osu! Mapping Theory | Weeb game (Song choice)

Why osu! is filled with Japanese songs.
Thank GranDSenpai for the replays, even though he couldn't provide a Freedom Dive one osu.ppy.sh/u/3997580
Maps:
ClariS - Hitorigoto TV MIX (Doormat) osu.ppy.sh/s/596704
Tristam - Till it's Over ([Luanny]) osu.ppy.sh/s/139415
Project Grimoire - Caliburne ~Story of the Legendary sword~ (Mikkuri) osu.ppy.sh/s/335665
*namirin - closing eyes (Lasse) osu.ppy.sh/s/670579
Kenji Ninuma - DISCO PRINCE (peppy) osu.ppy.sh/s/1
Camellia - Exit This Earth's Atomosphere (Raiden) osu.ppy.sh/s/567916
bill wurtz - the high class stuff (Bonsai) osu.ppy.sh/s/570325
sakuzyo - Imprinting (Nozhomi) osu.ppy.sh/s/290951
MiddleIsland - Roze (Lan wings) osu.ppy.sh/s/65994
Carly Rae Jepsen - Call Me Maybe (Nightcore Mix) (-Bakari-) osu.ppy.sh/s/56071
Bernd Krueger - Sonata No.14 in cis-Moll, Op. 27/2 - 3. Satz (Fenza) osu.ppy.sh/s/518426
Linkin Park - What I've Done (Andrea) osu.ppy.sh/s/84104
Marshmello - Alone (Pachiru) osu.ppy.sh/s/552712
Junichi Masuda - Tokiwa e no Michi - Masara yori (fieryrage) osu.ppy.sh/s/667454
toby fox - Nyeh Heh Heh! & Bonetrousle (DaxMasterix) osu.ppy.sh/s/375994
Junichi Masuda - Battle! Roaming Legendary Pokemon (DakeDekaane) osu.ppy.sh/s/65923
senya - Hitomi ni Kakusareta Omoi (Satellite) osu.ppy.sh/s/398921
Pierce The Veil - Bulls in the Bronx (Avena) osu.ppy.sh/s/424713
MOMOIRO CLOVER Z - SANTA SAN (monstrata) osu.ppy.sh/s/378183
xi - FREEDOM DiVE (Nakagawa-Kanon) osu.ppy.sh/s/39804
beatMARIO - Night of Knights (alacat) osu.ppy.sh/s/352570
cYsmix feat. Emmy - Tear Rain (jonathanlfj) osu.ppy.sh/s/140662
Panda Eyes & Teminite - Highscore (Fort) osu.ppy.sh/s/332532
References:
Game Theory: Why You Play Video Games (The Game Theorists) • Game Theory: Why You P...
Why Song Translations Usually Suck (Tom Scott/PlayTheMind) • Why Song Translations ...
Mele Kalikimaka: Why You Can't Say "Christmas" in Hawaiian (Tom Scott) • Mele Kalikimaka: Why Y...
osu!mapping: song choice (pishifat) • osu!mapping: song choice
Tess' Perfect Mapping Class - Fundamentals (Tesseract) osu.ppy.sh/forum/t/644613
Guitar Hero : World Tour - Linkin Park - What I've Done - Expert 100% (Patrick Kjølhaug) • Guitar Hero : World To...
[BMS] FREEDOM DiVE [FOUR DIMENSIONS] (60fps) (XYZ) • [BMS] FREEDOM DiVE [FO...
Osu! Tatakae! Ouendan (main trailer) • Osu! Tatakae! Ouendan ...
Touhou 6 - Embodiment of Scarlet Devil - Extra Stage No Bombs Clear - Reimu-B (Zigzagwolf) • Touhou 6 - Embodiment ...
Acknowledgements (because UK fair use law):
"What I've Done" from "Minutes To Midnight" © Linkin Park, Warner Bros. Records, 2007
"Bulls in the Bronx" from "Collide with the Sky" © Pierce The Veil, Fearless Records, 2012
「サンタさん」 ("Santa-san") from 「労働讃歌」 ("Hymn to Labor") © ももいろクローバーZ (Momoiro Clover Z), 「スターチャイルドレコード」 (Starchild Records), 2011
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[@ragnarokvii]

