man in Europe". The publisher suggested "1984".

[@GrayNeko]

They're still thinking like this today. They never stopped.

[@PresidentSunday]

Look at how his eyes go from wide and curious at 3:33 to sunken and dull after Winston disappoints him with his answer: the spirit of man. O'Brien WANTED Winston to prove the failure of the party. He WISHES for the party to fail.

[@bawoman]

I wouldnt be surprised if Obrien was at one point a dissenter...he seems to have too much intellect and in a way, too much of a sort of empathy than the zombie like followers of BB.

[@iggy1296]

President Sunday not really. in the book it's pretty obvious that O'Brien really believes in everything he says, he's a genius but also a fanatic, that's why he's so dangerous

[@AudieHolland]

Disregard the movie. It is thoughtcrime, ungood! The book is everything. O'Brien started noticing Winston as a possible dissenter 7 years before he had him arrested. He knew Winston was probably a thought criminal. And he knew it would require a special job because he knew Winston could still be saved! Others who were irredeemably anti Big Brother were simply disappeared, never to be spoken about. But true indivuals like Winston first had to be tortured, made to confess, then tortured more psychologicall than physically untill they would break and accept Big Brother's love. What made Winston special? Probably because he more or less is the author, George Orwell. And Orwell was a romanticist, putting himself in the role of the lone hero. He was also very ill with tuberculosis, and he died shortly after having finished the book, knowing that he would have made a better job of it if not for his sickness.

[@palasako8732]

The book leaves a lot of that stuff open to interpretation. The thing is, Obrien is such a master of doublethink that he can openly talk about the faults of the party while still remaining loyal to it and seeing it as a faultless and perfect entity. This is apparent because he writes gold-stein's book. The whole point of giving winston that book was to make winston feel like he had been secretly given the "truth" and then for him to realize that even his most secret possession was given to him directly by the party to make him think in a certain way. They gave him the truth and then defeated the truth in his mind. At some level still sub-conciously obrien is probably tortured because he is intellegent enough to see all the BS but has a flexible enough mind to suppress it and still be a droid.

[@mikkobarros8436]

It speaks alot of the greatness of the book, that you still try to romanticize there being something human in O'Brien.

[@tyrone_rayray_and_pookie]

It is clear that Quagmire made the intro to the video. Nineteen gigitty four.

[@SuperImmunologist]

I feel O’Brien was in this position before

[@ShotDownInFlames2]

Thanks for the clip. Scary.

[@wblake1]

I'd love to be given a lecture on political philosophy by Richard Burton, even if it meant having to withstand torture... :D

[@wblake1]

No, I'm not making light of torture, I simply utilized a *metaphor* in conveying my admiration for Richard Burton, that's all.

[@vuho2075]

Oh God, I need a drink...

[@donkeyslayer4661]

You'd have to catch him when he's sober, which was never.

[@rayhill5767]

There is a Dick Caveat interview on KZbin. I found him to be a horrible self important bore. His acting is far superior.

[@michaelnewton1332]

THERE…ARE…FOUR…LIGHTS!!!!!!

[@ackeeble]

I read the speech in the book. It's a bit more detailed than what is said here. They've shortened it for the script to make it readable. I wonder if Burton's health might have made it difficult for him to remember his lines that they had to shorten it from the book's original speech.

[@astrowiz3544]

Movies shorten source material all the time. It usually doesnt have anything to do with the actors.

[@kaleidoscope5054]

Probably they just needed to fit it in the movie span of time. They removed some others as well.

[@iRazenrak]

I'm pretty sure 1984 has more dialouge and exposition than actual storytelling. That is very hard to turn into a movie.

[@Shogun459]

As close to Orwell's book as you'll ever see. Really well done. To bad it was off the market for so many years.

[@rgaleny]

It's a fun contrast that John Hurt Played Caligula in the BBC series of I, Claudius. The opposite of Winston Smith.

[@freezerjoe]

Surprising to see Paul Merson make a cameo at the end of the scene.

[@scinformation7229]

This reminds me of teacher training.

[@skyguy1988]

how ironic that many places ban 1984 from being read lol

[@andrewmanchiraju8005]

In my IB literature oral I actually used this exact scene as my work in English excerpt to discuss the numerous ways power can be abused.

[@wilfridwibblesworth2613]

Say what you like about O'Brian but at least he isn't ignorant and hateful enough to risk misgendering someone 3:38 even if they are a suspect for utterly horrific levels of thoughtcrime. He manages to remain calm, dignified and treats the criminal with respect even when it's undeserved.

