OUAT - 4x20 'I miss you and I forgive you' [Emma, Snow, David & Killian]

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Ep: 4x20 - "Mother"
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[@Emper0rH0rde]

As campy as this show was, a lot of the acting was *spectacular.* They really made you *believe* that Emma was their flesh and blood daughter, even though the actors playing them were all the same age.

[@datuangela]

Amazing feat, that

[@laurasaavedra6522]

Campy? I would call it exciting, emotional and engaging

[@Jaanu89]

The bro nod was so cute. And Killian was so proud of Emma...ahhh they're the cutest family ever!

[@NickyHelp]

A murderer to the family that is. By murdering Charming’s father.

[@Jaanu89]

@@NickyHelp oh hun, you must be really bored lol You do you!

[@NickyHelp]

@@Jaanu89 Wrong. I'm not bored on anything. Don't be ridiculous and misinterpretive. You know what I pointed out is the truth.

[@Jaanu89]

@@NickyHelp ok, so what do you want? A cookie? The show ended three years ago lol, move on!

[@NickyHelp]

@@Jaanu89 Wrong and guess again. The show was left unfinished and incomplete. Things change. Besides, a revival may come on Disney Plus when requested by fans (including me), and most of the actors revealed in interviews that they are fully open to return in a revival. Especially Josh and Ginny. Also, the old writers informed that they may leave the job to someone else during interviews. This may potentially happen and there's nothing you can do about it. So you go move on and watch your trolling mouth. We're done here.

[@jusgettenby]

I love that maleficent actually looked worried when snow was hurt.

[@10GGundam]

i think it's more that she didn't want her daughter hurting anyone, especially since she can't control her dragon form just yet. i doubt she actually cared for snow's safety considering what all snow did to her

[@alexplays_roblox1k373]

@@10GGundam Snow was gonan return the baby it was the Apprentice who sent her away

[@NickyHelp]

It was Isaac Heller who wrote and made the Charmings and the apprentice do this under the writing of his pen, just as all three said to him in his face when they imprisoned or arrested him, and he confessed. Both brats, Emma and Lily have spited the wrong person and let Snow almost get killed.

[@wickeddisney55]

@@NickyHelp I never understood how that would work do the characters have free will or not with an author or are they just puppets in a story bent to someone else's will? Also Lily is under no obligation to forgive the people who stole her & made it so her life was harder than it needed to be with having double the amount of darkness than she was supposed to have (it was still their actions free will or not) nor Emma for being mad that her parents lied to her & only stopped lying because they couldn't lie anymore.

[@Ella-Elj]

Aww the glance between Hook and Emma. He was so proud of her for doing the right thing and she had to check with him that this was the right thing to do :D ADORABLE

[@NickyHelp]

A glance to the assassin of her grandfather which she doesn’t know yet, and he was the one who lied about to her and David, which she does to her parents more than once to in the future. Her parents never lied about anything. It was omission, just as she corrected herself. Not the same as lying.

[@vancesuggs7488]

Emma and Snow have a sweet mother and daughter relationship

[@NickyHelp]

And the makers wasted the true focus away. No wonder why the ratings sunk lower than imagined.

[@m.swtchjfkdhgkf1952]

I need more snow white and emma bonding !! they are feaking amazing Sometimes you just forget that she like 1 year younger than her and she is acting as her mother 😄

[@frannyfel8103]

Emma: Your a hero, if it happened at my expense it doesn't change anything, it doesn't change the good person you'ave became and it doesn't change what you are.... Snow: Which is what? Emma: My mom! Oh my kill me with mother & daughter feels why don't you! i want more!

[@NickyHelp]

Whatever happened to saying you don’t care she's your mother Emma, You jerk.

[@NickyHelp]

Yes, your mother is a hero. Always has been. But you have never been savior and will never be a hero. Or should I say, assassin?! Traitor?! Failure?!

[@RosemoonAli]

anyone else give a little Aw? I was happy to see this because I was with Killian on the whole matter. Emma needed to forgive her parents because while what they did was selfish and wrong they were only trying to keep Emma good. I am really glad Emma listened to her boyfriend and not only healed her mother's wound on the outside but the pain she inflicted on her inside. Love their little hugs. I bet Ginny and Jen are the best of friends.

