Our honest opinion of F1's Drive to Survive: Season 5

[@Hakumai_o7]

Vettel had so many incredible drives this year in his twilight season. To hear he hardly features at all, even in his final race or that incredible recovery drive in COTA is extremely saddening to hear as a Vettel fan of many years now

[@sudanc3951]

Maybe it's by his choice😧

[@SW-8228]

Its probably by his choice. Because i dont think hes been much in it period

[@tronmcrae]

Ya, they never really featured Vettel before. I always assumed by his choice since he's not too much into media stuff.

[@nono-mu9rw]

might just be his choice, he doesn't strike me as one of the drivers who is interested in providing netflix lots of access etc

[@Good_Horsey]

You want a decent Seb farewell, high-quality video production? I can only direct you to Josh Revell's channel. 👌

[@freespiritnz]

Shame about KMag's pole not getting more airtime. Otherwise, I'm glad to hear they listened to the feedback about fake drama.

[@thomaschui2141]

i think it has to be a good moment but they just have that much time so ig they have cut a lot of happy footages

[@allisonbierman1602]

NOOOOO I was so looking forward to seeing this 😢

[@freespiritnz]

​@@allisonbierman1602same. Feels like a missed opportunity. Was the moment of the season for me. I mean...a Haas on pole?!?

[@mcgoo721]

Tbh I never understood the hype. It wasn't on any kind of merit. It was crazy/funny but even latifi would have gotten pole in that situation.

[@dustyice3110]

@@mcgoo721 Gentleman, a short view back to the past ...

[@-._.-._.-Sully-._.-._.-]

And here I was thinking Brazil would be a heavily featured race with kmag’s pole, George’s first win, the Hamilton-Verstappen collision, Alonso-Olcon collision, and the Verstappen-Perez incident seemed like something they’d eat up but I guess not.

[@aryotaheri7421]

Maybe they were doing a ryan johnson, and trying to “subvert our expectations” because lord knows I thought there’s gonna be three episodes dedicated to Brazil 😅😂

[@tobygreppellini5960]

i dont think they dared mention verstappen atall so not surprised there was no checo/hamilton/verstappen darama

[@nielsvanheteren]

Doubt anyone at Red Bull would give them anymore insight on the drama in Brasil, they spoke with each other after and seemed to have fixed it so I doubt anyone of them would want to open up that wound again.

[@andrefiliks]

I, on the other hand knew there would barely be a mention to Brazil, because they never gave it an episode, no matter how good the stories were. So it really does not surprise me

[@BigFatCock0]

They just refuse to show qualifying even in the slightest. Drivers just show up on the grid in random positions according to this show. Maybe 10 episodes isn't enough.

[@Ferrarienzo109]

Vettel getting no love in this season is absolutely heartbreaking 😭

[@jayforprez]

Typical. So dissapointed. They did the same with Kimi last time. What a shame of a show.

[@derosiflo6524]

Orrrr kimi's and seb's personal choice

[@jayforprez]

@@derosiflo6524 I don't think any driver has a say what the show produces. I'm sure many of the fake storylines wouldn't have been added on if the drivers had a choice.

[@tox1c989]

@@jayforprez i believe he asked them not to still

[@GeneralsAlert]

Another reason for me to not watch it

[@shaksfacts]

my jaw was on the floor hearing they didn't mention Seb or Kmag's pole!!! also Mick looks SO MUCH like Michael in the promo shots

[@matthewcross2991]

massive shame about a lack of coverage for kmags pole and russell’s win. brazil was a crazy race

[@GearzMonkey]

After re-watching season 4 recently, I realised why they don't put too much of a focus on the previous era drivers (Seb, K-Mag, Alonso, etc). The DTS target market isn't really hardcore F1 fans of old, but rather newer and more casual watchers. And to get the latter more into the sport, it seems more profitable to follow the storylines of young, up and coming drivers as they progress through the seasons rather than documenting the history of an older driver well past their prime. Also, the younger drivers with Lewis and Daniel being the exception, are more relatable to the new audiences of F1.

[@baddas380]

🤔 That's true, nice analysis

[@bradwhittle1662]

Good point

[@justion3376]

Good point sir 🤠

[@andrefiliks]

The thing is newcomers eventually learn of these stories, and when they look to the next drive to survive they'll expect certain shoutouts. Not to mention, it just makes the older generation of f1 fans hate it even more. Not saying they shouldn't focus on the younger drivers, but having just 1 episode focused on the carrer and retirement of a legend this season sounds reasonable

[@gmwdim]

I like how this video got more views within 50 minutes than the WTF1 channel’s videos are getting in the entire first day.

