The Dystopian World of 1984 Explained

[@AlternateHistoryHub]

Seriously go read the book though

[@Brandon-es8nu]

First comment

[@EmbeMamaChannel]

It seems interesting. You inspired me to read disunited states of america, guns of the south world war Z and man in the high castle. Also how about you do a video on the lore of a diffrent flesh. Written by harry turtledove it's about what if homo sapiens never went into america, but homo erectus, and megafauna all over the world survives longer. Or down in the bottomlands about what if in the miocene period the mediterranean sea never existed, and is replaced by a sea of salt.

[@Brandon-es8nu]

second comment

[@joshuaswank1885]

Please make this a series, I'd love to hear your take on Brave New World!

[@nolansthompson8984]

Emperor Leroy Melina is not Mexican

[@vaultb0y992]

One of the scariest part of the book for me was when one of the characters describes how people can never know about freedom or liberty if those concepts and words dont exist.

[@AlejandroDeYavorsky159]

Seems eerily similar with some groups today trying to change language in the pretext of being more "inclusive"

[@iamaleftist3834]

@@AlejandroDeYavorsky159 It is absolutely nothing like that, that is a daft comparison

[@xvor_tex8577]

@@iamaleftist3834 lmao yeah let's listen to someone called "I Am Leftist"

[@iamaleftist3834]

@@xvor_tex8577 Wow you must be so smart, imagine dismissing an entire argument based on somebody's username Question, what would your response be had my name been let's say Jim2000?

[@bjnartowt]

@@iamaleftist3834 That Jim2000 had claimed *without evidence* that "a daft comparison" had been made.

[@jonahc2807]

“You can say whatever you want when you raise generations to worship you.” Very important statement.

[@celticireland5697]

Note taken

[@TnD_BigJax]

Ooohhhhhh... shit.

[@calvinjohnstone2664]

Mao?

[@segmentsAndCurves]

@@calvinjohnstone2664 Even worse.

[@VindexAnimae]

Islam is in control of Facebook Instagram Twitter. You can insult Christianity in their platforms as much as you want but never Islam. Try mentioning Tommy Robinson you'll get banned. Seriously. If this continues, 1984 will happen. Imagine China today.

[@miltsockj5742]

I think the scariest part is by far newspeak. Eliminating anti-party thoughts by restricting and eliminating freethinking capability in itself

[@stevious7278]

And how many concepts and words are we being conditioned to erase from our thinking in 2022? The difference is that the state does not have to use overt coercion; it is done by mobs attacking you with the accusation of bullying, racism, xenophobia, homophobia, or taking offense of an increasing number of topics. ANY topic needs to be able to be discussed in a free society; even topics we find distasteful.

[@beshoyyoussef2814]

Cancel culture

[@thebuilder5271]

It’s like all the new Republican dogwhistles lol

[@Jmulvez]

@@thebuilder5271 retard. leftists literally want to curb the 1st amendment 😂 go read a book moron

[@rustyshackleford4761]

@@thebuilder5271 what

[@TheSixteen60]

Fun Fact: 1984 was an early inspiration for Half-Life 2, and some elements of 1984 are still present in the game as well. Like cities just referred as City XX, like with City 17. And most of the citizens barely remember their past before the Combine invaded earth.

[@CZpersi]

The screens around the city also remind the Big Brother.

[@TheBfutgreg]

I'm not surprised as HL2 is very "Orwellian" but this is a totally "outside" Alien Invasion story.....I'm curious why the aliens do what they do...I guess we might know but HL3 never existed....OOOFF

[@MelanatedRepublican]

U r an idiot

[@LMC764]

​@@TheBfutgregwe already know why they do what they do.

[@vladimirrodionov5391]

I guess then they are still looking for a new inspiration for Half-Life 3!

[@Froot655]

At 2:07 it’s mentioned that a town in England called Colchester was nuked, but London was not. As someone who lives in Colchester I can confirm that we got nuked because Colchester is a military garrison town and so would probably hold some strategic advantage to destroy. Not important or relevant information but I thought it would be interesting for people to know :)

[@c93636]

made me laugh when he said major city, then col kester hahahah

[@frenchpeoplearentrealpeopl4771]

Or they just didn’t like Colchester

[@oddpoppetesq.3467]

Not irrelevant. In Orwells day im pretty sure Colchester MB was well used so would have been a major target in an all out war, albeit I dont understand why Eurasia or Eastasia wouldnt nuke a major city like London as well though.....

[@Robbie-pc1dl]

yea

[@alexm.s4000]

@@oddpoppetesq.3467 i suppose its because the nations want the war to perpetually continue. Without the war the people would question why their lives are so shitty.(revolution?) But as long as there is conflict the people can be rallied against a "common cause' War is peace

[@CteCrassus]

Forget vampires, zombies, werewolves, xenocidal aliens or cosmic horrors; 1984 is the most bone-chilling and terrifying piece of fiction I have ever interacted with in my whole life.

[@jahndahp2196]

@@37boy60 what’s that about? I play the game but have never heard of it

[@jahndahp2196]

@@37boy60 that sounds cool is it like on par with kaiserreich

[@MrsPhilosopher]

2020 says fiction? hold my beer.

[@dr.jackkevorkian1119]

What’s scary is that it’s closer to non fiction than most people realize.

[@shanetoumey2835]

Juan Carlos Gonzalez Precisely.

[@maverick837]

Ingsoc: "Eurasia has always been our greatest ally against the evil East Asia in the war against Eurasia with our great ally East Asia."

[@Poffean]

@Sean Wilkinson FOUR minutes? EURASIAN SPY!

[@someonesomewhere8065]

USA in a nutshell.

[@someonesomewhere8065]

@Yoshi Does Stuff lol I could not agree more

[@davidhollenshead4892]

@@someonesomewhere8065 Not "USA in a nutshell." but rather Television Propaganda of many Nations...

[@awddfg]

*_BIG BRANE 100_*

[@legoclonetrooper]

A few years ago I was playing video games and remembered a Subway ad. A bit later I was scrolling a bit through youtube and it was on my recommended. I told my mom how funny it was and said jokingly: "Big Brother is watching you." Later I was scrolling through youtube again and there was the ad again but also with this video right above it...

[@U.N.S.R]

Big brother is watching

[@frenchtoast4491]

Big brother is watching

[@Huber872]

Down with Big Brother

[@RyanMorgan-i9r]

Big brother is watching

[@PassiveSmoking]

One thing you have to bear in mind with 1984 is that literally nothing can be taken at face value. It's entirely possible that the party is a world government and that Eurasia and Eastasia are just fictions to justify a permanent war footing that only exists to suppress the populace. Equally it could be that airstrip 1 is little more than a banana republic with little standing on the world stage and the party is indulging In North Korean self aggrandisement. We don't even know for sure that the year is 1984.

[@DaybreakPT]

Literally nothing can be taken at face value. Oh so like the mainstream media 2015 onwards? kzbin.info/www/bejne/qpOYgYOkqtpmmNU kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZqiwanRjlpeSjc0 Check this one 0:50 onwards, the staging is once again obvious as fuck. It's not just CNN, they've just been caught red-handed recently, see this after the first video link I sent you, does anyone seem familiar? www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/40149802/turn-to-love-message-from-muslims-after-london-bridge-attack

[@l_ndonmusic]

It's funny that memes are a better and more reliable source of news than official multi-billion dollar networks

[@fatcat5544]

I love how someone writes a comment based on a work of fiction and someone has to come out of the wood work and scream about how the water is makin' the friggin frogs gay.

[@NunOfDoloresDei]

Didn't they capture a bunch of Eurasian solidees in the book? I know there were enemy ones, ay least. So I doubt they have nothing on the world stage.

[@Nick_o7]

hot take here

[@vincent-ls9lz]

I read 1984 and IT. 1984 was scarier. Usually these books end in a resolution - Orwell made sure that a world in this state could realistically never be reverted, and those attempting to will end up like Winston.

[@Wateryshroomdude]

It is really scary. After I was done with the book I tried to imagine what I would do in that situation. Even in this reality i could feel the party squeezing the life from me. THERE IS NO WAY TO OVERTHROW THE PARTY.

[@YagamiTrala]

@@Wateryshroomdude after reading the book I was feeling really really down (like a short depression) for about a week or two for this exact reason.

[@Wateryshroomdude]

@@YagamiTrala It gets worse once you realise its already happening. Governments slowly encroaching, saying "its for you own good".

[@Wateryshroomdude]

@Karl Quetzacoatl Yes. Although simplifying my thoughts into one ideology is dangerous, I would say ancap is better than most things.

