Our Desk Has a Pull-Out Keyboard Tray - Game Changer or Gimmick?

[@ezmoore27]

Matt just solving all the problems by not overthinking it. Great CEO.

[@alliroarr6180]

Ill keep saying my 2 cents here, I think there should be a Shelf addition in place of a dog bed addition to any coffee table option, this way it doesn't isolate to *only* dog owners, when your prototype is applicable to *many more customers* than dog owners

[@ericbrueningsen4877]

^This right here. Modularity is arguable the cornerstone of WW design philosophy (imo at least) so adding that extra versatility would be sweet. I'm not sure if they still plan on having a panel that can slide in and out of the bed opening, but if so, having that in with a shelf would make a nice little area for wide storage.

[@xLisranda]

I feel like a big contributor to the less than stellar performance of the first round of modular desk was that it was competing in purpose against a LOT of generic stuff -- some of which frankly did the job better, though less attractive. The musician's keyboard tray is a first step in opening up the digital audio workstation market, for semi-professionals who would never use just a standard desk but aren't getting their studio furniture custom built for the space. For the large desk, a 19" rack module instead of drawers and a 2U 19" bridge-hutch over the top of the desk that doubles as a monitor stand would crack that market wide open. A drafting-desk/artist package that gives you a large adjustable angled work surface on top could crack a number of specialized markets. I think accessory packages that convert the base desk into the specialized desks used by different professions is the winning ticket. All of Wyrmwoods products target a special interest. MGT targets a special function. Having the desk be a modular system that can target any of several specialized professional product markets breaks it out of competing with IKEA.

[@mrblicc]

Took the words right out of my mouth

[@cgnefarious5785]

"Who wants a keyboard at their desk?" Home studio musicians who are known for spending ungodly amounts of money on their equipment.

[@Frankenstein786]

Yeah you’re hired.

[@UncontrollableTV]

Another bit of feedback from the KZbinrs - can we get a version of the coffee table that doesn’t have the dog bed? Like a Wyrmwood lift-top coffee table? I would buy one and throw my current one out in a heartbeat.

[@sniperlemming]

That Keyboard tray would be sooooo good for painting minis, keep all my paints painting mat, pallet brushes etc on there and just pull it out when you wanna do a little more...my biggest hurdle to getting more painting done is just ease of access, that big tray would be soo good for that...

[@NiLem98]

I play piano since age 6 (20 years now, 16 of which I had a teacher) and I tried producing music a bit, but for me, a good setup to whip out at random times when a musical thought occurs was important, which is a big reason why it didn't go anywhere. I like the idea of sliding the keyboard under the table and having it available right there without the need of turning away from the screen or shuffling stuff around. Also just in general the space to store stuff that one needs at his desk on the daily like a drawing tablet with stylus, writing utensils, folders of current projects, etc. without having everything clutter and disturb the workspace.

[@weekendjedi42]

Send one to Linus of LTT fame to do a lookover. Then you have someone who very much has experience with desks and computers reviewing it.

[@WellBattle6]

That import fee going to be killer though, even when it’s a loaner and not sold.

[@Reyn_Roadstorm]

That giant pullout tray is something I just wouldn't want... however! A giant enclosed pullout *_drawer..._* Now that would grab my attention. If you could, design it in such a where where the front and back could be closed up¹ while also using the same parts already being used for the keyboard style drawer, so you won't end up doubling your entire parts list for the drawer(s). The back could be something as simple as a thin MDF panel that slides down into a slot, since it wouldn't really be seen. Making the front aesthetically pleasing while also being easily convertible would be the more challenging aspect. ¹Definitely gotta plug those cable management slots in the back so all your random bits and bobs don't go flying out the back every time you open or close it.

[@RaXXha]

The 90s called and wanted their keyboard drawers back. 😅 They're often not very good for ergonomics since the desk gets too thick. This forces you to raise it (to fit your legs under it), and that makes the desk surface to high for your arms and shoulders.

[@Zackroseman]

^this keyboard trays are in the past

[@jonevansauthor]

100% this. They're useless. They were great for very cheap desks, for very cramped spaces like a teen's bedroom. But not good for an adult buying a lifetime desk. I liked the idea when I first encountered it, but later in life, I just removed the things and didn't use them having banged my legs too many times. I feel like almost all the good ideas are in the SecretLab Magnus Pro and the Corsair desk, and Ergotrons pegboards and monitor mounts and so on. First, duplicate those. Second, don't try and innovate. Third, profit.