[@willlive6845]

Honestly the new WTF1 crew is fine. There is no reason to boycott them because these two aren’t there.

[@adwnpinoy]

Agreed, no need to boycott. Just stopped watching cause I was bored to tears.

[@NicotineRosberg]

@@willlive6845 it's not that serious. Nobody boycotting. Ppl just watch what they want to watch

[@sharpiefatah3657]

​@@willlive6845 nobody is Boycotting, it's not just has the same flow, also have seen they recently bringing up politics into their videos

[@jmacc4473]

Did they ever say why they left?

[@hunterreeves6525]

This season literally just needed 2-3 more episodes and it’s would be a banger. I mainly can’t believe they didn’t show anything to do with Brazil, besides the quick glimpse of russels win. But there was so much, Kmag pole, RB drama, Mercs only win. Really weird

[@LO-nu1ed]

my seb fan heart is absolutely broken to hear that him and his retirement is not featured more

[@fiarandompenaltygeneratorm5044]

Pathetic Sebboy.

[@unknownaster8681]

On one hand I love seeing daniel but on the other, being looked at more than seb during their last race???? at least daniel will most likely be back in the next couple years, seb is a literal f1 legend who retired in that race. insane.

[@okidoki878]

They make Daniel and Pierre more great coureurs in DTS then they really are. I always hated that.

[@BrunodeSouzaLino]

At least they showed Daniel more for what his actual "love of motorsport" is, which has more to do with money.

[@jay2xdam]

Christian saying to Toto what we were all thinking in that Montreal meeting and the other principles' reactions was just... *chef's kiss*

[@dillonpossinger8752]

Matt… I’m 99% sure I heard your voice on the Episode regarding the Oscar drama and I just have to say wow. Congrats my guy. I’ve been following both of you for a while now and it’s amazing that I hear your voice and it’s instantly recognizable

[@koachk5360]

Yes, heard it too. It was def. Matt.

[@Adam-tr7is]

I came to watch this episode to see what they said about it, that was totally him.

[@AmanBirdiDJ]

Drive to survive has evolved to be for the mass audience rather than formula one fans themselves. It’s “good” to us f1 fans but to others who may not watch f1 as much, it’s incredible. Either way, it brings in more fans which is great for the sport. The only thing I want in drive to survive is driver briefings, like the KZbin video f1 did a while back

[@justinburley8659]

Hasn’t it always been for mass audiences?

[@youraveragepasser-by7367]

Those briefings ended because players wanted privacy

[@Fortzon]

Evolved? Season 1 was already intended for the super casual/noobs

[@sharangdhanbhave9433]

I think the issue is not that it has evolved to be for the masses. The problem is that they skip on real storylines which everyone was following through the season and include imaginary storylines. For Eg - pitching two drivers in one episode to have similar or opposing journeys while no fan would ever put those together. Or for Eg Skipping the absolute chaos that was Sochi in 2021 and focusing on Mazepin's amazing P18.

[@thisistotallyfine]

Not a hardcore F1 fan, and yes the show is incredible. I'm not exactly here for the real storylines other than to be entertained.

[@erikalvarez4516]

I love how they made Christian Horner look like a badass calling out every other team when they accused Red Bull of breaching the budget cap and then got caught and penalized

[@tAiLoR95]

Drive to survive got me interested in F1. Now I'm obsessed with anything F1 but haven't watched DTS since season 3. 😂

[@elaldo2382]

Good: The two middle episodes about Piastri/Mclaren/Alpine/Ricciardo/Gasly. Good interviews with Verstappen, Leclerc, Sainz throughout. The Porpoising meeting. Alonso declaring himself a villain! The Haas and Tsunoda episodes. Bad: The Perez episode drilled into us that Checo had a terrible start to 2022, and was in danger of losing his drive when we all know he had a great start and was even a championship contender early on. Christian Horner felt like he was in the season more than all other TPs put together. No Vettel focus in Abu Dhabi. Overuse of Silverstone as a focus race, rather than variety.