[@xPowerKittyx]

afaik, the end of the book speaks of the regime in past tense, meaning that it was in fact overthrown

[@carlireland5049]

One thing I wish had been in the video is that this entire backstory could be completely made up considering how untrustworthy Oceania is. The characters don’t even know for sure that the year is 1984. The deuteragonist Julia didn’t even think the war was real and believed that Ingsoc only controlled England (and just England, not even the entire former UK), with the rest of the world at peace and relatively better off. By the end, the novel neither confirms nor denies her suspicions.

[@themagus5906]

An excellent comment! Although, the story , I think, was meant to be more of an allegorical tale, like Orwell's "Animal Farm". It really didn't matter what year it was, or what country it was set in, much like Bradbury's "Fahrenheit 451". 🔥

[@vladancekic6634]

Did Julia said that in original 1984, or in Sandra Newman novel ?

[@carlireland5049]

@@vladancekic6634 She said that in Orwell’s original novel. I haven’t read Newman’s Julia and I commented this before it was even published.

[@vladancekic6634]

@@carlireland5049 Thanks

[@caldadextra2063]

You can’t experience anything else when there practically isn’t an “anything else” A form of this happens in some subcultures when kids are heavily isolated and informed that only things within their sphere are holy and acceptable, while everything outside is wicked and evil: it’s essentially one small step behind 1984, which eliminates even the possibility of “anything else” I’ve seen it first hand, and it’s heavily tied to the idea that children are essentially the property of their parents until the day either they or you die (males only, however: in this particular subculture, women are a sort of forever slave to their fathers, and then their husbands. The rate of abuse, as you’d expect, is just as high as it is with any heavily insular community)

[@bigusdickus9903]

“The Obliteration of Self” Best emo band name

[@yenzabar]

More like a Buddhist death metal band

[@ethansics9400]

I bet they’d sound like pageninetynine

[@MrManio1000]

Fathers Razor

[@jaysefgames1155]

It's really on the nose

[@biliminsrlar5752]

It's basiacly a death cult,it even says that in the book.

[@abd-al-kareemqasim1711]

The thing about 1984 is that we don’t know if much of the information we gather about the world is even correct. O’Brien admits to writing the book that gives a lot of history and background on the world to Winston so it has a good chance of being false. For all we know Oceana only consists of the British isles or the super states of Eurasia and Eastasia do not exist. There is no way to know for sure.

[@NumbGeek]

I thought about this a while ago, it's entirely possible for that to be true

[@Kriegter]

so north korea

[@colton1325]

[SPOILER] There is 2 whole chapters that basically repeats itself twice when Winston reads Goldsteins book and it mentions the regions that mark the borders of the nations

[@NumbGeek]

@@colton1325 for all we know, it might be false, since it was given to Winston by a party member

[@eXecu7or]

@@colton1325 it was written by party to bait people into believing in some kind of resistance, for all we know it might be possible that Goldstein didn't even exist

[@markmendel9883]

1984 wasn't necessarily the actual year. It's just Winton's best guess as to the year.

[@quantumblurrr]

Mark Mendel What an idiot! Everyone knows the year will be 2020

[@michaelpalmieri7335]

Actually, George Orwell called his book "1984" because he finished writing it in 1948 and reversed the last two digits of that year (the book was officially published the next year).

[@welshinc5782]

Michael Palmieri that's sadly a common myth. It went through a few titles (1980, 1982, 1948 and the last man in Europe). His publish changed the name to 1984 so it would be more marketable and the only reason he chose that date is it's a ref rename to his wife's poem 'the end of the world, 1984' and their love for Jack Londons book The Iron Heel, which takes place in the same year

[@chrishoover18]

The TRUE year is April 2024. The capitalism rules as as it stands. The name of the capitalist are #1 Google #2 Facebook #3 Twitter All privately owned. (Capital) In 2024 when 5G dominates the world capitalism we be a thing of the past for all that have not capitalized for the union of all the world to gather as one people....The Human Race.

[@AnalyticalChick]

It should be renamed to 2030

[@saucevc8353]

As someone with pretty bad memory and self doubt issues, the idea that at any time the government could just completely change what is true and what is false and no one would even acknowledge that anything changed at all is terrifying to me. Because I could totally see myself falling for that.

[@reclusiarchgrimaldus1269]

Do you have ADHD?

[@meoff7602]

Good lord, no. Any change is like pulling teeth. What's easy is keeping what is normal going. You think can fall into a dystopian future written in 1984. We are in fact coming out of it. It's why you can find real.qirld examples. Heck, study history. The other examples fo way back in time. Changing is hard. Maintaining is easy.

[@JamesTDG]

Chances are that it did happen once and it's absolutely scary

[@TheRealNintendoKid]

it's happening now.

[@alejandrabarron3977]

this happened after WW2 where with help from the US japan deleted any trace or documents of Unit 731 the most horrible atrocities ever committed and in japan for a few decades it was just an accepted fact that Unit 731 never happened and that it was just a fictional story until somebody proved otherwise by leaking the immunity deal between japan and the us@@JamesTDG

[@bleachdrinker632]

*This video has been removed by the Thought Poilce*

[@billanderson5580]

genaricname69 On floor 2007

[@danielrauch5526]

bleach drinker thot police

[@namingisdifficult408]

bleach drinker it has been destroyed by Minitru

[@josh52828]

*POILCE*

[@knotthensa159]

Wait... Thought police = youtube.

[@George-real]

Just finished the book today and it’s honestly soul crushing

[@colinstewart1432]

As many have already said. Wasn't supposed to be an instruction manual. Orwell would turn in his grave if he could see the world now

[@Nermeen.]

I finished it yesterday and I agree with your expression...

[@jeffreypmurphy2352]

A boot on a man's face. Forever.

[@BurnDoubt]

At the beginning of the lockdowns I loaded up the audiobook. It was bedtime and I thought I was going to fall asleep to it. 10 and a half hours later I'm on the edge of the bed with my mouth hanging open wondering if Orwell really was a time traveler

[@George-real]

@@BurnDoubt ya lmao, I’m not surprised we don’t read that book in school anymore

[@AnOptimisticNihilist]

One of my favorite theories about this book is that Oceania, Eurasia, Eastasia and all that never actually happened, but that unfair only exists in Great Britain, with nobody knowing any better because they are completely cut off from the rest of the world.

[@Ayr-me7vb]

That's why it's such a great book, there's so many different theories you can come up with about it :) its one of the reasons I'm glad no-one can milk it for sequels bc I know that they would explain and ruin everything

[@phantomsoldier497]

It is suggested at one point that probably there is no war, there is no Oceania, Eurasia or Eastasia and not even a Big Brother. Since the truth is decided by the party we don't know what is real or what is not and the truth is nothing more than a instrument of the party

[@URProductions]

That's kind of like North Korea. They literally don't know anything about the outside world.

[@Am_Yeff]

@@URProductions the people of north Korea at least know something even if highly twisted by propaganda, in 1984 nobody knows anything

[@trippymartian8847]

@@Am_Yeff ye it’s pretty far gone

[@karenhall4645]

I had to read Animal Farm in eighth grade and there are some deep themes even in that book. Since then I heard more about George Orwell and 1984, so I finally decided to read it, and am more amazed every day how prophetic it actually is.

[@pe8403]

Hi - I have been a fan of Orwell and his books for some time. I am English and his writing comes from an English age of literature that is a really great source of reflection on how state control has emerged to control more and more of the individual. Read also Aldous Huxley and his amazing book Brave New World. He experimented with LSD and became very interested in modern philosophy. But the main point is about these books like 1984 and Brave New World is that they were a warning. But unfortunately the warning has not been taken seriously and have in fact provided a blue print for those currently in charge of China, Russia and North Korea. And not let's forget the attempt by Donald Trump to use fake news and claim everyone else was producing fake news against him, to stay in power and stage an attempted coup at Capital Hill. The US needs to think clearly about who they trust in government and why people like Trump got away with becoming the worst president of the US in history, and then attempt to overthrow the newly elected President with violence and lies. ( Newspeak )

[@meoff7602]

He did his research. It's not prophecy. It's a documentary.

[@dannyarcher6370]

Animal Farm is an incoherent pile of dogshit. Hard to believe that the same guy wrote 1984.

[@sm1purplmurderedme583]

animal farm is amazing

[@dannyarcher6370]

@@sm1purplmurderedme583 It's an incoherent and boring mess. 1984 much better.

[@georgedrippington1610]

INGSOC: "Reality can be whatever i want"

[@robertsmalls2293]

Owen Wilson Thanos is a registered INGSOC Party voter.

[@robertsmalls2293]

Griff oneca He works for INGSOC, using his infinity gauntlet to spy on people.

[@williamhall6651]

What do you mean Owen? What you want IS reality.