Rhythm games from Eastern Asia : Ouendan, BMS, DDR, Sound Voltex, Cytus, Deemo, etc. Rhythm games from the Occident : Guitar hero, and a few thousand rip-offs

[@gothicwvlff2]

whats the occident also nice puronpfp

[@natureangel4337]

Occindent aka, THE WEST US, Canada, Europe etc

[@FunOrange42]

Very interesting video. I never realized that the reason why japanese music is good for mapping has to do with the language itself and how it's often sung. But it makes a lot of sense.

[@hughmarc9373]

InstaBlaster

[@thisperson345]

I just have mostly Japanese songs because I’m a huge weeb but even before I started watching anime, I still listened to daoko’s music because the Japanese language as a whole just sounds really nice.

[@byssted]

Another reason Touhou music in specific is popular in rhythm games: in the actual games, the stages will usually be "synced" to the audio cues within the BGM- so the music is composed with the intention of having an interesting playing rhythm to it, and intensity that goes up and down with the stage. (making it slightly different from most video game BGMs) Subtle most of the time, but it begs mentioning. Even Toby Fox made fun of it in his "improvising fake touhou music" video- mentioning, "oh and this is the part of the stage where we get to the midboss" accompanied by a shift in the music.

[@user-ep9mb8sr8b]

also Japanese artists barely use similar loops. its ALWAYS different or a different variance. They also have more instruments and sounds that are in the high frequency spectrum. it all gives a lot more rhythm and mapping options

[@frankIincooI]

1:25 In case you're wondering, this map is actually literally bill wurtz's "the high class stuff", mapped by Bonsai, and on his page it says he wanted to map songs considered irrelevant, like this old timey song he was proud of, or, for example, "the high class stuff". Oh, also breakcore is pretty lit as well, pishi made a video on that teminite, not *termite* xD

[@GranDSenpai]

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[@Nekomosh004]

i literally paused the video after seeing that and checked first for this comment. XD

[@nonamechannl]

Timestamp: 8:20

[@kaimuu]

HARUMACHI CLOVER

[@andrewandreaandrei6602]

I wonder how many versions of harumachi clover and hitorigoto there are...

[@kaimuu]

not so many versions of hitorigoto (7) but there are 12 currently ranked harumachi clover maps (including all modes)

[@nevmiku]

Don't forget WANKER

[@cheshire_]

No

[@MechaStorm7]

*DARENIII* ... oh wait

[@cavemann_]

That last part got me xD Well, I get that instrumental songs are good to map as long as they are not too repetitive. Now what about metal songs and various sub genres of them? There is UNDEAD CORPORATION or Imperial Circus Dead Decadence. Honestly the hardest part here is to find a good song that is not mapped yet.

[@hifumindesu6784]

Re: anime themes (I presume includes, but is not limited to, anime opening or ending songs) found at 6:56. The reason that those songs commonly have higher BPMs, in addition to the reason/s you have mentioned, is because those could work as (somewhat) the centerpiece of that anime. What are the aspects of an anime do people most usually use to hand-pick an anime out of the bunch? In no particular order, • characters • story/plot • which studio animated it • memes/gifs/screencaps • if it's part of a well-known series • it's OP and/or ED There are many more reasons out there (such as the author of the source material -looking at you, Eromanga-sensei-) but these are the ones off the top of my head. The thing here is that, people could use the OP/ED to differentiate an anime from another, and as such, should be engaging and is something that catches the attention of whoever's listening to it. Unlike game BGMs that aren't engaging as much, most notably for the reason/s you have mentioned earlier in the video. (found in 4:43) -- This is some good insight. I legit thought that this video was just some shitpost poking fun at the music genres in osu! (mainly due to the title). I guess I shouldn't judge a book by it's cover.