[@Morcarag]

I can only speak for myself, but I love my keyboard drawer (at a desk I spend 8-10 hours at 5-6 days a week). It keeps the keyboard at the right height and the desk surface available for laptops, notes, papers, etc. Of course it should be an option as some people won't want it, and that's fine.

[@jonevansauthor]

As an addendum - as useful product would be something that mounted over the desk, and held a laptop, or keyboard, or stored one and let you pull it out. They've got that long monitor stand thingy and that could have such a drawer or slide out shelf in it, if it was screwed down/clamped to the desk top.

[@luna3120]

Also only speaking for myself. I have a gaming PC and my work laptop all on the same desk. I love my keyboard draw because it saves space on my small desk. The ergonomic concern is valid but I guess I value my surface space more.

[@DanKlein1]

Once again, CEO Matt with the best feedback. Give that human a bonus per impression!

[@emilnilsson7204]

You should definitely Offer Both! Smaller one for the City People that lives in cramp apartments. And the Big one for us Country folks who needs a bit bigger furniture for our big Houses.

[@The.Crystal.Clods.]

Also people with L shaped couches, which I am an owner of 😬

[@moutonrustique]

Amazing to see the similarities and the *differences(!)* between the brothers. Might seem like a 'tame' episode, but it's very nice the see how stuff gets done.

[@edwardwilson7459]

Love the idea of a huge tray. I feel every desk has just a little less utility storage than i need

[@terry3906]

I will never be a musician, but I love this absolute unit of a sliding tray.

[@DomPalombiMusic]

As a fellow musician, a keyboard tray on this kind of desk would be AMAZING. I’ve been lowkey wanting a wyrmwood desk for a long time, and that might make me pull the trigger 😂

[@natyong]

Computer keyboard pull out shelf on the coffee table that retracts when top is closed. Asking for quite a bit but that's where you put your remotes, laptop, etc. for storage when you want to work at the couch.

[@AB-ke2lw]

If theres a way to make the keyboard tray hardware not visible that would be perfect. I really like the full desk width keyboard tray, the cutouts in the back are a great touch.

[@MrGoalie2012]

11:20 holy i just had so many memories flood back because of this. thanks matt XD

[@McMindflayer]

I legit thought Ian was making a joke about how big the tray was when talking about piano's versus keyboards, but then Matt was like "No, I brought piano keyboards to test it out."

[@StacksArmstrong]

So an something I wish more desks had, is a laptop tray. Something where I can dock my laptop and tuck it away. It would be much like a keyboard tray, just with different ergonomics.

[@thegurns6976]

I would love that keyboard tray to be able to have my miniatures and painting materials on.

[@paulsinchuk4198]

The keyboard tray is amazing. I hate desks that can only fit a keyboard and your mouse ends up on the desk. You should make a custom size pad to fit that tray!

[@original-benandez]

For the keyboard tray you could supply different length stand offs, but maintain the overall design of the wooden element.

[@MMKMoore1]

I used to play piano when I was a kid, but I can barely read music now. I can see the keyboard drawer being useful for musicians, as a way to keep their keyboard handy but out of the way when they're not playing. I have one that's lived in my closet for ages, since I don't have a convenient place to keep it out.

[@Morcarag]

It's not a keyboard tray, but I do really like the Grovemade handling of this on their desk. Really nice storage drawer system there.

[@tangyboi6420]

Honest opinion -- the most likely customer is someone with money. People with money have full sized couches. What percentage of people in this market have dogs in small cramped spaces who ALSO have $1000 to blow on a coffee table? Its gotta be pretty slim. America likes BIG things. Go with one size, keep it simple.

[@justinwahe5798]

Seconded

[@Morcarag]

Until you cycle into the people with even more money and space who want a big one and a matching smaller one to fit the random nook or awkward area of the room 🙂

[@SirRorando]

People with money can also live in extremely overpriced apartments in NYC, Where space is still a premium even when having money, Or people with a small second living room

[@tangyboi6420]

@@SirRorando Yeah i just doubt its a sizable amount of customers for wyrmwood. Luxury coffee tables designed for dogs in a small new york, la, or other big city just feels a bit like trying to sell a car salesman a car. No doubt they're out there. If the smaller size creates sku bloat, additional overhead for the business, and a harder time forecasting stock...it feels like they would be far better off designing a lower cost sku that can be sized multiple ways. Its like selling a prophecy table for a NYC apartment. People blowing 10-20 grand on a table dont want it to only sit 6 people.