[@georgedrippington1610]

@@williamhall6651 i want a bitch with a fat cake to beat the skin off my dick but sadly that is not reality

[@SkylerArmor]

@@georgedrippington1610 same Owen. Same

[@VideoGameAnimationStudy]

So Ingsoc is KZbin and the Proles are the Comments Section?

[@wheelbender5554]

Dan Root But just like in the book the proles are powerless

[@Bloodlyshiva]

KZbin itself-even the Internet itself-is the sort of thing that might be created to service the Proles. The point is to keep them....satisfied and patriotic enough to keep paying their taxes and do more work. As the book(Not just '1984' but 'the book-Goldstein's book') puts it 'They are allowed intellectual freedom because they have no intellect.' Any truly dangerous thinkers are marked down and destroyed. Think of all the little arguments and comment arguments and cat videoes and memes and so on. Meanwhile the entire country is just crumbling and breaking down.

[@the1exnay]

we have always been at war with reddit

[@Kirill-Ivanov2002]

2% are KZbin Heroes.

[@wheelbender5554]

But If it's like the book then the heroes are actually just undercover ingsoc members

[@bassrocks4419]

1984 is by far the darkest book I’ve ever read. I felt physically ill reading the last third of it

[@TheFamousMockingbird]

Idk Lolita is a pretty fucking dark book

[@glsa5482]

I still remember the last part, when the torture happened. The whole mental to made feel so bad, as if it was happening to me but in a different level. Orwell did a great job with this book.

[@Gazmus]

but wait...I'm running out of book pretty quickly but there's still time for it to turn around and for things to start getting better...then it just keeps barrelling down hill as you have less and less left to read and you lose hope as characters you're reading about do the same. Only read it once, had to go re-read The Road after to cheer meself up :)

[@bassrocks4419]

Gazmus Exactly. I kept thinking that Winston would end up destroy the Ministry of Love from the inside or there would be some sort of rebellion in England, but it just never happened

[@fonegamer5050]

Johnny Got His Gun *shivers*

[@EternityUnknown]

The last few chapters of the book push any creative person's mentality to a level of stress that I didn't even know was possible.

[@Thatonellama63]

“They’re afraid of love, cause love makes a world they can’t control”

[@danieldudin4071]

And what about the love of Big brother ?

[@carealoo744]

@@danieldudin4071 I think there was some-sort of Irony, in That-Final-Line.

[@carealoo744]

@Josef and The Amazing Technicolor Lampshade ... Okay. Sorry, what are You saying?

[@muslimreactionary2350]

“ Big Brother is all about love. Why don't you see ? The Big Brother is too afraid to let you go ! He's always behind you every step you make, every breath you take. He's simply very caring about you that if you're not sharing with him the love he profess toward you, he's either renew faith and love in you or simply destroy you ! Look at it this way, if he does not love you then why he even care about you ? ”

[@comesahorseman]

@Ben Shapiro's Yamaka hence, the war against marriage and the family?

[@mothmilk4041]

For those wondering, yes, this is infact, literally 1984

[@glenchapman3899]

And for those who research, the book is about conditions in the Soviet Union in 1948

[@Perry_the_Clobbopus]

Thanks for telling us, we wouldn't have known without you telling us since there are no funni colors

[@Imgoingtokillyourdog]

@@Perry_the_Clobbopus Some people tell me it's about this guy called Brandon. But those people tend to have the crazy eyes of a person who hasn't slept in months, and feed their children "oils" when they're sick, rather than take them to a hospital. Or belive dead people are coming back to be governors or something. I dunno, they can't read so I dunno why they telling me about books.

[@michaelnevsky7622]

You actually don't know whether it is 1984. Winston just guessed the year at the beginning of the story and that's it

[@aslightidiot]

@@Imgoingtokillyourdog Actually, that is my name. My name is Brandon lel

[@mammothmk3355]

To put it in simple term: *Those who control the information, Control the World*

[@hastytkd5768]

Knowledge is power.

[@rodU65]

@almightyinferno power corrupts, absolute power corrupts all.

[@Lolinatorishere]

Only if everyone in the world does the same read the book between 240 and 280 pages goldestein knows what he's talking about

[@Lolo50000]

@@rodU65 you might even say it...corrupts absolutely

[@daddylonglegs3698]

Hastytkd Lmao.

[@isaacpfeiffer4347]

Most people read this book and see it as a warning, but it's scary how some read it as an instruction manual.

[@Overthinking-rain]

My first mistake was reading it like an instruction manual

[@alfalldoot6715]

Everyone who disagrees with me uses it as a manual

[@j.c.k.8639]

What do you mean?

[@Overthinking-rain]

@@j.c.k.8639 He means that they read the book as a manual of "what to do if you find yourself living in a dictatorship" but in reality it is a warning of why we should not let a dictatorship happen

[@j.c.k.8639]

@@Overthinking-rain ahh, oki... Viva la revolution

[@a2falcone]

A dystopia that feels more current is "Brave new world", by Aldous Huxley. These words by Neil Postman describe the differences and would make anyone realize why "Brave New World" is more relevant now: "What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one. Orwell feared those who would deprive us of information. Huxley feared those who would give us so much that we would be reduced to passivity and egotism. Orwell feared that the truth would be concealed from us. Huxley feared the truth would be drowned in a sea of irrelevance. Orwell feared we would become a captive culture. Huxley feared we would become a trivial culture, preoccupied with some equivalent of the feelies, the orgy porgy, and the centrifugal bumblepuppy. As Huxley remarked in Brave New World Revisited, the civil libertarians and rationalists who are ever on the alert to oppose tyranny "failed to take into account man's almost infinite appetite for distractions." In 1984, Orwell added, people are controlled by inflicting pain. In Brave New World, they are controlled by inflicting pleasure. In short, Orwell feared that our fear will ruin us. Huxley feared that our desire will ruin us."

[@stefm.w.3640]

@Yoshi Does Stuff tl;dr: we are brainwashing ourselves using the internet. fuck :(

[@sovietunion7643]

and yet there are some of us who see that we are screwed, and even see that we may just perceive we are screwed by our depression, and just start to welcome the extinction of man, even if we are wrong

[@a2falcone]

@@user-pi4su6je8p I understand. But while society seems to be getting closer to A Brave New World, the threat of a 1984-type dystopia has decreased. In the year 1984, Communist dictatorships were still ruling a big part of the world and totalitarianism seemed like an imminent global threat. Today, totalitarianism is a shadow of what it was. Even big dictatorships like China have been getting a bit more free. Any dystopia will likely reflect parts of our current reality. Lies, oppression and war have always existed. But I wouldn't say they're becoming the biggest threat right now. On a side note, fake news aren't very 1984-ish. 1984 shows an all-powerful State in direct control of all the media, blatantly lying to the helpless citizen who doesn't have any other source of information. It's centralized lies that go from the top to the bottom. Fake news are something Orwell could've never dreamed of. When technology gave everyone the freedom to produce and consume information (something unthinkable in a totalitarian regime), the people became bombarded with tons of information of dubious quality, coming from different sources and presenting contradicting views. By sharing that information, it was the people who became the propagators of lies: a decentralized and horizontal scheme of disinformation. In a way, that sounds quite Brave New World-ish.

[@jackdoggulas6217]

It’s like Robert Frost’s Fire and Ice

[@bperez003]

Bro you care too much about this. Just start a reddit forum and don’t type a year long comment ahahha

[@wisdom-for-life]

Awesome breakdown and take on 1984 man! Different from the other reviews I've seen. Thanks for making this.

[@wisdom-for-life]

@There is Nothing Bro.. that's a minor detail.. Overall it's an interesting take on 1984. Have a valid argument next time you want to criticize something. Or at least offer something constructive.

[@jessiehendrikse_1754]

@@wisdom-for-life sad this is happening as we speak

[@Zestybot3475]

@There is Nothing it’s his opinion

[@patriot17764th]

ik it's really detailed.

[@dahleno2014]

Bruh this isn’t a review or a take. This is an explanation of the society in the book.

[@elektra81516]

Ingsoc is the government equivalent to the "it has always been" meme

[@thatbasedfeliscatus577]

Pretty much

[@Agent-Blaze]

"Always has been" - Impostor to among us crewmate, somewhere in space

[@juliomanuel1885]

So Ingsoc is basically a what if Ohio took over the world.

[@christophertaylor6079]

Ingsoc means English socialism in Newspeak... the book is amazing a must read. The dread and feelings the book creates while you read is real, so much he wrote is mirrored in today’s political atmosphere and society.

[@liberallis6396]

Yet you're a mask wearing meme yourself.

[@calpal6249]

The fact Orwell managed to make such a masterpiece while dying of TB. It’s crazy.