[@Itstimetorecover]

So basically, since they try to make their anime OPs EPIC, osu! maps for them will also be EPIC

[@hiendlxxl]

You know what you need to say at the end? "But hey that's just a theory.. A Mapping theory! thanks for watching!" Lul

[@JJ-mr5lj]

osu needs hardbass

[@peep3879]

Russian hardbass

[@PasiCreations1517]

Plz don't enjoy game ah I see you are a man of culture aswell

Cyka blyat boiiiiiii

[@Garfield_Osu]

Facts

[@hakoria8909]

osu! needs more senya

[@kaimuu]

i second that

[@byssted]

We have a mapper who does exclusively Yuuhei Satellite/senya don't we? (Satellite) Not disagreeing though.

[@DanielNessBRUH]

I’m just a weeb.

[@hodgepodge3923]

Was a well thought out video, was enjoyable to watch. Keep it up!

[@kofuchinoo]

I played the game because of my thirst for rhythm games and has songs that came from anime lol

[@YuiraKun]

The end somehow gave me Miiro flashbacks from 2015

[@hakoria8909]

tatoe

[@m1nerb0ss]

When i first played osu i was like "oh my god i never would play tear rain i would trying to complete kuba oms and liquid with hard rock" Then i found harumachi clover and i was like "wow that sounds good i need to play this"

[@chainsawKillr]

What I don't get is why the same anime songs get ranked over and over again in different version, yet when I type Tobu into ranked search I just get depressed. There are great maps with songs from said artist, just none of them made it to ranked and every time I look for new releases there is at least one song I've already played before in a slightly different version...

[@junidaydreamer]

because people like the songs lol

[@FalbereChan]

that is why we don't have much eurobeat ;_;

[@xXLeThunderboltXx]

osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/662814/#osu/1402971 working on this right now, please check it out if you wanna :D

[@Wutever]

i would play the fuck outta all eurobeat maps.

[@357MAGNUMSNIPER]

Eurobeat is actually very nice to map. The vocals and instruments (namely synths and kick/snare) support each other well, the former giving many interesting intensity changes throughout the songs. There are plenty of quarter beats to map for rhythmical variety as well, making it still fun to play despite being a bit repetitive.

[@lawrencebermudez]

among us eurobeat mix

[@chaoticneutral1090]

The ending made me lol. My ptsd has been triggered Shame you didn't say anything about my metal tho :(

[@queouanevima5634]

Becuase everyone is a filthy pp farmer and these songs are great for that

[@Rayquasafreak]

...With the only difference being that the huge majority of ranked japanese maps are neither from rhythm games, nor above 160 BPM, nor with engaging rhythm, and are filled with repetition. The Anime Intros mapped to be DT'd and farmed,which today make up a huge chunk of the japanese-language maps, deny any point in your video, yet are nowhere to be seen or mentioned in it, apart from that 5 second ending of Harumachi Clover. Frankly, people don't call osu! a weeb game because it has japanese music, I've yet to seen something like Camellia or Lite Show Magic (both composers you showed as japanese in this video) labeled as "weeb music". What gets osu! the title "weeb game" is the overabundant mess of anime intros and songs with similar styles mapped, ranked and farmed in this game, along with players and even known streamers plastering random half naked anime girls all over their skins, nothing else.

[@MasterYoshitaka]

Another reason why osu! is considered a weeb game is that there is a huge amount of the playerbase that are indeed weebs, yeah. A mo forgot to mention that I bet.

[@CrispyMalex]

How about EDM? I think with the fast beat and the drop or change in the chorus it fit's perfectly for rhythm games especially because they have a huge climax most of the time which pumps up the tempo at which you are playing

[@DJruslan4ic]

Most instrumental songs in rhythm games are already edm, usually by asian artists. Yes, there is a good portion of western edm, but a lot of it is slower than asian edm

[@AMVLifez]

I did in the beginning mind the japanese songs but after a while i just got used to it

[@Robert-hu7ln]

Great job!

