Our Bizarre, Possibly Venomous, Relative

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This video contains images and video of snakes and spiders.
It's possible Euchambersia possessed venom about 20 million years before the first lizards and over 150 million years before the first snakes evolved. We’ve teamed up Sarah Suta from Bizarre Beasts to explore the story of venomous mammals, both living and extinct.
Thanks to Julio Lacerda ( / juliotheartist ) and Dmitry Bogdanov for their wonderful illustrations featured throughout this episode!
Special thanks to Julien Benoit for providing us with figures for this video!
“A Review of the ‘Venomous Therocephalian’ Hypothesis and How Multiple Re-Portrayals of Euchambersia Have Influenced its Success and Vice Versa.” Bulletin de la Societe Geologique de France.
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Title sounds like a Thanksgiving at my house.

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wHaT?

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Brilliant 😂😂👏👏

[@thatonedummkopf216]

Me too, me too.

[@that1valentian769]

Okay, Baron Franz Nopcsa is a really cool name for a paleobiologist.

[@Ditidos]

He was also a really big fan of Albania. The dude had a really wacky life.

[@unexpected2475]

Who could possibly forget the gay nobleman palentologist who was also pro-Albanian independence? Seriously, this guy's life is unbelievably bizzare.

[@cornbreadfedkirkpatrick9647]

He needs is own video

[@emm6064]

@@cornbreadfedkirkpatrick9647 Check out the Common Descent podcast (also on KZbin). They did a full biographical sketch last month!

[@cornbreadfedkirkpatrick9647]

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[@andrewmazza5184]

I think a good future video would be “The First and Last African Bears”! A discussion of why there are no bears currently living in Africa, despite other major carnivorans having a stronghold in the continent now. A discussion of extinct bear species that did live in Africa including the Atlas bear which went extinct in the 1800s.

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Ooh yes, that would be great.

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[@CaspiRose99]

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[@jennabreland5261]

I just looked it up cause I'd never heard that! It looks like the Atlas bear was imported to Africa from Spain

[@benjaminmadrigal2328]

I love how Blake is always so done with the Patreons' jokes, but Kallie is always super hyped and enjoys them thoroughly. Two sides of the Eons coin.

[@1perspective286]

I like Blake's suggestion of getting a laugh track.

[@youknownothingjohnsnow7475]

@@1perspective286 let's not go back to be getting told when to laugh.

[@hosersupreme]

He smiles and laughs, though - he enjoys despite his protests, I think

[@ms.rstake_1211]

Lol

[@AndyStarrrr]

@@youknownothingjohnsnow7475 That got me thinking, why do we think things are funny? Because we were told they were?

[@cintronproductions9430]

Vampire bats are venomous? Well that explains why Zubat, Golbat and Crobat are Poison types.

[@risyanthbalaji805]

Lol

[@Dragrath1]

Yep anticoagulant venom to help them drink blood.

[@Zaxares]

@@Dragrath1 I knew THAT, but I didn't know that it was actually classified as venom! I'd always thought it was just an anticoagulant property in their saliva.

[@teawrecks1243]

honestly some pokemon references are so obscure. like snom being based on jewel caterpillars which nobody ever heard of before snom

[@Dragrath1]

@@teawrecks1243 Very true they can pick creative and unexpected design inspirations sometimes. That said they also miss seemingly obvious inspirations like not including exotic flora and fauna from a given region Alola squandered the perfect opportunity for a Bug/Dark type Pokémon by not representing the Unique lineage or predatory caterpillars. And lets not forget that they represented some fairly obscure paleozoic fauna before any dinosaurs. Now granted I don't like how several of those were represented the Anorith line mainly as it isn't the fast and agile like its real world counterpart and I don't know what its evolution Armaldo is even supposed to be... And I didn't even know there were myths connecting antlions and dragons prior to Flygon

[@TheDanEdwards]

We all have venomous relatives, don't we?