[@expendable1015]

He who conquers the past, commands the future.

[@dddmemaybe]

Know thy self, know thy enemy. A thousand battles, a thousand victories. - Sun Tzu It is better to conquer yourself than to win a thousand battles. Then the victory is yours. It cannot be taken from you, not by angels or by demons, heaven or hell. - Buddha

[@GuestYouTubeUser]

You mean the present?

[@expendable1015]

@@GuestKZbinUser It's a Command and Conquer reference

[@Tehnodinaroid]

And who controls the present, controls the past.

[@josephgodinez112]

Red alert basically

[@edwardblair4096]

The most memorable thing from 1984 was how every small event in the ongoing war was described as producing "measurable progress" towards the successful conclusion of the war. The phrasing implies that there will be an end, but is meaningless as to how much, or in what way, the event under discussion contributed to the progress. Presumably this is a reflection of Orwell's experience in the last few years of WW2 with a long list of battles fought all across the world.

[@SK-le1gm]

The USA just left Afghanistan after almost 20 years of “measurable progress”. Funny how that works 🍻

[@genekelly8467]

Like the USA "war" in Afghanistan-battles fought, no victories, just enormous expenditures benefitting the arms industry. Many generals careers made by 20 years in this endless war.

[@cockoffgewgle4993]

One of the most literally prescient aspects is the idea of 3 superpowers engaging in continuous proxy wars. That's what's been happening for the last 20 years at least. Certainly between the US and Russia, at least. Syria, particularly, was just that.

[@Squatwithsquall]

Sounds like Covid just get the jab and it will stop

[@trentp8035]

Ukraine will be the same, endless wars

[@zaleshomeowner3493]

Spoilers for the book. Do also keep in mind it’s been a while since I’ve read 1984. When I finished 1984, what I took away from it was that everything that we have been told over the course of the book, through Winston’s eyes, was all a lie. We are told basically everything that you said in the video, but the ending gives off a weird feeling of complete doubt about the situation of the world at large. Is there actually a war between the 3 powers? Do the other 3 powers even exist? Is everything just controlled by Oceania? Is Oceania actually an incredibly small refuge of human life amid a world long since destroyed by atomic war? We don’t know, because The Party has complete control over reality. I need to reread 1984.

[@craigboden9455]

The authors way of saying "see how easy it is to sow doubt and confusion" maybe?

[@Tony-The-Motherfucking-Tiger]

Important thing is the theory that the bombs that fall sometimes are not sent by Eurasia or Eastasia but by Oceania itself to keep the illusion of being in war.

[@soughnymaugh]

That’s what great about it. There are so many theories. It could be that the rest of the world is ‘normal’ and it’s just Britain that’s become like North Korea.

[@AverageAlien]

@@soughnymaugh that theory is just a cope for people that want a happier ending. The reality which is most likely is that the rest of the world has been wiped out

[@gluestickgenius2644]

@@AverageAlien That's just a cope for people who need cynism as a shield. Based on the text, both theories are equally likely.

[@tommasoastaldi2513]

The only sliver of optimism in 1984 is when it explains newspeak after the end of the book: "Newspeak was". WAS. That single verb is the only word in the entire novel that makes us think that the world of 1984 will ever cease to exist.

[@robertagren9360]

Newspeak was outdated since it later was no need of speaking to one and another

[@BRG1807]

Plenty of examples of dictatorships falling simply because when the people unite what can they do

[@tommasoastaldi2513]

@Subby1807 many dictatorships only work when they successfully pit people against each other and make them afraid of everyone who's "different"

[@NorthernNorthdude91749]

@@BRG1807 The people CAN'T unite in 1984 though. That's the thing. INGSOC has removed the very concept of personal liberty from Human psyche.

[@BRG1807]

@@NorthernNorthdude91749 doesnt make it impossimble though it takes 1 man to plant the seed

[@kobaltapollodorus8922]

Orwell: *Publishes 1984* "Yo, guys, totalitarianism is bad. Read this book, it'll scare you shitless." Me: "Oh my god, this is the most terrifying book I've ever read in my entire life!" Politicians: "Ooh! Look, an instruction manual!"

[@99batran]

Kai M.K. Bullock *North Korea

[@red2theelectricboogaloo961]

North Korea : oh! This is a good idea.

[@denizyuksel5093]

Kai M.K. Bullock Not really. This book is not written to make you scare, but rather to warn you.

[@kobaltapollodorus8922]

Why not both?

[@taurohkea2169]

u think nsa is not watching u?

[@braindeadgaming808]

I need this as a comparison with the book and my discord server rules

[@zeppelinwarscommunity9969]

True

[@Robbie-pc1dl]

lol

[@TheKnightDrag0n]

If a server have more than 5 rules it's trash and it will eventually become a wasteland.

[@Artood4R2]

"LiTtErAlLy 1984"

[@mikep6726]

"you will not send anime feet pics in general".... Orwellian

[@sandwich434]

I’m sure that many of you have heard this popular paradox before: The following statement is true. The previous statement is false. Logically, this cannot be and it breaks one’s own brain trying to comprehend it. However there is a solution. Just use doublethink and both statements can be simultaneously true. Because with doublethink two contradictory statements can both be true.

[@michael3069]

Yes, exactly! There is no objective truth, that B.S. The truth is just what you think it is.

[@sandwich434]

Jacques Voigt if Michael Robert were to die, then how could anyone prove that he was ever alive? Photos can be tampered with and memories are in one’s head. What if Michael Robert’s existence was all just a part of the Mandela Effect? Of course, we know in our world that memories are real. But George Orwell explores a very interesting philosophy in 1984.

[@Legion849]

This comment does not exist and it never happened. Citizen you have been mistaken

[@Furyhunter85]

Thruth has no value only facts does, if you control what is facts there is no need for true/false, good/bad true/false is based on opinion facts is not, to quote barney stinson new is always better, do you really erase something? or do you just point out the facts! One of the fascinating things to think about is the major scale you have to manipulate rewrite or call it fact printing, to erase someone from the collective mind of everybody is no small feat, everything you ever touched needs to be rewritten and mind scrubbed, without the use of drugs or mind altering in the populace this would be near impossible, even dumb masses that can't read still have memories, to not make things spread you would have to rewrite people that remember almost simultanious. I would guess the book has alot more juice and meat on the subject then the movie, havent read the book its near impossible for me to sit still and focus for that long

[@blobbee8943]

PROOF INGSOC IS REAL AND RULES US ALL

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

My favorite type of person who talks about 1984 is the one that never read it, it’s amazing to see

[@Aaron067]

The comments here are full of those people

[@averyseriousguy5784]

what actually happened in 1984 The Soviets invented tetris

[@kaiserkiefer1760]

A VERY SERIOUS GUY the most important invention of mankind

[@averyseriousguy5784]

KAISER KIEFER beside sliced bread and chair

[@kaiserkiefer1760]

A VERY SERIOUS GUY indeed

[@kirbythemusician5625]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/b3fZZparjr95eZI

[@falendemo546]

A VERY SERIOUS GUY --- Soviet also invented "The Witcher" series (if don't know The Witcher was created in Communist Poland).

[@theslavicbear4676]

Fun Fact: *This book was banned in the entirety of the eastern bloc.*

[@MinMinn192]

It's not banned anymore, at least in the Baltic States where I live. Recently bought it in a normal bookstore, and the police have yet to show up at my house.

[@theslavicbear4676]

@@MinMinn192 , understand that I said 'was', during the later Soviet era it was banned. It's not banned anymore, though.

[@knsdknsd6817]

.

[@Cyborg_Lenin]

Not in Russia tis not. I had to read it in college.

[@Joseph_417]

The Slavic Bear I saw you in the comments of the Filipino national anthem

[@equalssign44]

“The ministry of peace who wage war. The ministry of love who kill all. The ministry of truth who spread nothing but lies. And the ministry of plenty, who keep the proles in poverty.”

[@samuelfischman6949]

this is dubbleplusungood bourgeois propaganda the thought police are on their way.

[@AcidTripOk]

Sounds like Venezuela to me.

[@elizabethhawkins9837]

The ministry of love was to propagate love of Big Brother or die if you failed to love. the same with the other ministries.E.g What is truth, also there was no war. To a point the book itself was doublethink

[@larenzdechavez442]

Anti vax, flat earth logic

[@elizabethhawkins9837]

@@larenzdechavez442 Nice try, I'm a scientist. You're not very good at this are you

[@nicholasjones3207]

Don’t just read it. Read it when you are young for curiosity, then revisit it at points throughout life as you know more about propaganda and politics. It’s a great book

[@Tuppoo94]

Why am I not surprised that this book was banned in the Soviet Union and the Eastern Bloc?