[@BruceWayne-mb4hk]

I don’t mind if a world like this comes to fruition as long as I have O’Brien’s job.

[@shankarteli3232]

😂😂😂

[@BruceWayne-mb4hk]

@Anony Mus Winston wasn’t promoted and certainly not to inner party member. Winston was put out to pasture/retired for lack of better phrasing. I’m sure inner party members did have levels of scrutiny we would both find excessive, but they also were the top 2 percent of society.

[@LKaramazov]

Lol!

[@DoubleStudentLoans]

You ever just read a comment and know whoever wrote it got bullied in HS?

[@donaldkgarman296]

IT'S A SMALL GROUP AND YOU ARE'NT IN IT .

[@slickwillywize]

Psychological warfare in EVERY news story means suffering of unanswerable questions

[@Delivery_Boy_Roy]

This just makes me cry

[@rayhill5767]

The book is life changing and by turns enlightening and devastating.

[@felixgelukonstantinescu4751]

Yeah, it's Saturday, I know'

[@xelldincht4251]

Zapp Brannigan from Futurama was how imagined O'Brien would look like when i read the book

[@skipmendler]

Everyone talks about the manipulation of language for the total surveillance aspect of the 1984 society... But they tend to ignore this part there are people in this world who feel that way about power.

[@mucro849]

Good movie.

[@chasehedges6775]

10/10 film

[@user-lj2cb2pj8j]

Great acting

[@thomast8539]

It is shameful that some folks can't simply live and let live. If they didn't have the mental illness to try and control everything, they could just go about their own life, minding their own business instead of probing into the business and privacy of others.

[@curiositycloset2359]

Are you a man Winston?

[@Schlabbeflicker]

The COVID concentration camps are for your own good. The beatings will be swift and severe if you are caught outside far from anyone without a mask, a vaccination card, and an internal travel passport.

[@plasticweapon]

you're not paying attention...it's about POWER.

[@HasselHoffman-im5he]

There are ways the Party could be overthrown. The following methods range from unlikely to likely: Outside invasion: unlikely Military coup: unlikely Paroles/ civilians rising up: somewhat likely. They wouldn’t rise up on their own Economic collapse: somewhat likely Power struggle in the Party itself: Most likely

[@reaperluke3518]

when I read the book I was like: "Man I hope aliens invade and kill these Inner Party motherfuckers"

[@USMValor-jc5xu]

I believe a Military Coup could be likely as it would be the Military going up against the Thought Police who are just really a paramilitary organization.

[@napoleonbonaparteempereurd4676]

@@USMValor-jc5xu Not at all. 1) Oceania has a very weak economy. No one minds because they are convinced they live well. 2) INGSOC cannot be overthrown by the army because it has no Central Leadership. Oceania is ruled regionally. You would have to overthrow all the Regions individually. By Party Officals.

[@BuggritHall]

I've always thought that three to four generations would see the end, or at least a severe weakening, of the Party. A combination of poor health and diet, no medical advances as well as the disgust of the sex act by the females within the Party would mean the birth rate would plummet and there would be no-one to replace the older Party members. I know in the book it said the Party would be willing to take on members of the Proles to replace them if needed but that wouldn't work at all in reality. 2060 or so the end of Ingsoc.

[@thibautklinger5178]

I think pure Chaos theory would Bring the Party to Fall. They cannot control all aspects of Life as they would Like and something goes under the radar and Breaks their necks

[@SingleTax]

"Humanity is the party." Never understood that line. It seemed quite clear to me that humanity was the *prey* of the party, not the party itself.

[@jonathancampbell5231]

He meant that The Party has such total control over society that the lines between the two are blurred, that the majority of citizens are just lower ranked Party members or might as well be thought as such. Or, he is so cynical about humanity that he thinks that even "if" the people rise up and overthrow the Party, they will inevitably create a regime that is just as wicked and corrupt as this one, if you take the view that O'Brien is just a broken, jaded idealist himself.

[@Noodles37UK]

The ULTIMATE future, if we all don't watch out.

[@djspacehopper8728]

Its here now

[@flecktarn4110]

It's already happening

[@pacco9532]

So relevant now

[@thomast8539]

simply watching won't be enough...physical defensive action of liberty is what keeps people free

[@MNAHN-T.GOF-NN]

@@thomast8539 Rights are for people who are willing to fight for them. I wish it weren't so, but that's reality and it always will be.

[@thomasraymer1085]

It’s gotta mean something. 1994-2022 every happiness. Back to the ministry.