[@idontwantthith]

You could just sell it and spacers for the keyboard shelf so if the customer has to tall of a keyboard they just put a spacer in to increase the depth

[@afaigni92]

Wyrmwood & LTT collab would go hard. Exotic wood screwdrivers & Cable managed desks.

[@zacharyjordan]

War pup makes me think of "Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war" ~Billy S. As Mark Anthony in Julius Caesar

[@BenjaminKlahn]

@11:00 the little brown one also just looks way better than the big ugly light colored one, TBF.

[@GhostFromTheFuture]

Lighting consoles and video editing keyboards might also work... may be edge cases but those are the people who may have the budget to go for some of your higher end stuff.

[@AndrewTGuest]

Instead of drawers on the coffee table maybe a seal it off and have storage for blankets hidden through the top - reduces hardware but would it be more annoying to grab it out the top idk (or a large cabinet drawer to put them in). I feel like most people need that type of storage and maybe a specific spot for tv remotes (aka somewhere where the dogs can’t find and gnaw on them)

[@melodyhawley]

I love the keyboard shelf, even for not a keyboard. Great to shove away projects

[@dack981]

One key (har har) would be to have the mount frame for the music keyboard tray to also support mounting drawers rigidly below it still (to the same height/depth as the original) to reinforce the "modular" concept.

[@animemenga125]

i absolutely LOVE the big dog bed with extra storage. but i also have a big living room that can handle it.

[@ScytheNoire]

These coffee tables are turning out really nice. Pretty soon Wyrmwood would be offering hutches and dressers.

[@MMKMoore1]

I want drawers in my coffee table, especially if it has a lift top. Many years ago, I had a big coffee table where the center lifted, and either side had hinged tops to get to the storage underneath. It was a PITA to access, since a coffee table always has stuff on it. Most things just sat in there until I emptied it out to sell it.

[@Xjere]

Dogs are going to love opening those push drawers...

[@StockmateOK]

I have to say, Ian does a great job at being Doug. Random cat names and the trusty old keyboard/cat tray

[@Hoigwai]

In Colorado, you are called for a specific case. If the case is postponed or canceled or you are not selected you go back to the bottom of the pool. About every 5-7 years is how often I have been called for Jury duty.

[@jeremybruggeman8916]

I was at Jury Duty in Pueblo a month or two ago. There was a guy who gets a summons every year or two, however he and his son don't use jr. or sr. abbreviations. His son still has the home address listed with the state for car insurance and stuff. The guy really has no idea if it's him or his son actually getting the summons, but he is retired and doesn't really mind going so....he said he has been on the jury eight times in the last ten years or so

[@TheT8or]

I want a piano keyboard tray so freaking bad. I've been trying to build one for my keyboard and my current IKEA desk. I've got a full size keyboard, so I need it LARGE.

[@TurtleKwitty]

I ended up using two 2x2 kallax as legs and a kitchen island as my desk because of this haha

[@garrettparmenter938]

Make sure console controllers fit under the table top. Also, if the damper BOM cost is the concern you would use three to triangulate the top flat. One would just be awkwardly in the middle of a long side.

[@Padre186]

IAN! I have and love that yellow pencil. Nice to see another one in the wild.

[@The.Crystal.Clods.]

The dog bed element was never for me, but damn that’s a sexy looking coffee table

[@perrin26]

I like the large tray. I have a large wacom and with a keyboard there is never a tray large enough. Sometimes I prop books there and galaxy note etc... space is very useful.

[@ThePercOfGaming]

Love the idea of the keyboard tray, but would suggest making it available for purchase outside of with the desk. I literally built something similar for my current desk and would love to be able to purchase it individually. I also agree to allow for more legroom if people don’t purchase the motorized version. would be nice to have a all black version so I know you guys hate using stains

[@noahtrimble9923]

I like how the topper of the coffee table comes out. Could it support eating on it while it’s open? Like a food trey?

[@jimmcmillanmusic]

Came for the Pull-Out Keyboard, stayed for Ed's t-shirt and the Minilogue.

[@carlosrivera3734]

I say, one coffee table option, and one "end" table option that will be new alternative to a "blended" dog kenel; meaning that the end table kenel is a furniture and not some gaudy metal kennel. Granted it's very niche.

[@larryivymusic]

I was just thinking I wish these guys made computer desks for musicians….and boom!

[@tdbsr7]

what about including a front panel that folds up on the try to hide the front view of the drawer? Could would match the top and then it would just look like a skirt.