[@elysiummaybe8574]

Touhou BGM: *i'll show you how it's done*

[@gasoline976]

Love how there's a whole part talking about touhou

[@YuniCh]

Idk why but your content is really good :thinking_face: , you should have morr subs

[@danielnaumov7974]

If you compare: Japanese Music has more diverse instrumentals and vocals and if you look for example at Linkin Park you can see the differences.

[@annekitsune]

Could you talk about speedcore songs? I feel like the subject wasn't really covered yet. Here's some example maps of what I'm talking about (big black and others): osu.ppy.sh/b/719864 osu.ppy.sh/s/41823 osu.ppy.sh/s/40344 osu.ppy.sh/s/647690

[@BigDBrian]

Jojolepro speed core maps are a bit of a niche. But there's artists like Renard who frequently get mapped. It's just not as prevalent as weeb music. because it sounds like ear cancer

[@TheWritersMind]

@A Mo could you make a list of the top 5 or so other beat-maps from different countries? for research into what works well and what doesn't.

[@AMo_osu]

I may do analysis on specific songs in the future.

[@mendozerosu3041]

bruh this video still holds up today. me no mae

[@MarcoBrolo727]

the final got me haha

[@citriphos]

Nobody mentioned about the Contrail ~Kiseki~ maps being everywhere last year?

[@randomness6498]

I think the word you are looking for is "effort",since if you have a linear song you would work hard to make it intresting, using 1/4 rythms and what not, but for anime songs they mostly are well timed white red ticks, ez to do and not time consuming like tech maps.

[@VinceIsDatBitch]

Wow, your editing has improved a lot.

[@Garfield_Osu]

I like listening to Japanese songs for the same reasons. I like faster and more engaging songs.

[@XionSteel]

tfw most of the maps in osu are japanese, but the best teams are the us, uk and poland xD. Lost my shit when Harumachi clover popped up at the end. lol

[@XenuLordofTheSky]

I love the music in osu! I have no idea why people get so weird about it.

[@icy_rane]

Stonebank breaks everything you said :3

[@icy_rane]

Otherwise I agree with all you said in the video, pretty interesting topic ^^

[@Ohrami]

The actual linguistic reason for the syllabic approach is that that is how Japanese is spoken. The Japanese language is a mora-timing-based language, which means that every sound is said for the same length.

[@888crispin]

Just saying if i had to choose between a beatmap with a picture of a human singer or a cute brightly coloured anime girl I'm gonna choose the latter

[@bommy9857]

1:32 are you sure about that. Becouse i feel that thr ranking criteria is strict on song choice. So i cant map centipede and get it ranked..

[@VinceIsDatBitch]

The Pokemon BGM with Irre's cs7 diff was awesome.

[@Lovetoness]

The ending xD

[@Equuary]

"Plz enjoy the game"

[@lithium820]

we need more namirin

[@The-Atomic-Gamer]

and senya and nameless

[@mrretard2200]

"I just click circles I'm not a weeb"

[@CharCharPlaysMC]

before watching this video, im guess edm and pop songs

[@JacksonYuuki]

Why so many versions of Harumachi Clover and not Natsuzora Yell?? D: (and no full version it seems...)

[@BigDBrian]

Jackson Sparkle short song, very simple, good bpm for dt

[@Equuary]

and pp

[@oak6225]

Probably because they think Yui is much better than Natsuki (even though Moka is better tbh)

[@piccisthicc]

STOP WITH HARUMACHI CLOVER AHHHHHH

[@bleuiguess3293]

Rhythm game when

[@venix42]

i have 7 ranked sets one is japanese :thinking:

[@Pandize]

You totally ignored a whole genre that really pushes osu. It's popular as well. I'm sure you already know what I'm talking about. I must of missed it in the video or something. There's lots of ways to represent music when mapping.