[@thatgoose9705]

It's about drive, it's about Party

[@mierpaul]

Before Kane was assigned to the Nostromo, he was horribly tortured by the Weyland-Yutani corporation into believing the xenomorph was the savior of mankind.

[@miguelisms]

Oh look it's Common Core!

[@starguy2718]

There are four lights!

[@richardmoloney689]

Good on you Picard

[@andresanchez728]

More true today than ever before.

[@AW-kr9fl]

Winston was very naive and deluded to trust O’Brien. Richard Burton was brilliant in this

[@dorpth]

This right here is the whole point of 1984 that all the "DURR IT'S ABOUT SOCIALISM JUST LIKE DEMOCRATS AND SHRILLARY!" people have totally missed. Totalitarian regimes are about perpetuating power & control, nothing else. At a certain point in extremism, any other beliefs or tenants are meaningless and distinctions disappear. Nazi Germany was not the complete opposite of Stalinist Russia just because one was "far right" and the other was "far left". 1984 was about the psychology used to achieve that power and control. Assholes taking power is not exclusive to any system. It could apply to Stalinist Russia. It could apply to Nazi Germany. It could apply to Christian fundamentalists. It could apply to those dopes who think that boobs in video games cause rape.

[@fizzlebug]

Still, the main inspiration was communism and more specifically stalinism. George Orwell was a socialist at heart but was heartbroken by the horrific forms that an originally admirable idea turned into.

[@Tripp1993]

That's the best way to put it. A well thought out and brilliant observation why Orwell's masterpiece is not an instruction manual at all for anybody.

[@calmingvoice8646]

. @WTFPurpleAlpaca The Right is an actual problem again. You wrote this comment while Trump, a guy who often tries to rewrite history, is president.

[@seattleskeleton9195]

@@calmingvoice8646 He is?

[@meryatathagres1998]

@@fizzlebug You're wrong. It's just an established untruth.

[@thetruth4196]

Chilling

[@BRENDAJASON1]

Yes in the end you will lose you world leaders it has happened in history

[@WoWpveGuidz]

O'Brien lost in the end, if you read the appendix.

[@JCDentonCZ]

I dont remember an appendix. However, O'Brien admitted himself that he would get trampled on as well and willingly accepts that. Every person that's involved will get discarded and replaced ad infinitum.

[@MrSukram777]

JCDentonCZ At what point does he admit that? I can't remember that part.

[@cleanerben9636]

I'm surprised Winston didn't inherit his position. He's clever, and the party still needs a small amount of clever to operate.

[@maximusd26]

@@cleanerben9636 well we don't know that far in the future so why not

[@Ali009Ahmed]

I never read the appendix because I was devastated by the ending. Never wanted to continue reading and forgot about it for years.

[@Technobabylon]

"Welcome to Tiny Train World, Winston, you idiot."

[@wezilman]

As I watch this, there is an ad beneath that says 'why you need a mega church, how to reinforce your congregation'. My mind is blown

[@cheekloins4126]

But for what purpose does the party exist, truly? Is it to guide humanity in its own way? Is it to keep one or two people in power? The future is a boot on the face of humanity. But why is that the ideal? What does that do? I understand I wouldn’t get these answered honestly, if at all, if I was in Winstons position. But I would be spilling every ounce of curiosity I have to O’Brien. After all, what’s there to lose at this point?

[@nunyabusiness7858]

I'd rather be a prole.

[@astrowiz3544]

Ignorance is bliss, or in the words of the novel, freedom is slavery

[@napoleonbonaparteempereurd4676]

@@astrowiz3544 The lack of class-coneosness among the Proles if why INGSOC rules on. If the Proles gained class-conceosness, they would rise up and overthrow INGSOC.

[@astrowiz3544]

@@napoleonbonaparteempereurd4676 my point exactly.

[@napoleonbonaparteempereurd4676]

@@astrowiz3544 Orwell drew this concept straight from Karl Marx. That's why it's funny when people say "Orwell hated Marx"

[@astrowiz3544]

@@napoleonbonaparteempereurd4676 Well you must remember that the whole book is a critique of a system gone extreme; hes using Marx's own words against him. You said it yourself- the lack of class-consciousness is why the system lives on, so Orwell isnt glorifying the Proles' ignorance, hes using it as a warning, an example.

[@MySerpentine]

The object of torture is torture. The children we have in cages right now prove that.

[@glitchyjoe64]

Thanks obama

[@LukeWatts85]

"Nineteen gigity-four" Gigity gigity!