[@mazzae6084]

I got into F1 from watching s4 and keeping up with the championshsip just before. And even watching this I kept thinking god silverstone again. I feel like they went through the like race 4 - 9 or sumn so many times for the sake of storylines

[@denduif196]

I'm so glad you guys are back on a new channel. Can't imagine a season without Matt & Tommy. Thanks for the great content!

[@tobygreppellini5960]

biggest thing they missed imo was the recovery vehicle on track in sazuka

[@chisomophiri5095]

I just love how they say no spoilers then proceed to explain what happens in half the show 😅

[@clansome]

Well it's not as if we don't know the result, just some useful pointers for those that want to watch. It's a hard pass for me, as I said elsewhere Season 1 Episode 1 was enough for me.

[@IceDejavu]

spoilers about a finished season ?

[@soundscape26]

One of the reasons why I don't bother with DTS is I already know what's going to happen. I would watch 1 episode on the whole season, but 10? Nahh...

[@LeperMessiah2]

Hahaha

[@BrunodeSouzaLino]

If you followed the whole season, nothing you'll see in DTS S5 will be brand new stuff.

[@calwells5612]

Glad to see you folks on a new platform! I'll be checking you out from time to time! Best of luck to you and your entire platform!

[@jessiebullock]

I can’t wait to watch D2S. Season one got me into watching F1 and the two of you is what kept me watching. I think I’m a legit fan now. I don’t get up at 4am to watch any other sport I enjoy. Thanks for what you do!

[@fullthrottlegaming1112]

These two have changed my love of the sport as well. Glad to hear you love the sport!

[@7BD273]

Brazil was a weekend that had everything. Russell win, Kmag pole, Ham Ver crash, Ver-Per/Oco-Alo/Lec-Sai dramas... They literally didn't have to force anything there, and they don't eat it up??? this show man

[@nielsvanheteren]

Rather have an episode talking about Yuki farting and taking shits.

[@ericrossoni]

Season 4 is what got me into F1 and apparently it was the worst season 😭🤣. I’m excited that my knowledge is so much better now and I will know what to look out for now.

[@abeb.7578]

Dude same. Now I feel like I’m “too much of a fan to enjoy”

[@NilakshMalpotra]

Season 1 is genuinely pretty amazing! it's uphill from there if you liked 4

[@KevinJDildonik]

If you liked Season 4 because cool tech, cool drivers, wanna learn more. Great. If you wanted to get into it because drama... Just go post on Twitter please. At the race in Austin some losers were carrying around a "Red Bull stole Mercedes' lunch money" pepe comic trying to start a fight. It was the saddest thing I've ever seen at a sporting event.

[@ericrossoni]

@@abeb.7578 Naw I’ll still enjoy it. I watched all the season and I loved them. I’ll just know what to look out for when they come up with bs stories like Mazpin lol. They really made me think he got a podium finish when I first watched it 😭🤣

[@ericrossoni]

@@NilakshMalpotra For sure! I’ve seen them all. Season 4 is still my fav tho but all are great.

[@KevinCarlson-wt7tx]

Best part of the season was the part where they used Matt's reaction to the Oscar's tweet.

[@brendanokeeffe2998]

Literally came here to say the same thought it was great the way they used Matt's reaction can't believe the guys don't even mention it even to take tge mick out of themselves.

[@guitarsimon1]

It's wild they didn't make a whole thing about Magnussen's pole considering Haas are basically the DTS main characters.

[@skitatic]

The joy I felt when I saw this come up in my recommendations...This must be what happy people feel like...

[@lukaslancik4889]

I am always skeptic about DTS because like you, I am the HC F1 fan, but I am going to give it a shot mostly because of your comments. 😊 For the F1 nerds, check out series called Lucky, it is a documentary about Bernie Ecclestone and how he shaped F1 to todays look. 10/10 worth it. 😁

[@tammy6015]

Shame they didn’t focus more on Vettel. Then again, it makes sense for DTS to focus more on Riccardo because he’s been at the center of it and a huge fan favorite. Vettel’s retirement was probably more painful for f1 fans who have been watching f1 before DTS.

[@JunimBC]

I like the format of full podcast on spotify and a brief talk here, keeps everything new :)

[@izakhayda628]

Yes!!! I found you guys! So happy that you made a new channel.

[@ALMX5DP]

Damn I’m not happy about Seb and KMag not being featured more!