[@NV-Noah]

Im sorry, for I have sinned. my top pp play is harumachi clover

[@sebastiancalderon2172]

I played a lot of non asian maps when i started playing (before i became a "weeb") and most of them are just mapped horribly and have no rhythm they doesn t match the acctual song ... So yeah thumbs up asian music :)

[@SlurpKing100]

Good video, although I still don't understand why seemingly, at least a third of all players have some anime girl as their profile pick, and a half of the song bgs are pics of anime girl(s), and why at least half if not more of the songs that are of japanese origin are from animes. Like wtf why is this game such a weeb magnet?? I mean sure I don't mind japanese songs, players or mappers or anything like that, but why can't they just be normal, why do they gotta be so weeeeeeb

[@meawingmeatball9362]

Shit you got me RUN AWAY okno, but for real i have no clue what weeb means, if weeb means "people who watch anime" then its pretty clear why alot of the players are "weebs" seeing as the game is full of anime songs and anime styled art all over it and also if you're talking about the hentai pictures yeah that's weird

[@SlurpKing100]

Weeb is ppl who watch anime and obsess over it, have their waifus as profile picks, has a myanimelist account, etc. But my question is why is the game full of anime songs and manga art in the first place, like sure have japanese music but atleast use something thats actually somewhat of a pleasure to listen to.

[@meawingmeatball9362]

like the video said, its just that its much easier to map those songs and also after a while the community just gets used to it yknow and yeah i do agree that the new ranked songs tend to be ... pretty cancerous i still have nightmares from haitai but every once in a while i find a good song so i guess its not that bad and also people put anime girls on their pictures because its the internet but then again my osu picture is a fucking meatball drawing so i don't think i'm any better xd

[@SlurpKing100]

But i feel like you could use japanese songs that doesn't sound like underaged girls singing something thats supposed to sound slightly motivational but doesn't actually make any sense for 1 minute. Rock bands like The Oral cigarettes, MY FIRST STORY and Frederic, they are all japanese, and have fitting bpm in their songs, and are easier to maps due to the reasons in this video, and even though i'm not interested in japanese music i really like their songs. But those bands are still much rarer than hime hime and haitai styled songs, for some reason. BTW I'd choose a drawing of a meatball over some anime pic any day.

[@meawingmeatball9362]

yeah... there's alot of hime hime and haitai bullshit maps because its short and easy to abuse but here's a few that i found that are pretty damn good compared to the normal stuff kzbin.info/www/bejne/rpDcYppjntiGj8U kzbin.info/www/bejne/baXHZn6lndd3nJI kzbin.info/www/bejne/iWOlYoSqe7elrNk if those are the kind of songs you meant then there is some and also maps with easy pp tend to be the most played ones and therefore the maps with good songs but unrewarding amounts of pp are much harder to find since not alot of people play them

[@muda7482]

3:20 if Michael bay made osu!!!

[@a-linn]

Why is cursor sans eye?

[@Elfeist820]

I was playing gmod while i was editing a map...then someone called me a weeb lmao

[@somedudethatdoesthings8057]

osu needs some DOOM

[@utaiosphere]

ME NO MAE NO TOBIRA O AKETARA HARU KAZE

[@XXneatfreakXX]

Basically bcuz the japanese music is the best music.

weeboo

[@skhtrm]

Japanese has much less phonemes that English

[@LeTerrarien]

great fucking deduction right there, you want a cookie or smth ?

[@skhtrm]

sure

[@sync-mo2bq]

1-2 1-2 1-2

[@Pytskaayu]

Omfg it was teminite? Not termite????

[@yoyo6912]

Legit started to play osu because of the weeb songs lol

[@pizzatheslice1911]

"Touch Screen Detected" xd

[@uberrave3]

5:48 No no no, rhythms exist independently from singing. Yes Japanese language is designed a lot better for articulate rhythms, but that’s doesn’t tell the whole story. Yes I think American pop makes me want to Zzz…, but there is plenty of American/western music that has plenty of complex rhythms. Often rhythmic styles take after a languages articulation, but you don’t have to understand that language to understand where those note are being placed in time. I guess what I’m saying is it is a bit more complicated than that.