[@NickyHelp]

She only forgave them for nothing, because they have been controlled and written to do this by the former author. They revealed so in the next two episodes when they arrested him. Besides it was Emma’s fault that Snow almost murdered in the first place and let this happen all because of her misjudging, unjustly accusing the wrong people, and hurting her. She only apologized mainly just to impress the murderer of Charming’s father (who was the one who did the evil deed by himself). That was bad apologizing.

[@mariarinta-rahko958]

Love Emma's and Snow's relationship

[@firemaster432]

David knows Killian had something to do with it

[@ShalandaraMidnightDawn28]

firemaster432 Yup! Daddy Charming just KNOWS Killian will ask for permission at some point... He's become part of the family, and cares about all of them. I am SO ready for THAT conversation!!! XD

[@firemaster432]

Sarah Yackey Same I am looking forward to that

[@Huntress4455]

firemaster432 Indeed, I REALLY hope it's next episode :)

[@NickyHelp]

It won’t stay that way forever in a revival. Because the loose end of the murder of Charming’s father will only end with the assassin dead like in every other story. And that includes killing off Zelena for the murder of Henry’s father.

[@ZyliceLiddell]

Such a lovely #CharmingFamily moment! :) ☺️

[@hopefully1975]

Notice how David put his arm Infront of maleficent so she won't get burned by Lily,only me,yupp

[@tasnimcarter]

It goes to show that even though Emma is pissed with her parents she still loves them. And issac is to blame here not them.

[@DJ-wr1uo]

I'm not trying to hate on Snow, but Emma had every right to be angry with them. She's always taking about hope and right paths, meanwhile in the past (and I do realize that this is why she talks about it) she did something and didn't own up to it and kept it a secret to 1 of the 2 ppl it affected the most, her DAUGHTER! She may have changed, but she should have owned up to it and not lied in the first place. Snow was only going to make her more angry everytime she tried to push. Also, I feel Emma’s anger was more towards feeling betrayed. Snow and David were always telling Emma she needed to trust them meanwhile she feels like they didn’t trust *her*

[@Emper0rH0rde]

But Emma's anger toward her parents only made her miserable. She let it go because she had to.

[@NickyHelp]

@@Emper0rH0rde Like she really means it. If it really did make her miserable, then she would've quit sooner and not doing it on purpose.

[@NickyHelp]

Wrong DJ. Emma had no right to be angry with her. She has been spiting the wrong person when it was the Author who was the cause of this, by writing her into the path and making her condemn a child against her will just to hurt her. It was revealed so in the last two episodes. Go and watch the clip and see for yourself. Also, we have a full confession from one of the Writers, Jane Espenson, that is was Isaac who made Snow do this and that Jane made an error, despite, how she claims she didn't remember what she said. mobile.twitter.com/JaneEspenson/status/824651116314890240 And Emma's problem is that she was misjudging and jumps to wrong conclusion and she ends up looking stupid by being a bad judge of character. And in the end, she let Snow almost get murdered. She didn't save her, she cured the injury that she let happen by the other dumb broad. Some day when a revival, comes, that loose ends of her hurting the wrong person must get it's proper ending and where she must apologize properly, and where she must learn that Lily almost killed Snow and lied about it, nor apologized for it. That includes Lily who must apologize properly too for trying to murder and spite the wrong people.

[@wickeddisney55]

@@NickyHelp the fact that the writers had to go on Twitter/an interview to convey that proves they did not do a good job at getting the point across, you shouldn't need to go to another platform to explain a plot point as big as this one was, especially if it relates to one of your main characters & how people will perceive them going forward. Also your comment reeks of victim blaming, like yes Lily needs to apologize for being angry at the people who kidnapped her from her mother (even under the influence of someone else) & made it so every decision she made was the wrong one & Emma needs to apologize for being angry that her parents lied to her for all of the season & only confessed when they had their backs to the wall & couldn't lie anymore that makes perfect sense right? /sarcastic.