[@OliverHewson]

No matter how much criticism DTS gets, one thing you have to give it credit for is getting new fans including me into f1. The over dramatisation in a way made it easier for new fans to get into the sport

[@adam346]

I was sort of the opposite.. I got bored during COVID and started watching endurance racing while playing video-games and especially the 24hrs of Le Mans.. eventually I kinda "realized" that F1 is still a thing and should get on board with it. I *really* dislike DTS... if you don't get the drama because there is no dramatic music or voice-overs explaining it to you... you don't get it.

[@madmanf1179]

The problem is a lot of new ‘fans’ have ruined this community

[@ryanjohnson7869]

@@madmanf1179 key word bud. A lot. Not all.

[@captainalieth]

@@madmanf1179 You say "a lot", but I honestly think they're just a small vocal minority. I hate the fake DTS drama as much as the next guy, but saying it has ruined the community is a bit unfair imo.

[@jebus456]

​@@madmanf1179 I disagree and think the opposite, the stubborn old fans I think are what is keeping F1 from evolving into something new/better.

[@djwest7082]

DTS and my friend got me into F1. At the end of the day (If you are an actual sports fan anywhere else too) I think you can watch DTS and get through the “made up” stuff. And not end up supporting a team “Just because”. I love Ferrari first but I genuinely fell in love with the grid because of what I saw. It made ME want to watch each driver on the grid, do interviews and etc and I now LOVE this sport!

[@LouSassol69er]

I see DTS as kind of like training wheels before moving on to the normal F1 coverage

[@JuFranco0]

I loved DTS S1 and 2 because it made me realize there's so much more than the same teams being on podium over and over again, how there's also a competition between midfield teams and the rules.

[@ericdulyon4601]

Just finished watching all episodes. I think y'all review is good and fair. Right on the bottom. I think there was a little bit behind scenes access but they can use a lot more. The only thing if they covered all the events that we think were important or should be covered. I think the episodes would be a lot harder to edit to really get the feeling that you would want from every story. You can only focus on so much to tell in story more completely

[@camilogonzalez7770]

I agree with Tommy, 6/10 because it missed a lot of underdog, and BIG dog retiring moments. I would watch 12 or even 15 episodes so more events could be covered. I liked there were no "invented dramas" and would have loved more behind the scenes. S1 E1, Gunther talking with Gene Haas and I went, oh I want to watch this show, yes, binged it. I want that. Yes I am a loooong time F1 fan. Congrats on your new channel, enjoying it very much. No internet reactions with this one?

[@q113]

S5:E5 35:03 matt’s in it talking about oscar! hell yeah!😂🎉

[@Siris6771]

How on earth is there not like 3 episodes, just about Brazil, that was an absolutely amazing weekend from beginning to end

[@BigFatCock0]

Because they did 3 episodes on Silverstone instead.

[@MarcosCodas]

I see DTS as successful fanfic that does wonders to get more people to watch the sport 👌🏻

[@bullrogtv6152]

As a Russell fan I'm a bit gutted they don't do much on Brazil. Love that track and last years race was brilliant.

[@Lunarr0ck]

Try being a Checo fan. I know Checo got an episode, but they made it seem like he was ass before Monaco and he was off their script in the Singapore episode..... where he dominated Ferrari.

[@suf9045]

I don't get why DTS love Danny Ric so much, I get he is more marketable than others and is quite funny/friendly but they focus on him more than they should.

[@yachthvac469]

It’s great to find you 2 again.

[@user-im6my2py3l]

Tommy, when are you going to introduce Matt as a co-founder of P1 with Matt&Tommy?

[@Staggs2200]

IMSA has a DTS style show. I honestly think it's the best show of this format. It's about the GTP class(hypercars) and it's incredible. No manufactured drama and great driver and crew interviews. I suggest everyone go watch the one about the recent 24 hours of Daytona.

[@travisumbel6877]

What is it called?

[@Staggs2200]

@@travisumbel6877 it's called Win the Weekend. It's here on KZbin on the IMSA KZbin channel

[@mrj3217]

I wish DTS would have a camera crew with every team all year long and just focus on the facts. Only include the behind the scenes story's we fans don't know about and just put the actual F1 drama on. Nascar did this year's abo on ABC I think they followed specific drivers for like 6 months day in any out and it was great .