[@AJ-dx6bn]

More like toxic

[@Th3rian_p4wz]

Idk

[@AdmiralTypeZero]

good one lad!

[@davidanderson_surrey_bc]

Today I learned that some shrews are venomous. That would explain my ex-wife.

[@crappyblueangel74]

@@davidanderson_surrey_bc who doesn't love bestiality

[@Kralj74]

Eons is a full-blown addiction of mine these days. I have the knowledge retention of a sedated springer spaniel but the hosts are so charming and the terminology is so accessible that its still fun to watch. Love you guys, thanks for keeping me sane during lockdowns 😭💕

[@vishwakumar2864]

Oh you seem to be curious ! I suggest you , after watching any of these videos, go to save subs and copy down the whole subtitles at once . Then paste them in notes. Now it looks like an article ! Give it a reading and highlight the most curious or important facts . 👍 Ofcourse its time taking, but i used to feel just like you before, that watching these videos are fun but we dont remember most of it. And then this idea struck me.

[@nrdkraft]

Snake at 2:05 in front of studio camera: “finally someone thinks I’m cute, cheeeez!”

[@Sub4CarClips]

@@catdemon922 ball pythons and hognose are really cute

[@SnekNoStepOnSnek]

Ye

[@Wolverine999]

Although Harry Potter always thinks snakes are cool & friendly.

[@Leomoon101]

I hope they keep talking about the Permian era. It is such an underrepresented subject. Edit: Takes for the likes everyone!

[@monticore1626]

@Rhizosphere damn I’ve been to Tasmania and I’m so annoyed I didn’t know about this, I’ll be sure to check it out next time I hop over

[@Leomoon101]

@Rhizosphere Stuff like this makes wish I can travel right now.

[@SatumainenOlento]

@Rhizosphere How well written...I nearly feel like I have been there now! It is probably worth of putting your thoughts and experiences into writing a little more often. Very enjoyable!!! Thank you very much for sharing! 👍💗

[@GarlicReturns]

I'm a simple man. I read Permian, I press like.

[@asralyn7339]

So much happened between the early carboniferous and the permian. I honestly don't know which era i love more, but the Permian is by *far* the strangest of the land-inhabited eras. Sometimes I kinda wonder what life would be like today had the end permian extinction never happened. I mean, life would be drastically different no matter *which* extinction didn't happen, but this one scenario in particular fascinates me.

[@charlieogre4537]

Ooh ooh ooh! I know this one! The difference between Venom and Poison is that Venom is a black metal band, while Poison is a glam metal band!

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😂😂😂😂😂 You are great!

[@vickiatabi4235]

And also true

[@GtaRipper]

Awesome how the subjects here are always super unique. Didn’t know this animal.

[@ms.rstake_1211]

👍🏿

[@thesouths964]

Glad to see the Eons crew finally talking about the therocephalians. Very underrated family of therapsids

[@MargoMB19]

0:15 Who's the cutest therapsid, you are, yes you are!

[@AWriterWandering]

Indeed I am. 😝

[@zray2937]

#suggestion An episode on taxonomy itself, and how scientist figured out how to classify extinct animals.

[@vickiatabi4235]

Yes, Please!!!

[@zooemperor3954]

Imagine if big cats or all felids had venom or even orcas had venom.

[@DiMadHatter]

You're giving me worldbuilding ideas, thanks!

[@Blortoblorto]

You ever hear of cat scratch fever? It’s not venom, but the organisms on cat claws put it in the same ballpark.

[@rodchallis8031]

with freakin' lasers on their heads.

[@rasmusn.e.m1064]

I mean, it's not like they really need it, except if they wanted to kill elephants.