[@nes3sese734]

Cuz it's pretty obvious

[@LilRotte3]

You've got to be really special to think that life in the USSR was like that.

[@lazaruspurity5568]

Mikoyanshik What was it like?

[@lazaruspurity5568]

Mikoyanshik You where alive back then?

[@LilRotte3]

Anything but being fed synthetic food and being constantly under the watch.

[@chrisderr28]

This book serves as both a warning and tutorial on how endless tyranny would be very possible

[@geonet3965]

And so does "Brave New World"

[@mr.gilbert2790]

Endless tyranny began with the dawn of civilisation

[@dovhadark7108]

@@mr.gilbert2790 VErY sMarT COmmeNt aBoVe

[@robirvine6970]

Nonsense. This type of goverment Cound never exist, no one is going to bother taking over a society they then don't rule.

[@evdestroy5304]

@James Sunderland Also a good book

[@nmmm2000]

It is strange, but Oceania could be just the Airstrip One (UK) and rest of the world to be "normal". And everything else to be propaganda. The antagonist never really go outside the Airstrip One and never really saw the war or anything else outside the Airstrip One.

[@calvincasis3993]

Yea you have a point just like in the movie “V”

[@TripWagstaff5213]

That’s my theory too

[@harper277]

Living in Britain feels like the rest of the world is a distant memory or a holiday destination.

[@drakep.5857]

That's always been my theory. That airstrip 1 is a north korea-like nation.

[@neinzukorruption9321]

Yes. And Russia may not be the pure evil. Try to start a rational discussion. Good Luck. Was a good thing to have known you. At least until my brain gets washed.

[@iana6713]

The line that gets me is O'Brien's remark to Winston Smith: "If you want to imagine the future, picture a boot stamping on a human face... forever." I may not have quoted the line exactly as it is in the book, but the meaning is there and it's a terrifying thought.

[@Adventures_For_Miles]

Just finished this book and I feel empty inside. I thought there would be some climax but Winston is just broken. Sad as hell man. Also the part about him not being able to prove he is “real” is super dark.

[@MrCrystal09]

Derealization?

[@eatyourcereal6577]

Also the fact that when he and Julia part, the lyrics of the chestnut tree finally make sense, it's a punch in the stomach lol. I literally just finished reading it half an hour ago and I feel so hopeless lol

[@sarasamaletdin4574]

I don’t really know how he got that brainwashed. Broken certainly, it’s a miracle he can function. But why he thinks he loves Big Brother I don’t know. Maybe they put some chemicals in or some of the brainwashing was off screen

[@darkchocolate1083]

Well apparently, the appendix of the book refers to the regime in the past tense, so at least it seems Ingsoc gets overthrown eventually.

[@thevfxwizard7758]

The scariest part is that even the highly educated inner party don't care about the oppression. They have heard all counter arguments, and yet still are able to hold their beliefs through double think.

[@Janua7ies]

@tek merion no.

[@Janua7ies]

@tek merion You are actually sending that link to others user comment (in this video tho) and also doing a self promotion too. Even that link brings to your video in your channel, I'll respect it.

[@justbecause7402]

@tek merino talking about spamming when you literally copy paste this under every comment

[@apocalypsator6]

Because it hurts to do otherwise. They care only enough to ensure that all party members understand this. The Proles don't care at all.

[@ScurvySeamate]

Twitter users

[@C_odysseus]

“Loyal and too stupid to question it” that resonates with me.

[@fordgt5383]

Conservative patriots in one sentence

[@jackiebiskan4748]

@@fordgt5383 sjw they are all Loyal in thinking the patriarchy is evil and need to be taken down

[@seanparker3386]

Trump supporters

[@C_odysseus]

@@seanparker3386 you’re blind if you don’t see it on both sides friend.

[@seanparker3386]

@@C_odysseus actually biden supporters have been very critical of him recently. Trump could kill someone and his idiot supporters would still cheer for him

[@POSSUM_chowg]

"It was all a dream. It never happened. There is no cornucopia in the Fruit of the Loom logo."

[@themagus5906]

, said...."(fill in the blank)". I can't wait.

[@93FilmsandMedia]

❤❤❤❤

[@SoundblasterYT]

"All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others."

[@kenudice9841]

Thank you, Napoleon.

[@toxiccommenter6540]

Wrong book love

[@pretzelboi86]

wrong book

[@kenudice9841]

@Pretzel Boi Same Author, same theme.

[@JohanKylander]

Animal Farm

[@ZoggFromBetelgeuse]

Arguing with an inner party member is like playing chess with a Cardassian pigeon : No matter how good you play, he will rewrite the rules, define black as white and white as black, and strap your face to a cage with hungry rats.

[@bluelamboblackpresident6111]

Please upload again. I found your channel when you were a few months into your drought and seeing your account made me remember how good your videos are. If you gave up on YT at least know that I love your videos

[@timtrotman6779]

Eric Thorson SJWs have nothing to do with nihilism, and has maybe a tangential relation to 1984. I don't think you understand what nihilism means

[@timtrotman6779]

Eric Thorson SJWs believe in equality (I assume for this argument). Nihilism is the concept that life, or the world, has no distinct meaning or purpose. Nihilists believe that there are no true morals. Therefore if anything SJWs go against nihilism. I guess if you mean "in common" you mean absolutely no connection/polar opposite (depending on your definition) then yes they're "in common"

[@timtrotman6779]

Eric Thorson you are rambling so much here that you're muddying your own point. The definitions are different/contradictory. I'm not even touching what you said.

[@LaChicadelaMalta]

Eric Thorson Then that's because you haven't read the book, since what she said is EXACTLY how the Party is depicted in it

[@MrGundawindy]

Given recent history and the way "society" is headed, I think more people need to revive this old classic.

[@angusyates828]

Precisely.

[@oneghost1257]

Worth noting that the book wasn't a blanket prediction for the future but a prediction for the future, if the environment of unpopular dietary control ration couponing in WW2 Britain never stopped and NATO became a country. That's more or less what Orwell was worried about.

[@Seen420]

Wait till emos be like: omg he’s literally me

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

Haven’t heard/seen someone say emo in years, Christ alive

[@andyroobrick-a-brack9355]

No, it's not just a direction we're headed. Everything, from the United States, to Russia, to England, etc, all of it makes 1984 real. If there's a larger entity pushing any kind of mythological ideology, it's oppressive.

[@Blaze6108]

One thing that our teacher noted about 1984 is that all of its surveillance is built with technology that exists in reality, and I will add that even the more sci-fi aspects like auto-generated entertainment for the proles are quickly becoming reality nowadays. The only thing that marks the distinction between a society becoming such a dystopia or not is pure political will.

[@charlesthebrick5251]

Published 1949 and the time period is 1984. That is 35 years. 1984 is 35 years before....2019 *woah*

[@ThunderTheBlackShadowKitty]

Shh! They'll hear you. Shit, what was that noise?

[@Brachlo]

charlesthebrick It also apparently enters the public domain next year I think

[@williamhall6651]

@@ThunderTheBlackShadowKitty say something else so we know they didn't get you!

[@ThunderTheBlackShadowKitty]

@@williamhall6651 Shit! Uhh...umm...Eurasia sucks ingsoc is way better!!

[@MrRhombus]

Quick Math!

[@wafflecougar-online]

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

[@palaceofwisdom9448]

The White House has asked that your comment be fact checked as false and for all social media outlets to ban you for it.

[@G-Mastah-Fash]

-Josef Goebbels

[@someone-wh2rb]

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." - Adolf Hitler

[@furioussherman7265]

The Mandela Effect on a political scale. Chilling.

[@kx7500]

Such as “we won the election” by trumpists

[@robertlafayette2715]

And remember kids: "1984" is a cautionary tale,and NOT an instruction manual!

[@Lorddacenshadowind]

but I was going to take over Mexico :(

[@kd8bxp]

That comment doesn't exists.

[@MrDrProffPatrick]

You read it I assume?

[@robertlafayette2715]

@@MrDrProffPatrick Yes, multiple times. Airstrip One is a miserable place to live...

[@MrDrProffPatrick]

@@robertlafayette2715 and winston's tale? is that not a manual on quiet rebellion?

[@Books-and-coffee0]

I'm currently halfway through the book. I'm telling you, I've read over 400 books in my life and I'm sure, before even finishing it that it'll definitely earn a place in my top 10 books of all time.

[@thundafundamentalist]

Name them. Please.

[@davidjuliusgoldbergoosdodd5173]

This needs to be at the top of the KZbin explore page right Now.