[@OutlawedOutlier]

No feature on vettel retiring, no feature on the Brazil race as a whole with Haas pole, russell first win and max/checo dilemma??! Sounds disappointing

[@edsprinfiled4246]

They did not feature Sebastian Vettel neither do they cover Max letting down Checo in the Championship fight - which was probably the prerequisite of getting Max back into the show. Other than that, I feel like they made a lot out of the season as the it was not that spectacular to be fair. Still always super entertaining to watch, especially in 4K as the filming and quality of the show is just great.

[@matthewcross2991]

I feel that when I first watched DTS I was much more naïve about F1, I’ve watched F1 since I was very young but never been properly into it. DTS was a really good way into F1, it’s allowed me to understand the hierarchies in F1 and the role of money etc. Look, they dramatise a lot (i’ve rewatched it and season 1 is painful. especially the focus on carlos sainz in season 1 where he is ‘opposing’ alonso) its pretty cringe. DTS is ultimately a huge advert for F1. It’s difficult to watch once you know the foundations of the sport but realistically it is a great way for people to get into the sport. People argue it’s introduced new ‘toxic’ fans but i completely disagree. DTS has allowed for a more accessible understanding of the sport. It’s a strange series honestly but it allows for more people to enjoy the sport we all love. very odd but maybe for a beginner and not for an F1 nerd

[@hisham_hm]

It sounds like the DTS production crew picks some races ahead of time to take their whole crew and cover in detail (Abu Dhabi, Silverstone...), and that Brazil is never one of them. Brazil wasn't strongly featured in _any_ DTS season. It's always just a bit of broadcast footage, if anything.

[@annauppp]

I miss when you guys posted the full length podcasts on KZbin as well! I wonder if it’s an algorithm optimization problem 🙁

[@piizog]

I was just about to comment the same. It's a bit awkward to go to different platform and there's not much point to watch the abridged version.

[@alexmckenzie1063]

It will be waiting for full monitization. When they get that, I’m sure they will have them up

[@soundscape26]

I think they want people to watch their Twitch channel as well.

[@JacopoBasanisi]

My god, Baxter pulled his "if you are in pole you have the other 19 behind you" again!

[@Mercman1010]

I was laughing so hard last night when they went over the Redbull cost cap drama and Singapore race and somehow never once showed or mentioned Checo even though he won that race.

[@charamia9402]

I'm also a hardcore F1 fan, and I find D2S to be very enjoyable to watch. It's not a documentary, it doesn't provide much real knowledge or insight for the hardcore fan, but as a trip down memory lane as a filmed scrapbook of sorts I think it's excellent and it gets me hyped for the season ahead.

[@thetrooper118]

I kind of understand not showing major parts of the season like Brazil and Seb leaving cause they were talked about so much at the time they happened. It makes the show feel a little more new if its covering things that happened behind those bigger things. Instead of just covering the big things twice. Though there should be a thank you to Seb there considering his impact on the sport. Though maybe they know something we don't. 👀

[@xAgyex]

Where is Katie. Please bring her back. She really had some great perspectives and pretty darn funny.

[@dbjsdhbh]

She moved to formula E

[@GloomGaiGar]

Went back to covering FE. Check her socials.

[@soundscape26]

Well, they knew she wouldn't be featured (at least as a regular) when they named the channel this way.

[@M1ke1.2.3.4]

Matt you made it into DTS, theres a line in the Oscar episode about social media

[@Tacko14]

Btw: doing great! You still get the invites for stuff like this, very reassuring. Nice job!

[@InsertNameHereCO]

I think what Drive to Survive needs to just make every team have its own episode. Then for the last episode of the season have the whole story come together.

[@Eric-rf1is]

so, films every team on every race (otherwise you miss something) ? No possible, to many poeple, too expensive

[@InsertNameHereCO]

@Eric what, no? Lol I'm saying each episode focuses everything with that 1 team. Episode 1 Redbull. Episode 2 Merc. Episode 3 Ferrari. So on and so forth, ya see what I mean now?

[@Eric-rf1is]

@@InsertNameHereCO oh, ok. 👍👍

[@stevenwhiteside2253]

It would be good, I think, if they had just a couple of episodes that focus on people other than the drivers and TP's. What do the pit crew do on an average weekend? What training and prep do track-side stewards get and what's they're day like? Medical car. Fire service teams. Reporters and presenters behind the camera. Race directors and drivers steward. F2/3. Those parts of the team that operate a race weekend from back at the factory? Strategists etc. We all love the drivers and TP's but there's so much more to it we never see. This, I WOULD watch and re-watch again.