[@sephikong8323]

@@DiMadHatter Reminds me of an order of creatures a friend of mine did for his Dark Fantasy/Post Apocalyptic rpg which are basically venomous big cats (which .......... two players managed to take one and pet it). The concept is that they have a venomous saliva and when they groom themselves their claws and whiskers (which are basically like cacti spikes) become drenched in it and can deliver it to their prey/aggressor. The best idea he had was to have a species of those things be basically the universe's Shiba in both size, color schemes and temperament, but they are basically the forbidden Shiba as handling them could mean exposing yourself to a pretty potent neurotoxin that can paralyze you if you're not careful or even kill you if you were REALLY not careful. Idk why, but I just love the idea of cats that groom themselves with venomous saliva and even when they don't want to harm you they are still dangerous

[@alioramus1637]

I remember Euchambersia from Walking with monsters. Therocephalians have always fascinated me with their adaptability. They were one of the few therapsid lineages to survive into the Triassic after the Permian extinction. There is good evidence they also had whiskers and whiskers are modified fur so therocephalians were likely covered in fur.

[@georgeuferov1497]

Actually fur is a modified whiskers

[@SuperBC1975]

Venomous mammals. "How bizarre How bizarre, how bizarre."

[@nettness]

Ooooh Baby! Ooooh baby, venom's making me crazy, it's making me craaazeeeeeh..!

[@MrIrrationalSmith]

Every time I chomp on down Every time I chomp on down It's in my fangs!

[@SuperBC1975]

"Everytime I look around (Everytime I look around) Everytime I look around The venom. AHHHH! It's in my face"

[@steveharrison3007]

Buy the rights How bizarre.

[@simonmartinez6538]

Cruising down the freeway in the HOT HOT SUn

[@jens8533]

This channel is pure gold.

[@clintmcbride7830]

That is one jacked nerd. You, sir, are my hero

[@AJ-dx6bn]

Chad nerd hybrid

[@dynamosaurusimperious6341]

I was in a family of venomous proto-mammals, COOOL

[@TheArchosaurian]

oh hi-you watch these too? Bruh now i get why everybody says they see you everywhere XD

[@paleostories_7839]

I new you were going to comment here XD

[@adamthespinygiant]

Who else remember seeing something like this towards the end of Walking with Monsters? ✋

[@davidegaruti2582]

yup , terrifying creature

[@akumaking1]

Same.

[@Lmpkio]

Pretty certain that "therocephalian" (as it was called in the Episode) was supposed to represent Euchambersia itself.

[@zooemperor3954]

Terrifying.

[@maffy715]

It was also in Primeval

[@cbsboyer]

If it bites you and you die, it's venomous. If you bite it and you die, it's poisonous. If you both bite each other and nobody dies, it's just kinky.

[@georgeparkins777]

Aren't Klingons in star trek all three lmao

[@KimberlyGreen]

I approve of this cross-collab. Let's have more!

[@MrIrrationalSmith]

Seriously. If this became the new format - Blake or Kallie hosting then deferring to the more specialized expert - I'd be very happy. It was nice seeing a new face and hearing a new speech pattern.

[@somedude2817]

I would love to see a video on corvid evelution (I.E. the family of birds including ravens, crows, magpies and jays).

[@tildessmoo]

I know we all miss Steve when the patron names come up, but hands up, who remembers S. R. Foxley?

[@CosmoMorel]

i was just wondering what happened to both of them :(

[@tildessmoo]

@@CosmoMorel I don't know about Steve, but S. R. Foxley does still show up on various edutainment channels.

[@christophermolitor4554]

Both actually. What legends, I do hope they’re well.

[@veggieboyultimate]

I remember seeing this animal from Walking with Monsters although they only referred to it as a therocephalian.

[@stax6092]

Absolutely love Bizarre Beasts and Sarah. Would love to see more of her.

[@Beryllahawk]

The puns at the end of these videos are the "stinger" aren't they Blake

[@greenkoopa]

Is it just me or is Blake getting swole 💪💪

[@MrIrrationalSmith]

Getting? He has been swole for a long while. He's just dressing conservatively in this vid. The dude is distractingly handsome.