[@looinrims]

David Dodds why? It’s just the book, go read it

[@crimson6952]

Especially July 2020

[@crimson6952]

@@looinrims You are dumb

[@looinrims]

Antonio Salviano ooooh was the implication that we’re anywhere near a tri power division of the planet under a shadow government that has us at its mercy? That’s pretty stupid, but I mean I did straight up ask why, thanks for all the answers that op-I can’t even continue this is too fucking stupid try again next time

[@looinrims]

Christian Lopez no because people aren’t being turned into myths for their wrongthink, as of now it’s us who perpetuate it by giving google and the others our business, it’s not even remotely in the same hemisphere

[@historygirl6732]

What Orwell did to make this book: *Combines USSR and Nazi Germany and cranks it up to eleven* Orwell: perfection.

[@roji4423]

Its basically similar to North Korea.

[@TheStarcoMarco]

@ Nazbol?

[@OldNavajoTricks]

Nazi Gulags... Nazgul... ...

[@looinrims]

No, Nazism and Communism are only relatable in an economic sense of extensive rationing and socialist policies, Both were built on the idea of war to spread their influence, war that makes progress and ends in victory, 1984’s world is reliant on war making no progress, to fail to achieve any objective worth a damn, and they didn’t have the total control over information, this may be due to foreign meddling and the fact that most of their subjects weren’t apart of their nations but rather conquered or puppeted, not loyal to the regime.

[@OldNavajoTricks]

Every Empire had Citizens (I.E. Motherland citizens) and subjects, Roman citizens/Roman subjects, British citizens/British subjects, Prussian, Portuguese, French, every damned one, A Citizen can reasonably be expected to be loyal to their home country, but why would a man with a boot on his neck praise the boot...

[@geoffreybrockmeier3765]

No exaggeration, this novel changed my life. The way I understand history, economics, war, the madness of politics, and most importantly the insane drive some people have for power… my outlook on all these things changed completely after I read and reread this novel. So many people who talk about this book understand the “what” and the “how” of Big Brother. What the book is generally about, and how Big Brother maintains control. But what about the “why?” This is where I think most people cannot stomach the central point of the story. Power. It’s a horrifying truth that every person needs to understand to see the world for what it is, and for what humanity can become.

[@АлексейТабаков-ы8в]

And the state should be abolished, right? Will you suggest that as a solution? Marx and Engels proposed that.

[@geoffreybrockmeier3765]

@@АлексейТабаков-ы8в Abolish the State entirely, or accept Big Brother… are those the only two options?

[@patnor7354]

Has become

[@crawwwfishh3284]

Power brings greed. Greed brings power. If you think this is scary. Read the original KING JAMES BIBLE.

[@geoffreybrockmeier3765]

@@crawwwfishh3284 way ahead of you. One of the ways this novel changed my life was by asking God to save us. He did. Been a believer for 15 years now. :)

[@custodiansrock]

I read this book in high school as it was required reading. Never thought parts of it would begin in my lifetime. We were warned.

[@heroicpower3479]

Why doesn't 1984 have a good ending?

[@humanwhodoesstuffindeed]

@@heroicpower3479 because it's speculative fiction.

[@FreyR_Kunn]

You either barely read it or lacked media literacy. The book was political satire. There is no thought police, there is no double think, there is no unpersoning.

[@Man77772]

Bro stop taking it so seriously if our lives were like 1984 we wouldn’t even be able to talk about how our lives were like 1984

[@Loreofw0rlds]

"I win the debate because I made the language." -The Party, somewhere around 1984

[@plaguedoctorjamespainshe6009]

Uh-oh looks like someone is commiting a tought crime

[@wannabeaussie5809]

Me: Jeffery Epstein didn't kill himself INGSOC: Is that a thought crime there boi?

[@lyrical8067]

Jeff who?

[@Icetea-2000]

[Epstein killed himself and Epstein never existed] is what you must say by the order of the thought police

[@slk7376]

Oopsy Daisy! You did a Thwught cwime! Now you have to go in the *[Never existed]* BOX

[@zanderman004]

Gasp! Ministry of Love for you!

[@jayazathoth8530]

@@wade4776 You'd make a great Oceanian.

[@covid-2320]

*[THIS COMMENT WAS DELETED BY THE MINISTRY OF LOVE]*

[@Live-qf2lg]

[IT WAS NEVER THERE]

[@Graham226]

Whoa. We overthrown INGSOC. Glory to the USA

[@androman7773]

It should be removed by minitrue

[@Graham226]

[THIS PRO INGSOC COMMENT WAS DELETED BY THE PROVISIONAL GOVERNMENT] The INGSOC party has been executed, the people are celebrating, may this new government be wise and fair

[@kevray]

Ministry of Love is scary

[@theundeadkaiser1512]

I push my fingers into my eyes because this Orwell book is definitely a foretelling of the 21 century

[@norbertjaworski6621]

it isssssss ITS TEH ONLY THING THAT SLWOLKY

[@jonathandelplanque6051]

1984 is not in the past, it is when time was stopped by the Party so it could be many years or decades into an undefined future. In the book, when Winston is released from the Ministry of Love it is clearly the following year but there is no mention of 1985, it is implied that it is still 1984. To quote from the book, "To begin with, he did not know with any certainty that this was 1984"

[@arkcliref]

yeah, and even if it's in 1984, the Oceania stuff can easily be faked. Remember that they have such a censored society that even the size of Oceania can be faked and all of this is just Britain all along and the war or heck, the other powers don't exist at all.

[@dunnyboy3444]

Maybe that's why back to the future is about getting back to 1985 🤔🤔🤔🤔😳

[@Kodeb8]

George Orwell: here's my new book, 1984! Kim Jong-il: Write that down! *WRITE THAT DOWN!*

[@timothyday5187]

It was actually Kim il-sung, just like to point that out

[@unsungheroes9140]

Is it true even that Kim il sung read 1984?

[@bemotivated8443]

It’s not just him the entire world seems like it is trying to copy this

[@stevengreen9536]

@@bemotivated8443 Unfortunately but the funny thing is.It is used these days as a political blunt object to bash opposition.Instead of ppl heeding the warning George Orwell was trying to give the world when he wrote it.I fear we might very well be heading that way if western politics can't restore some degree of sanity in the coming years.Should current trends continue.

[@Legion849]

The irony is 1984 was supposed to be a warning not an instruction manual. Welcome to 1984

[@kittytac1147]

The subtitles render "Ingsoc" as "In Sock" Hahahah-- *ARRESTED BY THOUGHT POLICE*

[@omaralsaadi1751]

+Owen Harrison-Townsend You just mentioned KittyTac , you have commited a thought crime *gets arrested and sent to ministry of love* ~Thought Police

[@8ballentertainment.885]

BEGONE THOTS!!!!!!

[@LotsaJunk]

begone thought criminal

[@thecosmiclatte8080]

ATTENTION, THIS IS THE THOUGHT POLICE, AND WE WILL FIND YOU, RYAN *thoughts intensifies*

[@helenhawkins2107]

I read something interesting about how Orwell predicted the use of surveillance cameras. He did not however predict that we would buy and install them ourselves. Like baby monitors, ring doorbells, cameras on our phones, in-house cctv etc.

[@maxyi2672]

The fact that the author Orwell died only half a year after the book got published sends me more chills than the book itself.

[@peterknutsen3070]

Orwell knew he was dying, so he rushed to finish the book and get it published. If he hadn't been in a hurry, he might have been able to create a better, subtler novel.

[@richardmillhousenixon]

@@spiffygonzales5899 I mean you can literally read Orwell's Wikipedia article yourself

[@ASlickNamedPimpback]

Yeah, of tuberculosis.

[@marcosmota1094]

@@peterknutsen3070 If you read *"Keep the Aspidistra Flying"* you will see how much he copied from it Julia, Winston, and the fat neighbor. He fleshed out '84 as fast as possible to get to the main messages.

[@cockoffgewgle4993]

@@peterknutsen3070 The novel is a masterpiece.

[@mitchboland9591]

You have to love how people from both the left and the right will leave a comment along the lines of “this is already happening! Open your eyes!” and believe it’s the other side’s fault

[@johnnymcknight2330]

Who’s fault is it then?

[@MJAce85]

I agree with you mostly. I'm on the right, but don't for one second think any one side has no blame to take, or no blood on their hands. Left wing and right wing belong to the same bird. And the two party system and voting only exists to give us the illusion that we have a choice. I have plenty more political clichés to throw out there, but they're true

[@lufe8773]

@@MJAce85 Mate too true. It seems most people and news outlets base their views upon which side of politics they are on. Truth is their truth and the sad thing is educated people cannot see bias and twist the version of events to suit their political beliefs rather than principle. I guess it is just simpler to view a complicated world that way.