[@smith186]

I have a coffee table with a lift top, and which is beat to hell and needs replacing. But there's a critical check that isn't clear from your videos: Does the top have enough room to do a 1000-piece jigsaw puzzle comfortably? That's one of the most common use-cases for my coffee table, and I can't be alone there. If you're looking into niche nerd stuff for the desks, you'd definitely get some interest from me if I could get a mounted 19" server rack cabinet on one side. For me, I've got a bunch of networking gear piled up on/near the desk that I'd love to get more organized, and I know that pro audio editing equipment is often also rack-mounted. Definitely need good power and cable management for that, maybe some soundproofing. Right now I've got an Ikea bookshelf+desk combo that I'd like to replace with something nicer, but haven't come across anything that is as utilitarian in the same footprint.

[@timwlake]

Yes, but the more important question is, what talents does the wyrmwood staff have (besides woodworking)? I'm thinking talent show! First place $300, second place $200, and 3rd at $100. It'd be some good content!

[@alerdal1]

Make the upper storage a drawer attached to the lid. This would make it more accessible when sitting on the couch.

[@Reyn_Roadstorm]

Probably more arguments to be made against that than their would be for it. The first would be that since it's designed as a dog bed, they would want to keep a solid ceiling in the kennel area so that when it's lifted the dog doesn't poke it's head up into the area where the drawer would nest. This would result in the depth of the drawer needing to be reduced, more hardware parts needing to be milled/ordered/tracked/etc, and the overall weight of the unit increasing. Also, because of the added weight of the drawer itself, as well as the new variable of the weight of whatever you put in the drawer (and you would of course have the weight of whatever is sitting ON the coffee table when it's closed too)... You could run into an issue where if the springs and soft close dampers were kept the same, they weren't strong enough for the added weight. Or if they were beefed up they may be too strong while it's unloaded, keeping the lid raised slightly. And then you get into considerations of stronger hardware costing more... Honestly the lift lid is going to have a downside pretty much no matter what. You can use it as a table to eat on or whatever or you can flip it around so it lifts away from you, giving easier access to the drawer but losing the use of the raised table.

[@snowpython]

You could put a holder underneath the popup topper to hold the remote

[@PatrickUnrated1]

I guess you have to pick whether you want a keyboard tray or cabinets? I’m guessing you wouldn’t be able to have both with that configuration.

[@d_dave7200]

While I wasn't planning on getting one of the coffee tables, if we did, it would likely have to be the smaller one.

[@XonyxkingX]

I hope the final version of the coffee table has the magnetic rail.

[@ShaedStealer]

The dampers would need to be calibrated to the topper weight. You can tell it's not closing all the way because the dampers are holding it up. Why not some gas struts instead of the spring loaded ones? They would also need calibration, but you get the spring open combined with dampening.

[@CRAZY-ED]

I tried gas struts and they closed sooooo slowly. Hell I even tried putting both gas struts and springs

[@lamerlame4153]

This also works for artist with large pen displays and want to be close up to it but still have the pc keyboard close at hand for shortcuts.

[@lady_pumpkin]

I have waited so long for the war/lillipup to be a thing!!! Probably would go for the Warpup for the cubbies.

[@DriveupLife22]

Only professional musicians are going to want that keyboard tray. No normal person uses a keyboard tray anymore.

[@sisyphushappyxvx]

Many musicians want the keyboard drawer under the desk to use midi instruments.

[@desagreable]

I dont play keyboard (music) but I do use a lot of my computer keyboard. That been said, I think the keyboard tray for a musical keyboard is way more useful (even for me) than a computer keyboard tray.

[@Unclebillyr]

Cool, now you guys have a Gray napping couch.

[@CRAZY-ED]

Shhhh

[@lydiamiller6023]

C’mon Ed, a loveseat has two seats, a couch has three or more, a sectional has an edge.

[@DeathToAllHamsters]

I have never ever sat at a table with a keyboard "tray" and thought omg this is so awesome... no it has always been shitty either it´s too short or it bounces like mad everytime you type

[@bloodearnest]

I build my own version of this keyboard tray on my current desk! The lack of this feature was what caused me to dismiss the desk first time round, fwiw. Not that it matters, as I live in the EU :shrug:

[@amaterasufe1520]

Honestly am really digging the large coffee table. Probably would be something I would buy once released. Currently rocking crappy Walmart one that is just awful

[@peterwimberly3423]

Could you turn the warpup into a true coffee table? Would love a coffee table in this style verses just the table and in theory it is minimal work just adding 2 more sets of draws?