[@nickconnor6078]

main problem was lack of revelations... we want secretive, behind the scenes stuff and we just didn't really get enough

[@scsutton1]

I certainly lost a bit of confidence with Drive to Survive after the last season, but I have more hope for it now after listening to this.

[@Nebuloid1]

I never really liked the show, but I'm two episodes into this season and it's good ! More down to earth straight up what happened, with all the pretty footage bts etc...

[@CarimboHanky]

netflix need more hardcore F1 fans in their team to guide them and make sure they cover the important stuff... i mean every season they feature the struggles of haas and this season they didnt feature kmag pole?! wtf that was one of the most wholesome moments of the season, that and fernando qualifying P2 in canada.

[@mohammadnashitsiddiqui2168]

They just wanted reality TV & they got it

[@thefataon]

I have a feeling that they're heavily limited by the number of teams they can follow for each race. As I understand, they follow specific teams during a weekend. Can't get a lot of footage of an amazing race specific storyline like the kmag pole if they're hypothetically following McLaren the whole weekend. Best they can do is cover it with post race and in race footage, but if they want more of a story outside of the race it's gonna be a lot of film teams invested, and that's if the teams would agree having a film crew every race weekend

[@GloomGaiGar]

Tbf, who expected that pole? They only have few people doing the filming and it just so happened they weren't at Haas that day. Semi unfair criticism. You want to relive that moment, the official F1 channel has you covered.

[@georgesherman4763]

DTS likely missed out on Brazil content because they probably were focused on having teams in Abu Dhabi. There is no way you leave out Brazil if you have solid coverage and any decent interviews.

[@SwirlingSoul]

Awesome review before me seeing DTS. No spoilers, so that was great!

[@Mountain-Man-3000]

Just listened on Spotify but I'm gonna watch this anyway for the support! 👍

[@GianWarGasm]

They should make a season recap by races, like two/three races by episode

[@ccramit]

DTS is fun to watch to get extra access to the paddock, but I don't take any of it seriously. The first few seasons were so full of videos of one race, and then team radio and commentary from another race. Hell, sometimes even 2 or 3 races worth of videos and highlights all in the same clip of one race. So yeah, it's fun and entertaining because I love F1, but I don't take any of it as fact. Just something to hold me over until the season starts. You gotta remember, this isn't for the hardcore fans, we know everything that happens the second it happens and if you're like me, you probably spend a bunch of time researching incidents or storylines the moment they happen. This is more for non-fans or the average fan who probably see a few races a year but don't really get into it like the hardcore fans do. So I always go into the DTS season with that in mind and temper my expectations.

[@christinagrieser5664]

So, now I watched the fifth season i watch your opinion. I liked that season because it wasn’t as dramatic so that was good. And Max is back 🤩😍

[@sadikurrahman4833]

What a simp

[@boxalox]

Thankfully, their mic was not muted....

[@Lena-lc9ch]

Well Max said even tho he's back he still isn't that big of a fan and he said he gave them around 30 min to an hour and thats it 😂 so we knew he isn't going to be there much (but DTS sure milked him in the trailer tho lol) Also I feel like Max and his comments had a lot to do with dts downplaying with the fake drama and fake rivarly for sure. I remember Stefano organizing the meeting with him and dts to get him on and him having discusion with them and he even said now if they screw it up again he is out again. Which is fair and hope dts gets a little better (I mean they will always dramatize stuff more but hope more drivers voice their complaiments and opinions)

[@kkkkkkk140]

Not feel like max. It was because of max cos all the other drivers except for alonso are pussios

[@sigmablock]

I'm of the opinion DTS producers won't budge with their direction, because honestly, not enough of the fanbase are speaking up ala widely panned first iteration of Sonic in the Sonic the Hedgehog movie trailer. And until the entire F1 fandom collectively make noise to Stefano and DTS, we'd still be getting the same mediocre stuff season after season. I bet most don't realize or forgot how multitudes of fans speaking up can at times create change beneficially. Sonic the Hedgehog movie being one of them, other was *cough* Zack Snyder's Justice League *cough*. If you're a fan of reading this, compare the complaint noise DTS is getting vs the first Sonic the Hedgehog trailer, and it would make sense why the former hardly changed how they direct things.