[@grandmasteryoda3430]

@@MJAce85 I’m on the left and those points are valid. Orwell’s book was critical of both parties, leading it to be banned in the US and the USSR

[@apoloonce1712]

Americans are living in a dystopian authoritarian leftwing regime where INGSOC is lead by the corrupt anti-freedom Democrat Party. They can say "this is already happening".

[@GulfCoastJohnny]

Explained? We’re LIVING it!!

[@Man77772]

If we lived in 1984 we wouldn’t be able to make our lives a comparison to 1984

[@mando_dablord2646]

This needs to be spread around just to continue the story of 1984. It serves as a warning and should always be available. Even if it seems a bit outlandish or unrealistic, best to be over prepared then under prepared.

[@talonmadc]

I find it extremely realistic

[@talonmadc]

And a good warming

[@thrash208]

Not unrealistic at all more like a bit outdated as when it was written there wasn't the tech we have now. However we inch closer and closer to it especially during the pandemic

[@mando_dablord2646]

@@thrash208 Yeah, that's a good way to put it. It feels outdated and outlandish because it's appealing to the people at the time it was published. It's still good, but today something's stick out that seem weird. But the other big themes is what still carries it.

[@mushroomganggaming9199]

I think this is a good take and i get why people agree but id rather live my life happily than spend it preparing for this

[@kalebbruwer]

"I'm not touching that subject" Good call, big -tech- brother is watching

[@user-dq6gu1hy2y]

Small bro

[@watsuphumans3581]

!

[@InfinityPotato97]

*War is peace* *Freedom is slavery* *Ignorance is strength*

[@Lolinatorishere]

Goldestein knows what's up

[@BirdArvid]

Sounds like the US.

[@magoo1950]

@@BirdArvid It does....

[@JamesSmith-yl2lb]

@@BirdArvid Not trying to start a arguement, or be rude, but proof?

[@jadedcentipede3840]

James Smith Just take a quick peek at the Democrats

[@DavidMarketh]

“It’s a world where history is just a matter of opinion.” Netflix is recreating 1984 💀

[@crabmachine858]

I loved how realistic the ending of the book was, showing just how undefeatable The Party is.

[@Cacowninja]

Which is why you don't want this shit to happen in the first place. This is the purpose of all sad stories which encourage you to prevent disaster rather than have to fix it if it's even fixable.

[@Canthary]

Though the last part of the book hints that the Party either collapsed, or was eventually defeated.

[@Cacowninja]

Canthary Can you make a quote of a passage of that?

[@Canthary]

That's actually the porpuse of the Appendix, it explains how Newspeak works but it is also written like a piece from the future where the Ingsoc no longer exists as such. When the book was going to be shipped to America some editors at the publishing company wanted to remove the Appendix but Orwell refused, leading many to believe that it indeed subly hints at the future of Oceania. "The Principles of Newspeak Newspeak was the official language of Oceania and had been devised to meet the ideological needs of Ingsoc, or English Socialism. In the year 1984 there was not as yet anyone who used Newspeak as his sole means of communication, either in speech or writing. The leading articles in 'The Times' were written in it, but this was a TOUR DE FORCE which could only be carried out by a specialist. It was expected that Newspeak would have finally superseded Oldspeak (or Standard English, as we should call it) by about the year 2050. Meanwhile it gained ground steadily, all Party members tending to use Newspeak words and grammatical constructions more and more in their everyday speech. The version in use in 1984, and embodied in the Ninth and Tenth Editions of the Newspeak Dictionary, was a provisional one, and contained many superfluous words and archaic formations which were due to be suppressed later. It is with the final, perfected version, as embodied in the Eleventh Edition of the Dictionary, that we are concerned here."

[@Cacowninja]

Canthary Hmm interesting case. I still have my doubts though, I mean it seems like 1984 was made to be as damning as possible for everyone ruled under INGSOC Winston Smith being no exception.

[@williamhurstcampaign6386]

"I'm not touching that subject" By saying that, in a way, you have.

[@ahmedaladly9528]

20 whole grams!!

[@williamhurstcampaign6386]

@@ahmedaladly9528 These brothers and sisters are lucky I like chocolate.

[@lucygardner5666]

Relativity

[@SuzysRedStripes]

So what, we're required to bring up politics in every single conversation now? No thanks.

[@BluesBeforeBreakfast]

@@SuzysRedStripes not required,just free speak

[@TheCivildecay]

You didn't touch on the "2 minutes of hate" by the ministry of truth, found that a really strong concept that really mirrored our current Outrage-culture

[@decimator8278]

TheCivildecay cancel culture = 2 minute hate

[@DrAidan]

Still an extremely relevant book today. Despite having read the book several times and made several videos on it as well, I still make new discoveries each time I pick the book up. Nice video.

[@SlimeBlueMS]

People in the comments are trying to say that people selecting pronouns is equal to newspeak and that the trans community is basically ingsoc when people experience cancel culture due to their ignorance regarding it That's especially terrifying, because ingsoc would WANT to put down the trans community, stop people from being trans, limit vocabulary i.e no pronouns other than government approved ones Bigots these days actually think they're the ones being persecuted by society because they aren't allowed to attack trans people or control women's bodies (no abortions allowed, etc)

[@timeforamazingchest5271]

The most terrifying aspect of 1984 is that something similar could happen any time and we would never know about it because even if the information was right there, the psychological conditioning would prevent us from ever acknowledging it.

[@TheLastBeanBender]

no it was the rat scene with Winston's face in the cage with the rats gonna bite his skin off

[@thethirdman225]

Only if you lack the education to oppose it. Think of the proles. Orwell actually says this using Goldstein’s book to convey it.

[@a64738]

And now we are living "1984" in real life thanks to corrupt politicians and megalomaniac hyper rich psychopaths' like Bill Gates and WEF founder Klaus Schwab... Please make 1984 fiction again !!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@magnus4752]

reading the book always left me with the sense of "is any of it actually real?", if they flip flopped who the enemies were, did they actually exist? was the war even real? maybe they had some brexit event and just brainwashed the population into thinking there was a war while the rest of the world went on with its daily business. i know its stated in the book that that's not the case but it never left my mind throughout my time reading it

[@uthergoodman401]

It's a bit like what Nirth Korea is doing. They claim that the rest of the world is worse off than them and that they are protecting their people from the outside

[@kx7500]

@@uthergoodman401 or yknow every nationalist nation on earth

[@uthergoodman401]

@@kx7500 in a sense,but not to the degree in which North Korea is acting.

[@thrash208]

Honestly I can kinda see a event like we are going through now with the pandemic leading to a world like 1984

[@Slendermən]

@@kx7500 You liberals sound more and more stupid by the days.

[@ral.1618]

holy shit this is scary, the fact the people can just forget about u and be a crime to remember u is messed up.

[@youtubehandle-u2l]

if you speak against the government you disappear. just like hundreds of people that have been silenced by our government for hundreds of years. Honor those people’s sacrifices by recognizing them. They weren’t suicides or heart attacks, it was murder

[@trollface7243]

@@youtubehandle-u2l cope and seethe

[@Herkan97]

​@@IIZCHAOS KZbin's legally allowed to ban whoever they want, so even if this secret thing I've never heard of (What scary names are a bannable offense?) it's a nonissue. Of course the laws can always be changed, as it relies on the ones with the most amount of power and their opinions.

[@the4thtomato138]

@@IIZCHAOS its legal if you’re the one making the rules

[@joeykelly5642]

We’re heading in that direction with a certain orange man

[@tomhanks1769]

Loved this video, would love to see you do a video on Brave new world, and maybe a comparison between these two.

[@AlexeiVoronin]

A lot of people today mistakenly believe the central theme of 1984 was the mass surveillance. It is certainly a theme, but not THE theme. The true central theme of the book is the substitution of the truth. A phenomenon that, sadly, already exists today under the name "alternative facts". This is the foundation upon the entire world of 1984 is built.

[@williamhelms9942]

Oligatarianism, the NWO.

[@nstice1]

Also, “Newspeak” and “thought crime” are all extreme forms of stare enforced political correctness.

[@despicableme8703]

AlexeiVoronin that’s why I’m looking for all the old books I can find. Before 1999

[@wilmagregg3131]

@Turnip Singularity if anything its more like modern PC SJW belifs that people are too stupid to be allowed to think and need the goverment to enforce ther espeech and thoughts with extreme harsh punishemtns and monitering to ensure no one is never offended by making everyone the same threw force brainwashing and intimidation and the idea that anyone oppsed to this must be literally a fascist so deserves to be harassed lose there job become a pariah or be beaten it promotes double think as they say there agasint rascim and sexism but constanly lower the standards for other races and women so its easier to get in aka saying there someone not as inteliigent as white males etc etc there actually disturbingly similar they even constanly redfine words and pretend the orginal meaning never existed its disturbing

[@longfellowrocked]

@@wilmagregg3131 that whole piece of bullsit diatribe is exactly the double speak expected of butthurt idiots who whine that their uneducated, irrational and emotional opinions are equal to provable facts and reasoned arguments. lol and smfh.