[@x-rex7236]

I feel like this would be much better to show this to students than Animal Farm

[@zippy_uk1046]

Animal farm explains WHY communism fails - at the time, democracies in the West had a hard time doing that especially as the CCCP had not collapsed and many thought it to be a utopia. I see 1984 as more a warning from history about the future.

[@raulbetancourt5795]

This is sickening in so many ways.

[@bloodisfreedomsstain]

Nineteen giggity-giggity four

[@rationalsatanist1811]

Richard Burton is my relative on my mums side of the family

[@adrianpale2342]

Nineteen giggity-four

[@lordapophis5723]

Ha! He spelled 19 giggity four

[@ArsonFire00]

Nineteen gighty-four?! Giggity Giggity!!

[@grf15]

If you like the book, and I LOVE the book, then this is a movie you should watch. Otherwise, it's not recommended. It's pretty dark, even if you know and understand the story. Without that knowledge, I suspect this is a long, boring slog.

[@notmytruthTHEtruth]

Nihilism and lack of even the concept of God. This is what's coming but search for salvation don't be uncomfortable with the subject confront it head on from all angles.

[@Algiz-iz9bq]

Jehovah witnesses use the exact same tactics as described in 1984,so?

[@mamadnobari6896]

Unfortunately we are in 1984 😪😪

[@Paul2377]

We're not. A lot of people just say we are to be scaremongers. After all, both right and left wing people say 1984 is already here. They can't both be right...

[@SomebodyPerfectly]

ninteen gigity-four xD

[@lucygirl4926]

"Nineteen giggety four" as written by Quagmire...

[@TomPetty007]

So anyone notice he said they erase your history basically to make you more docile. Sounds very much like CRT.

[@shinydewott]

“CRT is everything I hate. The more I hate it, the more like CRT it is”

[@buddyfats4768]

​@@shinydewottnah he is actually pretty accurate the purpose of CRT is to paint Europeans as evil colonizers and to make Whites feel guilty for their race so they don't collectivise.

[@xylfox]

Burton died a few months later.

[@MrJL1995]

The very fact that people are here complaining about that this government is very current state that which we are today is ironically in my opinion the reason why it ultimately is not. The very fact that almost the entire world has the right to complain and whine is the reason why freedom exist. Politicians are telling lies and alternative realities to their selected crowd, yet there is always an opposition with their facts and their lies to counter and fight. We have media drowning us in information and communication, some is useful some is not but much of it is whether the ruling government want it or not. 1984's world is only realised where there is one voice telling everyone how it should be, with one "truth" and one means of telling it. This method was tested in states such as the soviet union, nazi germany and north korea. Now two of them are gone and one is starving away from the inside. 1984 was created in a world where isolating countries was still a possibility, it is not anymore because we are too dependent one one another to survive. OF COURSE there lies a different ruling elite which takes command of society and its people, but there is nothing like the reality of the totalitarian regime in 1984. I think the Utopia/dystopia in Brave new world is much closer to reality than this world with a bit of hints of 1984 in it. The thing that will make people slaves to society is not a violent regime, it only prolongs the inevitable, but a world where people succumb to selfish ambitions, trivial pleasures and conformity. Ideals of freedom and truth would be irrelevant because no one would care to learn. This vision is the more scary of the two, because that one is compared to 1984 possible today

[@editorblue]

Giggity!

[@joeridestrijcker445]

first frame of the video.... 'gighty' and 'speach' ; must be Newspeak...

[@BeatJunkie-mq1tc]

Accidents Dont Happen

[@derekstaroba]

Audio sounds bad am I the only 1?

[@billthestinker]

O'Brien has a secret weapon, Pliers on poor Winston's happenis

[@scotchdopole]

3:15 I disbelieve it. I know you will fail. Something in this world, some spirit, you will never overcome. Something like Coronavirus.

[@thibautklinger5178]

Maybe oceania is dirty enough for a vicious Plague

[@XXLSSBBW]

You are free to be a drunkard, an idler, a coward, a backbiter, a fornicator; but you are not allowed to be a free thinker. The further society drifts from the Truth the more it hates those that speak it.

[@Khamug]

Some body here played half life 2?

[@nixnightbird138]

*speech

[@ArmyJames]

Enjoy your “power”, O’Brien. I’m sure it’s very personally fulfilling.

[@plasticweapon]

sour grapes.

[@7Svmurai]

I'm here because of Mental Minority - Dystopia Now

[@MultiPopculture]

Tony Hopkins often copies Dick Burton....