[@Beryllahawk]

@@MrIrrationalSmith isn't he though.

[@Seadalgo]

Such a promising pun thread derailed

[@epauletshark3793]

Yes, I believe they are.

[@akumaking1]

Anyone remember “Walking with Monsters”?

[@apttewly]

It's on youtube, I watch it occasionally

[@benjireil4243]

i was so young when i first saw it I thought it was real lol

[@jakeapjohn1274]

Hell yeah, it got me hooked on paleontology

[@midoriya_mumble]

I watched that one so much, usually at night as I was falling asleep. I've always loved paleontology. ^_^

[@djamelben9221]

yeah i remember that they used the cynodont model from walking with dinosaurs to play the therocephalian

[@psiphyre]

This episode is an awesome collaboration! & _Euchambersia_ is a beauty of a fossil - it fits right in the palm of your hand!

[@Deform-2024]

There is also Megawhaitsia Patrichae, a far larger therocephalian that also was believed to have a similar possible venom system.

[@Atrenix]

Hey, how about an episode about the evolution of spiders

[@Dragrath1]

Arachnid evolution is still quite mysterious and complicated particularly with the open questions of the phylogeny of chelicerates. Genetics studies indicate that horseshoe crabs are a sister group tot the hooded tick spiders which has morphological evidence supporting it as well. Horseshoe crabs appear far back in the Ordovician and is at a similar branch level of the arachnid tree suggesting their shared last common ancestors too had to have arisen by the Ordovician however that doesn't answer if they are or were true spiders. The oldest true spider fossils apparently date back to the carboniferous where they occurred alongside many other lineages of close relative "stem spiders' many of which based on Amber appear to have coexisted at least into the Cretaceous. Complex orb weaver like were present at least by the Jurassic where the oldest fossil web known is preserved in Amber. There are also rare imprint fossils too which together with amber is basically the spider fossil record. Then as we all know at the end of the Cretaceous really bad stuff happened due to the long list of spider groups I will quote Wikipedia "There appears to be a faunal turnover in the Cretaceous-Cenozoic interval, with the Cretaceous dominated by Synspermiata and Palpimanoidea, as well as enigmatic extinct families like the lagonomegopids, while the Cenozoic is dominated by RTA clade and araneoid spiders." onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/brv.12559 Basically spiders were hit by the K-Pg extinction like everything else probably

[@davidanderson_surrey_bc]

@@Dragrath1 Every so often I come upon a reply or comment from someone who either knows his stuff or does the research on the fly just so some great knowledge can be shared with those in the class who give a crap. Thanks, Dragrath1, for your post.

[@ElectroKraken]

I had no idea that therapsids could have existed as far back as the late Carboniferous. I only expected their "pelycosaur" relatives during that time

[@bradenhoefert2109]

I think that may be an error and they’re thinking of the synapsids.

[@jthompson2379]

That thing is so cute!! I don't care if it's venomous, I still wanna hug that good boi! 💙

[@jonraquet6629]

Blake's come a long way since he first started. He's probably my favorite host on eons now

[@aelithmackinnon8656]

I've binge-watched PBS here on KZbin and I wish there was more. Just glad that more is being produced.

[@lesleyghostdragon3149]

Eons really needs a dinosaur behind a drum set to give our lovely end-of-show joke tellers a "bu-dum-dum-cha" : ) Thanks for your awesome work, Eonites xoxo

[@Lishadra]

I’d love to see a video talking about the evolution of egg-laying mammals!

[@emm6064]

This is the second time I've run into Franz Nopcsa this year. The Common Descent podcast did a whole episode on him last month. Weird synchronicity or the Baader-Meinhof phenomenon?

[@OleanderSmoothie]

3:16 it's so cute when they show euchambersia to scale next to blake, it looks like a little puppy!