[@greentoad4385]

Government: *rewrites history in a snap* Someone: wait a min- Thought police: *TERMINATED*

[@mariamatedei]

[[REDACTED]] *[data expunged]*

[@williamhelms9942]

Yup! Me too.

[@evn2083]

Vaporized

[@legsof4928]

@@mariamatedei SCP

[@ClhCgu45]

Julieta Avilés you didn’t say it new speak [Terminated]

[@stevemc01]

"The most dangerous ideas is the lack of ideas... ...because then you can fit anything in that space." -- what I think Orwell was basically saying in 1984

[@issabeganovic8822]

Quote of the Century brother...

[@robertagren9360]

Truth is told to have a source. But sources do not exist. Only Big brother is the source of knowledge.

[@eduardowluize2303]

An empty mind is the devil's workshop

[@stevemc01]

@@eduardowluize2303 That's probably a better way to word my quote.

[@Tyler-ru8rq]

How can people not realize that this is exactly what [political party I don't agree with] is doing.

[@xptaco2298]

Well it won't work there are those that are educated that can push back, the flow of information is no one near as restricted in 1984. No one has unified into a superstate nor has any country has tried to destroy the individual. I do say that todays society has become more authoritarian than the last 100 years but its not at the level of complete information control. I don't believe that level of information control is even possible but it should open peoples eyes for seeing how easy political parties are controlling those that are devoted to them.

[@Transit0422]

It literally is tho, I live in Canada and this book has got a metric f**k ton of similarities with what our government has done in the recent past or is trying to do currently

[@TheRealNintendoKid]

there's only one party with the illusion of two.

[@electronium6378]

KKonaW the goddam democrats? Globalists222?!! Free masons11!!!1

[@TankEngine75]

​@@Transit0422If it was true then wouldn't you have been arrested just by commenting this comment?

[@Worthless6Part3TheSideAccount]

If history is forgotten it is doomed to repeat.

[@BahadurSingh-ip9rd]

Imagine hitler fighting for liberation

[@mycelia_ow]

Lol it repeats anyway, humans are fckng stupid man

[@sinoroman]

you can't forget something if you never learn it average american doesn't know much history before the 19th and 20th centuries. kinda sad tbh

[@sinoroman]

@@mycelia_ow true

[@sinoroman]

the end of the american empire will be SIMILAR to the end of the roman empire, but NOT THE SAME

[@enriqueenriqueziii5564]

The 2006 anime, "Code Geass" got inspired by George Orwell's novel, "1984," because it uses the same details from the book. instead, it is set in 2010s Japan, were its renamed as, "Area 11," which is controlled by the Holy Brittanian Empire. The anime gives a subtle reference to the world divisions of 1984. In the anime series, the three superpowers, the Britannian Empire (oceania), the Chinese Federation (Eastasia), and the European union (Eurasia). Which is a reference to 1984. These superpowers control the same territories as Orwell's three superpowers. The character, well the protagonist, Lelouch Vi Britannia is more like Winston Smith of 1984, wanting resistance and freedom for their county.

[@quantumblurrr]

Enrique Enriquez III Yeah but it’s anime so who cares?

[@erojerisiz1571]

wow shit even that exists

[@kenudice9841]

Enrique Enriquez III I didn’t notice that before. Thanks for the shout out. I now can look at the series with a new appreciation.

[@sorariver]

@@quantumblurrr broaden your views, honestly. All platforms of storytelling can be used, and one isn't worse than another

[@atmosrex7126]

I like Code Geass, though I would not compare it to Nineteen Eighty-Four. CG was optimistic to an extent (IDK about R3) while 1984 was simply infinitely depressing, probably one of the absolute worst dystopias possible. Also, the 3 states in CG aren't equal in power, are either despotic/fascistic instead of Orwellian/Oligarchal Collectivist, and aren't as absolute shitholes to their people. They simply are the average totalitarian/opressive, but don't try to transcend ideology and break the people's existence (Except for the whole supernatural ragnarok geass stuff) Though I could imagine what Charles was trying to do with the Ragnarok Connection is something similar to the "Annihilation of Self" in Eastasia

[@ianeons9278]

I mean it was made in 1949 and North Korea was founded in 1948 so Kim Il-Sung probably read it and got inspired.

[@slavicnonatho8062]

damn

[@comrade3186]

Just like all capitalist countries.

[@slavicnonatho8062]

@@comrade3186 Ok but communism also shit

[@BlackDoveNYC]

Actually my understanding is that North Korea’s government has something to do with a particular type of Japanese socio-politic. The research is probably easily searchable on the web.

[@slavicnonatho8062]

@@BlackDoveNYC OP made what is called a "joke"

[@Chardonbois]

Just read 1984 at the age of 63. A masterpiece!...and chillingly prophetic.

[@Roachman-TT]

62 I’m going to read it!

[@Chardonbois]

@@Roachman-TT You won't regret it. Especially in these wildly political days!

[@elchungo5026]

makes nazi germany and the soviet union seem like beacons of democracy Edit: i might be crazy, and there are probably many holes in this theory that will completely destroy it, but maybe 1984 is a book about where the nazis won ww2, and wiped out all the “undesirables”

[@drosophyllum8418]

That isn't anything unusual. This book actually took place in 2084 and the dystopia is just what the Democratic Party will become. I see that the author is a fellow time traveler.

[@ethanbolt10]

Drosophyllum Orwell was a socialist

[@drosophyllum8418]

TheCrazyKid1381 it's a hobby.

[@Marixchatt]

What will I eat tomorrow

[@warweasel2832]

Shaniqua Ass

[@Fireking-kf8og]

I read this out of my own interest in my freshman year of Highschool. What was scary was when the book went in depth on how kids report their parents, literally a day later after I started that chapter, somewhere in Latin America kids were starting to report their parents for what would legit be “thought crimes”. In French 1 my teacher said Oceania, and me not knowing Oceania is a legit place which is Australia, I panicked.

[@c.d.porter9366]

What should really scare is that thought control already exists as the socialists predicted in the 1920's and George Orwell detailed in his "fictional" story.

[@Dz-iy8pb]

The 'kids reporting parents for thoughtcrime' thing sounds a lot like what happened in China during the cultural revolution, where just about anyone was bashed and punished by the red guards (fervorous young adults who follow the ideologies of Mao) for being 'capitalist' or 'anti-communist'. It was a time where a lot of famous Chinese authors and intellectuals died, either at the hands of the red guards or their own because they couldn't live with being humiliated to such a degree. The amount of criticism you would get for being accused as 'capitalist' or 'anti-communist' (which was really just an empty excuse for the red guards to bash you) could actually drive you insane and make you believe you committed crimes that you never committed.

[@c.d.porter9366]

@@Dz-iy8pb ...sounds a lot like what is being done in union controlled schools today on certain "woke" subjects.

[@JennyG.COW5]

Yikes! 😬 Glad you learned more about Australia. But seriously, on the one hand it's sad that you had to see and hear something terrible, especially just after a few pages. Yet, at least you are now more aware of how the World could become corrupt, if we let it happen.

[@glorihol6803]

@@c.d.porter9366 fr, its so messed up

[@InspireWire]

Wait wait wait he wrote this in the 40's....wow I just finished the book you'd swear it was written yesterday

[@SandfordSmythe]

Nothing new here. Just a good illustration.

[@InspireWire]

@@johnfisher8401 It was an audiobook 👌

[@erik-newman]

@@InspireWire I listened to that audiobook a few months ago to revisit the book, I actually really enjoyed the narrator. he did a great job.

[@Merc399]

bro I read the book 11 years ago and when i read the book we were so much... farther back in the timeline it looked like it might be paranoia haha. I remember stepping out of my dads townhouse after putting the book down and seeing how the HOA makes sure every home looks the same and going "of fuck.... were in the trap right now..."

[@joe_kester]

This helped me with my essay, thanks Cody

[@plasticineanimation1]

1:47 "fortunately we know how it ends" yes but will future generations also know how it ends?

[@SuzysRedStripes]

Better question: Do they have to care how it ends?

[@BallMuncher555]

Yes they will....

[@drained_yayo]

@@SuzysRedStripes I don’t have to care

[@SuzysRedStripes]

@@drained_yayo Precisely

[@gaiusfulmen]

Eventually