[@NickyHelp]

@@wickeddisney55 Again, you never any facts, nothing but lies and excuses, which I did not. Not That so called interview you bought up was false. That's only its story, not fact. It most likely took place before the later episodes revealed what really happened, you dummy. Your comment is the one that reeked, not mine. And wrong again, Stupid. The chamrings never lied but ommited. You've not paid attention to anything. Watch that clip and get a pair of hearing aids. Emma was about to say they lied, but caught herself and changed it to omitting. Revealing and proving that they never lied, for your information. You are such a dunce baby. Eat that. The Charmings only kidnapped Lily because it was all under Isaac's writing, stupid. And you know it. I already proved in your face with proof and clues of what really happened, and that Isaac Heller was really the cause of all this in the first place. Now you're forcing me to show you again. Read and watch, if you have the guts, coward. mobile.twitter.com/nickyaiuto1/status/824611608299200512 twitter.com/JaneEspenson/status/1408599595165310982 twitter.com/JaneEspenson/status/1408629802114818051 mobile.twitter.com/JaneEspenson/status/824651116314890240 m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/sHXSpYuVich5b8k All comes to point, that both the brats, Emma & Lily must apologize for hurting and almost murdering the wrong people for nothing. You lost. And since you are obviously no youtuber, because you don't have videos in your so called channel and are only here to troll and tell lies cause you don't want to face the truths and points of what anyone made, there's no point of you being around. There's no room for liars like you. Get lost. And don't bother with anymore of your lies, because you are already blocked and muted, shit for brains.

[@valeriazenoni6478]

Why on earth would anyone watch Ouat for any reason but these moments?

[@ultradeadpoet]

I cried It's just so beautiful

[@user-ko6bd4es8m]

We always strive to be fraternal with each other and to stay away from hatred and malice, because hatred only generates destruction, so be fraternal always, for love continues life

[@NickyHelp]

Let’s face the fact. Emma let this happen. If she hadn’t spited and wronged the wrong person for nothing, when Isaac Heller was to blame, or misjudged her mom in the first place, none of this would’ve happened.

[@jasonmoukala8909]

Oh stop making excuses for David and snow

[@NickyHelp]

@@jasonmoukala8909 I did not make any excuses in the first place. You did. I told the truth of what really happened. Isaac did so make them do. Have you not watched the finale of s4? When the Charmings caught him from escaping town and arrested him for his sins, Snow confronted him and revealed it was him who made them do it just to hurt them both, and he confessed he did to them because he blindly claimed that they represent his bad former bosses, which was not true. Also, Jane Espenson, one of the writers of the show, officially confessed on twitter that it was him and not the Charmings by free will after confessing that she can't remember what she said. You can't lie your way out of that. I try to put living proof of it in, but youtube won't allow me to publish them. You can't lie your way out that. And it was true that Emma let this happen. Go see for yourself, unless your too cowardly to face the facts and see how wrong you are.

[@NickyHelp]

@@jasonmoukala8909 Not accoriding to my proofs here. Feast your blind eyes and mouth of lies out of these: mobile.twitter.com/nickyaiuto1/status/824611608299200512 twitter.com/JaneEspenson/status/1408599595165310982 twitter.com/JaneEspenson/status/1408629802114818051 mobile.twitter.com/JaneEspenson/status/824651116314890240 m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/sHXSpYuVich5b8k

[@wickeddisney55]

@@NickyHelp Quit making excuses for them lying to their daughter & not stopping the lies until after they were caught. Snow & Charming deserved the anger they got from Emma because they were being hypocritical from trying to get Emma to tell them everything & at the same time keeping a secret this big from her. Whether or not Snow & Charming were responsible for Lily doesn't excuse them lying to their daughter about what they did (unknowingly/aganist their will or not they still did what they did to Lily that's not something to be debated & if you try to do so you're lying to yourself). Also, the fact that the writers had to go on record to explain their own story proves they did a terrible job at conveying what was going on like there should've been no questions asked about what was going on/who was responsible for what happened with a plot point as big as this one was, especially seeing as it changes how people view Snow & Charming in the worst way possible.