[@tijanamilenkovic3425]

Either that or Blake is going through bodybuilder phase

[@yourresume373]

8:18 "So fangs to this month's eontologists" *My Immortal author's note flashbacks*

[@theangryholmesian4556]

So goffik.

[@christianhunt7382]

I LOVE EONS!! THANKS GUYS

[@PapaTaurean]

I love learning about extinct animals. This is always so fascinating to peer back in time at animals that used to be on this planet

[@LouisXavierBRUSSET]

Well, do you know that Julien Benoît got his own KZbin channel? Check «Entracte Science» for French listeners only

[@Seadalgo]

He was amazing to listen to on the joint trip to the Karoo recorded by Aron Ra, too bad I cannot speak French

[@akirakiel6142]

For people who don't speak french, he also has an English youtube channel named with his name. Search "Julien Benoit" on youtube and you should find it! ^^

[@judsonwall8615]

Therapsids and Synapsids are my absolute favorite animals I’ve learned about from Eons

[@Cypresssina]

I'm hoping for a video on the siats. I've been hoping for a long video on the baryonyx for ages, so I guess I continue to hope and wait. I have not been disappointed in the waiting though. So many wonderful topics of discussion.

[@elmodomingo83]

There is also a venomous therapsid from the documentary “Walking with monsters”. It’s called the therocephalian

[@balto76bourque51]

That Therocephalian is Euchamberisa, though I'm not sure how big they are, in "Walking with Monsters" they were the size of a Wolf in a sprawling posture, but research pages on this animal says that it was way smaller than that, maybe the same size as a Goanna Monitor Lizard, also Euchamberisa lived in southern Africa, and were way more diverse in the late Permian era between 256 to 255 million Years Ago, maybe they too survived "The Permian-Triassic Extinction" and when the Triassic Biodiversity began recovering 248 MYA they're numbers Mildly recovered, but throughout the Triassic they're numbers dwindled as the earliest True Dinosaurs appeared, and by the Late Triassic Epoch, about 216 MYA they then died out...

[@lolzbot2000]

is it weird that i find it cute, if i had one as a pet i would name it Hans.

[@zaki4117]

“Can’t you see the resemblance” lol

[@claramoro8228]

I'm so glad this channel exists 💛

[@andrewkinsey8754]

Cool video, nice to meet you Sarah! :-)

[@jbrindley9327]

aww the illustrations of beast looks so cute

[@mitchellhilbert8874]

I like the host split in this episode. Adds a nice pause and break in the conversation

[@carnivorehunter127]

I love these videos, so educational

[@jaisanatanrashtra7035]

2:48 the Ear less puppy ❤️💜💜💜

[@cordatusscire344]

As always, an excellent episode.

[@Fruush]

love how this channel is so faithful to its bibliography.

[@CKPill]

Happy Thanksgiving great stuff guys. Thanks

[@benjib0yyy]

Zaddddddy is backkkk

[@sleepy_Dragon]

In German we don't differentiate. It's just "Gift". (And yes, the root is the same as the English "gift".)

[@AJ-dx6bn]

Hei

[@Z_732]

Good vid you guys! Well done. Cant wait for the next one

[@TheDinosaurus99]

Great episode yall. As always. Dont forget tyrannpsaurids and pinnipeds evolution

[@xfodude8511]

I'm already pretty venomous according to my family...

[@TheBlueB0mber]

Easy fix; just stop biting people!

[@AnarchyWerebitch]

Hey, me too!!! 😂 I have lost a lot of friends because of that, but I am who I am, for better and for worse.

[@aer_ea]

Great video! I learn more and more from it! Thanks.

[@youknownothingjohnsnow7475]

Imagine being cool mammal with this advanced venom technology unlocked but still dying out coz devs made stupid cats or smth too OP.

[@sharksuperiority9736]

Wow, I was just researching Euchambersia a while ago. So this is cool

[@hrpdrp97]

This was uploaded on my birthday! AND therapsids are my favorite "dinos" this was really cool to see 😊

[@osgabriel20]

I like the way things are presented in an exciting way

[@toniatchison3678]

Hey Blake, long time no see! Excellent episode, too!