[@aaronwalker2125]

That oversize keyboard tray could be excellent for all kinds of professionals as well, who use other interfaces for their work. It’s a great higher end concept.

[@d_dave7200]

I play piano, but tbh I'd rather have a separate stand for my keyboard or separate piano since I'm not making music. If I got a desk I might get this anyway though for other things. Would be nice to get some clutter off my desk top.

[@stcgamesiplay3786]

i can play the simple one handed Ode to Joy. I wan the big one with drawers for the coffee table. For the desk keyboard holder why don't you look at having 2-3 spacer sizes so if they have a low profile keyboard they don't have to have it drop down so much or if they do need the space they can drop it lower as needed?

[@MishanAngel]

Both. Both is good. And. I love that my giant mouse pad will still fit on the keyboard try. 😂

[@kylemurphy5576]

Is there an option to not have the hinged top and be able to choose leaf panels like how the MGT is? I feel like people would want to play games in the cubby and you could still use it as storage. I get that there is the Lilliput but for those with a dog it's the best of both worlds!

[@okashiromi5541]

I think you are underestimating the utility of just a large, packable space. One obv example is streaming. Pretty much every single professional streamer has at least one stream deck or stream deck alternative of some size, so it's nice to not have it clatter the desk when not in use. Or, bringing it back to table gaming. I play warhammer, I just found my new minis building station. Tbf personally I think those types of use cases will be more appealing then the straightforward keyboard storing ones

[@Micge]

I'd use that shelf just for my keyboard and mouse so my cat has a place in front of me on the actual desk.

[@ChaoticEko]

I would need to buy the smaller dog table thing since my couch has the chase leg thing shape doodad.

[@adamh253]

So are the full size dog beds no longer a thing? The coffee tables look great but my choco lab def won’t fit in either of the coffee table beds. I would love to get a dog bed that matches my MGT.

[@sharky98]

What about pneumatic or hydraulic hinges to get rid of both the dampener and the spring noise?

[@erichess4279]

Matt should write a song that includes the spring noise ;p

[@kylspok]

I feel like I would prefer the finger grooves to just run the whole length. Gets rid of the 2 slots standing out so much

[@ZachC990]

Kinda disappointed in the Halloween selection this year. Was looking to get a coffin rolling tray but only offer vaults.

[@daethwing188]

I prefer the lil pup to the more-pup.

[@philliplevine9167]

end tables version with the big one

[@CrimsonRockStar01]

Matt makes music? Where's that at? We wanna hear it!!

[@BenRangel]

Not a fan of desks with keyboard shelves under the table. I keep my knees and legs very close to the table surface, so any shelf ends up getting in the way. But hey - I'm not in the market for a premium desk, so take this with a pinch of salt.

[@ScytheNoire]

I hate small keyboard trays, they are useless. A larger tray would be useful to hold a full sized keyboard and mouse, and wide would allow it to be for left or right handed. Although holding a musical keyboard... not what I was expecting.

[@orionthepursuer]

I’m in for one of the small dog beds!

[@Sodohodos]

Shoootttt. I just bought the supplies to make my own sit/stand keyboard tray desk...... That's actually why I didn't order the wyrmwood bc I didn't want to drill into your desk haha

[@MaryMorelli]

Give us door options for people that want to use them for just storage!

[@gtg758r]

Do both but I'm getting the larger one with drawers.

[@nautica1504]

if you have a small apartment and buy a love seat instead you are definitely waiting 2 years to buy a $1,200 coffee table

[@fredmyers503]

What if you installed a tray like the keyboard tray under the coffee table lifting lid. so your remotes come up to you?

[@elgigantegrande]

How much, if at all, is the dampener's strength affected by the weight that's on the top?

[@palexanderrice]

Both dog bed sizes makes sense. Not everyone has space

[@dneuhart]

Will it be deep enough to be able to take a computer keyboard into negative tilt?

[@sir_snarf]

Anyone else feel like the top raise arms are too long/tall? So many sofas these days are much lower than the old school sofas and I love the idea of the pull forward topper for eating, but worried those arms are too tall

[@Yazevo]

the coffee table tops open the wrong way, they should open away from you, then you can access the stuff inside without getting up. priority number 1, no standing.

[@WyrmLyfe]

The top lifts towards you so you can eat or use a laptop without having to bend over the table

[@ennok4231]

Matt saying 'chaise' in the most 'Murica pronunciation - all the French speakers went 'quoi?'