[@Chris_Elliot84]

The lack of anything from Brazil was terrible. The KMag pole and the Max "I'm not letting Sergio past" stuff not being on there was bull. I felt it was almost as if Max would only appear if he was shown in a positive light

[@rolandmclovin1499]

Not featuring Vettel retirement is a great sin

[@Optimistprime.]

I'm a little over half way through this season and I'm more in line with Matt on this. I'm really enjoying the show! I like that it's more story based then drama based. I think a 7 is fair but I'll give it more of a 7.5 from what I've seen so far.

[@KisambaSamuel]

Same happened to KIMI.. his retirement didn't feature in last season

[@LathropLdST]

Very much in his style. He hated the media razzamazzazz.

[@soundscape26]

There wasn't much buzz surrounding Kimi's retirement when compared to Seb's.

[@evandrochaves9596]

Well I watched the first and second seasons while in lockdown, but only cause I was craving F1 content, but then it kinda went meh and I haven't finished season 3 yet nor season 4, and seeing how much thing they missed in this seasons and it was one of the bests, can't say i'm that looking forward to watch the rest

[@yachthvac469]

I already have spoilers, I watch last years races and listened to Matt,Tommy, and Katie.

[@douglasalves201]

Brazil don't get any kind of love from Drive to Survive despite having the best racing related action on the past 2 years

[@racewarus]

People said the netflix crew werent in brazil filming ummm..

[@henriquedaumas9934]

​@@racewarusyeah, It's actually a dice roll for Netflix, theyve explained it in past Drive to Survive seasons

[@soundscape26]

@@racewarus Brazil always delivers so choosing not going there (if it even happened) was a daft move.

[@scottwilkinson891]

They didn't include the Gasly crane incident at Suzuka!!

[@f4n295]

didn't hear the name of the goat Latifi 1 single time in the entire season

[@anubis1119]

honestly, they need to do race by race episodes, then have a season conclusion episode after Christmas, and factory visit episode before the new season.

[@MeRacko]

The moment when Horner comes to Binotto and says he is disappointed that he was talking about him in the media and Binotyo says I never mentioned your team so you must be feeling guilty it is prove that they knew that they went over the cap

[@domimanssur7308]

I thought the same exact thing! Christian 100% knew.

[@breakfree5028]

Really looking forward to binge watch it tomorrow :)

[@HoopleHeadUSA]

I like all the HD and closeup footage and BTS type stuff

[@itsLeonidas]

I am shocked but also at the same time not really shocked that they didnt mention for example: Mercedes developing really well and that turned into george’s first win, kmag’s pole at the same race. No red bull drama like the check and max at Brazil and the whole “that shows us who he really is” drama. Nothing on seb retiring, yes he does not take part but noit even some mini montage or whatever. I also feel like they painted Mclaren as the bad guy a little bid for letting Riccardo go but if you look at the standings he was demolish by Norris (7th with 122 points) to Daniel’s 11th with 37 points.

[@Nebuloid1]

Did K Mag just suggest Nico to Gunther... "What about Hulken..." Awesome.

[@AmericanF1Fan]

I can't, for the life of me figure out how DTS does not do a whole episode about Seb's retirement.

[@radamus210]

Oh man, so on the fence about this one. I watched the whole 21 season after binging all 3 DtS seasons. It was quite a bit different view as I'd seen it all (2021 F1 season) so I was able to understand why true F1 fans slam it so hard trying to bring in drama that doesn't exist. But the reality is, that's what ALL media does, bring drama into it with mountains of speculation and contrived intrigue off the smallest tweet or Insta post even down to liking a post someone else made - typical stuff. So yeah, Season 4 was a bit drab for me but certainly had my fav episodes while wondering while other segments were made when there was so much to choose from. What DTS did initially, is introduce me back into F1, As a kid watching from early 80s (it was on TV) Through Michael's reign and I faded away. The loss of Senna hit hard, like losing Dale in NASCAR - So DTS was a way of rebirth for me as a fan. It introduced the teams, the drivers, the rules, the new cars but above all, never before known safety - and the personalities. Never before in F1 did you see anything about the drivers, teams to create fans at least not in the US, unless one showed up on Carson or Letterman and the others and it would be the season Champion. We saw a lot of Michael. Everyone in the world knew the name Michael Schumacher and Lewis. That's like saying Andretti, internationally recognized. So now, DTS has put a personality on the players and that's what fans love and hate about their favorites and the ones they respect and despise. Division! OK, now we've got something! HAHA! If I had been 20 again, and a Lewis fan in Abu Dhabi 2021, I would've been rioting throwing beer - but today, not a Lewis fan, only an admirer respectful of his accomplishments, I said to my wife "Well, the race officials just brought a shitstorm down upon their heads for that one and frankly, I think they deserve whatever happens" The way that race was ended was a complete disaster ran by chickens running around with their heads cut off.... It was jaw dropping. But it's not going to change one second of my day so break out the popcorn 😀 And it's been fun ever since and I didn't miss a second of televised F1 in 2022 so I'm ready to go! And hey, People are going to watch DTS, it's in their DNA, they can't not watch it and will lie a lot of of them and say they didn't, fk that.... but they did..... yeah, no matter what you do say about it, I'm going to watch it 😂🤣😂