[@tesseract9689]

TA TOE

[@alexaa2137]

Pozdro od beasttrollMinecraft

[@bloodedcold5935]

What skin?

[@zoiperi4782]

Well i started osu because anime xd

[@shime1956]

ME NO MAE NO

[@ImagineBlaze]

Wait hold up, you pronuonce “Xi” as “Zy”, not “Si”??

[@peep3879]

Chen Defeng It’s actually pronounced “eleven” xd

[@ImagineBlaze]

Plz don't enjoy game oh I got it, the Roman numbers XD

[@z3ryx393]

Plz don't enjoy game Really? Oh shit, I've been doing it all the time xD

[@louis3318]

japan has 1-2 in it

[@dellasx]

Ummm... Theres a filter of what language you want.

[@skyo3402]

ME NO MAE

[@Novalian]

iam a simple man.. i see kawai anime girls i press like

[@PasiCreations1517]

Novalian Your waifu is trash ヾ(*ΦωΦ)ﾉ

[@jayzans]

***os***

[@witchhunter7652]

2:09 play roze with dt and see if it makes you fall asleep lol

[@kaaiplayspiano7200]

weeb

[@DylanLCutshall]

Bruh, it's not "ors" but "osu". It's so sad to hear it pronounced wrong. Otherwise good video!

[@wan2shuffle]

the "u" isn't supposed to be pronounced. The r sound just comes from his accent I assume.

[@DylanLCutshall]

Yeaaa well, you are not right, but you are not wrong either. I did some research and it seems like we are both right: gyazo.com/8a33d7fa48d061be9dd7dbe40b1c6c14 But yeah, we can both agree on there should be no "r" sound when you pronounce "osu!".

[@DylanLCutshall]

Le Bro Check the link I send before ;) We both wrong and right dude :p

[@freedomdiev3353]

you forgot the exclamation point, it should be "osu!" not "osu"

[@DylanLCutshall]

Oh shit, sry m8 holy damn. I'm pretty sure you forgot to spell your name correct too tho. Or is the map called Freedom DIEv? :o

[@ra3y7rba64]

but still it is a weeaboo game

[@jabloko992]

But half of those Japanese songs are so CRINGE. (granted, the other half ranges from decent to fucking awesome) Some ultra high pitch vocaloid complete with some ultra cringe furry noises that makes my ear hurt and the song in general sounds like it was made for 12 year old girls and not a nearly 30 year old man (me). On the other side, you have RAISE MAH SWORD and the likes, which are just awesome. Anime songs are generally pop or soft rock and those are the genres I like the least. Pop is just bleh and rock is just the weakling brother of glorious METAL. (yes, exceptions, etc.) I appreciate everything that was said in this video and I don't see a reason to disagree with it, but I do agree with the example person in the video: This game DOES need more non-Japanese content. If I have to be the person to map those songs then so be it (hence I'm watching your videos btw). I WILL find the music that 'maps well' that isn't from animes and whatnot. I've found a lot of cool songs in Osu!, many of them from Japan that I will listen to outside of osu! as well, but I still want to play my favorite songs in this game...so I guess I'll just have to make them myself. *shrugs*

[@user-sl3uh2my7c]

cringe weeb game

[@shikaidoyt1668]

i want italian beatmaps not gay japanese

[@azer444]

Didn’t have to add gay before Japanese tbh kinda rude

[@leomeneses1066]

but italian is gayer

[@thisperson345]

Italian music sucks

[@toxcjuan2021]

italian literally have gay music wdym

[@JustinKoenigSilica]

I'm soooo tired of 90%of the beatmaps being weeb shit. It's getting tiresome to hear the same 10 high pitched moeblobshit voices on the same fucking piano melody.

[@asdlasldasld]

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