[@zzernathezebra]

Honestly, the way it is described reminds me of how komodo dragons use their venom

[@gofriskyourself-truepacife6025]

When I started watching the video it showed that it had zero views, comments, or likes. First time this has happened to me.

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Best way anyone ever said "first" 😃👍

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@@nunyobidniz Lol. Thanks

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I love guests and I loved this episode

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Finally subscribing... love this channel.

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Love this channel :)

[@nattyzazabeast]

You guys ever Notice how the guy on here is absolutely Shredded

[@andrewslatter8115]

when I was in fourth grade I did a report on Plateosaurus, long story short it is and always has been since then "my favorite dinosaur." It would be so awesome if you could do a story on them, pretty please with sugar on top, and thank you so very much!!! :)

[@TristanBishop-re6nm]

Stunning

[@americangirl6654]

Hooray! Another Permian video. The animals from the Permian are my favorite.

[@No-kb9oy]

i learned about this thing from “walking with monsters”

[@m0thman815]

WHY IS THE PALEO-ART SO CUTE

[@originofcomics4973]

Tittle and the video is great as usual man👍🏻😎👍🏻

[@Darrinsworld]

I've always wanted to know more about these since seeing them in "walking with monsters"

[@madderhat5852]

I knew about the platypus but not the other mammals. I love learning something new. And it's so cute, too.

[@tleilaxu42]

Collaboration between Bizarre Beasts and Eons? Instant thumbs up, even if it contains images of spiders...

[@da0kitheviking143]

3:22 wholesome moment, like it!

[@ARTICTOPA5]

This channel taught me more than school has

[@monstrogoth]

that's fascinating !

[@Guillaumelapomme]

French native here: 10 points for gryffondor for not saying Benoi’T

[@stardude2006]

Awww he’s a cute little critter !!! 😇❤️

[@BradHerrera]

I love these videos :)

[@chhavimanichoubey9437]

unique delivery this time

[@jonathanorlando1294]

Beast Heads would be a sweet band name.

[@gailaltschwager7377]

Thank you!

[@evaberger3527]

Hey! I would be really interested why animals developed trunks! Maybe you could make a video about that? Great videos!

[@corvuscallosum5079]

"our" and "relative" doing a lot of legwork here

[@nickmalachai2227]

He's like a second cousin.

[@georgeparkins777]

Well, no, because it literally is related to us, and much more closely than a majority of animal life on Earth. It's closer to us than all invertebrates, which make up the majority of animals by weight, all modern fish, all modern amphibians, all reptiles and all dinosaurs (including birds). Literally the only group closer to us than therapsids are modern mammals, which, while a large class, is only modestly-sized in the face of ALL OTHER animal life. So yes, our relative. Do you not call cousins relatives? They're also defined by sharing a common ancestor.

[@corvuscallosum5079]

@@georgeparkins777 As far as we can tell, all life shares a common ancestor. The implication I intended wasn't that "our" and "relative" were incorrect terms to use, but rather that they were being stretched beyond customary use. Customarily, we do call cousins our relatives, but we don't call all humans our relatives even though that is true in the absolute sense, and the human most distantly related to you is still many many times closer a relative than these guys.

[@keith3761]

Thanks Sarah!

[@markweidemann4641]

Very Cool Display Of Venomous Mammal History... And Such A Great Way to Introduce Young Intrepid Scientists to be, of the Amazing Natural History of Our Amazing Planet!!! 👍

[@mropinionated2849]

I would like to see a video explaining how we went from the same skin tone to all the different races and skin tones we have now. (Might be too simple but I like how Eons explains things)

[@CottonCandySharks]

You're amazing, great humor

[@square721bt]

"Beast head" seems unnecessarily cruel, that is clearly a vampire puppy.