[@NickyHelp]

@@wickeddisney55 You're the one that's making the excuses and lying. Every word that you just said was wrong and all lies. I spoke the truths of what really happened and you didn't want to face the facts. Just for your information, they did not lie. Were you not watching or listening? Emma specifically said they omitted. She was about to say lie, but she caught herself and changed it to omitted. Which proved they never lied. Watch the clip again, listen more carefully, and get a pair of hearing aids. No one asked for your lies. It was Isaac Heller who was responsible for this in the first place. What you bought up were never facts, but crap and bullshit. They proved nothing. If you thought that's what the writers did, they wouldn't have bought up that the author was the one responsible and the cause of all this in the first place, as proven in the finale when they arrested him. You missed a lot of spots junior. Viewers only viewed in the worst way they are young and stupid because they don't pay attention to the full story or whose responsible. Just liek you are. I have proof that the author was the cause of all this and made them do it, by one of the writers who confessed it, even if she didn't remember what she said wrong. And go watch the clip where it is revealed that Isaac is responsible all allong, stupid. mobile.twitter.com/nickyaiuto1/status/824611608299200512 twitter.com/JaneEspenson/status/1408599595165310982 twitter.com/JaneEspenson/status/1408629802114818051 mobile.twitter.com/JaneEspenson/status/824651116314890240 m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/sHXSpYuVich5b8k

[@penguin8727]

Why was snow running towards her I’m so confused 😂

[@mariannerose3538]

Penguin IM YELLING 😭😂😂😂

[@valeriazenoni6478]

Because she's a stupid and brave Gryffindor.

[@wickeddisney55]

Ah yes, Emma forgives her parents, so everything is just fine casually forgetting the fact that Emma was the one least harmed by Snow & Charming's actions & that Snow & Charming are never shown to apologize to Lily for the harm they caused (not that she would've accepted the apology but still I could be wrong about that it's been a while since I watched this episode).

[@ashleypowell1722]

The author wrote them to do that to Lily

[@wickeddisney55]

@@ashleypowell1722 the writers did a shitty job at showing that it was against their will, to the point where the writers have even admitted that it wasn't done well, so no I will not accept that as an excuse for this story decision being a good idea. The way it was presented in the episodes made it seem like Snow & Charming (but mostly Snow) did the action of their own free will but didn't know what was going to happen, where the only person who had their free will stripped was the apprentice. Also, even if they had spelled it out blatantly that the author took away their free will it doesn't change the fact that Lily & Maleficent's pain was treated as second fiddle to the pain of the Charming family (which was my main argument in my comment) which was a terrible decision because they were not the ones who were most affected by what happened, Lily and Maleficent were.

[@MasonPerry7]

I really wish Maleficent went dragon to help her daughter

[@wickeddisney55]

I mean I wouldn't have opposed that it would've been badass.

[@lillovenuggett]

This is actually 4x21 not 20

[@somethingidk908]

I wish Maleficent turned into a dragon and they started talking in dragon and then they hugged

[@alysonrenee2277]

Hi

[@Rae-Annechu]

David and snow still hasn’t apologised to Lily or did Lily forgive them about what they done to her

[@tomwotton9]

Is that the woman who plays Lucifers mother?

[@RisingPhoenixCreations]

Nope she looks similar to her but it's not her

[@alyshalake5591]

Alysha danther Emma Neal

[@mastermeggud973]

im wondering where neil has been

[@ibrahimanjum6575]

He's Dead

[@Freeky0ha]

+Jared Jarcer I think she means their baby

[@GoldenRose116]

+Kaleh Nezhad prob at granny (remember how in season 1/2 henry was always send to her or ruby to)

[@raineeholmes566]

Lets be honest Snow did that on purpose

[@alexplays_roblox1k373]

No- she didn't want Mal to get hurt

[@adriennepalos3281]

Snow is still dump, Emma can protect herself she a 30 year old woman with powerful magic!!!😐😐😐

[@CassidyStarke]

She’s still her mother. Doesn’t matter how old you get, a mothers job is never done.

[@chars1239]

@@CassidyStarke exactly

[@alexplays_roblox1k373]

@@CassidyStarke PReach

[@NickyHelp]

Protect herself? Wrong on all counts. Emma can't even protect herself from an ogre or black knights. At least Snow is the one who can, because they are her speciality. Magic does not always solve problems anyway. Also, magic can be a coward's weapon when villains use it. And at least Snow knows how to mainly face opponents like black knights and ogres and doesn't often use magic. She would for once use it if she has too or forced to like how she used fairy dust to stop the trolls and saving others. And using Mulan's sword to deflect an evil sorcerer's magic. All proving that Emma can't always take care of herself.

[@wickeddisney55]

@@NickyHelp wow you really hate Emma don't you?