[@chrisdawson9312]

Im not super mad about them not featuring Vettel. I think he got so much praise, respect, and emotional goodbyes at the end of the season, that anything Netflix tried to do to match that, would have come up flat anyway.

[@folingui]

I was actually hoping for a change that they featured Hannah Schmitz, at least for a couple of minutes. Red Bull was an absolute beast in 2022 and she had a LOT to do with that in terms of strategy, and you never hear from her and I think she appears only once and way back in the background of a cameo to Christian. The same goes for Adrian Newey, nothing at all, basically. Everyone with a minimum idea of how the last championship went knows how massive roles they both played in Red Bull success. In the case of Hannah, it was also an absolutely brilliant opportunity to feature a female having an outstanding performance in a practically man-dominated sport (excluding the drivers, of course). In terms of the drama and BS, I think they were better than previous seasons, but I feel there was so much material to feature and exploit... 6 out of 10 is still a bit generous to me... I´d say a 5 is all they get.

[@ThiagoMacieira]

I felt that there were a lot of topics that were conspicuously missing, like Seb's retirement, anything about Williams or Alfa or Alpha, or even Haas in Brazil (like Hamilton in Brazil in 2021 overtaking 21 out of 20 cars over the two days).. But I'm glad that Max is back on the chair. He's too important for F1 not to be present in the series. In any case, we all know who the star of the series is: Gunther Steiner!

[@camraceranimation]

I'm still not watching DTS... maybe not ever 💀, but I'm glad to hear that it's *trying* to present a more holistic view of Formula 1. It may not be *succeeding*, but I appreciate it for trying.

[@russelldevore212]

Vettel's retirement should be more important. They did the same thing when Kimi retired. I don't recall even a single mention of that.

[@danimalplanet18]

They should expand: drive to survive really is the annual "F1 for beginners" but in deep portraits of the F1 drivers and teams are missing. On top, they clearly have deals with a couple of people to be highlighted more than others, always focusing in on Gunther Steiner, Christian Horner, Carlos Sainz and Daniel Ricciardo. Even the private conversations are scripted. The only enjoyable episode was where they followed Szafnauer, when Alpine essentially lost two out of three drivers; it at least had some 'behind closed doors' material.

[@andrewking_8]

Glad the guys don’t hate it lol. It is what it is at this point. But since it means the season is approaching it will always be welcomed by me!

[@JawbreakerSD]

I'm soooo glad they cut down on some of the BS. It was so disappointing to see season 4 drop the ball on a historically crazy season. They had all the drama they needed, but made up shit for half the season anyway. I'm hoping this new season is a trend starter and not a fluke

[@ericjohn1908]

After watching season 5, Netflix auto played season 1 and holy shit the cars have paint all over them! The proper Papaya all over the McLaren and the deep gloss red looked great! I think the new Ferrari looks amazing but the disappearing of gloss paint and full bodies of paint of shocking to the eye when watching season one of DTS.

[@edwingarcia4425]

Not having seb covered disappointed me, but also they didn't cover how max didn't want to help Sergio towards the end of the season and that drama could have been a good lead to drama for next season between them.

[@Addyboy0190]

If they had segment of the Ferrari debrief after Monaco and Silverstone, I would have renewed my Netflix subscription just to watch that, and with Seb, maybe he has a no to minimal dts showing thing like Max did in previous seasons

[@minmax1347]

Unrelated but I love how P1 has a purple theme, purple being the opposite colour to WTF1’s orange

[@francesosullivan8008]

Also (Im guessing) purple sectors = P1

[@theharesbreath]

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